The re-Imagined Village

Subject: RE: The re-Imagined Village
From: Phil Edwards
Date: 02 Jul 09 - 05:16 PM

I think the idea of leaf-fall as emblematic of death, & leaf growth of rebirth, is rather older than post-modernism - and I don't see much that's wishy-washy about it. But everyone's got gout.

Subject: RE: The re-Imagined Village
From: Will Fly
Date: 02 Jul 09 - 05:52 PM

Well folks - what exactly is a village, and what exactly is rural?

I returned from a music weekend on Sunday and dropped my fellow musician off at his house in Surrey: down a quiet country lane, into an even smaller country lane, then down a rutted track to his house in the middle of nowhere, which was surrounded by lawns and woods. Deer, badgers, streams, kingfishers, grass snakes... Right underneath a Gatwick flight path and not 10 minutes from the airport.

I then travelled on down for 30 minutes to my village: long High Street, couple of housing estates, 3 churches, 2 banks, 6 pubs, two small supermarkets, hardware shop, library, dry-cleaners/launderette, 2 bakers, greengrocers, post office, newsagent, fire station (no police station) village hall, 2 charity shops, 2 opticians, off-licence, barbers, 3 hairdressers, forge, 3 commons, 3 football pitches & one club, cricket pitch & club, used car dealers, petrol station...

Out of my house, turn right and I'm in the High Street in one minute flat. Turn left and I'm in fields for as far as the eye can see in 15 seconds flat. We call this a village - but is it your idea of a village, I wonder?

What got my goat about the Countryside Alliance's pronouncements at the time of the foxhunting debate was the simplistic and fatuous differentiation between "their" countryside" and the "townees" in the city. Black and white was all they could see - and there are immense areas of grey.

Subject: RE: The re-Imagined Village
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 02 Jul 09 - 06:09 PM

"What got my goat about the Countryside Alliance's pronouncements at the time of the foxhunting debate was the simplistic and fatuous differentiation between "their" countryside" and the "townees" in the city. Black and white was all they could see - and there are immense areas of grey."

There certainly are! I live in one of the UK's major cities and for my retirement project I'm trying to catalogue all of our local plantlife. I've found around 500 species, so far, within a half day's walk of my house. I am only 4 miles from the city centre but there is rather a lot of open space around here and mid-week I can easily reach areas of fields and hedgerows and walk for miles and hardly see a soul. Yesterday I found a species that I had been looking for growing by the side of a motorway slip-road. I suspect that many cities are, in fact, more biodiverse than some areas of 'real' countryside - particularly those that are intensively farmed.
Socially, too, the suburb that I live in has always had a village feel (we've even got a village green!) and everyone knows everyone else (with all of the advantages and disadvantages that that implies).

Subject: RE: The re-Imagined Village
From: Spleen Cringe
Date: 02 Jul 09 - 06:54 PM

I'll second that. I'm off on my bike to work and there's Shimmy botanising away... all good stuff and all part of making city life more palatable.

Suibhne, can I be the construction worker?

Subject: RE: The re-Imagined Village
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 02 Jul 09 - 07:04 PM

I dare Horehound (nee SO'P) to go down my local Green Man with it's new-age/pagan bullshit about same all over the menu without nevertheless being quite bought and corrupted by their obviously English Haggis on French..

I mean: Haggis on French bread with baked beans in a pub called the Green Man - just how more English do you want ffs!?

Whatever the provenance, it feels pretty English when I do it anyway. Though I do tend to drink cheap New World Wine.

But then they do have an excellent pub garden where everything 'feels' English, whatever....

Anyway, what about all those bloody aweful foriegnrs crapping eveything up? Can't evern get a proper British Tikka nowadays!

Subject: RE: The re-Imagined Village
From: Will Fly
Date: 03 Jul 09 - 02:14 AM

"Haggis on French" - yum! My local does excellent pub grub of the usual variety - steak & kid, fish & chips, etc. It also does a wonderful vegetarian balti - and a full tapas menu. And it does it very well. I drop in two or three times week, around 5pm, for an hour and half of ribaldry and chat in the Old Gits corner.

I run a session there once a month. We have an excellent jazz, rag and blues guitarist, a friend who plays all sorts on mandolin and guitar, a woman who plays and sings John Prine and country classics, a young couple where he plays fiddle tunes from all over Europe and backs his very talented young wife on guitar when she sings her 1930s torch songs, a chap who plays traditional English tunes on flute and whistles... and we all muck in and sing and play what we can. We're now starting to get locals coming in just to listen to us.

Yes - we'll have a clog dancer or two, and anyone else, if they want to join in - but this is our village here and now, and I wouldn't want it to be re-imagined any differently.

Subject: RE: The re-Imagined Village
From: Phil Edwards
Date: 03 Jul 09 - 03:15 AM

excellent pub grub of the usual variety - steak & kid, fish & chips, etc

After all the Wicker Man refs, I had to read that twice...

Subject: RE: The re-Imagined Village
From: Will Fly
Date: 03 Jul 09 - 03:25 AM

Ah well, we have some rough practices out here in the heart of Olde England...

Subject: RE: The re-Imagined Village
From: theleveller
Date: 03 Jul 09 - 03:41 AM

Apples! There has to be apples - proper English apples with wonderful names like Cat's Head, D'Arcy Spice, Martin's Custard (now sadly lost) Ribston Pippin (a reet Yorkshire apple and the parent of the Cox), Peasgood's Nonsuch and Tydeman's Late Orange.

You can stuff your Pink Ladies (if you'll pardon the expression) and your other tasteless imports.

(What a wonderfully diverse thread this is turning into.)

Subject: RE: The re-Imagined Village
From: mandotim
Date: 03 Jul 09 - 03:47 AM

Sounds like a great session Will; Where is it? (pm would be fine). I could fancy a visit sometime. Are players of middle eastern instruments (via Italy and the USA) welcome? (Mandolins, of course!)
Tim

Subject: RE: The re-Imagined Village
From: Will Fly
Date: 03 Jul 09 - 04:01 AM

I have large apple tree in my front garden - Crawley Beauty - an old Sussex apple. Heavenly flavour.

Subject: RE: The re-Imagined Village
From: theleveller
Date: 03 Jul 09 - 04:21 AM

A great dual pupose apple, Will, which makes it good an excellent cottage garden variety. I have a James Grieve for the same reason - sharp and good for cooking early September (before the Bramley) and sweeter and perfect for eating with cheese (Wensleydale for preference) later on.

Subject: RE: The re-Imagined Village
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 03 Jul 09 - 04:23 AM

I have a bird sown crab apple in the back garden and a wee apple in the front, gifted from one of the local orchards. Not sure of the type, but my fella says they're the best apples he's eaten.

We're well past it now, but one of my fave things to do is wander through the blossoming apple orchards under a full Moon. Those aenemic blossoms are very enchanting.
And since we're Wicker Manning it - still have fond memories of a friend of mine singing this Wiccan song one May Day in the middle of one of our blossoming apple orchards, just before dawn:

THE WITCH'S BALLAD

Oh, I have been beyond the town,
Where nightshade black and mandrake grow,
And I have heard and I have seen
What righteous folk would fear to know!

For I have heard, at still midnight,
Upon the hilltop far, forlorn,
With note that echoed through the dark,
The winding of the heathen horn.

And I have seen the fire aglow,
And glinting from the magic sword,
And with the inner eye beheld
The Horned One, the Sabbat's lord.

We drank the wine, and broke the bread,
And ate it in the Old One's name.
We linked our hands to make the ring,
And laughed and leaped the Sabbat game.

Oh, little do the townsfolk reck,
When dull they lie within their bed!
Beyond the streets, beneath the stars,
A merry round the witches tread!

And round and round the circle spun,
Until the gates swung wide ajar,
That bar the boundries of earth
From faery realms that shine afar.

Oh, I have been and I have seen
In magic worlds of Otherwhere.
For all this world may praise or blame,
For ban or blessing nought I care.

For I have been beyond the town,
Where meadowsweet and roses grow,
And there such music did I hear
As worldly-rightous never know.

Subject: RE: The re-Imagined Village
From: Will Fly
Date: 03 Jul 09 - 04:34 AM

Many years ago, the local orchard/farm shop owner held an annual "apple howling" night in the orchard. Various chants and songs were song, with processions, to promote the future harvest, appease the gods, and cider of the best sort was drunk, all by torchlight.

Sadly, all no more - orchard sold, and farm shop and barn is now a gated private house.

Subject: RE: The re-Imagined Village
From: theleveller
Date: 03 Jul 09 - 05:07 AM

Crow Sister, that is a wonderful song - I wonder what the tune was.

Will, the answer to the grubbing up of orchards is for people to plant their own apple trees - even if it's just a couple of compatible ones on dwarfing rootstock. There are suppliers around who still have many of the old varieties that just aren't commercially viable but taste amazing.

I planted a small orchard of half a dozen apples, a greengage and a damson, a quince and a couple of hazels and it is (after 7 tears) incredibly productive. Plus, of course, the blossom is as enjoyable as the fruit and it's also just a delightful place to go and sit, night and day.

Subject: RE: The re-Imagined Village
From: Will Fly
Date: 03 Jul 09 - 05:12 AM

it is (after 7 tears) incredibly productive

Your tears must have blessed it! :-)

Subject: RE: The re-Imagined Village
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 03 Jul 09 - 05:20 AM

Rightly it's actually a poem by Doreen Valiente poem, and I can't recall the tune the singer sang it to! It was quite slow and sombre. I must endevour to get the tune off her, but haven't seen her in yonks..

"Seven tears"? Sound like an orchard of fairytale apple trees...

Subject: RE: The re-Imagined Village
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 03 Jul 09 - 05:34 AM

still have fond memories of a friend of mine singing this Wiccan song one May Day in the middle of one of our blossoming apple orchards, just before dawn:

This is weirdly reminiscent of a scene in one of Phil Rickman's Merrily Watkin's novels where Merrily's pagan daughter has a run in with something weird lurking midst the apple blossoms. Not sure which one it was though...

Subject: RE: The re-Imagined Village
From: theleveller
Date: 03 Jul 09 - 05:35 AM

Seven tears! Shed by eyes for the days when they could see properly.(Actually, they never could!)

Subject: RE: The re-Imagined Village
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 03 Jul 09 - 05:45 AM

Seven Tears

Subject: RE: The re-Imagined Village
From: theleveller
Date: 03 Jul 09 - 05:51 AM

Ed, that is truly awful LOL!!!!!

BTW, when the middle backing singer did the splits it brought a tear to my eye (and probably to his).

Subject: RE: The re-Imagined Village
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 03 Jul 09 - 05:56 AM

And where there are apples, might there also be cheese? I enjoy an Orange Pippin with Cotherstone, or even Stilton, depending on my mood, though since emigrating to Lancashire I'm discovering the delights of Lancashire Cheese in all its various strengths & potencies. Bowland is a special treat I can recommend to anyone, anywhere, without reservation...

Subject: RE: The re-Imagined Village
From: Phil Edwards
Date: 03 Jul 09 - 06:00 AM

It's a very unemphatic splits - he takes his time over it and nobody else pays much attention. You could almost believe it was accidental - "hang on, lads, my legs are going! I'm going down, I'm going down! ow! give us a hand up someone!"

Subject: RE: The re-Imagined Village
From: Will Fly
Date: 03 Jul 09 - 06:01 AM

Bowland is wonderful, and even the very name is evocative, reminding me of cycling trips and picnics by the weather. A pity that so much of the Forest of Bowland is fenced off by landowners.

Anyway, SO'P - thanks for the tip - the postman has just delivered the cassette set of Michael Hordern reading Monty. And I'm in the ancient Volvo today - with its equally ancient radio/cassette player, so I'll be able to enjoy the delights along the A27...

Subject: RE: The re-Imagined Village
From: Will Fly
Date: 03 Jul 09 - 06:04 AM

"weather" should be "water" - doh!

Subject: RE: The re-Imagined Village
From: theleveller
Date: 03 Jul 09 - 06:05 AM

"Apple pie without the cheese is like a kiss without a squueze."

Lancashire is fine but (of course) the perfect cheese is a good Wensleydale, paired with a Ribston Pippin. http://www.wensleydale.co.uk/realwensleydale.html

Subject: RE: The re-Imagined Village
From: Will Fly
Date: 03 Jul 09 - 06:08 AM

Or a Sussex Duddleswell ewe's milk cheese paired with a Crawley Beauty apple (and a pint of Harveys).

Subject: RE: The re-Imagined Village
From: theleveller
Date: 03 Jul 09 - 06:10 AM

"It's a very unemphatic splits - he takes his time over it and nobody else pays much attention. You could almost believe it was accidental"

Not so much 'tears' - more 'tears', as in 'hernia'!

Subject: RE: The re-Imagined Village
From: Jack Campin
Date: 03 Jul 09 - 07:20 AM

since emigrating to Lancashire I'm discovering the delights of Lancashire Cheese in all its various strengths & potencies

For a long time I was looking for a British equivalent of the Turkish "tulum peyniri" ("bagpipe cheese"), transported and sold in a sheep or goat skin with the hair still on - it's the cheese you want for doing pide (a split roll cooked like pizza with a cheese filling). Different packaging, but Lancashire is basically the same thing.

The best cheese market I've seen anywhere was in Trabzon, hundreds of local variants, a lot of them this Lancashire type.

Subject: RE: The re-Imagined Village
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 03 Jul 09 - 07:52 AM

sold in a sheep or goat skin with the hair still on

Sounds cool but you'd never get away with it over here with our nannying H&S considerations where even farm produced cheese comes out of sterile stainless-steel antiseptically clean laboratories. So much for our re-Imagined Village!

Ever tried any Human Cheese?

Subject: RE: The re-Imagined Village
From: Jack Campin
Date: 03 Jul 09 - 08:37 AM

There may be a historical connection. The place with the highest reputation for bagpipe cheese today is Erzincan, in north-east Anatolia a bit southwest of Trabzon, but the stuff travels very well and could have originated or been taken up a few hundred miles away a few millenia ago.

In Neal Ascherson's book "Black Sea" he describes how the Romans garrisoned the Ribble Valley with troops from the northern Caucasus who spoke an Iranian language most closely related to present-day Ossetian - and as far as anybody knows, they stayed there. So the cheese recipe and the culture organisms that make it happen could have travelled with them to Lancashire, and to northern Anatolia with the Armenians. Cheese is one of the handiest provisions for an army on the move, particularly when it comes in such effective packaging.

Subject: RE: The re-Imagined Village
From: Stu
Date: 03 Jul 09 - 08:52 AM

"Ever tried any Human Cheese?"

I'm not even looking at that link. There used to be a shop called The Bell End Cheese Shop in Macclesfield.

Subject: RE: The re-Imagined Village
From: theleveller
Date: 03 Jul 09 - 09:04 AM

Well thanks for that, chaps. From now on I will never eat cheese again. Tongue sandwich anyone?

Subject: RE: The re-Imagined Village
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 03 Jul 09 - 09:10 AM

Black Sea" he describes how the Romans garrisoned the Ribble Valley with troops from the northern Caucasus who spoke an Iranian language most closely related to present-day Ossetian - and as far as anybody knows, they stayed there.

I hope WAV is reading this! So - here I am, regularly accompanying my singing of Lancastrian folk songs (if The Molecatcher qualifies as a uniquely Lancastrian Folk Song!) with my Black Sea Fiddle whilst sustaining my energies with an ancient cheese recipe deriving from those of the ancient Black Sea soldiers who were so taken by the beauteous splendours of The Ribble they hung around. You see - now it all makes perfect sense!   

There used to be a shop called The Bell End Cheese Shop in Macclesfield.

A little investigation takes us to The Macc Lads Macculture A to Z where we find the following: Bell End Cheddar - When Hectic House* closed down, and before it was knocked down, the Lads redecorated it, putting this sign on the front. Old ladies were heard moaning: "Tut! That bloody cheese shop is never bloody open!"

*A record shop, record label, management company and where the Lads lived. The building stood on Sunderland St from 1790 until its remains were demolished after a party in 1993.

Subject: RE: The re-Imagined Village
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 03 Jul 09 - 09:31 AM

"I hope WAV is reading this!" (SO) - yes: never eat cheese (although I've read it's "the perfect food" in more than one book); occasionally have an apple; advocate growing native (apart from vegetables, fruits and other consumables - to limit food miles, etc.) plants to help native fauna...

SUMMARY OF NATIVE-GARDENING TALK – 2009 THEORY-SLAM GIG

Green/eco-friendly gardening is native gardening, and vegetables, plus other consumables, should be the only exotic-flora we plant - as doing so can help limit food-miles, etc. By filling our other garden spaces with natives, we use less water and other resources, whilst aiding the native-fauna that, over the centuries, evolved with them. (Even high-nectar exotics, such as Buddleia, that are very attractive to SOME native-fauna, should be avoided, because they upset nature's/God's balance – God created evolution, too, that is.)

Our green gardens, with their vegies and natives, can be made still greener by the addition of compost heaps/bins; a wildlife pond – for native frogs, newts, and so on, rather than exotic goldfish; bee- and bird-boxes, plus carefully- selected feeders; rain- and grey-water vats; by growing everything organically - including thrifty home-propagation plus species-swapping; and by leaving some lush untidy patches, decaying branches, etc. (from here ).

Subject: RE: The re-Imagined Village
From: mandotim
Date: 03 Jul 09 - 09:51 AM

Cheese and apples....mmmmm...try Leigh Toaster, a mature Lancashire, with a Russet apple straight off the tree. Mature Lancashire is a very different cheese to the unripe, crumbly stuff you get in supermarkets.
Tim

Subject: RE: The re-Imagined Village
From: Stu
Date: 03 Jul 09 - 10:01 AM

Well found SO'P - I never knew they still merited enough interest to warrant a web site. The thing about Bell End Cheddar (funny how I got the name wrong - I must have gone past the shop hundreds of times on the bus; they always put rude signs in the upper windows of the building) was how long it was there before most people noticed what it really meant.

I used to work in the printers where the cassette covers were printed for the Macc Lads albums and Mutley McLad (he actually went to the posh boys school in the town) was a pretty astute businessman as far as I was always concerned. It was all a bit funny until some racist stuff crept in (in an effort to shock as the joke was wearing thin by this point) and I lost what little interest I had in them.

The shop is still there: I think it's a lingerie shop now.

Subject: RE: The re-Imagined Village
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 03 Jul 09 - 10:19 AM

because they upset nature's/God's balance – God created evolution, too, that is.)

Whilst I'm prepared to find a lovely old Medieval Parish Church in our re-Imagined Village with many of its original features remaining intact over the centuries (roof-bosses, bench-ends, misericords, rood screen, column capitals etc. etc.), and whilst I'd be more than happy with a Merrily Watkins type vicar (single mum with a folk-singer lover and troublesome pagan daughter) I would hope the spiritual life of our imaginary community would be founded on principles of Humanism and tolerance. Which is to say, any talk of God or any other Religious Construct would be restricted to within the church, and even then at specific times for service, communion etc. so as not to offend any non-religious who are visiting said church for more practical reasons. Anyone coming out with unmutual clap-trap along the lines of God created evolution too, that is would be forced to spend the day in the extant 16th century village stocks (by the Victorian lych-gate) and be liberally pelted with the overripe produce of the local market gardeners until he, or indeed she, saw the error of their ways.

Subject: RE: The re-Imagined Village
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 03 Jul 09 - 10:31 AM

I think our re-imagined village should definitely have a village lock-up a la the one below. My mates Dad was the last person to be banged up in it one New Years Eve. As you'll see it's in handy distance of the Church...

Village Lock-Up 1700

Subject: RE: The re-Imagined Village
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 03 Jul 09 - 10:45 AM

Can we have a dotty elderly lady herbalist who lives in a muddle of a cottage with a huge overgrown garden filled with herbs - that we can re-imagine is a 'witch?'?

Down the road from me there was a very ancient lady like this, that an Aunt visited for herbs to help heal her up after her appendix opp. Not a pentagram in sight of course so no scent of "Paganism", but after meeting her, my Aunt reckoned the lady was a 'witch' (in the most pragmatic and ancient of village traditions.)

If we're having teenage Pagans, I want a proper village herbalist/witch in my re-imagined village too...

Subject: RE: The re-Imagined Village
From: manitas_at_work
Date: 03 Jul 09 - 10:52 AM

Would you settle for a mad cat woman?

Subject: RE: The re-Imagined Village
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 03 Jul 09 - 10:58 AM

Already got my name down for that position Manitas, though I might need just a couple more decades of practice before I can rightfully claim it.

Subject: RE: The re-Imagined Village
From: theleveller
Date: 03 Jul 09 - 11:04 AM

We still burn the odd witch in our village occasionally (just for fun these days, nothing to do with religion) but we don't duck them first - it makes them too hard to light, what with the price of petrol.

"Can we have a dotty elderly lady herbalist who lives in a muddle of a cottage with a huge overgrown garden filled with herbs "

"Would you settle for a mad cat woman?"

Apart from the 'elderly' (she's 15 years younger than me), these sound very much like mresleveller who, of course, I would want living in my village.

Subject: RE: The re-Imagined Village
From: theleveller
Date: 03 Jul 09 - 11:08 AM

Oh, and I'd want all the common land that was nicked during the enclosures to become common again for the use of us commoners - for free fuel, foraging and somewhere to graze my pig.

Subject: RE: The re-Imagined Village
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 03 Jul 09 - 11:12 AM

If we're having teenage Pagans, I want a proper village herbalist/witch in my re-imagined village too...

Such a character exists in the Merrily Watkins novels, CS - a crucial influence on young Jane and Lol (Merrily's daughter & folk-singing lover respectively), she is tragically killed early on, but her spirit lingers on by way of benign inspiration & occasional ghostly presence...

Would our herbalist / witch be enterprising enough to have a shop I wonder? Perhaps in this day and age she would, maybe it's called Caridwen's Cauldron and has a small museum attached - a Museum of Folklore indeed, a random curation of witches in bottles, witch bottles, mummified cats, corn dollies, wooden effigies, and all suchlike goodly things. I suspect this witch might be a folk singer and clog dancer too, although far too canny to end up being lured into WAV's canal boat. Besides, WAV's still in the stocks being roundly pelted with rotten Mangelwurzels for his word-crimes against the general enlightenment. Actually, looking over his published utterances, methinks he'd spend a good deal of his time there...

Whatever the case, I think our local dairy shop should be called Butter and Cheese and All and reflect the diverse wonders of all such produce the country over, and beyond, especially with respect of that Turkish Bagpipe cheese Jack was on about earlier. I imagine it being run next-door-but-one to Ye re-Imagined Village Music Shoppe in which one might find (for sale) examples of every musical instrument ever played on British Soil in the last 10,000 years.

And yes, Spleen, you can be The Construction Worker, but only if Pip is the Red Indian, and CS in The Biker.

Subject: RE: The re-Imagined Village
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 03 Jul 09 - 11:14 AM

Found the most peculiar video to a folk song on YouTube yesterday.
Not exactly worthy of a thread, so I'll throw it up here, enjoy...!

False Knight on the Road

Alright then Mrs Leveller, can have the position (I'll have to stick with being the village hippy - sigh...) just so long as she comes round my shambolic house for afternoon wine, and gives me herbal gardening tips...

Subject: RE: The re-Imagined Village
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 03 Jul 09 - 11:20 AM

Village Shops??? Well now we know we're imagining stuff.

Biker/Hippy I'll take!

Ahh, there must be an old burned out church somewhere off the beaten track, which has by way of local folklore, a coven of witches who used to use it for their slightly dodgy coven meeting! You don't go there alone at night, unless under dread obligations of a DARE!

Subject: RE: The re-Imagined Village
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 03 Jul 09 - 11:25 AM

I'll be honest, Being an urbanite, myself, and having been born in a fairly large city, I can't really identify with the whole rural dream thing.

By the way, just WHERE is this shop in Nottingham that sells A&W Root Beer

Root Beer

Root Bear

"dum da da dum dum da da dum da da dum dum"

Charlie

Subject: RE: The re-Imagined Village
From: theleveller
Date: 03 Jul 09 - 11:36 AM

"so long as she comes round my shambolic house for afternoon wine, and gives me herbal gardening tips... "

Just try to keep her away!

Actually, this is all beginning to sound like the village I actually live in. All it needs is the picturesque ruin. No, not me!. Wressle castle

Subject: RE: The re-Imagined Village
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Jul 09 - 12:09 PM

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