BS: Should you alienate Fascists?

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: akenaton
Date: 14 Mar 10 - 03:40 PM

Sorry Don....I've looked and looked, but I just can't seem to pick you out :0(

Are you the one with the guitar?   :0)

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: Don Firth
Date: 14 Mar 10 - 03:22 PM

Do these look like the faces of reason?    CLICKY.

How about these lads?    CLICKY #2.

A little calm discussion with these fellows?    CLICKY #3.

Maybe here?    CLICKY #4

Some may be too young to remember, but we've had to deal with these people before.    CLICKY #5 and CLICKY #6.

And if you disagree with what they have in mind, or if you happen to be the wrong color, or if you belong to the wrong religion, or if you associate with "the wrong people," or if you are physically or mentally handicapped in some way, or you happen to have been born with the wrong genes—or if someone in the regime just doesn't happen to like you—this is what can happen to you—and yours.    CLICKY #7.

No. We've been there before. I don't think we want to go there again.

Don Firth

P. S. Don't think these neo-fascists should be taken seriously? Well, early on, Adolf Hitler wasn't taken seriously either.

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: akenaton
Date: 14 Mar 10 - 01:40 PM

The voice of reason!!........:0)

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 14 Mar 10 - 01:26 PM

""One of the easiest ways to bring about change is by dialog- if people believe they are not welcome as in they have to cross a big "folksingers against fascism" banner you will never have a chance to interact.""

Just pray you never find yourself in the position of trying to interact with these guys, especially if you are trying to persuade them to change their attitudes.

They usually interact with baseball bats, and bricks.

Why don't you wake up, or failing that shut up.

You obviously don't have a clue what you are talking about (judging by your other threads) on any subject.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: *#1 PEASANT*
Date: 14 Mar 10 - 01:14 PM

Now that is a good response stringsinger. Exactly. One of the easiest ways to bring about change is by dialog- if people believe they are not welcome as in they have to cross a big "folksingers against fascism" banner you will never have a chance to interact.
BRAVO! FRANK

Conrad

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: GUEST,stringsinger
Date: 14 Mar 10 - 12:41 PM

Don't alienate the person, alienate the ideology. Refuse to accept it.
Dialogue whenever and however possible.

Frank

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: *#1 PEASANT*
Date: 13 Mar 10 - 09:48 PM

Grosvenor Square protests- I was living in london then....so was Bill Clinton or nearby...

Just listened to the Miner's strike bbc piece a few days ago....yes lovely things unions. Totally ruined our car industry, helped to ruin the coal industry in the UK and who knows what would have remained viaable in the Uk were it not for thatcher. But there you are. Had folkies remained neutral there would always be a party in power that could support them. But not when you start putting political manefestos and hatred of others with opposing views ahead of the music.

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 08 Mar 10 - 06:24 AM

""That song would suit Peasant - he's upside down with his head in the sand and his arse in the air, with a large 'Kick Me' sign on it.""

Don't knock it Leveller.

While he's in that position, we can at least be sure through which aperture he is talking.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: theleveller
Date: 07 Mar 10 - 10:54 AM

Sorry about spelling mistakes - not got me good eyes in.

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 07 Mar 10 - 10:22 AM

I presume peasant/conrad is busily making more fake BNP supporters on Facebook using any new mudcat IDs that show up in this thread.

He keeps spinning out his net with ever more baiting threads. And we poor silly cod sods keep getting caught in it, me included.

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: theleveller
Date: 07 Mar 10 - 09:20 AM

I'll look out for that, Shimrod.

Peasant, whatever goes on in the folk scene in the USA, don't presume to tell us how to behave here in the UK. You are woefully ignorant of the history and traditions of this country, how they are reflected in our music and how they continues today. Instead of wallowing in the peurile world of fakelore that you have created, which bears more resemblance to a game of Dungeosn and Dragons than to actual reality, why not discover the long, long history of political radicalism and dissent in the UK, from The Peasants' Revolt and before, through to the massive upheaval of the English Civil War, with the radical ideas of the Levellers and Diggers, on to the Luddites, the Peterloo Massacre, the anti-fascist action of the 1930s, CND, the Grosvenor Square protests, the Miners' Strike, the Poll Tax Protests and right on up to the present day?

When you have done that (reading list available on request), then what you have to say may be taken a little more seriously. Until then get out of our faces and grow up.

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 07 Mar 10 - 08:38 AM

Should you alienate Fascists? In my opinion, most definitely! But a much, much more important question is why are Fascists dangerous? And, sadly, there appear to be many people in the world who still do not know the answer to that question. I'm sure that one could up with several answers - but the most important one is connected with the way that Fascists demonise people who are different to themselves - a tendency that has repeatedly led to some of the foulest crimes in history.

A new, and terrifying, book has recently appeared (so new that I've only had time to skim it). It's called:

'Worse Than War: Genocide, Eliminationism. and the Ongoing Assault on Humanity' by Daniel Jonah Gold hagen (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Worse-Than-War-Genocide-Eliminationism/dp/1586487698).

From what I've gathered, so far, this work suggests that, throughout history, it's been depressingly easy to persuade populations to turn on and murder their neighbours. Some democracies (sadly, not all) at least try to curb such impulses - Fascist governments, on the other hand, have shown no such restraint.

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: theleveller
Date: 07 Mar 10 - 06:32 AM

"We simply can't afford to take the entire potential audience and toss away any of it!"

Nope - only the fascist element. Just been listening to Dick Gaughan CD - that's political folk music for you, especially his version of Leon Rossellson's World Turned Upside Down. That song would suit Peasant - he's upside down with his head in the sand and his arse in the air, with a large 'Kick Me' sign on it.

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 07 Mar 10 - 02:32 AM

LadyJean

What cost to the City? For the sake of that one who turned away from the KKK, it was worth it. Good on the public for standing against a racist group. For the sake of the public who stood by and watched or learned of it second hand, it was worth it.

However, obscenity and threats were not needed. If the KKK wanted to pillory itself, then all that was needed was baskets of rotten fruit and veg for the public to express its opinion.

Reminds me of disclaimer some comedian used before his act...

The establishment has asked me to tell you, "No throwing of fruit onto the stage during the performance!" I am telling you in particular, "No throwing of canned fruit on the stage during MY performance!"

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: LadyJean
Date: 06 Mar 10 - 10:37 PM

In 1997 the city of Pittsburgh let the local Ku Klux Klan stand on the steps of the City County building and spout all manner of foulness. (I have never in my life heard quite so many obscenities.) A very large local crowd responded in kind, cursing almost as fluently, and offering to do interesting things to the guys in the hoods.
End result of this, aside from a very large bill for the city to keep the Klan idiots from being killed, was that one of the men came to understand how loathesome the Klan's philosophies were and quit.
I'm not sure what kind of point this makes, but it makes one.

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 06 Mar 10 - 12:42 PM

The problem with keeping politics off the stage is this. If we benignly smile upon those who spread hate, they gain in credence and power. It is precisely on the stage where one should take a stand so they may know, we will not let hate gain the day.

Who knew in the early days of Hitler Youth what nightmare would come to pass? Only a very few vociferous ones saw how wrong it was. They were quickly silenced. No one could have predicted the final horrendous outcome.

I am not supporting like for like behaviour. No violence required. I wouldn't sink to that level. As Christ overturned the tables of the money lenders because they fouled His Father's House, then likewise we should reject hate mongers for befouling humanity.

If it means putting it on posters and wearing tshirts at concerts and sessions, then so be it. Better they should know before they attend that their views are not supported by the event organisers, the performers and most of the audience.

I would hope that maybe they might rethink their views. But then I am a Pollyanna at heart.

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 06 Mar 10 - 12:02 PM

Conrad, if you think that I or any singer I know would waste our talents presenting the far right side of the argument, then you are sadly mistaken.

As Ewan MacColl put it, "Until not one fascist is left on this earth". Not until then would I even wipe my backside on far right points of view.

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: *#1 PEASANT*
Date: 06 Mar 10 - 11:57 AM

Yes! No one would dispute the importance of Woody Guthre in the spreading of the folk however, how many did he not reach by hanging political manifestos all over himself? Of course he lost the entire other side.

We simply can't afford to take the entire potential audience and toss away any of it!

Keep the politics in the lyrics in the music and in your heart and mind but dont give politics, religion, liberation, alternative lifeways the center stage.

I respect much more the folk singer who can sing both sides of an argument than I do the one who is biased and keeps to the one side.

Pete Seeger and Joe Hickerson come to mind as performers who often would bring both sides to a music session. My favorite lp example- the blue and the grey both sides on one record. So much richer than taking sides and using the musical stage to project your manefesto.

Conrad

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 06 Mar 10 - 11:20 AM

Peasant/Helen Butcher. Have you any idea how many people got into folk music because of Woody Guthrie? I can tell you it was far more than were ever alienated by his anti-fascism and his Communism and his belief that all human beings were created equal, irrespective of race or colour or religion. I'm talking about good solid socialists and freethinkers and anti-racists. People I would be proud to walk in the footsteps of, not the cowardly wretches and supposed "master race" members of the far right.

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 06 Mar 10 - 10:00 AM

Interesting that facebook Helen Butcher is linked to so many BNP fakebook IDs. And that Conrad is mentioned in some of the wall postings. Someone better clean up his act on the Facebook fakes. The net is closing in.

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: GUEST,Helen Butcher
Date: 06 Mar 10 - 09:20 AM

Well said *#1 PEASANT*

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: *#1 PEASANT*
Date: 06 Mar 10 - 07:29 AM

Great example- Woody gets up there with his guitar and immediately alienates people who otherwise would have joined the folk music community. When you put politics out front you keep people away. They might have been fascists but might have also been people not so interested in political manefestos.They might even like songs about politics but not the feel that they are at a political rally first and a folk concert second.

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: LadyJean
Date: 05 Mar 10 - 11:26 PM

I am surprised that no one has mentioned that Woody Guthrie decorated his guitar with the sentiment "This Machine Kills Facists".

I don't know about the BNP, but, some years ago, I got a nasty email from a Neo Nazi who was trolling a yahoo group I belonged to. I responded by threatening to shoot him. (An empty threat, I have never fired a gun and have no intention of ever doing so.) The next email he sent was very appologetic. I think Facists may like being alienated.

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 05 Mar 10 - 07:04 PM

Bothers me that at their rally they encouraged an 11 or 12 year old girl to burn a golliwog doll while chanting some rubbish about its being a murderer and rapist and such.

At least black British comediennes have a tolerant attitude to the BNP. Heard a young woman on some BEEB Radio 4 comedy say she is all for the BNP repatriation policy. She would volunteer in a minute. Go visit family for a few months paid for by the BNP and come back to UK for a while and then do it again. Free holidays!

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 05 Mar 10 - 04:01 PM

""One BNP Organiser recently said "Rape is simply sex. Women enjoy sex, so rape cannot be such a terrible physical ordeal"".

There was another sentence to that statement that beggars belief:-

"Rape is simply sex. Women enjoy sex, so rape cannot be such a terrible physical ordeal". It's no worse than force feeding a woman chocolate"

____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

""Again one does not have to agree with the politics but you should not worry about who enjoys your music.""

We don't give a shit about them enjoying any music. What we are fighting against is their use of the music and the festivals to con the more gullible into supporting their aims.

Those aims consist of a totalitarian Britain, with blacks, gays, disabled, mentally ill, and anyone else they don't like removed.

Now do you get it Dickhead?

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: *#1 PEASANT*
Date: 05 Mar 10 - 01:11 PM

I don't think anyone can steal your music! But no matter what the reason for doing it if more people play the music the greater chance the music has of survival.

Again one does not have to agree with the politics but you should not worry about who enjoys your music.

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: Amergin
Date: 05 Mar 10 - 12:08 PM

Actually, the #1 Fascist has been around for many years, always comes around to stir up shit for a while then he leaves.

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: theleveller
Date: 05 Mar 10 - 12:06 PM

Here, to enlighten your ignorance, is an excerpt from a recent email I received from the anti-fascist group, Hope Not Hate, regarding the BNP's policy towards women:

"One BNP Organiser recently said "Rape is simply sex. Women enjoy sex, so rape cannot be such a terrible physical ordeal". Another leading BNP officer said that the answer to the current recession was for women to give up work. A BNP councillor in Stoke-on-Trent admitted "We want power, we want influence and we want progress - and if there's a little bit of misery, we'll play on that". And two BNP councillors have been convicted of assaulting their partners whilst in office but the BNP refused to expel them."

Now, how could I look my wife or my daughters in the eye if I ever sat down to share my music with people like that? You may be misanthropic or short-sighted enough to do so, but not me. Not ever. Not in any circumstances. Does that make the position clear?

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: theleveller
Date: 05 Mar 10 - 11:42 AM

Peasant, you don't know what the fuck you are talking about. Come to the area where I live and see what's happening - an area that has elected one of two fascist MEP's, mainly because of apathy amongst the electorate. Discover what a bunch of criminal thugs the BNP is, how ethnic minorities are attacked and harrassed, how they want women to give up work to solve unemployment in the UK, how they beat up gays, put shit through people's letter boxes and...I could go on and on. Some of us are constant and active campaigners against the fascists so we're sure as hell not going to let them get their hands on our music. Folk music does not exist in a vacuum - it has to be a part of real life, and real life here is about beating the fascists. The fascists don't have, and never have had, any place in Britain, as Moseley found out, and their attempts to hijack British folk music are being actively repulsed by groups like Folk Against Fascism.

You are woefully ignorant about what is happening in Britain and about the British folk scene. Before sound off, find out what it is you're talking about. Until then just stop spouting such a load of shit.

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: *#1 PEASANT*
Date: 05 Mar 10 - 11:16 AM

Yes they are all biding their time lurking in the shadows waiting to pounce on you at any time, the fascists, probably in your thinking the lesbians, communists, gays who knows who else.

Get over it the world is a diverse place. I have known skinheads and went to school with a few. Almost all are utterly harmless.

Seems to me that folkies really dont want anyone but approved members of their tight knit community sharing the music. Sad.

Then in the same breath we have performers telling us that they don't make enough money and can barely survive and need grants. I guess they will continue to be in need until the community finds tolerance and lets all well behaved individuals take part.

Conrd

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: theleveller
Date: 05 Mar 10 - 11:09 AM

Yeah, me too. Backfired though, didn't it. Now, where's a fascist to alientate....

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 05 Mar 10 - 10:48 AM

I have a feeling that this peasant, is one of our erstwhile guests, now become a member, the more effectively to further the BNP message.

NO CHANCE BUDDY!

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 10:40 PM

Your "at the moment" is rather disingenuous*, isn't it, Conrad? They are as capable of biding their time as anyone else; but make no secret of their ultimate intentions ~ see Wyziwig's post 2&3 above.

* ··· unless, that is, you yourself have an 'agenda'?

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: *#1 PEASANT*
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 08:37 PM

skinheads are as entitled to sing a folk song or organize a festival as you are - be thankful that anyone is taking an interest.

yes if they arent bothering anyone at the moment no problem

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 06:06 PM

By the way Conrad, a look at one of their concerts would open your eyes to the fact that the skinhead, string vested tattooed thugs strutting about the place, are of a breed that you have never seen, and will never see at a folk club or folk festival.

What they are running is something very different.

Wake up and see what is going on around you.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 05:59 PM

""If you run a folk venue or group and put up a sign "all those holding views that we do not like stay out"""

God almighty, you are slow, aren't you.

I do not ask the political views of attenders of any venue I run, and as long as they don't start trouble, all are welcome.

What is being talked about here is the venues they are running, which would be dangerous places for non white music fans.

We are talking about the St Georges day festivals which they are promoting to forward their racist message of a "White Britain".

What we are talking about is their production company "Great White Records", which is stealing copyright material, and recording it to give the impression that they are supported by talented and well respected Folk Singers.

You would like to be tolerant, and accept that?

Go Ahead! But first take a look at their website, and get some vestige of an idea of what you are talking about.

Then have a look at some of the links in other Mudcat threads, dealing with their criminal records, their attitude to black and Asian Brits, and pay particular attention to the views of one of their senior figures, on the subject of rape.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: *#1 PEASANT*
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 12:18 PM

No but I have been at folk concerts and events where before during and at the end of sets performers and or organizers spew political rhetoric which no one came to hear and when that happens people who have opposing personal views that they keep to themselves dont want to be there and probably won't come back and probably will influence others to stay away.

I would not mind at all if the politics was in the music. I just dont need the mini manefestos that come into introductions and closing remarks.

We respect the views of organizers and performers but making their events and performers into what are perceived to be political rallys is not helpful or appropriate. They can do that at other types of events.

Conrad

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: frogprince
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 11:59 AM

Peasant, do you really imagine a scenerio, either in the U.K. or the U.S., in which anyone stands at the door of a concert, or sing-around or open mike session, stops each person at the door, and asks them to spell out their political views? Nobody can read minds. If the person at the door identifies a fascist, it is because the individual has become known for visibly promoting fascism. Do you, honest to God, expect someone in charge to say "come on in; spew lyrics of venemous hatred and racism; use the opportunity to promote the idea that your values are in line with the finest deep traditions of our people. After you perform, we'll have a polite discussion on the esthetics of your melodies, and whether your lines scan."

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: theleveller
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 11:03 AM

"It just means that you put those views away when meeting socially focusing on a common interest. Just take your politics out of the folk forum."

Sorry, can't get the Folk Against Fascism stickers off my guitar cases.

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: *#1 PEASANT*
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 10:40 AM

If you run a folk venue or group and put up a sign "all those holding views that we do not like stay out"

You are simply being intolerant. You hang that sign out by talking about politics in the group or event and by broadcasting a commonly held political position.

You could do the same against alternative lifestyles, religions, economic classes. It would be the same thing. The end result would be that it would limit access to and support for the music and would make survival of the music more difficult in the long run.

When you let an organization or the folk keep others out you are unnecessarirly making the survival of the music more difficult.

If those you let in keep their hands and political views to themselves you can have a great group of people singing the songs and keeping traditions alive. Participation together can also ease tensions and even make conversion possible. Keeping people appart just because they do something else in other aspects of their lives and are able to keep those aspects of their lives out of the event or group activity is wrong.

This does not mean that one has to give up one's hatred of a political view, religious view, or lifeway. It just means that you put those views away when meeting socially focusing on a common interest. Just take your politics out of the folk forum. It will better if you do so and that includes projecting your intolerance of well behaved peaceful people before they have a chance to come in.

If a gathering of folkies projects any sort of political aura that is as big or bigger than the aura of the music they discourage others and keep the traditions from being preserved and expanded.

Conrad

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 10:37 AM

Anyone who remains unconvinced of what can happen when fascism is let loose should tune into BBC Radio 4 this coming Saturday night. The one to listen out for is the Archive on Four slot at 20-00 hours. This week's programme is called Hate Against Hope and it's about the racist attacks which far right groups made against London immigrants in the 19670s/80s.

Here's the programme blurb.

"Alan Dein hears how London's East End Bangladeshi community forged new alliances to oppose racism in the 1970s and 80s.

"The East End had been a centre of racial struggle and opposition since the 1930s, when Oswald Mosely's Blackshirts had paraded through the then largely Jewish streets around Brick Lane. By the 1970s a new wave of predominantly Bangladeshi immigrants faced racism again from the National Front and its sympathisers.

"As provocation and attacks increased, this community made new alliances with local anti-fascist activists, culminating in large-scale movements such as Rock Against Racism. Once again Brick Lane and the streets beyond became a battleground."

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 10:29 AM

Don, absolutely. These people are not nice,they do not play by the normal rules of civilised behaviour, and they are not interested in polite intelligent discourse on matters political. In fact they are hell bent on turning this country into a totalitarian white dictatorship, a dictatorship which would eventually crush every last one of us. They do not deserve to be shown the degree of courtesy, tolerance and free speech, which I would normally extend to people whose views do not accord with mine.

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 09:54 AM

""But not if the poor fascist is just sitting there not bothering anyone just enjoying and sharing music. Out doing the fascists at their game you are.""

Let's see if it is possible to drive an idea into that lump of bone between your ears, preferrably without having to apply it with a shotgun.

The BNP are trying to take over the music, morris and country dance, and the significant dates such as St George's day, in an attempt to persuade the public that they are an acceptable political alternative for voters who want a return to "British Values".

This image they are trying to project could not be further from their real agenda, which is the establishment of a Britain which will be more racist than South Africa in the apartheid days.

In short, a Nazi regime.

Your ideals of tolerance play perfectly into that agenda.

You're not by any chance a descendant of Neville Chamberlain?.......

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: mousethief
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 10:21 PM

Sorry, but me shutting down fascists and fascists killing Jews just don't compare. I'm not at their own game. Bzzzzt. Game over. You lose.

O..O
=o=

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: Amergin
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 10:03 PM

"Out doing the fascists at their game you are."

Wow....never thought Yoda was a fascist sympathiser....

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 09:54 PM

I meant 'obsessive agendas', of course, Sorry.

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 09:53 PM

not if the poor fascist is just sitting there not bothering anyone just enjoying and sharing music.

They tend not to, tho: the extremes of politics [fascist/communist] (& for that matter of religion [XtnEvangelist/Islamist]) have always been among those who can never relax & "just" anything; but their onsessive agendas, and how they can make whatever they are doing relate to it, is ever-present in their minds.

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: *#1 PEASANT*
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 09:43 PM

But not if the poor fascist is just sitting there not bothering anyone just enjoying and sharing music. Out doing the fascists at their game you are.

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: mousethief
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 09:07 PM

Some things are more important than music.

O..O
=o=

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: *#1 PEASANT*
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 08:19 PM

Thanks Ebbie.

There are a good many here that seem to wish to outdo the Fascists.

Tolerance does not mean that you accept anyone's political views but rather that you concentrate on the music which should have nothing to do with politics.