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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 01 May 10 - 10:32 PM Found a picture of Bobert the other day. Drool, baby, drool! Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: Bobert Date: 01 May 10 - 10:00 PM Amos, Amos, Amos.... Are you trying to say that we oughtta be pluggin' that well with a tater??? Was that Plan B for PB??? Well, sheet fire, I think it is brillent... I mean. like Menza stuff... Why didn't I think of it??? But nevermind all that stuff... According to Q this entire thing is all on Obama... Maybe they oughtta have him suit up and do the dive with the tater??? BTW, don't taters float??? I was kinda thinkin' somethin' that don't float... Remember back in the 60's an' folks would put cow manure in their radiators to stop leaks??? Maybe whale manure into the well??? I donno... I ain't really a manureologist... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 01 May 10 - 09:26 PM Interestng map from U. S. Department of the Interior, MMS (Minerals Managamant Service) showing Gulf of Mexico Lease Map. All of these offshore lease and drilling sites were authorized before the recent call to 'drill, baby, drill'. Green = active lease. http://www.gomr.mms.gov/homepg/lsesale/mau_gom_pa.pdf ["Drill, baby, drill," was said by Michael Steele during the 2008 Republican National Convention in Minnesota (of course it follows from "Burn, baby, burn"). Palin was quoting him.] |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: Amos Date: 01 May 10 - 08:08 PM Spudding is initiating drilling operations, like the first cut of the peeler into a dirty brown Idaho |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: Bobert Date: 01 May 10 - 07:54 PM Well, Joe, I hate to say it but while "Spill, Baby, Spill" might have been in someone elses head at the same time it was in my head before I even knew that anyone else had come up with it... Might of fact, I didn't realize that anyone, other than me, had come up with it until reading yer post... But it ain't rocket surgery... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: open mike Date: 01 May 10 - 07:48 PM what does it mean to "spud" a well? is this like stiking a potatoe over the pipe to stop it? like you do to an exhaust pipe... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: Amos Date: 01 May 10 - 07:04 PM Sorry, Joe, he did. It may hav been also coined by others, though. As for remedies, what happens if they jam an explosive down into the sea floor and light it off? A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: Joe Offer Date: 01 May 10 - 06:18 PM Apparently, the "Spill, Baby, Spill" phrase has caught on - (click). Please, somebody tell me that Bobert isn't the one who invented the phrase.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 01 May 10 - 05:26 PM The blowout in the Pemex well. "The blowout preventers were closed on the pipe but could not cut the thicker drill collars, allowing oil and gas to flow to the surface, where it ignited and engulfed the Sedco rig in flames. The rig collapsed and sank onto the wellhead area on the seabed, littering the seabed with large debris such as the rig's derrick and 3000m of pipe." ....... "Two relief wells were drilled to relieve pressure and the well was eventually killed nine months later." This was the biggest spill so far, .... 3.5 million bbls oil released. Extensive damage on the Texas coast. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 01 May 10 - 05:14 PM It didn't work, gnu. On paper it should do as you suggest, but it failed. Looks like it won't be fully controlled until a new rig drills an offset. Hence the three month estimate. Depth 18000 feet and cased and cemented (fully?) when the blowout occurred, the subsequent fire finished the damage and sunk the rig. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 01 May 10 - 05:04 PM The find at the Macondo oil well is est. at 100 million bbls. The well was spudded Oct. 2009. The original plan called for the well to be spudded in April 2009. "Mar. 2009- BP submitted an Initial Exploration Plan to MMS for its Macondo prospect in the GOM to drill and temporarily abandon two exploration wells (A & B). The company plans to use a semisubmersible, possibly Transocean's Marianas, to spud the wells in April 2009." "....the prospect, which was acquired at the MMS Lease Sale # 206 in March 2008." From "SUBSEAIQ, Offshore Field Development. www.subseaalq.com Anadarko owns a 25% share of the well, another company owns 10%; BP at 65%; BP is operator. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: gnu Date: 01 May 10 - 04:56 PM But, shouldn`t the shear ram be held back by the primary and emergency power supply on a delayed basis, which would mean that it should work after both power supplies were cut... unless the structural failure... nevermind... we shall see, hopefully. Oh, BTW, I am assuming that the shear ram was a double circuit failure device, also being executable by an open circuit override. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 01 May 10 - 04:42 PM Amos, my ignorance of the equipment is showing. The equipment described by the Rice professor is not the type of blowout preventer used in the Gulf. I have been trying to find his comments but no luck so far. The shear ram failed to sever the pipe to control the flow. The head of the Well Control School in Houston said the shear ram is the last resort. If it had worked to prevent the pressure surge, "they wouldn't have lost all those people and the rig." "If the blowout preventer fails to control the pressure shooting up from the well, the hydraulically powered shear ram is supposed to sever the pipe and close it off to protect the rig and work crews from the flow of explosive oil and gas, Bohuslavicky said." The slick is twice the size of Maryland. A professor of Mechanical Engineering at Rice said the pressure surge that triggered the fire and sinking of the rig platform may have damaged the valves near the sea floor so that they can't be completely shut. Still looking for the comments about better equipment used off Norway and Brazil. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: pdq Date: 01 May 10 - 04:14 PM Nah, Rigs...you aren't suggesting that this oil rig disaster was "accidentally on purpose" do you? Another one in the same are goes over today. Nah, just a "quinky dinky". Must be. Like that South Korean ship that sank a week or so back, killing a hundred people or more. Must have been pilot error or simpt'n. That talk about a torpedo must be scare tactics. Problem is, you prob'ly listen to Fox News. That's yer probl'm. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: Riginslinger Date: 01 May 10 - 03:26 PM Or they were sabotaged. Remeber, this whole thing started with an explosion. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: Amos Date: 01 May 10 - 02:30 PM The blowout preventers --if we are talking about the same things--were on the seafloor around the well casing. They failed to actuate, even when triggered by the redundant backup switching system. Yet they had been tested only ten days previously. This indicated the accident (whatever it was) damaged them so they couldn't operate. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 01 May 10 - 02:05 PM Last night a professor from Rice University made some damning accusations concerning the spill, British Petroleum and the U. S. regulatory mechanisms, and why the best in well control equipment (blowout preventers, etc. were not on the platform. (Aired on CNN last night but not repeated in later telecasts). The offshore wells in Norway and Brazilian waters have the 'state-of-the-art equipment. The professor said the oil companies interested in Gulf offshore prospects said that the preventer equipment was too expensive and not necessary. The government regulators went along with their opinion. Public safety and the public's livehood should be the primary concern of government regulators- whether the products are oil and other natural resources, food products or drugs prescribed for ills. Safety should not be a matter of politics left or right- This should be a primary concern of all governments and their regulatory divisions. When the well failed and the platform caught fire, it was already too late to apply immediate measures; all corrective action would depend on getting the proper equipment and personnel to the site- this would take a few days and an additional drilling rig is still on the way. The Professor from Rice also faulted British Petroleum's record, citing another major spill, the Texas deadly refinery fire, several violations of safety regulations and the current disaster, which could make the Valdez spill look like an oil stain on the garage floor. BP's assets in the United States should be frozen- the possible disaster could put many thousands out of work for several years. And Sorcha, it will take up to 50 years to make alternative energy sources an important part of energy generation. Mousethief has judged it correctly. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: open mike Date: 01 May 10 - 11:26 AM i wish they could find a way to capture the oil somehow and separate if from sea water and refine it. burning it will cause other disasters meanwhile,not seeing this thread i started another when i heard that: Even as the oil slick from the ruined Deepwater Horizon creeps onto the Lousiana shoreline, Reuters is reporting that another offshore drilling rig has overturned- this time among the inland waters near Morgan City, LA. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: Riginslinger Date: 01 May 10 - 11:15 AM The news media is calling it Obama's Katrina. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: Amos Date: 01 May 10 - 10:53 AM They are still trying to debug their emergency shot-off system which is supposed to be able to clamp down in several different ways, and which failed massively after the accident. Presumably it was structurally damaged. They have RC subs dow there trying to skunk it into operation since it would be the must direct way of shutting off the flow. No easy task. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: Charley Noble Date: 01 May 10 - 10:46 AM Certainly looks like a major environmental mess to me. I remember quite well the BP long term ad campaign which touted the safely of their deep-sea drilling technology, their redundant back-up systems that could safely deal with any imaginable emergency. The ad campaign made a significant impression on the general public and on public policy including the Obama Administration. All the back-up systems have failed in this instance, the remote underseas cut-off valves and all the rest. And we're left with a continuing environmental and economic disaster of unprecedented dimensions. Palin is not the issue here but it would be gracious if she expressed some concern. Charley Noble |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: GUEST,number 6 Date: 01 May 10 - 10:35 AM well Bobert since they aren't in power I guess we can sit back and relax 'cause everything is ok in the Gulf right now. biLL |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: Bobert Date: 01 May 10 - 07:14 AM No, Plain and McCain don't hold the seat of power and looking at what's going on in the Gulf, that a good thing... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: mousethief Date: 01 May 10 - 01:30 AM Nothing carries as much energy in as small a space as coal or petroleum-based fuels. Well, and plutonium. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: Sorcha Date: 01 May 10 - 01:10 AM Alex, you are assuming we even HAVE great grandchildren. (smile....) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: mousethief Date: 01 May 10 - 12:44 AM It can and is. Building the infrastructure for wind, solar, tide, etc. power production is a massive x massive x massive undertaking. Let alone the power grid able to carry that much more energy. But electric energy for portable devices (cars, planes, trains, boats, Rush Limbaugh's mouth) is no small problem. Current battery technology is woefully insufficient. Nothing carries as much energy in as small a space as coal or petroleum-based fuels. And battery production at this point is very dirty. What is needed is a paradigm shift in energy storage. None seems on the horizon. Our great-grandchildren, after we run out of petroleum, will marvel at pictures of airplanes and wonder how they ever were able to fly through the sky, and not believe it really happened. Like people are starting to doubt the moon landing. Only with better cause. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: Sorcha Date: 01 May 10 - 12:37 AM Can I just insert 'alternate energy' here? REDESIGN one heck of a lot of things to it. Solar, wind, water.....STOP being so damn dependant on carbon sources!!! It can't be that difficult....can it? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: GUEST,number 6 Date: 01 May 10 - 12:09 AM My son spent well of the year 2007 down in the gulf off of Louisiana working as a commercial diver. Mainly fixing submerged pipelines. The quality of safety standards were so low he would never work down there again even for the high amount of $dollars$ he was paid. He found it appalling. He's not surprised about this latest tragic incident. These days he would rather dive for sea urchins for university research, find the odd propeller, or untangle fishermen's nets here in the Bay of Fundy for much, much less pay. biLL |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 30 Apr 10 - 11:52 PM Learning a bit more. The leases were let in 1999 or slightly earlier. BP is producing 400,000 bbl/day from their leases in the Gulf. The Kaskida field has approx. 3 billion bbl reserve; the Tiber discovery is in a field thought to be much larger by some Gulf oil men. The Thunder Horse field (1999) was the first in the area by British Petroleum, the platform is producing 300,000 bbl/day, but over that ten-year period, there have been many engineering problems. The Gulf of Mexico accounts for one fourth of U. S. oil production. Working mostly in Canada, and looking at the Alberta-Saskatchewan oil sands which alone can supply North American needs for 50 years, I haven't paid much attention to what has been going on in the offshore. I think Canada made a mistake letting China buy into the oil sands. Drilling a 35,000 foot hole (sealevel to base) is difficult on land, let alone offshore where part of the pipe is in storm-tossed waters. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 30 Apr 10 - 11:11 PM Two Transocean Drilling Rigs (one in place and ready to start) will be used to control the 'leak'- which is a giant prospect. The leases were obtained some time ago and discovery was announced in September, so this play has been underway for about a year, in U. S. controlled territory! (See NY Times announcement of the discovery, Sept. 3, 2009, "BP finds giant oil field ....") This was back in Bush time; Obama's go-ahead was for the east coast-Florida area. (I want to find out more about these leases- they seemingly were granted well before most of us knew about it- ) There is sufficient discovered reserve, without the Gulf-Atlantic U. S. area, to last 30-50 years; in other words until alternate energy sources can be developed, and hydrocarbons reserved for the plastics industries. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: GUEST,number 6 Date: 30 Apr 10 - 10:06 PM Ok ... get your point but why waste time, energy, and scoffs at Palin ... she is a non player ... a has been. the Tea baggers and Palin don't hold the seat of power ... they are not the issue. why not direct your energy, frustration in the democratic process and and target Obama and the current administration ... they promised change ... and that meant change from the old guard in direction of energy policies, change in direction concerning the environment. What's happened ... nothing really. It's giving in to the old oil corporations .. so much so they gamble on the fragile ecosystems ... all in the name of corporate $money$ that's the issue same old, same old ... everyone in washington is shouting "$drill$, baby $drill$" ... even as the at oil spill sludge moves closer and closer to shore. that's the issue biLL |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: mousethief Date: 30 Apr 10 - 09:40 PM Oops, baby, oops. Obama should use this to do a volte face on drilling. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: Bobert Date: 30 Apr 10 - 09:37 PM Agreed, he is guilty... That is not the issue here... What is the issue is that so much of the '08 campaign by the McCain/Palin side was on just this issue... I mean, take away Joe the Plumber, and this was purdy much the McCain/Palin strategy... Where are the Tea Baggers now who were calling for Obama to be killed with one breath while screaming "Drill, Baby, Drill" with the next... That is the issue... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: GUEST,number 6 Date: 30 Apr 10 - 08:57 PM so who gives a rat's ass if right wing Tea baggers are now silent. The left wing tree huggers are royally pissed off at the current administration for endorsing the off shore drilling and rightfully so ... even if Obama "reluctantly offered it as a possibility to move the Repubs toward a rwal energy policy" ... that doesn't make him 'not guilty' .. as he went ahead and endorsed it .... and it looks like he isn't going to back off. off shore drilling to continue biLL |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: Bobert Date: 30 Apr 10 - 08:06 PM Thank you, SRS... That was my original intent here in starting this thread... Here we had all these eager little Tea Baggers attending the Palin rallies screaming "Drill, Baby, Drill" as if it was the Holy Grail/paneca for all that ails America??? I mean, how friggin' stupid... No, Obama didn't run on drilling and has only somewhat reluctantly offered it as a possibility to move the Repubs toward a rwal energy policy... But Obama knows very well that all of the off shore oil will only meet about 2% of the demand... Yet, because we have all these Tea Baggers screaming "Drill, Baby, Drill" and we have the Dick Cheney's of the world screaming the same thing (but for different reasons), hey, part of what Obama promised to do in tamping down the screamers and raw partisanship he has found himself in a bad way... Best of intentions... Lousy timing... Face it, Obama oughtta just tell the right wing to go fuck themsleves and quit trying to be a uniter prersident... Uniter presidents are no longer possible... The right wing media giants, including Rupert Mrurdock, Glen Beck, Rush Limbaugh are going to see to it that there will be no uniter presdients... So now Obama is stuck... But at least his administartion has been on top of the spill since Day One but now, I guess, the Tea Baggers will blame Obama for the oil spill??? B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: Stilly River Sage Date: 30 Apr 10 - 07:46 PM Oil Spill Silences Once-Raucious 'Drill, Baby, Drill' Camp "Drill, baby, drill" is now, "Hush, baby, hush." The Republican battle cry that crystallized the growing popularity of offshore drilling has dropped from view since the Deepwater Horizon rig sank last week and the well it drilled started shooting crude oil into the Gulf of Mexico. As Democratic opponents of the oil industry stepped up their attacks and demands for a sharp turn away from drilling, Republican leaders in Congress have slipped out of rapid-response mode and are generally holding their tongues. Ha! Follow the link to read the rest at the New York Times. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: DougR Date: 30 Apr 10 - 07:23 PM No, Bobert, it's Bush's fault. DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: GUEST,number 6 Date: 30 Apr 10 - 07:05 PM mousethief ... never said he did cause the oil spill, and as far as I know Palin didn't cause it either. biLL ;) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: mousethief Date: 30 Apr 10 - 05:51 PM Number6: No he didn't ... his campaign was on 'change' this current eco disaster spill is just prove that it is the "same old, same old" ... nothing has changed. Huh? Obama didn't cause the oil spill. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: gnu Date: 30 Apr 10 - 04:56 PM It's all about risk. Now, what is the oil company gonna do to mitigate, resolve and reverse the damage? If they cannot clean up the mess, will that impact the policies? Quite a poser, eh? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: GUEST,number 6 Date: 30 Apr 10 - 08:53 AM .. what get's me about this thread is everyone pointing fingers at Palin, she's out of the game plan .... while Obama endorsed off shore drilling, he holds the current seat of power. now continue with the thread kids ... keep pointing fingers at Palin biLL |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: GUEST,number 6 Date: 30 Apr 10 - 08:45 AM "He didn't build his entire campaign around "Drill, Baby, drill"... " No he didn't ... his campaign was on 'change' this current eco disaster spill is just prove that it is the "same old, same old" ... nothing has changed. biLL |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: VirginiaTam Date: 30 Apr 10 - 08:35 AM I am getting flashbacks of Pelican Brief, now. Wonder if the oil reserves are nearing end and owners are thinking to buy up and then develop the ruined nature preserve. conspiracy theorist in da house |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: Bobert Date: 30 Apr 10 - 07:48 AM Well, seems as if the oil has now reached the Mississippi and Lousinana coats... This is going to make the Valdez look like a walk in the park... I mean, no end in sight to capping the well... I'm a tad disappointed that the Obama administartion has bought the crap that BP's CEO has telling folks on the TV news about severity of this disaster... I'm not sure that had the feds jumped on this a little earlier that it would have made any difference but I would like to have seen a little more effort on the administration's part... The problem is that with the anti-government culture that the Tea Party and Repubs have nurtured it's hard for any president to be too proactive on any front... That's not making excuses but just observations... One thing that I believe the nation will clearly understand from this disaster as it continues to wreck havockl on the Gulf Coast is that "Drill, Baby, Drill" as an answer to teh country's energy needs is a purdy stupid and ill-thought-out answer... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: mousethief Date: 30 Apr 10 - 12:12 AM Some people have no brain. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: Riginslinger Date: 30 Apr 10 - 12:06 AM Some people have no vision! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: GUEST,TIA Date: 29 Apr 10 - 10:58 PM Oh, I must have been time travelling. I forgot that oil drilling in the gulf of mexico started under the obama administration. More stupid asshat twisting above. nobody said that katrina was bush's FAULT (learned the caps from bruce btw). but his (bush's) sorry-ass response WAS his fault. is obama's response sorry-ass? now THAT is the question. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: Riginslinger Date: 29 Apr 10 - 09:36 PM I'll bet Obama's sorry he signed on for this... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: Bobert Date: 29 Apr 10 - 09:14 PM Yeah, Bush was blamed for huffing and puffing after 9/11 how his team was ready to respond to the next disaster... He even touted his National Response Plan (see KatrinaGate thread) as the Bush team's readiness plan... Katrina called Bush's bluff... According to the evening news the leakage is more like 4000-5000 gallons a day and the spill is ony 3 miles off the Lousiana coast line... BP says it will drill a second well in attempts to shut off the current well... That could take months according to the new this evening... Tjis is a terrible disaster... Is it really worth the 6 days of supply that we get from it??? I mean, if everyone would just cut out one trip a week that would go a long way toward not hagving to take these chances... How much is this going to cost US in terms of lost revenues from the fishermen not being able to fish??? I mean, I don't think we've begun to see just what effects this is going to have on US overall... One thing fir sure is that if you like shrimp, the price is going to go up real fast so go out and stock up... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spill, Baby, Spill... (Palin & oil spills) From: gnu Date: 29 Apr 10 - 05:39 PM My bad. Messed up. Sorry. |
