BS: Is it time for a gay televangelist?

Subject: BS: Is it time for a gay televangelist?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Jun 10 - 01:07 PM

Well, is it? Whaddya think? We haven't had a good fight about this yet on Mudcat, so why not?

Rave on.

Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay televangelist?
From: Ebbie
Date: 09 Jun 10 - 01:14 PM

You are becoming too predictable, Little Hawk. I knew this thread was yours.

Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay televangelist?
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 09 Jun 10 - 01:21 PM

Televangaylist??? Nooooo!

Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay televangelist?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Jun 10 - 01:21 PM

Naturally. ;-D I enjoy being predictable in that fashion.

Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay televangelist?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Jun 10 - 01:26 PM

That was a stroke of BRILLIANCE, Georgiansilver! Wow.

His show could even be called "The Talkin' TelevanGAYlist". Holy crap. What a great marketing idea.

This could be big. I mean Really big. Do it out of San Francisco. We have just got to find the right born-again person in the gay community to do it and get this show on the road!

Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay televangelist?
From: katlaughing
Date: 09 Jun 10 - 01:26 PM

You will find the answer by watching the movie "Big Gay Musical." Can't recommend it enough...excellent and fun songs, besides social commentary!

Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay televangelist?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Jun 10 - 01:35 PM

No kidding, eh, Kat? ;-) Seriously, I am quite sure there are a few born-again gays. There have to be some out there. With human beings, anything is possible. There is therefore no reason why there shouldn't be a TV evangelist who is openly gay and proud of it. The marketing and sponsoring possibilities for such a show are incredible, and it would provide a spectacular counterpoint to the usual thing.

Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay televangelist?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 09 Jun 10 - 01:35 PM

Little Hawk: Naturally. ;-D I enjoy being predictable in that fashion.'

Not only that, she is clairvoyant, as well!!..even knows my name!(rolls eyes).

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay televangelist?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Jun 10 - 01:38 PM

Yo Ho, GfS! ;-) I was wondering when you'd drop in.

Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay televangelist?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 09 Jun 10 - 01:38 PM

LH, how you would find one is not to look among prominent TV evangeloids for the gay subset, but among gay Christians for the evangelistic subset.

Did you look?

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay televangelist?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Jun 10 - 01:48 PM

Yes, Susan, that would definitely be the way to do it. What I think I'll do is write up a business plan for launching such a show, send Chongo out to canvas the gay community in Frisco for a potential pastor with real gay charisma to star on it, then contact my numerous friends in Hollywood (wink!), and see about putting this idea in front of a few different hotshot television producers. By golly, this could be the big coup that has thus far eluded me. I'll be able to buy a place like Neverland when this one hits the fan! I'll be able to invite people like William Shatner, Cher, and Winona Ryder over for drinks any time I want to! I will appear on the covers of tacky gossip magazines at grocery checkouts...

Hmmm.

Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay televangelist?
From: gnu
Date: 09 Jun 10 - 01:49 PM

What would you put in his plates?

Wait for it...

Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay televangelist?
From: Rapparee
Date: 09 Jun 10 - 04:01 PM

Ted Haggard.

Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay televangelist?
From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 09 Jun 10 - 04:35 PM

The last I heard, Ted Haggard was cured.

Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay televangelist?
From: gnu
Date: 09 Jun 10 - 05:07 PM

He certainly got smoked.

Ditto...

Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay televangelist?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 09 Jun 10 - 05:10 PM

Gay televangelist? Sounds like a surfeit of self-loathing...

Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay televangelist?
From: GUEST,Rev. Goose 'Goof' Gander (retired)
Date: 09 Jun 10 - 06:06 PM

I'm pretty sure we've had a few.

There is, indeed, nothing new under the sun.

Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay televangelist?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 09 Jun 10 - 06:14 PM

Oh, I'd agree that we've had a few. Maybe it would be more appropriate to ask if it is time for an "out-of-the-closet gay televangelist."
-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay televangelist?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Jun 10 - 06:34 PM

Yes, well, that was the whole idea, Joe. I'm talkin' about an upfront and OFFICIALLY gay televangelist who preaches the gospel in tandem with promoting gay rights. I'm sure it can be done. People have proven quite adept at interpreting the Bible to suit their own agenda, whatever that may be.

Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay televangelist?
From: Ebbie
Date: 09 Jun 10 - 08:04 PM

Lonnie Frisbee, 1970s–1980s
Lonnie Frisbee was an American closeted gay Pentecostal evangelist and self-described "seeing prophet" in the late 1960s and 1970s who despite his "hippie" appearance had notable success as a minister and evangelist. Frisbee was a key figure in the Jesus Movement and was involved in the rise of two worldwide denominations (Calvary Chapel and the Vineyard Movement). Both churches later disowned him because of his active homosexuality, removing him first from leadership positions, then ultimately firing him. He eventually died from AIDS in 1993.

Billy James Hargis, early 1970s
Hargis was a prolific author and radio evangelist. Hargis formed American Christian College in 1971 in order to teach fundamentalist Christian principles. However, a sex scandal erupted at the College, involving claims that Hargis had had sex with male and female students. Hargis was forced out of American Christian College's presidency as a result. Further scandals erupted when members of Hargis' youth choir, the "All American Kids", accused Hargis of sexual misconduct as well. The college eventually closed down in the mid-1970s. Hargis denied the allegations publicly.

Roy Clements, 1999
Clements was a prominent figure within British evangelical christianity. In 1999, he revealed he was in a homosexual relationship with another man, resigned his pastorship, and separated from his wife. He had written a number of well-received books which were withdrawn from sale when the news broke.

John Paulk, 2000
John Paulk (no relation to Earl Paulk) is a former leader of Focus on the Family's Love Won Out conference and former chairman of the board for Exodus International North America. His claimed shedding of homosexuality is also the subject of his autobiography Not Afraid to Change. In September 2000, Paulk was found and photographed in a Washington, D.C. gay bar, and accused by opponents of flirting with male patrons at the bar. Later questioned by gay rights activist Wayne Besen, Paulk denied being in the bar despite photographic proof to the contrary. Initially, FoF's Dr. James Dobson sided with Paulk and supported his claims. Subsequently, Paulk, who himself had written about his habit of lying while he openly lived as a homosexual, confessed to being in the bar, but claimed he entered the establishment for reasons other than sexual pursuits. Paulk retained his Board seat for Exodus, however he did so while on probation. Paulk did not run again for chairman of the board of Exodus when his term expired.

Paul Crouch, 2004
Paul Crouch is the founder and president of the Trinity Broadcasting Network, or TBN, the world's largest evangelical Christian television network, as well as the former host of TBN's flagship variety show, Praise the Lord. In September 2004, the Los Angeles Times published a series of articles raising questions about the fundraising practices and financial transparency of TBN, as well as the allegations of a former ministry employee, Enoch Lonnie Ford, that he had a homosexual affair with Crouch during the 1990s. The Times spoke with several sources that claimed that other evangelists such as Benny Hinn, Jack Hayford, and Paul's son Matthew were aware that an affair had taken place. TBN denied the allegations, claiming that Ford's claims were part of an extortion scheme and that the Times was a "left-wing and anti-Christian newspaper" for publishing the articles. In 2005, Ford submitted to and passed a lie detector test on the ION Television program Lie Detector.

Ted Haggard, 2006
Ted Haggard was the pastor of the New Life Church in Colorado Springs, Colorado and was the president of the National Association of Evangelicals (NAE) from 2003 until November 2006. Haggard's position allowed him occasional access to President George W. Bush. In 2006 it was alleged that Haggard had been regularly visiting a male prostitute who also provided him with methamphetamine. Haggard admitted his wrongdoing and resigned as pastor of New Life church and as president of the NAE. The high-profile case was significant also because it immediately preceded the 2006 mid-term elections and may have even affected national voting patterns[citation needed]. In January 2009, Haggard admitted to a second homosexual relationship with a male church member on CNN-TV and other national media, and when asked, would not directly answer a question about his other possible homosexual relationships.[17]

Paul Barnes, 2006
Paul Barnes is the founder and former senior minister of the evangelical church Grace Chapel in Douglas County, Colorado. He confessed his homosexual activity to the church board, and his resignation was accepted on December 7, 2006.[18] He started the church in his basement and watched it reach a membership of 2,100 in his 28 years of leadership. This scandal was notable because it was similar to Ted Haggard's (above), it occurred in the same state (Colorado) and around the same time (late 2006).

Lonnie Latham, 2006
In 2006, Latham, the senior pastor of South Tulsa Baptist Church and a member of the powerful Southern Baptist Convention Executive Committee, was arrested for "offering to engage in an act of lewdness" with a male undercover police officer.[19]

George Alan Rekers, 2010
Penn Bullock and Brandon K. Thorp of the Miami New Times reported on May 4, 2010, that on April 13, 2010, George Alan Rekers, a far-right Christian leader was encountered and photographed at Miami International Airport returning from an extended overseas trip with a twenty-year-old "rent boy", or gay male prostitute, known as "Lucien". Given his opinion on homosexuals and homosexual behavior, the scandal surrounds Rekers' decision to employ a homosexual escort as a traveling companion, and how that runs contrary to Rekers' public stances on such issues. Rekers claimed that Lucien was there to help carry Rekers' luggage as Rekers had allegedly had recent surgery, yet Rekers was seen carrying his own luggage when he and Lucien were spotted at the airport. On his blog, Rekers denied having sex with the man.


Too Late- It's Been Done





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_evangelist_scandals

Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay televangelist?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 09 Jun 10 - 09:11 PM

Goodonya Ebster.

LH, ya gotta LOOK first.

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay televangelist?
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Jun 10 - 09:32 PM

Well, word on the street is that Osama bin Forgotten is looking for a new career... Hey, he's been "holed" up in caves with his diaylsis machine and a bunch of smelly men for quite a few years now so who better??? Some dumpy Catolic preist??? Give my ol' hillbilly butt a break... No one is gonna watch... No, you need some pizazz and Osama has got it...

And, hey, ya'll know that Osama has been lookin' fir a little respect and this might do it and end this stupid family feud he has going with the Bushs...

I think it is genious... I mean, like Menza stuff...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay televangelist?
From: Ed T
Date: 09 Jun 10 - 10:04 PM

I was waiting for a gay dachshund thread to post this to. But, will park it here until one is opened.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zx3-0Ujzseg

Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay televangelist?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Jun 10 - 10:45 PM

Ebbie....none of those guys you listed qualify. Not one. What we are talking about here is a brand new Christian ministry, a born-again ministry that is OPENLY run by a gay pastor who is proud of being gay and doesn't hide it. Nor does his congregation object to him being openly gay, because they too are either openly gay or they are people have no objection to it. This ministry would broadcast via the TV, thus becoming the first OFFICIALLY gay television evangelism program in the USA (or anywhere).

That is what we're talkin' about here, Ebbie. That is the whole point of this thread. We are NOT talkin' about closet gays in the church who try to hide their gay affairs or whatever. No siree.

You have missed the point of this thread by a country mile. Go and say 50 "Hail Marys" or something like that and attone for your sins of misconception, madam! ;-D

****

Osama Bin Forgotten can't qualify either, Bobert. He's not Christian.

Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay televangelist?
From: Ebbie
Date: 09 Jun 10 - 11:36 PM

"What we are talking about here is a brand new Christian ministry, a born-again ministry that is OPENLY run by a gay pastor who is proud of being gay and doesn't hide it. Nor does his congregation object to him being openly gay, because they too are either openly gay or they are people have no objection to it."

Well, danged, as someone I admire would say. That sounds mightily like Christianity to me, Little Hawk, little scandalous about it.

Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay televangelist?
From: mauvepink
Date: 10 Jun 10 - 11:09 AM

"I'm talkin' about an upfront and OFFICIALLY gay televangelist who preaches the gospel in tandem with promoting gay rights"

One does not need to be gay, openly or otherwise, to be able to spread the Christian gospel or to promote gay rights. If folks truly followed Christ's teachings then being gay would not be cause for anyone to be bothered about at all. Acceptance and love of others should be part of any true Christian's belief system... just as Christ decreed: "love one another".

Mudcat has so many gay threads at present one would hope that being gay is being celebrated as part of life's rich tapestry!

Perhaps what we really need is an out of the closet openly folkie televangelist ;-)

mp

Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay televangelist?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 Jun 10 - 12:43 PM

Well, yeah! ;-) That is what's so deliciously ironic about the entire situation. That's why I'm asking: "Is it time for a gay televangelist?" Not a closet one. An official one. Just think of the fuss it would cause amongst the other televangelists and their congregations...because they would consider it scandalous.

Is it time?????????? That is the question.

Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay televangelist?
From: mauvepink
Date: 10 Jun 10 - 01:39 PM

Sadly, the Christian church has enough schisms within it's organisation over various questions to do with gay clergy,female Bishops, etc., etc.. While I see your point I see no great progress being made by deliberately antagonizing the situation. The time will be right when they can finally stop being judge and jury on Christ's wishes.

It will happen, I am sure, at some time. I would just hate there to be more 'bloodshed' over the topic just now. Those who are gay and wish to worship can do so right now and you may find they have no wish to try and upset anyone just for the fun of it. I often see more tolerance being shown from gay people than they get from other factions of society.

mp

Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay televangelist?
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Jun 10 - 01:48 PM

Ted Haggard is the most famous gay telyvangelist to date.
Earnest Angely Sr' made a blip on gaydar.

Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay televangelist?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 10 Jun 10 - 01:57 PM

When we get this new-breed televangelist, could we ask for a bit more? I see that Glenn Beck says we should stay away from any church that has "social justice" in its mission statement, but I think that it would be a great improvement to have televangelists who have concern for the poor and oppressed.

What other qualities should this new-televangelist have?
I think I'd like to see religious leaders who aren't so damn obsessed with "Truth" - I think it would be a better world if we all explored the questions instead of asserting that we have the answers.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay televangelist?
From: Ebbie
Date: 10 Jun 10 - 02:05 PM

Hear, hear, Joe! Until we have the right questions we will never get or understand the right answers.

Through the years I could see my life blown by the wind
Soaring high and then dashed to the ground
Finally I wondered just how much I'd squandered
Having every wind that blows toss me around
A good man's not always right, nor the bad one always wrong
Things are not always not black or white
As I'd thought my whole life long
Instead of haste I've learned patience
And deep gratitude for questions
The answers can wait. That, at last, I have found

Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay televangelist?
From: frogprince
Date: 10 Jun 10 - 02:24 PM

Original, Ebbie?

Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay televangelist?
From: Ebbie
Date: 10 Jun 10 - 03:57 PM

Yeah.

Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay televangelist?
From: frogprince
Date: 10 Jun 10 - 08:14 PM

Ebbie, I just read that the second time; I think that the first time through I read it right, and then the second time I caught an extra "not" in the 6th line. Anyhow, I found it ribbiting.

Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay televangelist?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 Jun 10 - 09:03 PM

Yes, excellent thoughts there, Ebbie.

Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay televangelist?
From: LadyJean
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 12:23 AM

Young folks old folks everybody come.
Come into the tv room and make yourself to home.
We'll watch the televangelist, he's on on chanel four
And you'll hear some Bible stories like you never heard before.

Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay televangelist?
From: Ebbie
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 12:30 AM

:) Thanks. Yes, take out that extra 'not'.

That song (called Sun and Rain) grew out of some musings one day of the vicissitudes (Good grief! What an odd word) of life - in fact, it starts out with 'As I dwell on the memories of so many years and on the lives of most people I know'

Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay televangelist?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 12:55 AM

I'd enjoy seeing the whole lyric. If you like, PM it to me.

Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay televangelist?
From: Ebbie
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 11:13 AM

OK, LH. I'd love to.

Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay televangelist?
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 02:15 PM

I cannot imagine an evangelist would be any more of a nutter if he was a shirt lifter.

Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay televangelist?
From: gnu
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 04:49 PM

Me too, Ebbie?

Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay televangelist?
From: Ebbie
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 05:27 PM

Sure, gnu. I'm flattered.

Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay televangelist?
From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 11:23 PM

Was Orel Roberts gay when he used to cure people, and then found out he couldn't be cured himself and abandoned the idea? Or did some rural farmer come up to the podium on crutches and make a pass at him, and he decided that if he continued to cure people somebody might eventually blow his cover?

             In any event, he ain't cured nobody in a very long spell, and neither has his institution, all of which spells big time trouble for the like of Ted Haggard.

Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay televangelist?
From: Ebbie
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 11:46 PM

I don't get it, Rig. I don't like Oral Roberts but what is it that you are saying? So far as I know, Roberts was not homosexual and I think that is what you are hinting. In any case, the man is dead and I doubt that he ever hurt you in any way. So shut de mout, k?

Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay televangelist?
From: Stringsinger
Date: 12 Jun 10 - 02:37 PM

It would be nice to rid t.v. of all televangelists but that would be impractical.
How about giving the t.v.camera over to monkeys and apes? (With an appropriate
trainer, of course). They could babble on like televangelists and would be just as comprehensible.