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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: Bobert Date: 29 Jan 11 - 06:57 PM Not bullshit at all, Jeri... Perhaps you don't live asround these folks... I live right in the middle of them and that is one reason why I'm moving... These people are insanely angry at the government, Democrats, liberals, pin-headed elitists and they routinely call black people niggers, threaten to kill Obama and they listen to Glen Beck... Maybe if you were to spend a couple weeks living in the middle of these people you'd understand... Your argument that people are accountable for their actions is also lacking when you have people like these people... I mean, they are alot like Sgt. Haney... So, if you think that someone like Beck can incite people to kill and that he not have an responsibility in it you are way off base... Hitler didn't march the folks into the gas chambers... His minions did... Does this absolve Hitler of wrong doing??? Me thinks you need to reconsider yer position... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: Jeri Date: 29 Jan 11 - 06:40 PM Bobert, that stuff about having to follow orders is bullshit. You follow an illegal one, and you go to jail for it. No, it's not a democracy, but every individual is accountable for their actions. Beck and Limbaugh can shoot their mouths off forever. The people who listen to them are all individually accountable for their actions. Each person who kills someone because they thought someone else told them to is STILL accountable. It doesn't matter if it's a guy who thought Beck told him to shoot someone, and it doesn't matter if it's Manson thinking the Beatles' songs told him to kill. It still comes down to the guy who pulls the trigger. The gripe I have is that we, as a society, have encouraged stupidity. People have been conditioned to be followers. If they do "question authority", then "authority" is all they question. There are enough stupid people who always believe the guy on the internet or the TV who claims something be a lie, or bad just because it comes from the government. The "always disbelievers" aren't any different or any less dangerous than the "always believers", and they certainly aren't any smarter. They're the same folks who go after people here instead of ideas. They are fundamentally too stupid to evaluate any idea unless they can lump it together with that person or that side's other ideas and attack the person, or the side. In a perfect world, nobody would shoot Beck or any other bigmouth, but people would be smart enough to check for and recognize the truth of what those idiots spout. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: Taconicus Date: 29 Jan 11 - 06:21 PM @Bill D: We may disagree, but I appreciate your discussing the issues instead of insulting me, putting words in my mouth, or making assumptions about my opinions. You may have a perspective that I think may cause you to see things other than the way they really are, but I won't ridicule you for expressing your honest opinion. And hey… my name's not Taco, okay? If Taconicus is too long, how about just Tac? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: ragdall Date: 29 Jan 11 - 05:53 PM A link to a copy of the ad |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: GUEST,999 Date: 29 Jan 11 - 05:40 PM I cannot attest to the truth of the following. Perhaps someone can. I`d heard years back that one letter written by a POed voter, rate payer, etc., indicated that there were about 1000 others who couldn`t be arsed to write a letter, and that the one letter had the influence of a thousand. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: olddude Date: 29 Jan 11 - 05:27 PM bobster, i agree with the dumbed down nation. That is why I think voicing opinions against the advertisers is productive. It costs millions to make a commercial to hock a product. The last thing they want is for people to say, hey you want to spend your money supporting a show like this, I won't buy your product. It gets their attention really fast. In one of my clients call center database that I created, they got 10 calls on one of their commercial, after only 10 calls, they pulled the commercial and replaced it with something else. The theory is people have to be really upset to comment, and for each that do, there are hundreds or thousands that think the same way and won't buy our product. Hitting them via the people running ads on the show, that is a pain they don't want. If a big advertiser walks, the show is not very long for the TV world |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: Bobert Date: 29 Jan 11 - 05:17 PM Here's the problem, Taco... No one is attacking you here... Yeah, they might attack yer ideas and yer arguments but that's all I have read so lighten up 'cause playin' the "ad hominem" card when there ain't any of it going on won't win you any debating points... Now, Ol-ster... It's the old argument about yelling fire in a crowded theater... I mean, there are limitations on free speech... There have been documented cases where people were fired up by Beck and gone out and used violence.... Might of fact there are a couple links in this thread to those incidents... In the military you are taught to obey regardless of the orders... The military isn't democracy... You obey orders... Period... I had a Sargent (Haney) once tell us that if he was ordered to kill his mother he'd do it... That is obedience... The problem is that we have a severely dumbed down nation and way too many of them are just like Sargent Haney and are not capable of critical thought... They just obey... That is why we don't need delusional people giving the orders... This is beyond free speech... This is back to why it is wrong to yell "Fire" in a crowded movie theater when there is no fire... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: olddude Date: 29 Jan 11 - 05:12 PM naw Bruce, lets say Budweiser Beer puts an ad on a Beck show or one of the others, a simple email to the companies "contact us" website that says .. ya know what, I am gonna stop buying your beer since you seem to buy into this name calling entertainment like Beck and __ and ___ .. that will get their attention. Every consumer letter is read and stored and reponded to, i know I created enough Call center applications ... that is all I am saying, voice the outrage towards the people who advertise on the shows and that can make a difference. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: Bill D Date: 29 Jan 11 - 04:26 PM 4 hours out shopping, and I seem to be way behind. Taconius: Craig Kilborn was stupid.. (although that was not 'recent') and I hope they didn't give him any more airtime after that. (I sure haven't heard from him recently) You mention a couple of Democratic politicians doing stupid things. I hope they were voted out if those acts were documented, but it does show that you CAN find stupid, hateful behavior in individuals in ANY group. The only semi-serious situations you mention (which I missed) are the stupid joking by Maher/Kerry...and that was 4 years ago, and evidently a one-time slip....and the remark by Ed Schultz, which I'd have to see in context to decide its 'flavor'. Ed does wave his arms a bit, but I seldom hear him make overt remarks that come close to what that 'might' be. Now.... while I totally agree that provocative speech is to be decried, no matter who does it, it is only the right, such AS Beck & Limbaugh & O'Reilley & Hannity who are paid millions to do it night after night on mainstream TV. THIS is the big issue...and I already said... twice, I believe... that I KNOW that Beck wouldn't last if he made clear, direct threats... so why do you and John keep requiring me to document some? The point is that Beck does, night after night, distort, prevaricate and inflame with provocative rhetoric which is **different in kind** from the admittedly 'biased' language most of the middle-to-left pundits use! (And one aspect of **different in kind** is constant appeal to Conservative Christian 'values'...suggesting that "God is on OUR side".) Almost ALL the shrillest right-wing extremism of the past election used **God** to promote and underwrite their views. I have the feeling that were they to get a significant majority, the 1st Amendment would get an interesting re-interpretation.....one 'freedom' the right-wing seems to cherish is their presumed 'freedom' to harass and intimidate everyone else... based on their notion that waving a Bible is sufficient validation. ................anyway, *I* am reluctant to deny anyone freedom of speech, but I sure do resent a network like Fox hiring and supporting the extremist views they do. It makes money, but...sheesh. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: Taconicus Date: 29 Jan 11 - 04:13 PM Old Dude wrote: What the hell ever happened to reasonable debate. Well reasonable debate I guess has no entertainment value. Total agreement, dude! Remember when there was real debate on TV with no name-calling, when left and right was Dick Cavett and William F. Buckley? That was back when reasoned discourse and civil debate were still valued. Now it's all name-calling, guilt by association, and emotionalism. And online, trolls. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: GUEST,999 Date: 29 Jan 11 - 03:53 PM Folks ain`t gonna give up their TVs, Dan. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: olddude Date: 29 Jan 11 - 03:26 PM By the way sooner or later a nut ball is going to forget that these TV and radio shows are shock value entertainment, that is why they are there, and is going to do something because one of these guys called for it on their TV show. Then, the lawsuits afterwords and the criminal investigation afterwords will make the point better than our ramblings. Remember when Sally Jesse Raphael setup that gay guy and his straight friend and the guy got killed. She was sued and the show was gone. She also ended up in criminal court yada yada. Sadly it will probably take something like that. But as long as the advertisers get their big bucks from pitching their products on such a "hit" TV or radio show nothing will change and it will get worse. If people say hell no I won't buy your product, then you make a difference. Problem is, getting enough people to do that |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: olddude Date: 29 Jan 11 - 03:13 PM Who would have thought however that saying over the top things and berating others one could earn so much money. Ever read how much they pay these guys. don't matter, I would never do it, drug dealers make a lot of money also but something is so very wrong with America that guys like these (I am talking all parties and a host of them) get paid to spread hate, half truths, and deception. Sad I think. What the hell ever happened to reasonable debate. Well reasonable debate I guess has no entertainment value. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: olddude Date: 29 Jan 11 - 03:05 PM Bobster Naw I am just saying a turd is a turd, they put these guys on and pay them so much money to fire off their poison, that is what they get paid to do. The best thing to do is turn the channel and complain formally like the Rabbi is doing to those that employ them and the advertisers on the show. I tell ya what, if enough people bitch at the advertisers on these shows, they won't be there cause it is all about the ad dollars that keep them going. They do have the right to say crap. Others have the right to tell their advertisers that "I am not going to buy your product since you seem to support a guy like Beck or _____" whoever. Believe me it gets their attention |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: Greg F. Date: 29 Jan 11 - 02:19 PM I don't hate Beck, Taco- but I DO hate the ignorant fools that believe him and the jackasses who defend him. Beck by himself can't do shit- its his acolytes. Like yourself, perhaps? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: Ebbie Date: 29 Jan 11 - 02:16 PM I recently read a facet of vitriolic speech that hadn't occurred to me before. Oh, of course, I knew that presidents have speechwriters but... Russell Baker, in an H.L. Mencken book review, wrote: "In today's jargon, Mencken, eloquently proclaiming views certain to offends so many, would be called a 'polarizing' figure. Whereas, today's polarizers, however, are professional well-poisoners who spend vast sums for opinion polls to determine how best to inflame the masses for poliical advantage. Mencken did the trick by simply writing what was on his mind." These inflamers and inciters may not even be telling us what they themselves think and believe, they may simply be pushing calculated buttons by spouting rhetoric that they know will arouse the passions of angry, fearful people. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: josepp Date: 29 Jan 11 - 02:07 PM Beck is the madman depicted in that movie "Network" where the anchor man who learns he is going to be fired, goes on the air for his last broadcast claiming he was going to commit suicide on the air and instead starts ranting and cursing and suddenly the ratings shoot sky high. The network that was all set to can him now don't dare remove him. Everyday he comes to the studio--more dirty, ragged, decrepit and crazy than the last time and rants and raves against this, that and the other. The audience loves it and keeps tuning in--many of them doing whatever crazy thing he tells them to do and then calling into the station asking what he wants them to do next. The protagonist fights with the network execs that this man is sick and clearly needs to be hospitalized but the execs won't even consider it. He's knocking out the competition in that time slot. The grim humor being that when the newsman was sane, rational and delivering the news in a professionl manner, people stopped watching him so that the network decides to can him but now that he's a raving lunatic with nothing sane to say anymore, the viewers just can't get enough of him. Lunacy sells and it sells big. What's funny is that this movie came out long before RW nutjobs came on the air and took over the ratings spewing lunacy and conspiracy crap. Yet the movie perfectly predicted that this was where television was headed and demonstrated how and why it was inevitable. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: GUEST,999 Date: 29 Jan 11 - 02:07 PM Hey, ya know how it is. Folks think what they want. As a person, I did march in anti-war marches, open housing marches and others. I took a few beatings in the name of pacifism. I was on the street when the riots took place at Sir George Williams University in Montreal. I was being peaceful, and cop raised a night stick to me. I gave him a strike in the plexus with a rolled up newspaper. Guess what: he didn`t hit me. I don`t think gratuitous violence is in anyone`s best interest. However, the minute someone raises his hand to me, my response is not violence--it`s self-defense. When trash like Beck, Robertson, Palin, Coulter (and others) speak as they do, they are not worthy of arguing against. Their currency is violence. Pay them in kind. I have heard the adage that an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth leaves everyone blind and toothless. It`s crap when people say that because they seldom mean their eye or tooth should be the first to go. Philosophy is easy. Facts are hard. Sorry, but if I gotta go, I`ll do so taking some sonuvabitch with me. And, I don`t really care who agrees or disagrees with me. They can go be pacifistic with rabid animals. Not this old boy. Best regards to you, buddy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: gnu Date: 29 Jan 11 - 01:41 PM 999... "Until such time as he is shot, he will continue to spew hatred and bullshit." Judging by subsequent posts, I must be missing something. That post does not call for shooting anyone. In any case, I didn't read much further and I don't care to do so. Have fun with it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: Taconicus Date: 29 Jan 11 - 01:26 PM Greg, Bobert, now you're resorting to sarcastic ad hominem put-downs of those who disagree with you instead of addressing the issues themselves. I've tried "discussing" issues before with posters who do that, and I'm not interested in taking part. You hate Glenn Beck. Right, we got it. Bye bye. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: Bobert Date: 29 Jan 11 - 01:04 PM Ol'ster... If I saw someone poison a barrel of water that the local Boy Scouts were getting ready to take on a camping trip that I was supposed to be watching and was asked by the Scout Master if everything was fine and said "Yup, everything fine" then, if we use your logic, then everything would be just hunky doorey in yer book... I mean, some folks have very bad intentions and they use their mouths to propagate misinformation that is harmful... But, I guess if we are going to use your and Taco's logic then I can purdy much say whatever I want, whenever I want, regardless of everyone's safety or the validity of the factual information in what I say??? Hmmmmmmmm??? Think you need to rethink that position... Bill D is absolutely correct and guess what??? Contrary to Taco's suggestion Bill made his points without lieing, without threatening anyone and with a high level of civility... It's just righties hate being wrong and when they are called on it rather than examine their wrongness they attack the one who pointed out their wrongness??? B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: Greg F. Date: 29 Jan 11 - 12:56 PM but no actual, specific examples of [Beck] actually advocating violence Get your eyes & ears checked by qualified medical personnell, Tac. None so blind as them as refuse to see. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: Taconicus Date: 29 Jan 11 - 12:15 PM I've looked at what you posted above, Bill D., and they include lots of accusations of Glenn Beck advocating violence, and links to websites that accuse Glenn Beck of advocating violence, recordings of Beck railing against the policies of others, etc., but no actual, specific examples of actually advocating violence. But among Democrat politicians and leftist media personalities, advocation of violence is much easier to find: During GWB's convention speech, Craig Kilborn, a CBS talk-show host, showed him on the screen with the words "SNIPERS WANTED." There was even a movie made about an imagined assassination of President Bush. No one on the left who are screaming about "right wing rhetoric" today thought there was anything wrong with making that movie. In 2004, Democrat Barry Seltzer was arrested for attempting to run down Rep. Katherine Harris (R-Fla.) with a car. He told police he was simply "exercising [his] political expression" when he drove his car at Harris and several supporters, swerving at the last minute. In 2006, when Bill Maher joked with John Kerry that instead of taking his wife to Vermont for her birthday he could have taken her to New Hampshire (where the primary was) and "killed two birds with one stone." John Kerry joked back, "Or I could have gone to 1600 Pennsylvania and killed the real bird with one stone." In 2006, New York comptroller, Alan Hevesi, the Democrat comptroller from New York, was telling graduating students at Queens College how much he and other Democrats despised GWB. He said that his fellow Democrat, Sen. Charles Schumer, would "put a bullet between the president's eyes if he could get away with it." In 2008, "political comedian" Sandra Bernhard "joked" that if Sarah Palin ever visited New York she would be "gang-raped by my big black brothers." Check out this lovely piece of leftist light-hearted anti-Palin "mother I'd love to punch" art. Three months ago, in October 2010, Democrat Representative from Pennsylvania Paul Kanjorski, talking about Republican Rick Scott, said that "instead of running for governor of Florida, they ought to have him and shoot him. Put him against the wall and shoot him." "He is an enemy of the country, in my opinion. Cheney is an enemy of the country....Lord, take him to the Promised Land, will you? See, I don't even wish the guy goes to Hell, I just want to get him the hell out of here." - Ed Schultz, MSNBC |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: Taconicus Date: 29 Jan 11 - 11:51 AM You're right, old dude. In today's society many pundits and politicians (of all partisan stripes) make their careers by getting people all fired up. Actually it's nothing new; the words firebrand, rabble-rouser, demagogue, muckraker, agitator—they're not new words. After WWII we seemed to have learned the evils of scapegoating (blaming single crimes on the influence of groups we don't like) and it became less common… for a while. Now it's back, with a vengeance. Literally. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: olddude Date: 29 Jan 11 - 11:50 AM The other thing about these people is the Rabbi also has the right to free speech and the right to complain loud and hard about something he feels is wrong. I am not going to censure anyone. Nor do I want anyone to try and censure me either. They can say anything they want with the understanding that networks and radio owners will pay the price via boycotts for shows that do such things. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: Bill D Date: 29 Jan 11 - 11:43 AM specifics please, Taconius. You can read above what *I* found (part of it) showing conservative incitement. I CAN show you lots more...in detail. WHERE do you find "...violent, intolerant, hate-filled rhetoric from the left advocating suppression and/or violence against conservatives ..."? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: olddude Date: 29 Jan 11 - 11:40 AM What people need to understand is the guy makes a living saying things that are over the top. There are dozens of them on TV talk radio ... they get paid to fire people all up. Is it right ... hell no ... what I do ... is I don't listen to any of them . I sure wish others would do the same, then, there would be no TV show or RAdio show |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: Taconicus Date: 29 Jan 11 - 11:28 AM What I hear (in general, present company excepted--I wouldn't stoop to personal attacks or be so rude as to accuse anyone here of preaching bullshit) is lots of violent, intolerant, hate-filled rhetoric from the left advocating suppression and/or violence against conservatives at the same time as accusing conservatives of advocating violence on national media--although they're unable to actually give any examples of conservatives advocating violence on national media. And then they give their solution which is that the conservatives on TV should be silenced or shot. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: Bill D Date: 29 Jan 11 - 11:18 AM 999... I'm sure John IS a nice guy. We have several pretty conservative posters who I'm sure I could have lunch with and debate in a friendly manner. I also know that some of them simply cannot entertain the notion that certain famous conservative pundits play fast & loose with the facts and use imagery and language which pushes the limits of fair, decent and sane selling of their 'sides' points. The Republican party today in not the one *I* grew up knowing, with Nelson Rockefeller in office and William F. Buckley making their arguments. We have really off-the-wall politicians today, with REALLY off-the-wall pundits supporting them. This new idea of "don't worry about offering real ideas..just get power back by opposing everything Democrats try to do..." is making it hard to carry on any real debate. There is a coalition of rabid anti-abortion forces, mixed with slogan shouting 'anti-tax' zealots, mixed with stalwart, independent "I don't want ANYONE, especially in the govt., telling me what to do!" militia-oriented gun owners, mixed with and supported by business lobbyists just fighting anything that would cut into their profits, no matter what the interests of the country at large....and all these reinforcing each other thru Fox news and related outlets. Not only that, for many years, there were many, many more conservative talk shows, both on radio & TV, simply because wild accusations and conspiracy theory rants are more 'interesting' and sell more soap than reasonable, sane talking points. It is a pretty recent thing to have any 'liberal' shows with any sort of format that both made sense and held viewers interest. (Remember the aborted attempt to make Al Franken's comedy show a 'liberal voice'? He just couldn't sustain both comedy and sense, and is now MUCH more effective as a Senator who 'occasionally' uses humor.) So... the Glenn Beck situation is serious, for BOTH sides, because he IS getting lots of airtime to push very extreme attitudes and is, along with others, becoming the only voice of conservatism, hardening the base, but driving away many right-leaning independents and at the same time using valuable energy from the left to refute his polemics. Beck, Coulter, Limbaugh, Hannity,...and several ULTRA-loony radio shows have changed the entire landscape of honest debate to one of careless and dangerous whipping up opposition to 'liberals' and those liberals trying to figger out how to respond without resorting to similar tactics. I shudder to think what thing would be like if we got a president and both houses of congress filled with folks who agreed with Beck & his cronies....the Supreme Court already has 4-5 who are serious threats, as the "Citizens United" decision shows. Yes...I DO get carried away, don't I? At least I care & try. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: Bobert Date: 29 Jan 11 - 10:58 AM I doubt seriously if Stalin or Goebbels had any interest in anyone hearing any other stories but theirs... This is what we have "right" here in the US... Other that 3 hours of the truth aired on a cable station, the rest of the media is corporate owned and firmly camped out on the right side of the divide... (But what about the "liberal" media, Boberdz???) Haha... It only exists in the minds of the Epsilons... Boss Hog knows the real deal 'cause he uses his big stick (corporate media) to propagate mythology... That is reality and... ...misinformation is his tool to control the masses and to continue the fleecing of the labor class... And he uses the lest intelligent of the Epsilons as his enforcers... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: Greg F. Date: 29 Jan 11 - 10:41 AM Sorry, Tac- more overwrought bullshit. Click Here or Here |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: Taconicus Date: 29 Jan 11 - 10:21 AM Commendable basic attitude ["I say let Glenn Beck speak"], but when someone can be proven to be disseminating false information and distorting issues, his 'right' to do so over public airwaves needs to be discussed. Goebbels, Lenin, and most other totalitarian despots and their supporters have made almost identical arguments. Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have guns, why should we let them have ideas. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: GUEST,999 Date: 29 Jan 11 - 10:06 AM John is one of the best people I`ve met through Mudcat, even though we`ve never met in person. He is reasoned in his thinking and smart in his considerations. The fact we don`t always agree is just the way things are in life. His views are conservative, but hey, ya know. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: John on the Sunset Coast Date: 28 Jan 11 - 11:40 PM Well, yeah, Mouse and Bobert, I did watch a couple of those videos. I don't agree with most of what Beck in the Canadian segment, as I don't agree with most of the argumentation, here. At least the gentleman from TYT had the skills to calmly and logically refute Beck. While I didn't watch all 13+ minutes, I did not hear bumper sticker attacks on Beck, and I didn't hear a bunch of emotional non sequiturs. The other one was a montage of 5 - 10 second snippits edited for maximum impact purporting to be a news report. It was simply a polemic, not much better than some of the arguments here. That one gets two thumbs down...well maybe one thumb up for editing. Nice, if dishonest, try though. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: Bobert Date: 28 Jan 11 - 11:08 PM Of course he didn't, mouse... After all, John is way to busy being John on the Sunset Coast and... ...losin' credibility with every post... I mean, history is littered with dead leftist because some asshole rightie told his follower's that it is was perfectly okay (if not or ordered) to shoot those ______________ (fill in yer own anti-reactionary movement/party)s... I.e progressives, liberals... I mean, lets get real here... Ain't no hiding... You are either pro-human on anti-human... Ain't no fenced here to walk... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: mousethief Date: 28 Jan 11 - 10:54 PM Hey John, did you watch the videos? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: John on the Sunset Coast Date: 28 Jan 11 - 10:16 PM "... but you CAN spend all evening just reading & listening to BECK weaving ideas for his sheep that tell them something needs to be done." Nice literary allusion there. Maybe I can send away for the code book to unveil actions I'm supposed to take which he isn't directly telling me what to do, as I guess I missed that part of of the conservative manifesto When caught, I can use the Geraldine (Flip Wilson) plea, "The Glenn Beck made me do it, whoo-whee." whilst I smile large, roll my eyes and undulate sexily. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: Bill D Date: 28 Jan 11 - 09:38 PM Now, I maintain that Beck is just ONE who strews hints in his programs, and that it IS relevant to refer to others, but you CAN spend all evening just reading & listening to BECK weaving ideas for his sheep that tell them something needs to be done. You demand precise, direct proof that he said "Go kill someone"? No, he only skirts it....believe what you want. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: John on the Sunset Coast Date: 28 Jan 11 - 09:35 PM Calm down Bobert, I don't want to be an accomplice to your having a heart attack or stroke. I listen primarily to three talk shows from conservatives, and two to liberal hosts, one by osmosis. No, I do not listen to every hour of each of these gentlemen, but I listen most every day to some. Each of these hosts, right and left, never hint to anybody at any time to resort to any sort of violence. When violent acts occur, the shooting in Tucson, the shootings by the Moslim doctor at his military post, and the shootings of abortion doctors by fundamentalist Christians, as examples, all of them are quick to condemn the acts and the perpetrators, and to point out the evilness of the killings. The major difference is this: the conservative hosts don't rush to judgment to blame outside influences for the individual's action; the liberals are nearly always--and generally erroneously--quick to assign blame even before the blood has dried on the ground. Sounds pretty much to me like some things I read here. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: Bill D Date: 28 Jan 11 - 09:33 PM check this with video YouTube of radio show (you have to watch it ALL to see the point) heavy hints about poisoning Pelosi Kidding? Maybe... what does he have to DO? more...yeah, there's more. You can do searches too... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: Bill D Date: 28 Jan 11 - 09:09 PM "I have never heard him imply that people should be violent." I have... I shall endeavor to find specific links/text/videos... I am not sure what has been archived. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: John on the Sunset Coast Date: 28 Jan 11 - 09:00 PM We are not speaking of "VARIOUS(sic) killings have been linked to various right-wing 'encouragement'...", we are speaking specifically of Glenn Beck, not that I accept your quoted premise to start with as a common occurrence. I read here, that Glenn Beck is a liar and an agitator stirring up folks to commit murderous acts. I have never heard him imply that people should be violent. I have heard him explicitly (not tangentially, not metaphorically, but explicitly) tell an audience that violence is not to be inferred or used. Listen to a station which he is on where they run that promo (in Los Angeles it's on AM 870 KRLA) if you doubt my post. Of course if you do that, you might get a dose of (alternate) reality. I stand by what I wrote at 12:12, and post hoc and emotional arguments I've read here, only confirm my position. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: Bobert Date: 28 Jan 11 - 08:59 PM Check out www.liberalslikechrist, John... You absolutely don't get the fact that we have a war being waged by one side: the right.... And they kill, and they kill, and they kill... I mean, if it were a football game the score would be like 2000 to 3... The right not only kills here but everywhere... Hitler was a rightie... PolPot was rightie... Everywhere we look, the US very much included we have righties killing liberals... 1979 Greemsboro, NC... KKK shoots down 5 non-violent marchers and no arrests... King, Kennedy, Kennedy... Abortion doctors.... Nurses... Family planning counselors and guess what, John??? To date I have never heard one rightie say, "Enough is enough".... Never!!! Waht I hear is the same old shit: "Well, boys will be boys" 'er "Hey, they have a right to say whatever they want", 'er "Them niggers shouldn't have done this or that"... This goes back to the end of the unCivil War in our country and hundreds, maybe thousand of folks have been gunned down, hanged, dragged down country roads from a rope on the back of a pickup truck, etc... No, John... NO matter what your words are you are on the wrong side of humanity here... Yes, "Enough is enough" and unless you are perfectly willing to see your side continue using assassination as just another political tool then you need to look inside yer heart and say... ..."Enough is enough" Anything less then in my eyes you are an accomplice... And so is every rightie in this country... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: Bill D Date: 28 Jan 11 - 08:39 PM John...you KNOW that if there were positive proof that would hold up in court, he and others would be in jail now. VARIOUS killings have been linked to various right-wing 'encouragement' to "Take out these liberals/abortionists" etc. When they 'hint' to folks who are already primed to hate, it is just a matter of connecting the dots. ADDRESSES of 'targets' have been posted and Beck, Limbaugh and others have made semi-veiled remarks allowing as how it sure would be nice if those nasty opponents of God's laws were 'dealt with'. Politicians have dropped out of races **because they received anonymous death threats!** You don't think they're quite so dumb as to SAY: "Somebody go kill that liberal commie", do you?...although I have seen clips of them coming pretty close! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: John on the Sunset Coast Date: 28 Jan 11 - 08:15 PM And by the way, just which of Glenn Beck's listeners have killed anybody...with proof, please. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: John on the Sunset Coast Date: 28 Jan 11 - 08:12 PM Bobert, how would you feel having your speech rights taken away, or your gun rights, or your right to peacefully assemble, or any of your Constitutional rights. Don't give me this crap about how would you feel if...It's bull shit and you know it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: Bobert Date: 28 Jan 11 - 08:00 PM Then he goes and tells people to be sure to shoot people in the head, John... And guess what??? Some of his followers take that to heart and go out and kill people... That's the point here... You say you don't listen to him but then again you see no reason why he be told to chill out... If it was you or one of your family members who were killed for no other reason than some nut told them to kill them, you might see things a little different... Seems going back a long ways,. like 1963, the right has used violence against the left... We on the left have had enough of or brothers and sisters killed by ya'll and to sit back and say, "Hey, he's go every right to say what he wants" is to be an accomplice when perfectly innocent people are targeted fro their political beliefs... Yeah, think how you'd feel if someone killed one of your family members because someone in the media told 'um it was not only okay but the thing to do... That is the issue here... This is beyond 1st amendment stuff... Listen to the guy and come back and tell US how it's okay for this guy to be on a "News" station??? B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: John on the Sunset Coast Date: 28 Jan 11 - 06:57 PM Well, I don't much listen to Beck, so I can't speak to what he says on his shows as to its true truth or falsity. I do know what people say he says, but I don't know if those reports are true or false. In either case, I don't believe he should be shut down or shot down. Beck is on a station that I listen to for other shows. Several times I have heard his promo calling for his listeners to be proactive in political activity. He specifically, in this promo, notes that his listeners should in NO way be engaging in violence--that's a lot better message than some I read on the this thread. He also suggests that they pray about their actions (ooooh scary, scary, scary!). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: Bobert Date: 28 Jan 11 - 06:23 PM Thanks, TIA... I would think that maybe John on the Sunset Coast would benefit from reading this link... I mean, when innocent people are being killed by people who believe the lies that Beck spins then, yeah, it is time to at the very least sit the boy down and tell him to chill... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rabbis Push FOX to Bust Beck... From: Bill D Date: 28 Jan 11 - 06:15 PM They were talking about Beck being treated for mental illness way back when he was on CNN's "Headline News".. I heard HIM admit it. I had wondered about him even then, and was glad when he disappeared....then amazed when he turned up on Fox in an even more prominent place. I really cannot tell what his basic driving forces are, but they are a funny mix of 'patriotism', self-aggrandizement, messianic Christianity and |
