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The Bastards Want Our Allotments Now!

Lizzie Cornish 1 01 May 11 - 05:26 AM
Lizzie Cornish 1 01 May 11 - 05:30 AM
Richie Black (misused acct, bad email) 01 May 11 - 06:01 AM
Mavis Enderby 01 May 11 - 07:37 AM
Dave the Gnome 01 May 11 - 07:49 AM
McGrath of Harlow 01 May 11 - 11:19 AM
Penny S. 01 May 11 - 12:52 PM
Leadfingers 01 May 11 - 06:55 PM
Dave the Gnome 02 May 11 - 04:20 AM
Penny S. 02 May 11 - 04:32 AM
Don(Wyziwyg)T 02 May 11 - 05:21 AM
Penny S. 02 May 11 - 05:26 AM
Roger the Skiffler 02 May 11 - 05:27 AM
Dave the Gnome 02 May 11 - 05:28 AM
GUEST,Suibhne Astray 02 May 11 - 05:45 AM
Fred McCormick 02 May 11 - 07:04 AM
Don(Wyziwyg)T 02 May 11 - 08:18 PM
Don(Wyziwyg)T 02 May 11 - 08:25 PM
Fred McCormick 03 May 11 - 05:19 AM
Lizzie Cornish 1 03 May 11 - 05:36 AM
Dave the Gnome 03 May 11 - 05:43 AM
GUEST,CrazyEddie 03 May 11 - 06:38 AM
Fred McCormick 03 May 11 - 07:15 AM
Bob the Postman 03 May 11 - 02:02 PM
GUEST,Patsy 04 May 11 - 04:39 AM
Musket 04 May 11 - 09:17 AM
Fred McCormick 04 May 11 - 11:37 AM
Mavis Enderby 04 May 11 - 12:12 PM
Geoff the Duck 04 May 11 - 01:30 PM
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Subject: The Bastards Want Our Allotments Now!
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 01 May 11 - 05:26 AM

The Bastards & The Allotments

Please join the campaign to get this stopped. The link is via the link above.

Eric Pickles should be pickled in brine and let outside The Houses of Parliament as a warning to all other MPs that you can only go SO far before 'your people' becomen their OWN PEOPLE!

Right, spades, shovels, forks and trowels to the fore, Men and Women of England!!

This is WAR!


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Subject: RE: The Bastards Want Our Allotments Now!
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 01 May 11 - 05:30 AM

Hmmmm....according to that, the consultation about this closed on 25th April, so that's a bit confusing, yet the story is from today. I'm off to investigate this further..........


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Subject: RE: The Bastards Want Our Allotments Now!
From: Richie Black (misused acct, bad email)
Date: 01 May 11 - 06:01 AM

Dig for victory Lizzie, come on girl dig your heels in. I will stand beside you in support.


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Subject: RE: The Bastards Want Our Allotments Now!
From: Mavis Enderby
Date: 01 May 11 - 07:37 AM

The Lincolnshire Echo isn't known for getting its facts right but I hope they are correct on this one:

Allotment owners in Lincoln will not be deprived of their plots

Should be the same for the whole country?

Pete.


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Subject: RE: The Bastards Want Our Allotments Now!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 01 May 11 - 07:49 AM

Hopefully this thread will provide a bit of inspirational music to go with the campaign:-)

MP


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Subject: RE: The Bastards Want Our Allotments Now!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 01 May 11 - 11:19 AM

"Consultations" are generally a lie anyway.


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Subject: RE: The Bastards Want Our Allotments Now!
From: Penny S.
Date: 01 May 11 - 12:52 PM

Don't seem to know who things belong to, do they?

Penny


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Subject: RE: The Bastards Want Our Allotments Now!
From: Leadfingers
Date: 01 May 11 - 06:55 PM

No doubt IF they CAN sell all the allotments , Tesco will be able to build Supermarkets on some of them so people can STILL get their
'fresh' vegetables !


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Subject: RE: The Bastards Want Our Allotments Now!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 May 11 - 04:20 AM

Refresh - This is important and hopefuly someone can do something about it. Unfortunately with having a new job recently, looking for a new house and juggling the folk club and 101 other things it can't be me:-( Who is up for leading the campaign?

MP


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Subject: RE: The Bastards Want Our Allotments Now!
From: Penny S.
Date: 02 May 11 - 04:32 AM

I don't think the use of the word "consultation" is actually a lie in the sense of a deliberate untruth. I think the people in positions of authority who use it really believe it means "we will have a meeting to tell you what we are going to do, at which we will not allow questions". So in their minds, they think that what they are doing is truthful.

They need educating, don't they?

Penny


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Subject: RE: The Bastards Want Our Allotments Now!
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 02 May 11 - 05:21 AM

Having actually read the article in its entirety and the linked Lincolnshire article too, rather than undergoing a violent knee jerk reaction to the headline, I came across the government response.

""However we will not remove statutory protections for allotments or any frontline services.""

What I gleaned from the whole was that allotments were on a list of statutory Council duties and that some items (as yet unspecified) on that list would be removed.

Nowhere was there any indication that allotments would be among that number, and indeed that was confirmed by the government's response.

It seems to me two hacks handed you all a nice little partisan factoid to play with, and you all happily jumped in without applying any rational or critical thought to the so-called "evidence".

Inventing spurious "crimes" which have no basis in fact renders the inventors ridiculous and undermines the credibility of any sensible comment from them in the future.

Still, since government bashing is the only sport remaining for Labour supporters, do have fun with it.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: The Bastards Want Our Allotments Now!
From: Penny S.
Date: 02 May 11 - 05:26 AM

It was on the radio yesterday, as well.

Now why would people tend to believe it? could it be the forest sell off? Could it be that no-one trusts the government at all? Any government?

Penny


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Subject: RE: The Bastards Want Our Allotments Now!
From: Roger the Skiffler
Date: 02 May 11 - 05:27 AM

"We will fight them on the spud beds, we wil fight them over the marrows..."

RtS


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Subject: RE: The Bastards Want Our Allotments Now!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 May 11 - 05:28 AM

"However we will not remove statutory protections for allotments or any frontline services."

And you believed a government statement, Don? Tsk, tsk. Nearly as bad as believing the newspaper headlines... :-)

MP


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Subject: RE: The Bastards Want Our Allotments Now!
From: GUEST,Suibhne Astray
Date: 02 May 11 - 05:45 AM

The bastards have been wanting our allotments for some time now. In Durham, one of the more picturesque scenes is of the allotments in back of South Street and Margery Lane which is owned by the good of old C of E. Word was, the Church was wanting to flog the land to Tescos. No longer a resident of Durham, I wonder how long it'll be before this comes to pass...

Reminds me of the reports of Durham Graveyard Vandalism (the Durham Allotments being near to the long suffering Saint Margaret's cemetary in back of Crossgate). Several ministers in the city were publicly raising funds to restore the damage done by desctructive noctural visitants only to receive a sheepish epistle from the Local Authority saying the damage was actually the work of their minimum wage lackeys in order to keep things safe, so any tombstone that looked a bit wobbly after 200 years, they were empowered to topple entirely on account of a freak accident in which a child was injured in such an incident some years previously.


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Subject: RE: The Bastards Want Our Allotments Now!
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 02 May 11 - 07:04 AM

Strange. This proposal is intended to alleviate the strain which central government has imposed on local councils, as a consequence of the budget deficit.

That being the case, there are one or two 'catters whom I would have expected to welcome Eric Pickles' initiative.


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Subject: RE: The Bastards Want Our Allotments Now!
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 02 May 11 - 08:18 PM

""And you believed a government statement, Don? Tsk, tsk. Nearly as bad as believing the newspaper headlines... :-)""

I have no objection to anybody believing what they choose, but do you believe that on this forum there would have been the same level of vituperative comment, had the article referred to any party other than the Tories?

If so, can I have some of whatever you are smoking?

Don T.


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Subject: RE: The Bastards Want Our Allotments Now!
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 02 May 11 - 08:25 PM

""That being the case, there are one or two 'catters whom I would have expected to welcome Eric Pickles' initiative.""

All Tories think exactly alike, eh Fred? Do all socialists believe that everything Millipede says is divine gospel?

Use your head once in a while.

Just as there are New Labour, and old Socialist Labour, each having their own opinions, there are also Tories at the left and right wings of that party.

To think otherwise is to expose oneself as a political bigot, and there are a fair few of those about.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: The Bastards Want Our Allotments Now!
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 03 May 11 - 05:19 AM

Sorry Don, you've lost me. Where did I say anything about differing points of view within the tory party?

The point I was getting at is that there is at least one right wing contributor to this board who clearly thinks that every cutback the government imposes is to be welcomed with open arms. Sod the people who have to suffer the cuts and the services we've paid for. Sod the local councils who are being squeezed till the pips squeak and are forced into cutting services till there's nothing left to cut. Forget the bankers who caused the crisis in the first place. We've gotta get the budget deficit paid off and the poor as always are the ones to suffer.

I was somewhat surprised then when self same person suddenly pops up on this thread proclaiming support for Lizzie in the fight against cost-cutting changes to the regulations governing local authority allotments.

Yes Richie Black I mean you.


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Subject: RE: The Bastards Want Our Allotments Now!
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 03 May 11 - 05:36 AM

"...I have no objection to anybody believing what they choose, but do you believe that on this forum there would have been the same level of vituperative comment, had the article referred to any party other than the Tories?,,,"


I started this thread, Don. I did not start it because of the Tories or the Lib Dems. I would have started exactly the same thread had it been a Labour government in power.

The reason I started it is because of the bastards who are at present in control, as opposed to the bastards who were in control before.

They want to sell the land off, basically...let's talk about the REAL reason behind all of this...and once that land is gone, it is gone for good. The land is there for the good of the people, for the use of the people.

No government has any right to do what this present government are now doing.

A bastard government is a bastard government, no matter what colour ties they be wearing.


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Subject: RE: The Bastards Want Our Allotments Now!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 May 11 - 05:43 AM

Vituperative - Using, containing, or marked by harshly abusive censure.

Well, you learn something new every day! I guess you will have to take that up with the OP, Don. Nothing to do with me.

MP


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Subject: RE: The Bastards Want Our Allotments Now!
From: GUEST,CrazyEddie
Date: 03 May 11 - 06:38 AM

The law locks up the man or woman
Who steals the goose from off the common;
But lets the greater villian loose
Who steals the common from the goose.


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Subject: RE: The Bastards Want Our Allotments Now!
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 03 May 11 - 07:15 AM

Quite.


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Subject: RE: The Bastards Want Our Allotments Now!
From: Bob the Postman
Date: 03 May 11 - 02:02 PM

You Diggers all stand up for glory, stand up now.


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Subject: RE: The Bastards Want Our Allotments Now!
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 04 May 11 - 04:39 AM

'Leadfingers, 1 May'

That's not funny from where I am sat in Bristol, lol. Would Tesco dare put a supermarket on allotment ground here? Protestors petrol bombed the proposed location of one which had been Jester's Comedy Club, can you imagine what would happen if Tesco planned to build on allotments after that?


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Subject: RE: The Bastards Want Our Allotments Now!
From: Musket
Date: 04 May 11 - 09:17 AM

There is a bit of a difference between removing statutory protection and removing allotments. With the property slump, any council will prefer the income from tenants to trying to sell the land for development. the present setup explains the abundance of empty allotments and the council not feeling able to do anything other than let them go wild.

I used to do some voluntary work for a mental health charity and we persuaded the local council to give us a couple of allotments for a horticultural project, occupational therapy style. We were pleasantly surprised to be offered a huge choice. Why? protected and (in this particular town) empty.

Now in other towns there is a waiting list. Whilst I am dubious about council plans at the best of times and Pickles is a disgrace for other reasons that affect the work I do, I still find myself agreeing with those who think the story is taking a reduction in red tape out of context and making out the potential pitfalls of doing so more than potential.

Of course, if you must cast a vote in an election and then call the outcome government "bastards" don't be too upset if I don't take you seriously. If you want to improve a system, you have to accept there is a system in the first place.


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Subject: RE: The Bastards Want Our Allotments Now!
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 04 May 11 - 11:37 AM

According to David Cameron, PMQs' today, the report is wrong and the government has no intention of denuding the country of its allotments. Can someone de-confuse me?


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Subject: RE: The Bastards Want Our Allotments Now!
From: Mavis Enderby
Date: 04 May 11 - 12:12 PM

Ian - where's the abundance of empty allotments? Up to maybe 5 years ago this might have been the case but more recently there has been a massive increase in uptake, and lengthening waiting lists. Round here, anyway...

Cheers,

Pete.


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Subject: RE: The Bastards Want Our Allotments Now!
From: Geoff the Duck
Date: 04 May 11 - 01:30 PM

Eric Pickles is a slime ball and has been for many years. At one time he was leader of the conservatives on Bradford Council where his red tape cutting included selling off all the old folks homes.
At the time, there had been a hung council, with the Tories having the same number of seats as Labour plus the Liberals. This meant that they could not vote anything drastic through. That was a position which suited the people of Bradford.
The post of Lord Mayor was by agreement between the three parties a non-political post which rotated between the parties and did not vote on any issues. At the meeting where the Mayorship was due to pass from a Tory to the Liberals, Pickles made his tories vote against the Liberal, giving a hung vote, and then made the outgoing Tory Mayor use a casting vote to vote himself back into office for a second term. He then continued to use the same casting vote to push though EVERY change not wanted by the people of Bradford.
He was rewarded by Thatcher by being given a safe Tory seat for the next general election.
His agenda then was to give away the public assets to Tory supporters. His agenda hasn't changed.
Quack!
GtD.


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Subject: RE: The Bastards Want Our Allotments Now!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 May 11 - 03:31 PM

When I first worked for HP (Computers - Not Sauce, OK!) They were an ethical company. The local council (Cheadle, Chesire) wanted HPs NW England offices there so offered them a site in Cheadle Heath. Right on some allotments.

Allotment owners up in arms of course. Bit American mega-corporation stealing land from us! The media had a field day. Until HP pointed out that they were not bothered at all where they went and it was the council who wanted then there. What was more, HP paid for and moved the allotments, soil, sheds, produce, everything, to a site that the owners agreed on, laid on water and electricity to the new site and gave it to the owners rent free for 10 years.

Just goes to show what a bit of publicity can do - even if it is aimed at the wrong people! HP wouldn't do it now of course. But maybe I am only bitter after being made redundant by them. Twice :-)

MP


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Subject: RE: The Bastards Want Our Allotments Now!
From: Musket
Date: 05 May 11 - 04:42 AM

Burton Coggles, it's like I said. In some areas the position is different to others.

The uptake in grow your own is great to see, and now councils will be getting public health as part of their portfolio (if the health bill gets through) it could be said that allotments are something they have a duty to promote as part of their health promotion agenda.

Not wanting to go off on a tangent here, but Geoff the Duck has summed Eric Pickles up in one. I only hope the media have the negatives and documents and are just waiting for the ideal opportunity to expose him for what he is. I have had dealings with him and why is it that what bit of sense he has (he is clever in some ways, don't underestimate him) is so set in a negative cynical self adulating way? His post is one that can make decisions that can do so much good and up to yet, he has either shown contempt for others or sheer incompetence.

Perhaps after today's election, Cameron will be forced into a reshuffle and take the opportunity to promote him out of the way, to somewhere that looks good but is hamstrung to actually do anything. His present portfolio allows him to do things, and that is dangerous.....


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Subject: RE: The Bastards Want Our Allotments Now!
From: olddude
Date: 05 May 11 - 07:53 AM

Lizzie
I want your allotment also, ok everyone kindly sent it to me and I will take care of it ... deal :-)


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