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Knockholt 2011

GUEST,Rob 03 May 11 - 06:31 AM
Richard Bridge 03 May 11 - 06:49 AM
GUEST,Essex Girl 03 May 11 - 09:13 AM
Girl Friday 04 May 11 - 11:03 AM
Richard Bridge 28 May 11 - 05:47 AM
Mick Woods 03 Jun 11 - 03:28 AM
GUEST,Hubert Cummings 03 Jun 11 - 12:23 PM
Richard Bridge 05 Jun 11 - 11:53 AM
Girl Friday 07 Jun 11 - 09:58 AM
melodeonboy 07 Jun 11 - 01:04 PM
Richard Bridge 07 Jun 11 - 01:46 PM
melodeonboy 07 Jun 11 - 02:07 PM
Dead Horse 08 Jun 11 - 03:07 AM
VirginiaTam 08 Jun 11 - 09:22 AM
Girl Friday 08 Jun 11 - 09:38 AM
Girl Friday 08 Jun 11 - 09:40 AM
Richard Bridge 09 Jun 11 - 03:34 AM
Richard Bridge 11 Jun 11 - 07:46 AM
Richard Bridge 12 Jun 11 - 02:52 PM
Pierre Le Chapeau 12 Jun 11 - 07:21 PM
Pierre Le Chapeau 12 Jun 11 - 07:23 PM
Pierre Le Chapeau 12 Jun 11 - 07:28 PM
Richard Bridge 13 Jun 11 - 01:37 AM
Pierre Le Chapeau 13 Jun 11 - 03:25 AM
Richard Bridge 13 Jun 11 - 03:43 AM
Pierre Le Chapeau 13 Jun 11 - 05:54 AM
Richard Bridge 13 Jun 11 - 06:13 AM
GUEST,rachel 13 Jun 11 - 11:17 AM
GUEST 13 Jun 11 - 11:19 AM
Girl Friday 14 Jun 11 - 10:04 AM
GUEST 14 Jun 11 - 01:15 PM
Richard Bridge 14 Jun 11 - 01:38 PM
Girl Friday 14 Jun 11 - 06:51 PM
Pierre Le Chapeau 14 Jun 11 - 07:02 PM
Pierre Le Chapeau 14 Jun 11 - 07:08 PM
Richard Bridge 14 Jun 11 - 11:44 PM
Pierre Le Chapeau 15 Jun 11 - 05:26 AM
Girl Friday 15 Jun 11 - 08:51 AM
GUEST,Essex Girl 15 Jun 11 - 10:49 AM
Richard Bridge 15 Jun 11 - 11:58 AM
GUEST 15 Jun 11 - 12:10 PM
Richard Bridge 15 Jun 11 - 12:38 PM
VirginiaTam 15 Jun 11 - 02:49 PM
Richard Bridge 15 Jun 11 - 04:24 PM
Richard Bridge 15 Jun 11 - 04:36 PM
GUEST 15 Jun 11 - 05:22 PM
Girl Friday 15 Jun 11 - 05:30 PM
Richard Bridge 15 Jun 11 - 08:09 PM
GUEST 16 Jun 11 - 03:06 AM
Richard Bridge 16 Jun 11 - 04:40 AM
VirginiaTam 16 Jun 11 - 07:15 AM
Girl Friday 16 Jun 11 - 09:23 AM
VirginiaTam 16 Jun 11 - 10:58 AM
GUEST,Woodsie 16 Jun 11 - 03:10 PM
Girl Friday 17 Jun 11 - 09:44 AM
GUEST, Richard Bridge in a field on the netbook (j 17 Jun 11 - 03:28 PM
Girl Friday 17 Jun 11 - 04:58 PM
GUEST,bRIDGE 18 Jun 11 - 01:16 AM
GUEST,Woodsie 18 Jun 11 - 06:37 AM
billybob 18 Jun 11 - 07:22 AM
GUEST,Woodsie 18 Jun 11 - 07:41 AM
Girl Friday 18 Jun 11 - 01:01 PM
GUEST, Bridge 18 Jun 11 - 08:26 PM
Girl Friday 19 Jun 11 - 08:23 AM
Richard Bridge 19 Jun 11 - 09:30 AM
VirginiaTam 19 Jun 11 - 11:41 AM
Richard Bridge 19 Jun 11 - 03:23 PM
Girl Friday 21 Jun 11 - 10:09 AM
Pierre Le Chapeau 22 Jun 11 - 04:31 PM
Richard Bridge 22 Jun 11 - 04:36 PM
Pierre Le Chapeau 22 Jun 11 - 05:12 PM
Richard Bridge 23 Jun 11 - 02:23 AM
Richard Bridge 23 Jun 11 - 02:23 AM
Pierre Le Chapeau 23 Jun 11 - 05:30 PM
Pierre Le Chapeau 23 Jun 11 - 05:40 PM
Happy Hare 24 Jun 11 - 07:38 AM
Richard Bridge 24 Jun 11 - 08:33 AM
GUEST,Woodsie 24 Jun 11 - 12:39 PM
Richard Bridge 24 Jun 11 - 08:55 PM
Richard Bridge 24 Jun 11 - 08:56 PM
GUEST,Woodsie 25 Jun 11 - 08:55 AM
Richard Bridge 25 Jun 11 - 01:16 PM
GUEST,Woodsie 26 Jun 11 - 09:06 AM
Richard Bridge 26 Jun 11 - 01:11 PM
GUEST,Woodsie 26 Jun 11 - 01:31 PM
Richard Bridge 26 Jun 11 - 02:09 PM
Mick Woods 27 Jun 11 - 02:13 AM
Richard Bridge 27 Jun 11 - 03:22 AM
GUEST,sal / guest of knockholt 27 Jun 11 - 06:18 AM
Richard Bridge 27 Jun 11 - 11:24 AM
Pierre Le Chapeau 27 Jun 11 - 12:51 PM
Pierre Le Chapeau 27 Jun 11 - 12:53 PM
Richard Bridge 27 Jun 11 - 02:48 PM
Richard Bridge 27 Jun 11 - 05:43 PM
Girl Friday 28 Jun 11 - 06:42 AM
melodeonboy 28 Jun 11 - 07:26 AM
Richard Bridge 28 Jun 11 - 07:28 AM
GUEST,guest rachel 28 Jun 11 - 08:22 AM
Essex Girl 28 Jun 11 - 02:40 PM
Richard Bridge 28 Jun 11 - 04:43 PM
Richard Bridge 28 Jun 11 - 04:52 PM
Pierre Le Chapeau 29 Jun 11 - 03:02 PM
Richard Bridge 29 Jun 11 - 03:08 PM
VirginiaTam 29 Jun 11 - 04:09 PM
Pierre Le Chapeau 29 Jun 11 - 05:29 PM
GUEST,Woodsie 30 Jun 11 - 06:49 AM
Richard Bridge 30 Jun 11 - 08:06 AM
GUEST,woodsie 30 Jun 11 - 09:13 AM
Richard Bridge 30 Jun 11 - 10:38 AM
Girl Friday 30 Jun 11 - 10:51 AM
Girl Friday 30 Jun 11 - 11:03 AM
Richard Bridge 30 Jun 11 - 12:46 PM
Pierre Le Chapeau 30 Jun 11 - 03:53 PM
Richard Bridge 30 Jun 11 - 04:17 PM
Pierre Le Chapeau 30 Jun 11 - 08:32 PM
Mick Woods 01 Jul 11 - 03:39 AM
Mick Woods 01 Jul 11 - 03:46 AM
Richard Bridge 01 Jul 11 - 04:27 AM
melodeonboy 01 Jul 11 - 04:44 AM
Mick Woods 01 Jul 11 - 04:48 AM
Girl Friday 01 Jul 11 - 08:44 AM
Richard Bridge 01 Jul 11 - 02:43 PM
Don(Wyziwyg)T 01 Jul 11 - 03:07 PM
Pierre Le Chapeau 01 Jul 11 - 04:07 PM
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Pierre Le Chapeau 01 Jul 11 - 04:14 PM
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Subject: Knockholt 2011
From: GUEST,Rob
Date: 03 May 11 - 06:31 AM

looks like it will be another great weekend in June - Barrels of free beer in the middle of a field with some of the best musicians in Kent and plenty of free food (thursday)look forward to seeing all my mudcat mates again.


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 03 May 11 - 06:49 AM

Is that Rob the fireater?

Not sure whether free beer has been deleted as an option due to some people taming the piss.


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: GUEST,Essex Girl
Date: 03 May 11 - 09:13 AM

Unlikely to be any free beer this year as we will have drunk it all by then, and the food is not strictly free, it is provided by the campers on a 'bring a dish to share' basis. It's still a great weekend though and all are welcome.There is a small fee for camping and a collection towards running expenses (Portaloos, wood, marquee etc.) on the Saturday night.


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Girl Friday
Date: 04 May 11 - 11:03 AM

We will be there but have to leave lunchtime Saturday. Make sure you get our subs by then, suggest collect money Saturday afternoon, whilst some people are sober/awake/ not down the pub.


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 28 May 11 - 05:47 AM

Is there a date for the autumn equinox Knockers yet? Please PM me rather than post it here in case of - er - you know.

Incidentally, has the traditional authority yet named this year's Knockers (plural) in accordance with custom from time immemorial?


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Subject: Knockholt 2011
From: Mick Woods
Date: 03 Jun 11 - 03:28 AM

15th - 19th June this year, who's going?

I first went to Folkmob's Knockholt campout about 12 years ago. It is a superb field - with excellent facilities. Folkmob provide real decent toilets and a fire to keep everyone warm throughout the whole of the evening. You can watch the sun go down - the stars at night - and the returning early morning sun. Guess how many songs and tunes you can get through during that.

Also, if you get fed up with canned beer and burnt food you can take the short walk down to the Tally Ho Pub for midday meals, early supper or just a real decent pint.

Looking forward to seeing old chums!.


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: GUEST,Hubert Cummings
Date: 03 Jun 11 - 12:23 PM

Nice ...


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 05 Jun 11 - 11:53 AM

I understand that the Autumn one will definitely not be.

Great shame.

I don't know the cost of the grottbottis, but if what I have heard about the wood is right a levy of a quid a head on each attendee would cover that.


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Girl Friday
Date: 07 Jun 11 - 09:58 AM

In honour of Mr Bridge I have named the solstice Knockers....

"Knockholt Flock Fest "


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: melodeonboy
Date: 07 Jun 11 - 01:04 PM

Oh, is he planning to wallpaper his caravan?


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 07 Jun 11 - 01:46 PM

Get plastered


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: melodeonboy
Date: 07 Jun 11 - 02:07 PM

Don't mind if I do! :)


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Dead Horse
Date: 08 Jun 11 - 03:07 AM

Flock Fest?
Will there be sheep?
Should I take wellies?


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 08 Jun 11 - 09:22 AM

just got email at work that there is a stack of pallets which need to be disposed of this month. Anyone have a truck and want to collect from Chelmsford for Knockholt, let me know.


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Girl Friday
Date: 08 Jun 11 - 09:38 AM

I have to collect a slightly smaller supply of kindling wood from my dad, who always manages to have a cement bag or so fulll of it by June


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Girl Friday
Date: 08 Jun 11 - 09:40 AM

Forgot to say - yes, of course there'll be sheep - but hope they'll be securely penned in the next field by then. Bring wellies- as there will be sheep poo in abundance.


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 09 Jun 11 - 03:34 AM

Chainsaw chains in for sharpening.
Hoping to get there Thurs armed with harissa paste.


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 11 Jun 11 - 07:46 AM

Chainsaw chains retrieved from sharpening.

Met-check checked - optimism diminishing...


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 12 Jun 11 - 02:52 PM

Thursday might be OK, saith Met-check.


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Pierre Le Chapeau
Date: 12 Jun 11 - 07:21 PM

'Richard" dont start all that weather predicting Rigmarole?,
:"What a Palaver"?
am I looking forward to this? bugger sept ? get June outa way 1st>

Looking forward t0 a great knockers. and all friends that assemble,/then fall apart?
go for it?
Pierre


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Pierre Le Chapeau
Date: 12 Jun 11 - 07:23 PM

lols


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Pierre Le Chapeau
Date: 12 Jun 11 - 07:28 PM

If I can find pots and pans buried in , I may cook up a Turkey ?
did a nice roast at Piggies? in a thunderstorm?


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 13 Jun 11 - 01:37 AM

Wevva changed - now probably Friday nice most of the day


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Pierre Le Chapeau
Date: 13 Jun 11 - 03:25 AM

Im taking small tent. Rachel has phoned me in tears, she
is in Dartford and south Darrath hospital. Done her back in badly picking something up off the floor>her daughters with her?
!!DAMN!! Looks bad ,in regards to her being able to come and she was so looking forward to it? I curse bad backs??


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 13 Jun 11 - 03:43 AM

Oh bugger! Surely she's too young to have a back as bad as that!

I have just learned that dogsitter is not available Thursday so I will not be able to make it until Friday.


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Pierre Le Chapeau
Date: 13 Jun 11 - 05:54 AM

Rachel on Morphine awaiting doctor? she has had bad back for years Richard?
If its a disc that gone we can both forget Knockholt if its muscle spasms then a muscle relaxant injection and painkillers with do the trick.. she bent down to poick up a iron off the floor to do some irining next thing "BANG" " NOT THE iRON HER BACK???


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 13 Jun 11 - 06:13 AM

Flipping heck - yes, I spent some years faddling about while doctors investigated a disc problem - in the end a sports physio said "lose weight and get fit - which at that stage I did, clanking iron about and stuff, little though you would so think today, and it's been more or less OK ever since. As you say, muscle spasm yields to relaxants and painkillers - and anti-inflammatories help both types.


Moral - don't have babies (it's what kills most womens' backs, that and carying them around on one hip and large handbags) and don't do ironing!


One of my usual sources for chillies failed me for Scotch Bonnets today so even harissa paste is doubtful and I won't be there Thurs for the feast unless I prep something here and drive up specially - and logcutting will be Friday PM at the earliest.


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: GUEST,rachel
Date: 13 Jun 11 - 11:17 AM

True, Richard. Childbirth knackers your back, especially when the buggers are breech!


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Jun 11 - 11:19 AM

I will never iron again


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Girl Friday
Date: 14 Jun 11 - 10:04 AM

I haven't ironed for years. I mostly dress in t shirts... Any creases fall out with wear. Bad news about Rachel's back. If it's disc trouble - been there, and had to retire early from work at 37! I know she is slightly older than that, so, it could be a disc. With luck it heals, (mine was not completely done in),merely prolapsed, but I occasionally get arthritis. It's hurting now, just in sympathy. Also, gone down with sore throat, just as himself is recovering....if better, and weather good, will be there on Thursday.


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Jun 11 - 01:15 PM

i aim to be there even if pete has to wheel me in on a stretcher....


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 14 Jun 11 - 01:38 PM

Will you-all be able to keep the fire going if I don't get my chainsaw there until Friday PM, or do I need to make a special trip Weds or Thurs evening?


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Girl Friday
Date: 14 Jun 11 - 06:51 PM

First the discussion on who is to light the fire, when they light it, and what they light it with must be answered.


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Pierre Le Chapeau
Date: 14 Jun 11 - 07:02 PM

on field wed morn early .I ,ll get kindling and get fire going? should be able to use small logs 1st richard?
if there are any?

we pay for delivery not the logs so thats why they come huge its cheeper but a damn , Palaver?

Im Baking bread in the morning for the feast thursday night. may throw a couple of biscuit tin chickens on BBQ during early thursday.
Meeting partner at midday thursday? hopefully her back will be ok, she is on pain killers and feels better but very sore?

taking small tent weather wise the big chateau is not worth worrying about, in regards to drying out and putting away?

lets all have a great knockers looking forward to seeing everyone?
bugger the weather wear thermals or raincoats no need to be cold or wet if one dresses properly?

hopefully frame for marquee be up wed nigh and the canvas on when more hands hit the field? the Marquee a sodding PALAVER but essential for music and day time jams which will run this year> no pub this year apart from saturday afternoon? and wed afternoon. once I ve pitched? wed simply because there wont be any one there? must try the Larkins ?
right Im off to bed gott be up like a baker in the morning to bake bread> already done dry mix, I think I,ll make herbie bread " Sage and garlic?


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Pierre Le Chapeau
Date: 14 Jun 11 - 07:08 PM

Just done weather check???
'FOREST GODS IT DONT LOOK GOOD"?
could change by tomorrow? we will see?


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 14 Jun 11 - 11:44 PM

Today (Weds) might be tolerable. Saturday might also, but Fri night is looking biblical. Maybe I ought to try to get up this evening with chainsaw.

Going back to bed now.


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Pierre Le Chapeau
Date: 15 Jun 11 - 05:26 AM

contrary to what weather check says the morning here aint too bad? watered veg and herb patch. herbs this year on site for culinary uses are/

Tarragon, Sage. Chives. Mint. coriander.
picked this very morn from herb garden. if you want any please ask I have lots and they will be on strings hanging off tree>/

I am also bringing BBQ and coals? CATS BUGGERED OFF HE H=GETS UPSET WHEN HE SEES CAMPING GEAR IN PASSAGEWAY.


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Girl Friday
Date: 15 Jun 11 - 08:51 AM

Us cats are very sensitive... especially the small domesticated moggies.
The two next door sit and wait for someone to come home. If I am out, they sit outside my front door.

I went out to the shops, thinking it will rain soon, but none here thus far. Not feeling well enough to come to Knockholt though. Pete, take great care with that lady of yours please. Don't let her sit / lie/ stand for any length of time. Have a good Flock Fest !


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: GUEST,Essex Girl
Date: 15 Jun 11 - 10:49 AM

Latest forecast states "heavy rain on Friday daytime,showers Thursday PM and scattered showers on Saturday but clear on all nights"! Of course knowing our weather forecasters that could change daily.


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 15 Jun 11 - 11:58 AM

I am back in trouble with my kidney stone again - I know now that I only have to wait for the pain to stop so I can do that, but I was going to make an interim trip to Knockers to cut the wood with my chainsaw and I probably won't be able to get up there with the vardo until Friday.

Unless the pain goes off.

Is there anyone personally known to me and safe with a chainsaw who could borrow mine and make the trip to do that, or is this year's wood small enough that it can wait?

Actually, the pain may be going off a bit now, but better to have a plan B just in case... - so contact me first before just rolling up.


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Jun 11 - 12:10 PM

Message from Pete....the fire's alight!!!!!
As for me, I've been hallucinating on Diazepan and Tramadol, not to mention the morphine which is still in my system. Apparently, according to my children, I've been ranting about multiplying spiders and killer trees. Who needs magic mushrooms!!! Went to osteopath this morning and things are definately easier in my lower back. Hope to get down there sometime in the next day or 2. It's not my disc,it's muscle spasm so no serious harm donexx


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 15 Jun 11 - 12:38 PM

Well done Rachel.

If it's muscle spasm and there is no current disc damage (check with Dr and physio first), try what saved me back in the late 80s - strenuous loss of weight (I lost about 4 stone on allegedly dangerous "micro-diets") and at the same time was clunking metal about in a gym - being careful however with situps which are hell on backs.

I even got quite pleased with my body shape back then!


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 15 Jun 11 - 02:49 PM

to help Richard feel better

Super Sheep


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 15 Jun 11 - 04:24 PM

Obviously worked. I was OK enough to go to the field and cut up enough wood that I think it will last until the next forecast dry spell on Saturday afternoon!


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 15 Jun 11 - 04:36 PM

Ooh, forecast on the move - there might be some dry tomorrow PM so I might be back for more cutting, and there might be some dry on Freddy before 4 pm.


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Jun 11 - 05:22 PM

Thanks, Richard. I needed the incentive to shed a few stone. Pete's been trying to help me, bless him. It's not a cosmetic thing, although I'd love to be a size 12 (i.e. pre-children!), but at my age..the grand old age of 46, it's time i took care of myself for my health's sake. So it's joining David Llyod gym and taking up cycling again.
Hope you're feeling better with those kidney stones and look forward to seeing you soonxx


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Girl Friday
Date: 15 Jun 11 - 05:30 PM

Mark and Frank may come up on Saturday afternoon. Hope you won't all be at the pub.


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 15 Jun 11 - 08:09 PM

You can't possibly be 46!

Not being funny (I mean look at me) but don't go to a poncy gym. Go to the local place where the freaks go. They are serious. And they will just love to help an innocent female!

Cycling is hell on back (think of posture). I suggest a different sustainable exercise - I (then) did walking and jogging and got into exploring rights of way (hard for you Londoners).


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Jun 11 - 03:06 AM

Ok, walking it is then. Got a trip planned in the Yorkshire Dales (Pennine Way) in August. Think I'd get bored in the gym anyway.
As....for me being 46, working in a women's refuge with a load of hypervigilent, and unregulated children; where everyone looks haggard and stressed,I have the privilege of leaving that place every evening, putting my feet up in the bath and having a large glass of wine and some visualisation techniques. Works wonders. The elixir of youth.


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 16 Jun 11 - 04:40 AM

Gym actually makes you feel good - the whatever it is chemicals the body produces when working really intensely leave you feeling quite "pumped up" for a few hours. It was a good feeling. It will also strengthen the relevant muscles in the back and that may well be important for you.

As well as prowling around with the dogs for about half an hour a day (back then) on weekdays and for about an hour a time at weekends with an ordnance survey map, every weekday I used to walk briskly for half an hour each way from the bus-stop or train stop in London to the office. I stayed ten stone for several years that way, between about 1988 and 1992/3 (ie age of 40 to 45). The working lunches at Tarlo Lyons with sandwiches with fattening fillings and my hatred of wasted food were my undoing! Downhill all the way after that.

I have no idea what a "visualisation technique" is.

By the way do set a cookie on your computer or remember to sign in by name every time or the mods will get grumpy!


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 16 Jun 11 - 07:15 AM

I was thinking same re Rachel's age. More like 36.

We have had a change of plan. Crowsister and I will be on campground tonight. Problem is, no time to shop or prep for group meal tonight. So I'll boil up some hotdogs for thesilentone after he sets up van. He has to be back home tonight for work tomorrow.


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Girl Friday
Date: 16 Jun 11 - 09:23 AM

Well, I'm still coughing, and spluttering, with headache. Hope to be feeling better for Seven Stars on Saturday. Weather's a bit changeable today innit?

Just seen this on Yahoo - one sheep between three men


Sheep Rescue


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 16 Jun 11 - 10:58 AM

aarrrgghhhh... lost map to knockholt...

will just look for Tally Ho pub, I guess.


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: GUEST,Woodsie
Date: 16 Jun 11 - 03:10 PM

See y'at The & Stars - Knockholt without Kenningham - I don't kmow ...


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Girl Friday
Date: 17 Jun 11 - 09:44 AM

Kenningham's asked for a floor spot. Don't think he went to Knockers


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: GUEST, Richard Bridge in a field on the netbook (j
Date: 17 Jun 11 - 03:28 PM

Soggy!


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Girl Friday
Date: 17 Jun 11 - 04:58 PM

Thinking of you all. Rain seems constant, so despite being a little fed up with being indoors, we're happy. Been cold today. Despite thermometer reading 70... it felt like winter. How many of you are up there? Was the feast well attended ?


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: GUEST,bRIDGE
Date: 18 Jun 11 - 01:16 AM

ACTUALLY TWERP GUEST THERE ARE A COUPLE HERE WHO REALLY ARE GOOD


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: GUEST,Woodsie
Date: 18 Jun 11 - 06:37 AM

Appalling: causing extreme dismay, horror, or revulsion

There are some bad singers (me for one) but ye don't have to be placido Domingo to have fun at folkmob.


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: billybob
Date: 18 Jun 11 - 07:22 AM

Wish I could be there! Have fun xx
Wendy


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: GUEST,Woodsie
Date: 18 Jun 11 - 07:41 AM

I wish I could be there as well - hope ye don't get bogged in!


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Girl Friday
Date: 18 Jun 11 - 01:01 PM

It's looking fairly like they might.... hope they don't.


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: GUEST, Bridge
Date: 18 Jun 11 - 08:26 PM

The Volvo I am using this time has a locking diff


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Girl Friday
Date: 19 Jun 11 - 08:23 AM

Jolly good idea. Did you have the thunderstorm yesterday ?


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 19 Jun 11 - 09:30 AM

There were some very sharp showers, but Saturday night made up for it all!


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 19 Jun 11 - 11:41 AM

Had a lovely time despite the van springing a leak and having the headache from hell most of Friday.

Feast was well attended. Pierre le Chappeau's chicken was melt in the mouth good.

Field did not stay soggy, but the clear nights Thursday and Saturday meant it was cold cold at night.

Really love the intimacy and long time stories from Knockholt veterans, though some were very much missed. You know who you are.

Getting the van out this morning was a dawdle. Sorry I couldn't stay to help with clearing the field this morning, 2 of our party of 3 were not feeling very well. I can't speak for Crowsister but I am still feeling quite rough.

Looking forward to Autumn Gold and happy to hear it is back on. Hopefully it won't take us 4 hours to get from mid Essex to campsite on Friday evening.


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 19 Jun 11 - 03:23 PM

Wasn't the fire glorious?


I'm trying to work out roughly how many people were there (and how many camping units) each night.

Weds, I was in and out with the chainsaw and did not stop but I think it was 4 units and 10 people.

Thurs I was not there but am guesstimating 6 units and 15 people.

Fri - I was physically present but a little unaware(!) but I think 10 or 11 units and maybe 24 people

Sat - definitely 15 units and I think I counted 42 round the campfire but maybe not all stopped to camp.

So in total roughly 35 unit/nights and 90 people/nights.

Given the weather predictions we had been facing I can't imagine it ever being fewer.

Assuming all goes well with the new committee and the plans for Equinox - and the new "self-financing" basis - it still looks like its going to be a great cheap DIY weekend.


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Girl Friday
Date: 21 Jun 11 - 10:09 AM

Thanks Tam and Richard for the reports. The turnout was excellent, given the weather conditions. Did Pierre do his lime chicken? That was gorgeous, and that comes from someone who doesn't go a bundle on chook.
Generally, it's tasteless, and dry, but when cooked with herbs, and spices, it can be nice. Glad that the Autumn Camp is back on again.
Hope to see some of you at Crayside on Saturday.


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Pierre Le Chapeau
Date: 22 Jun 11 - 04:31 PM

It was a superb knockholt ,the fire stayed alight through out each down pour. Those Logs were huge so thanks to Richard for cutting them down to size in what was on occasions in pouring rain and on 2 accessions a right down pour whereby he had to seek shelter and eat a welcomed Sausage and Rocket sandwich and halt cutting temporarily for safety
reasons ?
The feast was great and all the food tasted lovely well done.
The field posed no problem in regards to getting on and off despite the weather.
People moaned the fire was not hot, remember folks we are arguable camped on the highest point in all Kent so the heat from the fire does not come out it goes straight up into a cold sky? You wont benefit from the knockholt fire at all wear good warm clothes and a layer of thermals ? only on a windless warm night will you warm from the fire. Fact. We had Elm this year which burns lovely and hot but not on a barren summit on a clear windy nigh?

Look forward to all this again in September.
Regards to all Pierre Le Chapeau.


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 22 Jun 11 - 04:36 PM

Oh I think that fire was HOT. There was a period when many new logs were added and they were shading people from the heat, but the flames were licking up about 12 feet high - I have photo on phone to prove it. I'm sure that Ken has many pix too - he seemed to be filming a lot.


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Pierre Le Chapeau
Date: 22 Jun 11 - 05:12 PM

Ken always does film a lot, he enjoys the singing and playing. Indeed the Saturday night was a break for us all weather wise ?

I think in regards to the Marquee which went up very quickly and like wise on the Sunday came down very quickly was a gathering point for a lot of people. in inclement climate?

its a Bloody Palaver putting the Marquee up and I agree a modern set of electrical tools would make a difference with the erection? but would electrical tools fit between the poles /frame work and the nuts and bolts?? its would make the job much quicker without fiddling about with spanners? but we tried a metric socket set one year and the thing would touch the nuts ?

Im pleased there were no logs to man handle on the Sunday the few that remained I imagine were taken home which saves some folk a lot of heavy lifting?


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 23 Jun 11 - 02:23 AM

The trick for the marquee will be a new set of bolts with allen heads, then the short straight allen keys that go into an electric drill...


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 23 Jun 11 - 02:23 AM

The trick for the marquee will be a new set of bolts with allen heads, then the short straight allen keys that go into an electric drill...


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Pierre Le Chapeau
Date: 23 Jun 11 - 05:30 PM

Yes i agree?
The existing bolts sit next to useless? rounded off to buggery.
I know a quicker way which I suggested ' GAFFA TAPE '? not joking done it B4? RE frame tent?
regards
Pierre Le Chapeau.


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Pierre Le Chapeau
Date: 23 Jun 11 - 05:40 PM

We had a huge event years ago at Chislehurst caves? all that Palaver that goes with a huge event? any way the reception Marquee came without fixings? / very + event organizers)
+= CROSS) i simply suggested Gaffa tape?
Whacko I was hero /soon forgotten?


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Happy Hare
Date: 24 Jun 11 - 07:38 AM

Quite a few familiar faces missing this time, and we were in danger of growing webbed feet. However thanks to Richard Bridges fine efforts, trees were transformed into logs, so we were able to get round the fire during dryish spells.
Music was good and varied, as was the saturday meal,so we enjoyed.
However I would like to remind all the abscent Folk Mobbers of
Ethel Mermans words 'If you dont use it you lose it'.
So come and enjoy thr next Knockers.


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 24 Jun 11 - 08:33 AM

Sue is having th following put on the Folkmob website;

""KNOCKERS" COMES OF AGE

The Knockholt camps have been running now for 18 years. We began back in 1993 and I think there were about 11 of us that first time as well as an assortment of our various children. We used an old ridge tent as our kitchen and shelter (some of us are posing in front of it in the photo I took with Dave's camera) and our WC was a bucket in a toilet tent. We'd graduated to a porta potti by the second year but emptying it down a drain at the bottom of the field was still a very nasty job. As the Folk Club grew in numbers there were more members wanting to sample the Knockholt experience so we decided to hire a couple of toilets financed by the club funds, but in the early years we foraged for our wood and rubbish clearance wasn't an issue, so that was our only outlay apart from the farmer's fee (which has never increased).
Over the years Knockholt became increasingly popular and we welcomed into our midst extended families, neighbours and other friends from the folk world, all of whom added a little something to the Knockholt magic but which also meant it became necessary to hire 4 toilets for the June camp and 3 for September as well as buying in wood and hiring a skip for the rubbish. We bought a new marquee which was cheaper than hiring one for two camps – but it needed some maintenance. Gradually the cost of running the camps increased until last year we tipped the scales at over a thousand pounds (which did include some one-off items like a new reliable hose) – still financed by the Folk club funds. The money collected from campers (£4 per unit per night) all went to the farmer for the use of his field.
Like all good things the "Knockers Fest" is still evolving but in recent years the balance has gradually shifted - where once Folkmob regulars made up the majority of the Knockholt stalwarts that is no longer the case so it now seems the time is right for Knockholt to fly the Folkmob nest and become financially independent of the club. To ensure that the camps continue to thrive they need to be financed by those of us who attend and derive so much pleasure from the events.
After an impromptu meeting in the marquee last weekend, where everyone present was very supportive and helpful in formulating the plans for the new self financing system, it was decided that this September's camp will still go ahead. The autumn camp will be a bit of a test run to see if our calculations are correct in predicting that we can reliably cover the costs. Expenditures are largely fixed, but income depends entirely on how many come. If it is too tight then charges will have to go up in future, but if there is a significant surplus then charges may if it is prudent go down. Details and examples follow.

A Knockholt committee was formed consisting of –
Sue and Mick Forde
Pat and Debbie Ormsby
Richard Bridge
Linda Smith
Alan Austen
Dave Kenningham
Jim Radford

SEPTEMBER KNOCKHOLT
Wednesday 7th to Sunday 11th

£5.00 PER PERSON PER NIGHT PLUS £5.00 PER UNIT PER NIGHT



FOR EXAMPLE
One person camping 1 night - £10
Two people sharing a unit camping 1 night - £15.......(£5 per person plus £5 for unit)
Three people sharing a unit camping 1 night - £20.......(£5 per person plus £5 for unit)
And so on

One person camping 2 nights - £20
Two people sharing a unit camping 2 nights - £30......(£10 per person plus £10 for unit)
And so on

One person camping 3 nights - £30
Two people sharing a unit camping 3 nights - £45......(£15 per person plus £15 for unit)
And so on"


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: GUEST,Woodsie
Date: 24 Jun 11 - 12:39 PM

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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 24 Jun 11 - 08:55 PM

What's your problem Woodsie?


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 24 Jun 11 - 08:56 PM

Refresh for parallelism
    Threads combined. -Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: GUEST,Woodsie
Date: 25 Jun 11 - 08:55 AM

My problem would be £10 a night!


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 25 Jun 11 - 01:16 PM

It seems very reasonable to me. There are four potential answers to you Woodsie if it really is a problem. I say four but there may be more.

1. Find £10 per night rather than (for example and not by way of limitation) spending £50 in the Tally Ho.

2. Share with another person in your unit to reduce the cost to £7.50 per night (less than the cost of three pints).

3. Persuade the Folkmob committee to reinstate the or a subsidy

4. Hope that cost reduction is possible - one possibility is to replace the skip with me making a tip run with my trailer. But the wood is already a real bargain, and cost cutting on the grottibottis is likely to be most unattractive - I remember your views the year that they were - er - badly polluted by an overindulger.


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: GUEST,Woodsie
Date: 26 Jun 11 - 09:06 AM

The Tally Ho pub is one of the most enjoyable experiences at Knockholt and any amount that I choose to spend there is value for money and nothing to do with paying £40 to sleep in a field with minimum/zero facilities that is not value for money. A skip? never needed it in the previouse 12 years that I went. Yes and I was usually one of the two or three there on the last Sunday helping Mick Forde with clearing the final ashes. I don't wish to subsidise iresponsible people who can't be bothered to clear their own shit when leaving the field.

By the way, the cost of camping was £3 rising to £4 around 2001 not always £4 as it says above/below. When I was a regular attendee/committe member of folkmob I paid £2 / £1 weekly fee and bought at least 1 raffle ticket ans as myself and Dave Kenningham went EVERY week that came to at least £130 a year. The wood and portaloos were paid for from this money as were the upkeep of the PA system and underwriting of guest nights with lower than expected turnout. There was always still a healthy balnce at the end of the year. This whole putting the price up thing has come about in recent years due to new people appointing themselves to the Folkmob committe (no vote taken for years now) Some of these people newcomers despise subsidising "outsiders" who don't contribue during the year! I will not name them but they have actually told me this. I myself have always looked upon most of the non-folkmob regulars as "invited guests" and it's great to bring more diversity to the event - apart from a few occasions when we have had certain undesirables.

I is sad to see this event, which used to be the highlight of my year - seperate itself from the folkmob.


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 26 Jun 11 - 01:11 PM

If the problem is the new Folkmob committee, Woodsie, the remedy is in the members' hands.

Incidentally I did join once. Am I still ipso fact a member? If I am you might well have my vote if there were relevant pro-Knockholt votes.

But if Folkmob are not prepared to subsidise Knockholt (and at present it seems they are not) then Knockholt must sink or swim for itself. And it is still the highlight of my year.

But I just don't see the point of spending huge amounts in the pub - you can do that any time but you can only sit round the campfire and sing at Knockholt. If you are going to spend £50 on two consecutive days (so making £100) in the pub it seems odd to carp at camping at £10 per night - including loos cold water and a lovely fire.


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: GUEST,Woodsie
Date: 26 Jun 11 - 01:31 PM

Fair point Richard. However the old membership list was dissolved by the new regime. I did at one time maintain a membership list on an excel spreadsheet (you were on that) I offered it to the junta and was told "no thanks we are compiling our own list" I still attend folkmob now and then and perform regularly with the founder (the great DK) but will not waste the time, money and effort that I put in during the golden years at The Tudor Barn.


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 26 Jun 11 - 02:09 PM

Useful point.

Have you still got the list and who are the junta and how do I contact them?


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Mick Woods
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 02:13 AM

I will dig it out and email you. I won't name people here. Let's just say that "voting" for anything is not on their agenda - one of the reasons I walked out of the AGM a couple of years ago!


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 03:22 AM

Cheers mate. Do you keep abreast of the folkmob facebook page?


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: GUEST,sal / guest of knockholt
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 06:18 AM

hello peeps, how do I contact the sue & mick forde? we had some nice polite guests at pigs ear this year and I would like to request an invitation for them to join us at this autumn's knockholt if possible. i've explained that it's a private party and the contribution (current charge as listed here) is just to help keep it running. if anyone has a contact addy for me, maybe you could give it to tam to pass on? as a guest who really appreciates this event, i understand the need for increased charges but if it's gonna be a tenner a night for me next year, i'm not kipping in a tiddly little hiking tent again while everyone else is living in luxury in their vans, it's big comfy tent time!


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 11:24 AM

I have advised VT accordingly


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Pierre Le Chapeau
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 12:51 PM

folkmob member who dont attend folkmob are asking why there subs and raffle money should be used to sponsor knockholt?"Fair enough. they would rather spend there money on guest performances>Fair enough?Thats why knockholts gone away from folkmob its what the majority of the members want because there not keen on camping and if they were once they aint now??

so be it fund it ourselves ?What is the issue?? 'What a Palaver' 1. iSSUE move it ahead to after i CAN SEE IS THAT SOME MAY NOT BE ABLE TO AFFORD IT ?
4 TOILETS why. make do with two? sod skip? regards Pierre?


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Pierre Le Chapeau
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 12:53 PM

sorry read past Move it ahead?


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 02:48 PM

Skip - - there may be a plan - involving my trailer although it will mean more circular tours for me and Volvos - but I enjoy driving my Volvos anyway.

If you were there the night of the M - - - C - - - - (fill in the blanks) dysentry attack you will realise why economising on the bogs is not a good plan. September only gets 3 anyway.

If we show a surplus in September then next year will be cheaper: there is no plan to make a profit, but it would be nice to have a cash cushion so that if there is an event with low turnout or an unexpected expense the committee do not have to put their hands in their own pockets.

The calculations have been done on the basis of the low turnout this summer, so if numbers do rise costs will be able to go down.


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 05:43 PM

Pete - I have a plan - become Pierre le chateau and let out spare rooms...


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Girl Friday
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 06:42 AM

Seems tent sharing could be a viable option . You would have to know, and trust your tentmate implicitely, and not be worried by snoring / trips to the loo, etc. Several trips a night seemed one good reason for getting a caravan, warmth was another one.


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: melodeonboy
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 07:26 AM

I'm gonna get you in my tent, tent, tent tent, tent
Where we can both experiment, ment, ment, ment, ment
Yeah, yeah, it's so convinent, ent, ent, ent
Let's take a taxi to my tent

Oh yeah, my love is so insatiable
In a stoic sort of way
But my baby is as beautiful
As a tourniquée

I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna
I'm gonna get you in my tent, tent, tent tent, tent
Whoa, whoa, it's only common sense, sense, sense
I know that you won't mind the stench, stench, stench
Of the sacrament

Go on, let this love destroy her
I can't control this paranoia
I have to get a showbiz lawyer
To stop me
Spill, smash, smash, spill, spill, drug, wipe, wipe, trap, scream, tear, spit, shout
TENT! TENT!

You'll be laughing like a lunatic
The judge got away
If only I could win this
At an auto café

I'm gonna get you in my tent, tent, tent tent, tent
Find out where the weasels went, went, went, went, went
We'll fill his hospice with cement, ment, ment, ment
And dance the tango in my tent!

(Bonzo Dog Band)


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 07:28 AM

Bids accepted for 8-man Lillywhite Frowde scout tent - in need of some TLC...


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: GUEST,guest rachel
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 08:22 AM

no vacancies!


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Essex Girl
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 02:40 PM

The folkmob committee have always discussed things fully and every member of Folkmob has a chance to put up for election. Mick, I seem to remember that although you were at last years AGM, you did not wish to be on he committee. Unfortunately owing to Sue's incapacity we have suspended the committee for the time being.
I agree that the sums for Knockholt going forward might seem a bit steep,compared to what we have been paying but if we want it to continue we have to fund it ourselves. I suggest holding a fund raiser somewhere. Any suggestions?


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 04:43 PM

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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 04:52 PM

Presumably (and I think I am a Folkmob member from decades back) the committe could be recalled by a vote of no confidence at an EGM - but it may depend on the constitution. I can see me needing to hunt for a copy of Daly's "Club Law".

Sue seemed fine if a bit hobbled at Knockholt.

I hate the expression "going forward" but I am sure (which means "I don't know") that the costings are open (I don't like the word "transparent" in this context either).

If I go for say 3 nights, it will cost me £30. Bargain of the century. I'd have gone to double that. And if I get my trailer rebuild so the skip cost vanishes, and if we get more people than the historically low June turnout, the cost per head/unit per night WILL drop. No-one wanted to land anyone with having to fund a shortfall in revenue, and I'm sure (and this time I mean I DO know) that that is right.

Play the game chaps.

But yes, I'm up for a fundraiser. Have PA rig too if FM are not going to lend theirs.


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Pierre Le Chapeau
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 03:02 PM

LETS FUND IT OURSELVES IT MAY START SLOW BUT I BELEIVE IT WILL CATCH ON RE STARTING SLOW lets have 2 bogs. will folkmob let us have the Marquee that is my main concern?


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 03:08 PM

Good question. I had assumed so. It is amortised so FM have no marginal cost, and Sue has budgeted for it to be fetched and carried.

I await more boginformation.

I must get on with the trailer repairs: I have wasted a fair bit of time today repairing PA gear.


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 04:09 PM

I know I am not a member of Folkmob, but I would like to be a card carrying member of the Flockmob at Knockholt.

1. TheSilentOne and I think the proposed charge is very reasonable.

2. Two portaloos is two too few. I had to do some cleaning in 2 of them several times to get them useable this last camp.
Tip for number 2 users, lay some loo roll down in the bowl before you go and then all slips down quite easily when you flush.

3. Fundraiser - I am all for raising some fun(ds).

4. I will pm Sue on FB re guest Sal's inquiry. BTW the guests mentioned were our guests at Piggies.


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Pierre Le Chapeau
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 05:29 PM

back in June.Re toilets due to cock up? not folkmobs fault.

I had to crap in flint pit on wednesday not sommit i like ? 3 bogs would do and no skip?
take rubbish home and burn planet friendly stuff?

if folk arrive for one night charge em a fiver a head and if they dont like it send em packing? when I was a kid I was told to chuck a tanner on a farmers land to be on it for passage.
then you must move on? £5 .00 seems great for noon campers.

day/night visitors welcome but must pay?

I have been paying subs for years down folk mob too keep this thing alive because it wonderful?
regards Pierre Le Chapeau>


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: GUEST,Woodsie
Date: 30 Jun 11 - 06:49 AM

That's exactly my point Peter. I paid my subs for years at FM as I said earlier - If not funding Knockholt - as set out in the constitution - where is the money going? If it is to fund guests that cannot draw enough supporters to cover their fee then the argument that it's not fair to subsidise a bit of firewoods and 3 or 4 potrtaloos for the campers doesn't hold water. Yes I would pay £50+ for the few days at KH. But in principle To be expected to pay up to £130 a year to subsidise minority appeal guests, Bring your own food to Xmas party and pay for Knockholt is too much to askof loyal folkmob attendees (sadly no me these days) Why not call the new set-up The Knockholt Club with Mick F as honarary chairman and have an elected committee of 4 or 5 people who must have something to contribute.


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 30 Jun 11 - 08:06 AM

It's all a bit ad hoc at the moment, but there is an ad hoc committee and I suppose Sue is ad hoc chair. Elections are something to think about, but I'm not immediately clear how to organise them if wanted.

Personally (this is not a committee opinion) I'd be tempted to suggest, if there was to be a voting system, a weighted voting system with voter registration slips posted out after each Knockholt to paying attendees on the basis of their payments - valid I imagine for a year so that people who went to both events in the year would have more votes than those who went to one. BUT that would introduce considerable administration work and postage cost. AND...

I also suppose that a constitution would be needed (formally to create the committee) and then an elected committee, which would then adopt or amend the constitution, and there's need to be rights to call committee or general meetings.

It's all getting to sound a bit like hard work.

Maybe since Mick and Sue have the in with the farmer it is more sense to stay a benevolent dictatorship...



I haven't seen the FM constitution recently although I vaguely remember it used to be on the or an old website. Does it call for Knockholt? It would be an interesting issue as I don't suppose there is a mechanism set out to change the constitution...


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: GUEST,woodsie
Date: 30 Jun 11 - 09:13 AM

The folkmob constitution was written by myself back in 2002 and presented to the then committee for amendmenrs/alteration - none were made. This was a reaction to pressure from thr council, who had written to the management of the Tudor Barn stating in effect that if we were running as a private club to be exempt fron the then "Two In A Bar" rule - we needed a constitution. None of the committee ever made ANY amendments - these were usually made by myself to reflect changes such as the move to the rugby club etc. I left the meeting a couple of years ago because I considered it to be unconstitutional - no votes taken just a free for all anybody could be on the committee even a bloke that only came to the club a few times and couldn't be bothered to come to the meeting was put on the committe!


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 30 Jun 11 - 10:38 AM

Have you still got it?

And was there not a hiatus at the time of the move from the barn, so that arguably the old Folkmob ceased to exist and a new one came into being?

I wonder where I can get a copy of Daly's club law!


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Girl Friday
Date: 30 Jun 11 - 10:51 AM

Not Daly's, but club law from Amazon

Club Law


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Girl Friday
Date: 30 Jun 11 - 11:03 AM

How on earth, and who can police day visitors in order to charge them ?

Everyone camps too far away from the gate. However many advance tickets are sold, there are always the last minute people who turn up.

As for cutting the number of bogs.... it was me who suggested we need 4 in the summer... three is the absolute minimum. We should not have to be cleaning them all the time if people were more considerate. V.T. has a good point about paper usage. On past camps I've noticed that the washing (hands) water has often run out because people wash and brush up, and blokes shave in them. What's wrong with a washing up bowl in front of your uinit chaps? It's all cold anyway, but you could boil a kettle for washing.

Always bring spare loo rolls too, then there'd be enough to go round.


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 30 Jun 11 - 12:46 PM

Shave? What's that?

In theory paper-lining ought not to be necessary if you follow the instructions and flush before as well as after.

Bog-rolls are in the budget.

The consensus on day-trippers is that it is indeed too much hassle to try to ticket them but that an honesty bucket should go round in the hope that conscience strikes.


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Pierre Le Chapeau
Date: 30 Jun 11 - 03:53 PM

I have never heard such a fiasco about toilets??
How many people poo and pee at the same time?
I have never waited at a loo at knockholt even back in the days when I first went when the event on a friday and sat evening was busier then it is these days? two Loos in September would be ample? forest gods we are a foilk gathering not a herd of Braciasaurus?

also I hate to change thing but weather wise?
considering the way the weather has been in June for the last two years it may be worth while considering a movement of the event too a fortnight later in June when it appears the weather is glorious? or if thats too much maybe the wed immediately after the longest day rather then before? The weather is changing maybe we should change the event dates> Has we are not apart of folkmob anymore I can foresee this being a bonus weather wise?

Before anyone leaps down my throat in regards to changing things sometimes one has too consider do you want nice weather or a wash out? Remember folk are put off by weather has was clearly apparent this June?


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 30 Jun 11 - 04:17 PM

I can't really see celebrating the Summer solstice a fortnight later, somehow. And I think the weather in England is a lottery anyway.


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Pierre Le Chapeau
Date: 30 Jun 11 - 08:32 PM

A simple answer is wonderful, Lets keep it has it is ,Only suggesting?
regards Pierre.


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Mick Woods
Date: 01 Jul 11 - 03:39 AM

As Peter said it has to be as it always has!


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Mick Woods
Date: 01 Jul 11 - 03:46 AM

I have never known anybody to shave in the portaloo. The water is usually pretty dodgey and there would be a risk of infection. I always wash my hands in my own water bowl. As far as the weather goes, in the last 12 years there has only been one washout in the June event - there have certainly been scorchers in june and washouts tend to occur more often in the September camp.


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 01 Jul 11 - 04:27 AM

Most blokes don't shave at Knockers - or if they do use battery electric shavers, so although no doubt if the phenomenon has been observed it is real I don't see it as being likely to be a major contributor to water use. But maybe if the water in the basins in the grottibottis is that bad we should run the hose through them on arrival.

September 2008 - the weekend of my 60th birthday - was unremittingly dire, wevvawise.

This June was pretty iffy until Saturday.


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: melodeonboy
Date: 01 Jul 11 - 04:44 AM

Ah! If it's a washout, then those that want to shave can shave in the rain and thereby avoid infection!

Simples! :)


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Mick Woods
Date: 01 Jul 11 - 04:48 AM

But as Richard says = it's a lottery whatever date is chosen - but on average the June weather has been good.


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Girl Friday
Date: 01 Jul 11 - 08:44 AM

Richard's 60th was I believe the one attended by Norcsalordie, it being Martin's birthday too. Think we only came up for the one evening then... probably due to the wevva. One of the bogs had worse than stale... fetid water as reported by Paul, and confirmed by me. That's part of why the supplier was changed. Is there still trouble in that direction?
I can assure you, that on the occasion I was referring to in my previous post... there were whiskers in the sink, and the water had run out by the weekend.


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 01 Jul 11 - 02:43 PM

But what if it had been say a person of gender shaving her - legs?


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 01 Jul 11 - 03:07 PM

""Pete - I have a plan - become Pierre le chateau and let out spare rooms...""

Alternatively he could become Pierre le Crapeau, and sleep for free in the nearest pond, stream or ditch.



Don T.


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Pierre Le Chapeau
Date: 01 Jul 11 - 04:07 PM

How about Pierre Le Rigmarole,
in regards to folk keep harping on about bogs? I use a Philips
electric saver which I fully charge b4 I attend and it lasts the whole 4 days? Hairs in the sink think your self lucky you should see what I have seen in a Portaloo sink. Your eyes would clearly pop out your back side? The toilets at Piggies this year were very good. with only 1 being useable? Knockholt bogs were ok too apart from not arriving on the wednesday and had to crap in flint piy and then bury it? Palaver


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Pierre Le Chapeau
Date: 01 Jul 11 - 04:10 PM

Re above.
Only one loo useable at Piggies come sunday


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Pierre Le Chapeau
Date: 01 Jul 11 - 04:14 PM

Thats Luxury believe me?


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: melodeonboy
Date: 01 Jul 11 - 05:05 PM

What if the whiskers in the sink had come from a stray cat?


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 01 Jul 11 - 05:21 PM

What, not pussy?


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Pierre Le Chapeau
Date: 01 Jul 11 - 05:52 PM

In days of old,
when knights were bold ?
An Toilets were not invented.

They dug a hole ,Beside the road and shat their quite contented?
They wiped there Arse upon the Grass,
Once again they adorned there armor ,
All that me Lord for a simple shit?

Good God man ' Whata Palaver


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Subject: RE: Knockholt 2011
From: Girl Friday
Date: 07 Jul 11 - 06:05 PM

Very good Pierre.... you are truly , one of "the Great Romantics"


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