BS: Dog Bites Face - Another life counted?

Subject: BS: Dog Bites Face - Another life counted?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 13 May 11 - 02:16 AM

OK: dog with leash and collar in our yard, so I called him over and made nice noises (he came over right away), then after a bit carefully reached for the leash (carefully in case he snapped at my hand) and instead he turned into Cujo and leaped straight at my face, biting me on the nose and chin - he got my whole face in his mouth. Top teeth into top of nose, bottom teeth into bottom of chin. Made a *very* interesting kind of Thunk sound... Knocked me right on my back. He did not ride me down, or try to bite again, or even hold on with the bite he took, it was like a snakebite he retracted so fast. And he immediately looked like Oops, I shouldn't have done that. But, there was quite a bit of blood and the dog just looked guilty and continued to sit on our porch, shivering with what looked like fright. I had already hollered for the boys, saying he bit me! Did it break the skin? And then put my hand to my face and realized yes, it had. So Wil called 911 and we asked for Animal Control and the cops, and we got all that AND the ambulance AND the fire truck. (Tim never came out to see how I was.) By the time the Force got there I had the dog by the leash (he had relaxed, it took a while) and when we walked to the curb I said Sit, and he Sat. So he's a TRAINED dog with collar and leash, but no tags, neither for name nor vaccinations. I got to ride the ambulance to the ER and will present the bill to the owner if we ever discover who it is... and I'm fine, I have a little cut on my chin and an even smaller one on my nose, both rather sore (it's amazing what facial expressions use which muscles!), I didn't hurt my back when I fell (whew), and the only thing that took time was the apprenti doctors dithering about whether the bite in my chin was big enough to warrant a stitch or should they glue it, and they finally called in the real doctor who just looked at them, reminded them it was a dog bite, and left. Apparently they don't close animal bites at all, because of the risk of infection. And I got a new tetanus shot... and the people (sensibly) refused to take the dog's leash from me, instead kind of tying him to a tree, but the cop came to the ER later and said that Animal Control had taken the dog to the pound, where he has to stay for 10 days to be watched for signs of rabies or anything. I gather that even if the owner shows up, they can't take the dog till then. I went by the pound the next day and got a picture and then went all around several nearby neighborhoods but nobody knows him. Other than the Cujo thing, he seemed a nice doggie... found out later he had been on our front porch since at least 7 am, when he growled at the neighbor when she came out of her house. We noticed him around 11... so I am very curious as to why he was hanging around our house for hours...

Boxer mix - maybe with pit bull, which I actually thought before the Cujo thing. I didn't even have time to be scared although i did holler for the boys and call for 911 before I was even up again. went into Handle It mode, but was apparently breathing pretty fast because they had to put me on oxygen in the van, they said my level was too low. I still can't believe how stupidly I acted - he had his ruff up but I thought I could calm him. I should have just waited since he wasn't going anywhere... and now my chin also has a canine-shaped (as in the tooth, not the whole dog) on the side, so apparently all I got were the incisors in my nose (canines missed eyes or anything) and chin (one fang hit the side but didn't go in the bottom).

So, I think I can count this as another life. This is the closest I've been to a possible death in a while... I mean, he really could have damaged me beyond repair had he not actually been a nice dog who got startled. And, maybe the pit bull part had something to do with it, although I hate to be a breedist and have known many very nice pits...

Subject: RE: BS: Dog Bites Face - Another life counted?
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 13 May 11 - 02:31 AM

Sorry to hear that you had this experience I have known some very nice pits and staffies too but then I have also had a nasty experience from a family Corgi just because I got too close to his master, I just didn't think at the time.

It must have really shaken you up, hope you do get over the trauma of this soon and doesn't put you off of dogs in the long term. Best wishes.

Subject: RE: BS: Dog Bites Face - Another life counted?
From: Raggytash
Date: 13 May 11 - 04:21 AM

Shoot the bugger, next time it could be a child, a dog as you describe could easily kill a child or scar them for life, if it has bitten once it can do it again. I know from personal experience what it is like to be bitten in the face by a dog and am never comfortable near a dog even though more than 50 years have elapsed.

Subject: RE: BS: Dog Bites Face - Another life counted?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 13 May 11 - 06:21 AM

Agreed, Raggytash. It's sad, but dogs, however apparently lovable, who get a habit of biting, go on doing it. I was once bitten very badly [needed hand stitched in hospital] by a Border collie whose owners had foolishly tied him to the door of a tennis court which I opened. They swiftly gathered up the dog & their children & made off. I happened to meet them socially later on, and she apologised belatedly. I said it was OK, I had probably thoughtlessly frightened the animal. Oh no, she said, I wasn't the first, or even the second or third, that he had bitten; & she looked quite taken aback when I asked why, in that case, he had been kept alive.

Sad thing: but biting dogs must go, for the sake of humans, especially children, who might come into contact with them.

~Michael~

Subject: RE: BS: Dog Bites Face - Another life counted?
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 13 May 11 - 06:35 AM

How awful for you mrrzy, so sorry. You must have been terrified, but IMO handled it all extremely well. I'm afraid the dog should be put down; as Raggytash and MtheGM say, it could do this again, with even more serious results, even a child mauled. But the poor animal's behaviour is probably the result of bad ownership. Dogs need company and input, routine, exercise and discipline, or they become bored, desperate and vicious. It will now probably lose its life, thanks to ignorant 'dog lovers' who bought it, not knowing the first thing about the needs of these creatures.
Best wishes for a full recovery, you're very brave!

Subject: RE: BS: Dog Bites Face - Another life counted?
From: ranger1
Date: 13 May 11 - 07:03 AM

Ouch! And how frightening for you.

It probably has very little to do with the breed, any dog will bite when frightened or startled. Only dog that has ever bitten me was a labrador.

Subject: RE: BS: Dog Bites Face - Another life counted?
From: Becca72
Date: 13 May 11 - 09:50 AM

As a child, I was bitten in the face by a white german shepard that lived across the street. Luckily this did nothing to change my love of dogs.
It breaks my heart to think this dog will likely be put down for the mistakes of humans. He/she was clearly telling you not to get too close and you didn't listen. Honestly, though, I would probably have done the same thing you did...and the owners are at fault for losing track of an insecure dog.

Subject: RE: BS: Dog Bites Face - Another life counted?
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 13 May 11 - 10:49 AM

The dog should be put down and ideally should have been shot on the spot. And some dogs do go for the face. There should be no biting dogs on the street and no breeds considered dangerous unless they are specially licensed and there are dog inspectors who make sure they are in some sort of extremely secure situation and are taken care of properly and could never break out. There should never ever be a return of a dog that does something like that to an owner who might be clueless, who might have been lax, who might be one of those who says my dog is loveable, etc. etc. Whatever the reason the dog should go. Next time it could be a two-year old and it often is. mg

Subject: RE: BS: Dog Bites Face - Another life counted?
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 13 May 11 - 12:22 PM

ideally should have been shot on the spot.

Bad idea, unless you've got exactly the right weapon and load and have wonderful aim. (Most unlikely)

A bullet could go right THROUGH the dog and towards another person or animal. It could hit bone, break into pieces, which still have plenty of power and travel in unpredictable directions.

And then we wouldn't know if it had had rabies or if something else was wrong with it.

(There's a lot goes wrong with guns that we never see in the movies.)

I wonder how long that dog had gone without water? It may have been near-mad with thirst.

Subject: RE: BS: Dog Bites Face - Another life counted?
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 13 May 11 - 12:36 PM

I doubt there's another living soul on the planet loves dogs more than I do. But while I reluctantly agree that this kind of thing cannot be allowed to happen, viciousness in a dog is usually traceable back to its treatment by a vicious owner. Which begs the obvious question, why not shoot the owners as well? Or at any rate, where an owner's behaviour has demonstrably caused their dog to become a menace to society, surely that owner should be banned from keeping another dog for life.

Anyway, here's a counter tale to remind folks that dogs might be man's best friend after all. I met a deaf woman a while ago who had a hearing dog. Not only does the dog alert his owner to noises which need attention, but this woman has a condition which causes her to stop breathing while she's asleep. So the dog has been trained to lie next to her on top of the bed and to beat her with its paws whenever her breathing stops.

Subject: RE: BS: Dog Bites Face - Another life counted?
From: Greg F.
Date: 13 May 11 - 12:42 PM

When was it, exactly, that dogs were granted equal, or better, rights than humans?

Animals DO NOT HAVE RIGHTS!! Particularly "rights" that impinge upon those of humans.

This is NOT to say that animals should not be treated humanely- they should.

Subject: RE: BS: Dog Bites Face - Another life counted?
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 13 May 11 - 12:46 PM

If a dog were biting my face I would take the chances of all the possible things that could go wrong if someone shot it. The immediate problem has to be taken care of.

And I find it very hard to believe, although people keep saying this is true, that you would not know if a dog had rabies or not if it were dead. Surely there are tissue samples that could be done. I am going to google this.

And I would make sure that owner, innocent or not, never ever had a license to have a dog again. If he or she needed animal comfort, they could be allowed to volunteer at a shelter, under supervision. Or we should have animal libraries or petting zoos or something but some owners should not be allowed and stray dogs should not be allowed. mg

Subject: RE: BS: Dog Bites Face - Another life counted?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 13 May 11 - 12:49 PM

It was outside, there was plenty of water around. So it wasn't thirst.

I have since played with other dogs, kind of in the get-back-on-the-horse philosophy, and it was great, I'm not afraid of them. Maybe a little more aware...

I agree that the dog is unadoptable, but I'd not kill it if the owners show up and demonstrate some responsibility. Like, not letting it get loose again. But the SPCA here is a no-kill shelter, and when I asked about the owner who hadn't appeared yet, they talked about having it adopted and I immediately reacted with You can't do that! It bit me in the *face*! And they were kind of oh, yeah, it does say that in the fine print. So I will be keeping an eye on that end too, can't let that happen.

And I do feel kind of responsible for the poor thing being in there...

Subject: RE: BS: Dog Bites Face - Another life counted?
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 13 May 11 - 12:56 PM

That is insane and I think criminal. That dog should never be in a no-kill shelter and there should be no debate about its future. It does not matter what the cause is of the behavior. Of course there needs to be a rabies assay, but I am sure you can determine that after a dog is dead. And the owner should face severe legal justice and never ever have a dog again. Or a wildebeast, cougar, boa constrictor or whatever. mg

Subject: RE: BS: Dog Bites Face - Another life counted?
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 13 May 11 - 01:01 PM

One has to remember that dogs are carnivores, and without human intervention they would have to kill to eat. Domestication can only be a suppression not removal of their killer instinct.

While there is no universal, unalienable charter of animal rights, their are laws to protect animals from harm and mistreatment,

A moral/philosophic question is about the extent to which dogs are aware of their own exisitence.

Anyway, My contribution isn't very coherent I have just worked an hour over time and nned to get home.

Subject: RE: BS: Dog Bites Face - Another life counted?
From: Becca72
Date: 13 May 11 - 01:04 PM

Testing for rabies is often done once the animal is dead. It requires a sample of brain tissue. I was bitten by my own dog (around age 15) who was suffering some serious physical distress at the time ( I believe she had a slipped disc in her back). Rather than treat the problem, my mother decided to just put her down (that's a topic for another therapy session) and they tested her for rabies because I had been bitten. I was informed by my mother how that is done with use of the brain tissue. (P.S. I would have been MUCH better off not knowing).

Subject: RE: BS: Dog Bites Face - Another life counted?
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 13 May 11 - 01:13 PM

Unwanted animals are regularly put down in shelters just because no one wants them. In some cases, there is nothing wrong with the animal; there are simply too many of them, and not enough adopters to go around. Like a game of musical chairs, if you save one, it only means another one has to die. The so-called "no-kill" shelters are simply pushing the problem off on someone else. What do you suppose happens when all the "no-kill" shelters are full and can't accept any more animals, and they have to turn people away that want to drop them off?

Don't feel bad that this dog will probably be euthanized. As long as some animals have to be killed anyway, it's better that the biters go first.

Subject: RE: BS: Dog Bites Face - Another life counted?
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 13 May 11 - 01:20 PM

Here (in UK) the Police take charge, and the animal would be put down after a Judge decided it was necessary. Neither the owner nor the victim would have any say in the matter. A dog that has bitten someone would never be rehomed.

Subject: RE: BS: Dog Bites Face - Another life counted?
From: gnu
Date: 13 May 11 - 01:25 PM

Oh my! Glad you're okay.

Subject: RE: BS: Dog Bites Face - Another life counted?
From: Jeri
Date: 13 May 11 - 01:41 PM

Because I used to run the program at a couple Air Force bases:

Authorities quarantine the dog for 10 days after the bite. They examine it in the beginning and at the end of quarantine. The quarantine is simply a period of keeping the dog where it can't bite anybody else.
If the dog lives for the 10 days, it was not capable of transmitting rabies at the time of the bite.
If the dog is dead or killed before the quarantine is over, their brain has to be tested for rabies.
If the dog can't be located to quarantine, the rabies control authorities, along with you and your doctor, will determine if you should get the rabies vaccination and rabies immune globulin. They aren't pleasant, but I don't think they're the horror show they once were. Some of the factors they take into consideration was if the dog were acting unusual (for a dog), if the bite was provoked or not. Yours was provoked--you startled the dog who was defending its territory (dogs aren't big on property law). This isn't saying it's what should have happened, it's just saying the dog was just acting like a dog. If they're stray, and they run across a street to bite you while you're sitting on your porch, it's unprovoked.)

They will quarantine the dog for 10 days and THEN put it down, if that's what they decide to do. A 10 day holding period is a LOT less expensive and potentially dangerous (worst-case scenario, meaning "unlikely") than the rabies test. Got to watch a film of one once. I could go into detail, but it's probably gross enough for some of you just to imagine it.

Mrrzy: very smart all the way. I hope you heal quickly and uneventfully.

Subject: RE: BS: Dog Bites Face - Another life counted?
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 13 May 11 - 02:11 PM

" viciousness in a dog is usually traceable back to its treatment by a vicious owner. Which begs the obvious question, why not shoot the owners as well?"

If you research the vicious owner's life, you will probably find that the owner was the child of a vicious parent. Was beaten, humiliated, perhaps thrown against walls or down stairs. And nobody ever noticed anything.

He grows up, and now we've got a person who is deeply angry and afraid, and also has little notion of logic or self-control. He thinks his formidable dog makes him formidable too. He's not, he's a coward.

What was it the Bible said about 'the third and fourth generation of them that hate me?" The prophet could have been talking about dysfunctional families.

Subject: RE: BS: Dog Bites Face - Another life counted?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 13 May 11 - 03:45 PM

I think that the only animal shelter here is no-kill... so there wasn't the choice.

Subject: RE: BS: Dog Bites Face - Another life counted?
From: CupOfTea
Date: 14 May 11 - 10:42 AM

Mrrzy -

I'm in awe of your calm and reasoning through such a frightening attack. It would be great if the owners DID try to claim the rambling beastie, and then get the book thrown at them.

In my town, the leash law even extends to cats... not that they honestly expect folks to have their cats on leashes, but that the owners are held responsible for what damage their pets do outside their home. County regulations require dogs to have a yearly license tag to be attached to the collar as well as a rabies tag, attached when the vet gives the jab. Had someone in my town had the misfortune you did, the pet owners would be heavily fined and likely made responsible for any medical bills for you. Much as I love beasties and the idea of "no kill" shelters, I think a dog who has been involved in this serious a biting attack (even if not inherently vicious) should be put down. There are way too many great animals looking for a home.

I simply do not understand the "but that's their NATURE" argument as a "get out of euthanasia free" card. I've a friend who adopted a LARGE standard poodle who'd been twice turned back to the breed rescue, ignoring the advice of myself and other folks who'd done obedience training. The dog had seen his first master murdered in front of him as a puppy, so that made him a "poor little dog." The poor little dog likes murdering cats. She had three cats, and was successful in keeping them on different floors of the house from each other - till her teenaged daughter forgot the connecting door one day: mangled, dead cat.
She still has that damn dog. I don't get it.

The dog who bit you should be put down. The owners should be penalized. And though unpractical, it sure would be nice if people HAD to have a license to have a pet that showed they understood their responsibilities.

Again - you were a trooper(trouper?) and reacted with incredible grace in a tough spot. I hope you heal flawlessly, scarlessly, and that some fine dogguses treat you with great fondness soon.

Joanne in Cleveland

Subject: RE: BS: Dog Bites Face - Another life counted?
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 May 11 - 10:50 PM

The owners should be held responsible for all costs, including the costs of sending the cops, animal control, your medical costs, keeping the animal in a shelter, etc. Assuming, that is, they can be found.

There are actually some people, drug dealers mostly, who teach a dog to attack the face or the gonads. They also have the animal operated upon so that it cannot bark or growl, so there is no warning when it attacks. THESE people should be euthanized when the animals are.

But those are just my own opinions. YMMV.

Subject: RE: BS: Dog Bites Face - Another life counted?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 15 May 11 - 11:57 AM

So, I think I'm right, this was a near-death experience?

Subject: RE: BS: Dog Bites Face - Another life counted?
From: Rapparee
Date: 15 May 11 - 03:07 PM

I dunno. At the very least a near-disfiguring experience.

Subject: RE: BS: Dog Bites Face - Another life counted?
From: gnu
Date: 15 May 11 - 03:38 PM

"The dog who bit you should be put down."

A dog is entitled to it's first bite. British common law and perhaps the same in USA.

Unless, of course, there is sommat obviously wrong with the dog and that is not obvious in the OP. Very much the opposite.

Subject: RE: BS: Dog Bites Face - Another life counted?
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 15 May 11 - 03:45 PM

Dog was in her yard. It went for the face. Fortunately, it did not latch on as others do sometimes, depending on breed it seems. That is not the same as a nip on the leg. I would have zero tolerance for that sort of dog that went to the face. Precious little for any dog that bit gently on the leg, but a bit more perhaps. Never ever would I allow the owner, regardless of heart-rendering circumstances, to have another dog or potentially life-threatening or just plain scary to elderly or children pet. The dog has proven he or she will bite. The owner has proven he or she can not or will not control the dog and not allow it to escape its leash or its premises. mg

Subject: RE: BS: Dog Bites Face - Another life counted?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 15 May 11 - 03:57 PM

The 'dog allowed one bite' belief is one of those bits of folk-law, like the concept of 'common-law wife', as which there is no such thing in actual legislation [I once heard a lawyer say 'You might as well call a nut-cutlet a common-law steak']. The dog's notionally permitted first bite is another such commonly held but erroneous belief. It is simply up to a court to decide whether a dog is dangerous and should be put down, regardless of # of bites.

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Dog Bites Face - Another life counted?
From: gnu
Date: 15 May 11 - 04:07 PM

Oh, give your heads a shake and see if they rattle.

"The dog went for the face." How do you know that wasn't the closest to the dog? Geeze oh.

"like the concept of 'common-law wife', as which there is no such thing in actual legislation "

There is here laddie. And, YOU just try to get out of a commaon law marriage where you live and see how the judge treats you.

Subject: RE: BS: Dog Bites Face - Another life counted?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 15 May 11 - 04:22 PM

Where is 'here', Gnu? There sure as hell isn't here, in UK.

I don't need to get out of any such thing wherever I am and am scared of no judge, having had two proper marriages & would scorn one of the other sort. Not trying to be prescriptive & have plenty of friends that do 'partners'; but marriage happens to be my default position.

{Dr Johnson on 2nd marriages, in reply to Boswell ~~"When I censured a gentleman of my acquaintance for marrying a second time, as it shewed a disregard of his first wife, he said, "Not at all, Sir. On the contrary, were he not to marry again, it might be concluded that his first wife had given him a disgust to marriage; but by taking a second wife he pays the highest compliment to the first, by shewing that she made him so happy as a married man, that he wishes to be so a second time."
Boswell: Life
My situation pre4cisely}

Subject: RE: BS: Dog Bites Face - Another life counted?
From: gnu
Date: 15 May 11 - 04:31 PM

NB, Canada.

As far as there being no "common law marriage" statutes in UK, there is surely still a contract of cohabitation of some sort, whether WRITTEN or implied, in the aquisition of common goods and chattels and real property. Such a contract is surely enforcible in a court of law.

BTW, if you Brits have no such laws, why are you so far behind The Colonies in implementing same?

Subject: RE: BS: Dog Bites Face - Another life counted?
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 15 May 11 - 04:44 PM

Honestly, gnu, it's true what MtheGM says, there isn't any such thing as Common Law Marriage here in UK. Any property disputes resulting from cohabitation can only be settled by whose name is actually on the house purchase, who actually bought the goods etc. The person who didn't buy it doesn't get anything.One has no rights at all if one isn't married. (If there are children, they have to be maintained, of course, by both parents)
It's also quite true that there is no such thing as allowing a dog one bite. The Police take over and a judge decides if the dog should be put down, even if it's the first time it has bitten anybody.

Subject: RE: BS: Dog Bites Face - Another life counted?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 15 May 11 - 04:50 PM

We have recently, I think, accommodated to the current fad for 'partnerships' in place of marriage with the institutionalisation of certain agreements. contracts, &c ~~ tho why those who want such can't just get a civil marriage which has long existed for such purposes I cannot conceive. My marriages have not been religious, as I·am/we·are not. But marriages they were/are just the same, with the respectful-to-one's-chosen-partner commitment thus implied, not bloody 'contractual partnerships' or any such pusillanimous compromises.
What makes you so peculiarly respectful of such, Gnu?

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Dog Bites Face - Another life counted?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 15 May 11 - 04:54 PM

Sorry ~~ nearly forgot:

LADDIE

Subject: RE: BS: Dog Bites Face - Another life counted?
From: gnu
Date: 15 May 11 - 04:58 PM

MY APOLOGIES! IMMMMMENSELY!

If I ever feel the need to get married again, I shall emmigrate to the homeland before hand.

On accounta joining hands here can be getting a hand shoved up yer

Subject: RE: BS: Dog Bites Face - Another life counted?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 15 May 11 - 07:54 PM

*I* know that my face wasn't near the dog - he leaped past the hand reaching for the leash to get to my face. It was vicious but only for the instant, as he immediately let go and looked guilty. But it was vicious.

Subject: RE: BS: Dog Bites Face - Another life counted?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 15 May 11 - 08:16 PM

No, I don't think we should blame the victim in this case.

And, no, we shouldn't blame the dumb dog.

Let's blame all the idiots who have posted on this thread, including me.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Dog Bites Face - Another life counted?
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 15 May 11 - 09:17 PM

No..let's not call people who think facial dog bites are a serious problem are idiots. They are of course life-threatening in some cases. We would not have had the same degree of urgency if it had been to the calf or arm. But that too is serious and I think any biting dog needs to be removed from polite society. mg

Subject: RE: BS: Dog Bites Face - Another life counted?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 16 May 11 - 02:27 AM

Eliza is close to stating the correct position as to property law in the UK. The state of the register will determine legal and equitable ownership - but subject to their for example trust doctrines.

MtheGM is close to stating the correct law as to dogs in England (Scots law differs) http://www.doglaw.co.uk/?gclid=CPPO4NLr66gCFYYOfAodO3xFEA

Subject: RE: BS: Dog Bites Face - Another life counted?
From: Amergin
Date: 16 May 11 - 02:59 AM

There is an alternative to killing the dog....there is an awesome shelter in Utah called Best Friends...they take in plenty of animals who are on their last chance...they rehabilitate them if possible...if not then they give them a home at the shelter for the rest of their lives. They took in a few of that scumbag Michael Vick's dogs.

Subject: RE: BS: Dog Bites Face - Another life counted?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 16 May 11 - 03:08 AM

Richard ~~ Out of interest, how does Scots law re dogs differ? Do they have indeed some equivalent to the "every dog allowed one bite" provision so beloved of popular folklore?

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Dog Bites Face - Another life counted?
From: Donuel
Date: 16 May 11 - 12:23 PM

Nature as well as nurture makes dreadful mistakes at times, even in the wild.

But we are talking about the areana of civilzation. SOmetimes animal behavior is untrainable.

It is not a mistake to remove the mistake from the enviornment of civilization.

bring the dog to justice.

Subject: RE: BS: Dog Bites Face - Another life counted?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 16 May 11 - 01:24 PM

Not sure - I just know it's different - it even has its own pages on the doglaw website.

Subject: RE: BS: Dog Bites Face - Another life counted?
From: gnu
Date: 16 May 11 - 02:15 PM

Well, the dog was a strange dog and it felt threatened. It's actions afterward seem to indicate it was sorry. So I am curious as to whether the dog can be "saved". The obvious question is, were the dog's actions after the bite out of fear of punishment? If so, it should be put down. Perhaps we will never know???

BTW, never put your hand where ANY dog that does not know you cannot see your hand without turning it's head. If you want to befriend ANY dog, offer your hand palm down for sniffing, then pull your hand away and "call" the dog to you. If it doesn't come to you, ignore it and keep an eye on it.

Subject: RE: BS: Dog Bites Face - Another life counted?
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 17 May 11 - 05:27 AM

There are some instances where the dog of the family is protective to a particular member of a family and can bear it's teeth or snarl if someone gets too close to the person. If the family are aware of this then they should warn whoever comes to call obviously. But if it goes wrong and a visitor is bitten will the dog have to be put down if this happens, I mean the kind of bite that breaks the skin and draws blood? If the visitor wants to take it further is there anything to stop the dog from being destroyed?

Subject: RE: BS: Dog Bites Face - Another life counted?
From: Greg F.
Date: 17 May 11 - 08:19 AM

If the visitor wants to take it further is there anything to stop the dog from being destroyed?

Lets hope not.

Subject: RE: BS: Dog Bites Face - Another life counted?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 17 May 11 - 06:12 PM

I think it was terrified of being punished. It shivered for a good quarter hour before the emergency responders got there, while before it had not looked frightened, just a little spooked. That is another reason I'm so invested in finding the owners - they should pay a heavy fine (for no vaccinations or tags), and have the animal cruelty people check them out, in addition to my ER bill.

Dog (Philip, they've named it, as in, lover of lip, I guess) should be out of quarantine in a couple of days. I'll let you know if I find anything out...

Subject: RE: BS: Dog Bites Face - Another life counted?
From: Greg F.
Date: 17 May 11 - 06:42 PM

I think it was terrified of being punished. It shivered for a good quarter hour before the emergency responders got there...

Well, that's all right then... Good Dog!... what matter if it ripped somebody's face off and disfigured them for life.

As long as the dog is OK, that's all that matters.

Subject: RE: BS: Dog Bites Face - Another life counted?
From: Jeri
Date: 17 May 11 - 07:36 PM

Thanks for letting us know what's going on, Mrrzy.