BS: The Rapture: Saturday May 21st 2011

Subject: RE: BS: The Rapture: Saturday May 21st 2011
From: Neil D
Date: 21 May 11 - 01:55 AM

Five minutes to go New Zealand. Still time to listen to some GBS. "It's the End of the World"

Subject: RE: BS: The Rapture: Saturday May 21st 2011
From: Gurney
Date: 21 May 11 - 02:34 AM

Well, it's 6.30pm here in NZ, and no earthquakes so far.
It was supposed to start here and follow the timezones around, the way I heard it.

Just the usual tremors in the quake-hit city of Christchurch, where, incidentally, they have been having them since last year.

Subject: RE: BS: The Rapture: Saturday May 21st 2011
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 21 May 11 - 03:00 AM

GS, my own feeling is that we are building up towards the end times quite rapidly atm. But that doesn't mean I'm right or that it will happen in my lifetime...

As for predictions of date, I think in common with the majority of Christians, it is my belief it can not be done.

Subject: RE: BS: The Rapture: Saturday May 21st 2011
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 21 May 11 - 03:49 AM

Rapparee: "I suppose I shouldn't have bought ice cream today. Or those green bananas."

So, is it your intention to start farting while on your way up there, too????

Thanks a lot!!!


(hmmmm...maybe its a secret propulsion....)

Naww!..You can't get away with it!!..No farting in Heaven!! Nope!!.HE won't have it!!!...and all us joyous saints will start complaining about YOU...AGAIN!!!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: The Rapture: Saturday May 21st 2011
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 21 May 11 - 03:58 AM

Here, Let's not go off the deep end.........as these others did!
...as not to discredit the ones who have it right!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: The Rapture: Saturday May 21st 2011
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 21 May 11 - 04:20 AM

Ah... There does seem a lot of debate on that one. I'm unsure but favour post tribulation...

Subject: RE: BS: The Rapture: Saturday May 21st 2011
From: Will Fly
Date: 21 May 11 - 04:27 AM

Is there any specific time today for rapture to start? I checked my bedside clock at midnight (GMT+1) last night, snuggled up to the old lady and whispered, "Rapture time, hon". But she just kept on snoring and paid no attention. (Well, it's been some time.. you know...).

I suppose I've got the rest of the day - at least until 12 tonight to get some. What happens on Sunday if'n I don't get it today? Will there be another opportunity, do you think?

Subject: RE: BS: The Rapture: Saturday May 21st 2011
From: Joe Offer
Date: 21 May 11 - 04:38 AM

I dunno. I just can't get myself too excited about the beginnings or the endings of creation. To me, the Big Bang and evolution and plate tectonics sound like very reasonable theories, but I won't get all hot and bothered if things happened some other way.

I have a lot of respect for the ancient creation stories from the Bible and other sources, but I wouldn't dream of taking them literally - and I don't think the writers intended for them to be taken literally.

I find the apocalyptic writings of the Scriptures (Revelation, Daniel, and many others) to be interesting, but puzzling. I can't glean any definite answers from the Scriptures about the end times, and I can't see how others can be so cocksure about their predictions. And you know, I don't think I really care how things come to an end, if they do. It will happen when and how it happens, and that's fine with me. For now, I'll just enjoy the present time.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: The Rapture: Saturday May 21st 2011
From: Will Fly
Date: 21 May 11 - 04:45 AM

There's an eBible Fellowship web site which I've been chuckling at this morning. Says that when God talked of a 'day' in the Old Testament, one day really stood for 100 years. The calculations of the rapture are based on this ratio. Then later down the page it says the Rapture will last a 100+ plus days - October sees the end of the earth - so conveniently ignores the 1 day=100 years ratio.

I'm genuinely amazed at the stupidity in this world. There are all sorts of interesting things to be found in the collection of writings we call the Bible - even to a long-standing unbeliever like me - but to use these writings as an accurate assessment of the past and future history of this planet is cuckoo.

Subject: RE: BS: The Rapture: Saturday May 21st 2011
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 21 May 11 - 04:59 AM

I'd disagree, Will Fly, in that I do believe there will be end times and that Christ will return.

I do not believe any attempts at calculating when though.

Subject: RE: BS: The Rapture: Saturday May 21st 2011
From: Jack Campin
Date: 21 May 11 - 05:26 AM

I hadn't realized the Irvingites were involved in creating the Rapture eschatology. They had a big presence in Edinburgh - their Catholic Apostolic Church is an artistically important building, with Pre-Raphaelite/pseudo-Byzantine murals by Phoebe Traquair (google "Mansfield Traquair Church").

Its architecture is specifically rapturous. It's a big open space - the idea was that it could hold all the true believers on the big day. And it has fake pillars that don't quite reach the ground. The idea was that God was going to take the whole building up to Heaven, so they didn't want to anchor it down too firmly. It also isn't very well built - they didn't design it for a long stay on Earth.

Subject: RE: BS: The Rapture: Saturday May 21st 2011
From: gnu
Date: 21 May 11 - 05:43 AM

Have any that believed the rapture was gonna be today posted to this thread yet TODAY? I haven't seen any such posts. So don't get too cocky just yet. We'll have to wait until they never post to be sure.

Subject: RE: BS: The Rapture: Saturday May 21st 2011
From: Stu
Date: 21 May 11 - 05:54 AM

Has anyone seen the Pope this morning?

Subject: RE: BS: The Rapture: Saturday May 21st 2011
From: Will Fly
Date: 21 May 11 - 05:56 AM

The earth will be destroyed one day - that's for sure - when the sun had cooled sufficiently. In about 5 billion years from now, the sun will begin to die, turn into a red dwarf, a planetary nebula, then a white dwarf and, finally a black dwarf... but let's not worry about that today.

Subject: RE: BS: The Rapture: Saturday May 21st 2011
From: GUEST,lively
Date: 21 May 11 - 06:00 AM

"Has anyone seen the Pope this morning?"

Surely "real" Christians don't include heathen Papists? Isn't the Pope rather like the anti-Christ to these far right-wing Rapturites? After all aren't they the same groups of Christians who believe Jesus wouldn't really have been a pacifist or believe in charity?

Subject: RE: BS: The Rapture: Saturday May 21st 2011
From: gnu
Date: 21 May 11 - 06:43 AM

lively... this thread should not be turned into a nasty religeous spat. It's about the Rapturians.

Subject: RE: BS: The Rapture: Saturday May 21st 2011
From: GUEST,lively
Date: 21 May 11 - 06:49 AM

I was being tongue in cheek there Gnu, my post was indeed about the Rapturians. As far as I understand, they belong to far right-wing US Christian nutter groups, which are somewhat different in flavour to the Christianity that others amongst us might recognise.

Subject: RE: BS: The Rapture: Saturday May 21st 2011
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 21 May 11 - 07:09 AM

Dunno lively but this prediction seems to start with Harold Camping

Subject: RE: BS: The Rapture: Saturday May 21st 2011
From: GUEST,lively
Date: 21 May 11 - 07:22 AM

OK, maybe I'm getting the Rapturians mixed up with End Timers? I know there are some scary right wing Christian groups merrily agitating for the third world war to start, in order to bring on the apocalypse/armaggedon. Apparently you need to bring about Armageddon before the Rapture can start, or something! I'm guessing Harold must have skipped that part of the equation, which is why his followers are now disappointed :-/

Subject: RE: BS: The Rapture: Saturday May 21st 2011
From: gnu
Date: 21 May 11 - 07:35 AM

lively... sorry... maybe I should start drinking tea in the morn again to wake up.

Subject: RE: BS: The Rapture: Saturday May 21st 2011
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 21 May 11 - 08:16 AM

Actually, the battle of Armageddon took place in 1918. No joke. Armies of several countries were involved. Known to the less imaginative as Megiddo, it spelled the end of the centuries-old Ottoman Empire.

And perhaps you've noticed that things have been going downhill since then.

Just sayin'.

Subject: RE: BS: The Rapture: Saturday May 21st 2011
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 21 May 11 - 08:33 AM

Lively, re starting the rapture: the general theory as far as I understand it and I may not have this quite right, etc. is that there will come a time near the end which is rather unpleasant and is known as The Tribulation. There are different views as to where the Rapture fits in with this. A pre-tribulationist (of which Harold seems to be one) would put the Rapture before the tribulation - sort say the Rapture comes today, the "good people" are taken safely to heaven and then the bad times start.

Then there are others that would put the Rapture in the middle of the tribulation and yet others that say we have to get through the tribulation and reach the end before the Rapture.

But then there are still others who will say the tribulations were an event that took place in Roman times and so it goes on...

Have a look at Christian Eschatology for starters,

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As for the other bit: sort of "let's start WWIII to fulfil the prophecy" is scary!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: The Rapture: Saturday May 21st 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 21 May 11 - 09:01 AM

So, let's see if we can pull this concept together from what's been posted.

Repaire has contributed ice cream and green bananas, creating the gas for Joe Offer's BIG BANG theory, which overlaps with another Mudcatter's concept of "rapture time" as sexual intercourse.

When I went for the newspaper this morning there were no signs of left-behind garments in the streets from the recently assended.

Anyone missing here? If so, please report in!

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: The Rapture: Saturday May 21st 2011
From: freda underhill
Date: 21 May 11 - 09:13 AM

It's 11.12 pm in Sydney, not so much as a wobble.

Subject: RE: BS: The Rapture: Saturday May 21st 2011
From: Rapparee
Date: 21 May 11 - 09:20 AM

Well, my wife is gone and her clothes are still here. Except for the ones she packed for the trip to BWI, of course. She took those with her on the airplane.

Subject: RE: BS: The Rapture: Saturday May 21st 2011
From: Little Hawk
Date: 21 May 11 - 09:43 AM

The Dachshund and I are watching each other closely. I figure it's best not to go driving around 6 pm, wouldn't want to inconvenience anyone by suddenly disappearing out of my moving car...or be inconvenienced in the same way...whichever.

So I'm getting all my errands done this morning. ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: The Rapture: Saturday May 21st 2011
From: Jack Campin
Date: 21 May 11 - 10:41 AM

Well, my wife is gone and her clothes are still here. Except for the ones she packed for the trip to BWI, of course. She took those with her on the airplane.

Perhaps that's where all the elect have gone?

BWI = British West Indies? Maybe your wife is in for an eternity of reggae, rum and ganja with 40 handsome dreadlocked Rastas catering to her every whim? (The bad news might be having to sit and watch an eternal cricket match, Christ and the Apostles vs OT Prophets XI).

Subject: RE: BS: The Rapture: Saturday May 21st 2011
From: GUEST,Uncle Rumpo
Date: 21 May 11 - 10:42 AM

I just done a big stinky dump just in case anything rapturous is imminent..
At least I managed to finish it to some degree of satisfaction.
But now I'm not sure if there's any point having a shave & a shower
and making any effort to dress up nice and smart or not?

.. and do I really need to pack a suitcase ???

Subject: RE: BS: The Rapture: Saturday May 21st 2011
From: frogprince
Date: 21 May 11 - 11:35 AM

Personally, I don't believe a bit o

Subject: RE: BS: The Rapture: Saturday May 21st 2011
From: Mrrzy
Date: 21 May 11 - 11:48 AM

The American press is calling it a Christian thing. Everybody else is calling it an American Christian thing.

I am wearing my devil horns.

Subject: RE: BS: The Rapture: Saturday May 21st 2011
From: Bill D
Date: 21 May 11 - 12:28 PM

It's not sudden, I hear- It just gradually envelops everything, and you'barely know it's happening.

Subject: RE: BS: The Rapture: Saturday May 21st 2011
From: Little Hawk
Date: 21 May 11 - 12:28 PM

Combine that with a red body suit, cloven hoof red shoes, and a forked tail, Mrzzy, walk downtown to the supermarket, and report back to me on what happens. ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: The Rapture: Saturday May 21st 2011
From: gnu
Date: 21 May 11 - 12:29 PM

Mrrzy... is that a usual Saturday thing you horny devil you?

Subject: RE: BS: The Rapture: Saturday May 21st 2011
From: GUEST,lively
Date: 21 May 11 - 12:52 PM

Thank you Jon, I didn't realise there were so many strands of belief tied into this. I saw some documentary a while ago, where Christian groups were busy meddling in delicate matters in the Middle-East because they effectively saw it as a useful way to assist in bringing on a major world conflict. All really quite troubling.

I don't know about 'the rapture' but I do find the nightmarish visions contained in Revelations deeply potent. But then I also like Milton and Dante for the very same reason.

Subject: RE: BS: The Rapture: Saturday May 21st 2011
From: Rapparee
Date: 21 May 11 - 01:17 PM

Hey, if the Naz said nobody knows, I don't think nobody knows. 'Cept Big Daddy, and He ain't tellin'. So all them cats should stop trying to read His mind, 'cause man, if that ain't capital P Pride I don't know what is!

Subject: RE: BS: The Rapture: Saturday May 21st 2011
From: gnu
Date: 21 May 11 - 01:34 PM

Hypothetical situation and question... if, just say, IF, The Rapture doesn't take place at 6PM today, can those who gave all their shit away get it back easily or do they have to pray extra?

Now, I know any money that they gave to registered charities can be claimed as a deduction on their income tax when their accountants submit the returns to the feds whether the rapture happens or not. Either way, the accountants and lawyers and taxman will still be here to sort out the accounts.

Damn! I forgot to ask George for his 20 pound maul. It's great for smackin my fence posts down in the spring. I'd better go "borrow" it soon.

Subject: RE: BS: The Rapture: Saturday May 21st 2011
From: Joe Offer
Date: 21 May 11 - 03:14 PM

Are we there yet, Daddy?


Oh, no....I guess the rapture didn't happen. The "We Can Know" Website is still there, at least. I wonder how Harold Camping is going to explain away this miscalculation. I suppose he will - the Jehovah's Witnesses and Seventh-Day Adventists are doing fine, and they got their start with end-of-the-world predictions.

I wonder how many people bought into Camping's May 21 Rapture prediction - it certainly seems to have garnered a lot of attention. Well, now we have to get through 2012. Lots more people seem to believe in that date.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: The Rapture: Saturday May 21st 2011
From: Cats
Date: 21 May 11 - 03:23 PM

unless it did happen and we are all that is left

Subject: RE: BS: The Rapture: Saturday May 21st 2011
From: GUEST,999
Date: 21 May 11 - 03:24 PM

(Shel Silverstein)

I was sitting in my basement I just rolled myself a taste
Of something green and gold and glorious to get me through the day
Then my friend yelled through the transom "Grab your coat and get your hat son
There's a nut down on the corner, givin' dollar bills away"

But I laid around a bit
Then I had another hit
Then I rolled myself a bauma
Then I thought about my mama
Then I fooled around, played around
Jacked around a while and then

I got stoned and I missed it
I got stoned and I missed it
I got stoned and it rolled right by
I got stoned and I missed it
I got stoned and I missed it
I got stoned oh me oh my

Now it took seven months of urging just to get that local virgin
With the sweet face up to my place to fool around a bit
Next day she woke up rosy and she snuggled up so cosy
When she asked me how I liked it Lord it hurt me to admit

I was stoned and I missed it
I was stoned and I missed it
I was stoned and it rolled right by
I was stoned and I missed it
I was stoned and I missed it
I was stoned oh me oh my

Now I ain't makin' no excuses for the many things I uses
Just to sweeten my relationships and brighten up my day
But when my earthly race is over and I'm ready for the clover
And they ask me how my life has been I guess I'll have to say

I was stoned and I missed it
I was stoned and I missed it
I was stoned and it rolled right by
I was stoned and I missed it
I was stoned and I missed it
I was stoned oh me oh my

(c)1975 Tro-Essex Music Ltd.

Subject: RE: BS: The Rapture: Saturday May 21st 2011
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 21 May 11 - 03:35 PM

Here's the good news to everyone who waited for the 'Rapture" It happened!!!!!!!!!..... well no really it didn't because the Good Lord failed to find a Christian that lived wholly for Him... We were all too selfish I guess..... Maybe we will get another chance but I certainly didn't go this time... maybe next!! Well I can live in Faith and Hope can't I ?!!

Subject: RE: BS: The Rapture: Saturday May 21st 2011
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 21 May 11 - 03:41 PM

Just a few hours to go. I guess it's scheduled for 6 pm California (where else?) time.

I'll be sorry, because I just planted this year's tomatoes a few days ago, and if the world comes to an end, I'll never get to eat them.

On the other hand, I'll be spared having to figure out an accurate IRA basis.

As my father used to say, "Human beings must learn to take the bitter with the sweet."

Subject: RE: BS: The Rapture: Saturday May 21st 2011
From: GUEST,lively
Date: 21 May 11 - 03:43 PM

"the Good Lord failed to find a Christian that lived wholly for Him... We were all too selfish I guess."

Err, what does that make the good lord?
"You just don't love ME enough!" doesn't sound very selfless to me.

Subject: RE: BS: The Rapture: Saturday May 21st 2011
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 21 May 11 - 04:13 PM

Guest Lively... I just didn't live up to expectations.... doesn't imply that at all!!!

Subject: RE: BS: The Rapture: Saturday May 21st 2011
From: bobad
Date: 21 May 11 - 05:15 PM

That's one way of looking at it, there are others.

Subject: RE: BS: The Rapture: Saturday May 21st 2011
From: Wesley S
Date: 21 May 11 - 05:55 PM

I'ce tried to access both the Family Radio and the We Can Know websites and neither one is available at this time. And it's 5:55 EST. Hmmmm.....

Subject: RE: BS: The Rapture: Saturday May 21st 2011
From: Rapparee
Date: 21 May 11 - 05:59 PM

I got out of the car at the gun store parking lot, locked the car, turned, and began to ascend! Straight up! And I knew then that I was One Of The Elect! At about 200 feet a Voice said, "Ooops! Got my calendar mixed up!" and I started falling. Fortunately the roof of the gun store was insulated with stryofoam blocks and cushioned my fall very nicely; unfortunately I crashed through the roof and into the middle of the indoor shooting range. Shooters were so surprised they held their fire and I wasn't hurt, just some bruises, but the owner is now asking me to fix the roof, the shooting range and all sorts of things. He's a good Christian, though, and when I told him what had happened he said, "So, I should call my lawyer then?"

Subject: RE: BS: The Rapture: Saturday May 21st 2011
From: GUEST,pete from seven stars link
Date: 21 May 11 - 06:07 PM

there are pre millenialists
there are post millenialists

and then there are pan millenialists-
they just wait to see how it all turns out!

seriously though; Jesus said "you be ready,for in such an hour as you think not the son of man is coming"

Subject: RE: BS: The Rapture: Saturday May 21st 2011
From: gnu
Date: 21 May 11 - 06:17 PM

Rap.... thank GOD you are okay! But, when buddy sues you, is yer buddy Jesus gonna heed the writ to appear? I understand he doesn't do a lot of appearences these days. Is he gonna TESTIFYYYYY or is he gonna walk?

Subject: RE: BS: The Rapture: Saturday May 21st 2011
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 21 May 11 - 06:46 PM

Re: Revelations, lively. The first time I read it I thought it read like "the ramblings of a madman". I don't think that way now of course but much is beyond me, as is case with Daniel...

Subject: RE: BS: The Rapture: Saturday May 21st 2011
From: Donuel
Date: 21 May 11 - 06:50 PM

Rapture in the grass