Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile of BBC [2011]

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 14 Oct 12 - 08:19 AM

Can you not get into your thick head, Jim, that I am NOT a Thatcherite?! I am not an anythingite. Unlike you who are a anti-everything-that-most-normal-people-hold-dearite like all you Lefties, I am a floating voter without a great interest in politics; but with a great interest in justice, which was something that Maggie could never hope to get from the likes of you-lot over there practically out of sight on the far left wing.

I still think it abusive on your part to drag her into a thread concerned with someone whom she, along with everyone else, chose to be socially civil to, which was about her sum involvement with this now-but-not-then-seen-to-be-iniquitous subject of the thread.

Why not just go and start another of your beloved ant-Thatch threads. so that I shan't have to bother to read it?

~M~

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 14 Oct 12 - 06:42 AM

As I suggested earlier, the high profile nature of this story has indeed enabled many people to seek to address abuse issues from their own pasts. From the Guardian:

"Pete Saunders, chief executive of the National Association for People Abused in Childhood (Napac), said its hotline had received 1,400 calls in the last 10 days – seven times its normal amount.
"If there is anything beneficial from this, it's that it's allowing victims and survivors of abuse to come forward and speak out,""

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/oct/13/jimmy-savile-victims-groups-calls?newsfeed=true

No better time for those charities associated to Savile to close up shop and donate remaning funds currently stagnating in banks, to abuse and mental health charities.

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: selby
Date: 14 Oct 12 - 05:54 AM

The thing that grips me in all this is that good old Jimmy is fiddling about therefore its alright, we will pretend its not happening. As for the Broadmoor caper it just beggars believe that you give the keys to a disc jockey. Who was the lunatic that suggested that then.
Saville has pulled off the biggest con trick ever and unfortunately got away with it, leaving damage every where he has been, including the charities he purported to help.
Keith

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Oct 12 - 05:00 AM

"How about trying to make anti-Thatcherite capital out of it, hey Jim?"
No political capital Mike - Thatcher's fascist tendencies and mass-murderer friends were real and of concern to the British people.
Her party's rally to prevent Pinochet from being tried for holding thousands of his opponents at Santiago and later 'disappearing' them sums up pretty well British Conservatism with the mask off.
But then again, I would expect comparing the support for such a pair of monsters with child abuse from a Thatcherite - wouldn't I?
"All parties including Labour now agree that immigration has been at too high a level."
Still pumping the Iron Keith
"Not sure why Fatcher is essential to every thread."
I'm not sure why campaigns against immigration is essential to every (by you anyway) thread - but there you go
You'll have had your reply on "Fatcher" and her 'Savile' connections - as they say in Morningside - nice one Martin 'Lest We Forget'.
"Neither on this nor the previous thread have you shown any empathy or expressed any sympathy for the abused kids."
Yes he has - and he has not used them to attack an ethnic minority, unlike you
And your 'heart of stone' repetition in no way hides your persistent attempts to use abused girls as a stick to beat the poorest (and probably most law abiding) community in Britain - still present in this thread
I don't agree with all Don says, but I certainly share his distaste for the 'lynch Mob' mentality reflected here even before the presently known facts were uncovered.

Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 13 Oct 12 - 12:43 PM

He even headed a Board of Managers for Broadmoor of all places. And was given his own set of gold-coloured keys. How in the name of Beelzebub did he manage that? It beggars belief.

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: Rob Naylor
Date: 13 Oct 12 - 11:40 AM

Eddie1:

It's not news that John Peel had sex with under-age girls, either. His first wife was only 15 when they married (he knew this, and they both lied on the documentation to make it "legal"). He was 26 at the time.

And in a 1989 interview in the Guardian newspaper (which I still have somewhere) he waxed lyrical about the number of young women who used to queue up for sex with him when he was DJing in the USA. One of his quotes was "some of them were very young. It turned out that one of my "regulars" was 13, but she looked older".

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 13 Oct 12 - 11:34 AM

Thanks mudelf

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Eddie1 continuing sans cookie
Date: 13 Oct 12 - 08:59 AM

Seems he is about to be joined by someone I had REAL respect for!

John Peel?

Eddie

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: theleveller
Date: 13 Oct 12 - 08:31 AM

Just seen a story about the bloke who paid £160K for Savile's Rolls Royce. He is not a happy man. Probably no more than scrap value now.

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 13 Oct 12 - 07:59 AM

Who the feck would go and see that odious twat garry glitter ?

Him along with saVile and freddy starr, are three people I took an instant dislike to 20 years ago or more, I suppose freddy was quite funny, but you wouldn't have let him near your kids.

Dave H

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 13 Oct 12 - 07:17 AM

There appears to be virtually nothing 'charitable' or professional this man has done, that he didn't exploit as an opportunity to molest children. Now abuse on the charity Variety's 'Sunshine Coaches' - for disabled and sick children - is coming to light.

I'm glad to hear the BBC shall be sued, this means taking evidence though the courts. Whatever the outcome, I believe it should help to draw a line under some of these events.

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Martin
Date: 13 Oct 12 - 06:26 AM

The BBC has just reported they are to be sued by a number of his victims. I am pleased to see more and more brave people are coming forward to expose the extent of his deeds.

I feel the thread title should remain as an example of how people were duped. It shows how many paid their respects to a man who had been questioned by police on more than occasion and a known predator of children by many in the entertainment business, yet they remaine silent allowing him to practice his evil deeds because many felt he was above the law due to his political connections, charitable work and a BBC icon.

I think the news that Gary Glitter is planning a UK comeback tour in the Spring of 2013 to be untimely.

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 13 Oct 12 - 05:48 AM

I agree with Silas and the title of this thread should be changed.

When I started this thread, I had no idea what an evil person he was, and would not have started it, armed with the facts that are coming out.

I feel many adults let these young children down, by not reporting him. How he got away with it, is just beyond belief.

Maybe the thread could be changed to just "Jimmy Savile :-("

Shortened, but the job and country were left for readers who aren't from the UK. --mudelf

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Oct 12 - 09:49 AM

Civilian Saville's honourary Marines awards
were nothing more than the Regiment's equivalent
of giving him a Blue Peter badge
for completing their most difficult training yomp.

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Oct 12 - 03:54 AM

With the Marines he had no scope for child abuse.
How would they know any more than the rest of us what he was?

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 12 Oct 12 - 03:40 AM

He was a Sociopath, as I said above:



Profile of the Sociopath


BBC - Sociopaths (Yes, they could even have looked it up on their own website!)

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Martin
Date: 12 Oct 12 - 03:26 AM

Interesting that the Royal Marines acted as the guard of honour at Saviles funeral, they even carried his coffin with his honorary green beret and medal.

Today they announced, they are removing his name from their honorary roll. This on a day seven Royal Marines were arrested for murder. Nice attempt to cover their own little indiscretion.

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Oct 12 - 03:01 AM

It was in The Mail and Mail on Sunday and has not been challenged.
Also
Telegraph 4 days ago
This weekend his nephew Guy Marsden reportedly said that at the age of 13 he was taken to parties at which men abused children as young as 10.

Mirror 5 days ago
Yesterday, Savile's nephew Guy Marsden, now 59, told how at 13 his famous uncle took him to "paedophile parties" where he believes girls and boys as young as 10 were abused. He said he and teenage friends were asked to befriend the even younger victims, although he was not a victim himself.

London evening Standard.
His nephew Guy Marsden said he warned the only two family members who had arranged for it to be put up that it was in "bad taste" and "a terrible idea".
Detectives have revealed that about 120 leads are being followed up, with five police forces involved. Scotland Yard says up to 25 young girls were allegedly targeted by the presenter over a period dating back to 1959.
The triple tombstone, put up last month in Scarborough cemetery, was taken to a stonemason's yard in Leeds where it will be ground down and sent to landfill. Marsden, 58, said: "That should never have gone up.
"Only one niece and nephew out of the entire family, and there are about two dozen of us, decided to put that thing up."
The roofer from Leeds said some members of the family were aware of the allegations against him but chose to celebrate his memory.
"There was talk about it being put up. I told them it was a bad idea as all of this stuff would one day come out and it'd look terrible. It had my mum's name on it too which sickened me. At least 12 of us wanted nothing to do with him."

MalaysianDigest


Guy Marsden, pictured left aged eight, and right aged 59 today, says when he was 13 his uncle Jimmy started taking him to 'paedophile parties'.A NEPHEW of Sir Jimmy Savile yesterday told how his celebrity uncle attended 'paedophile parties'.

Guy Marsden was just 13 when 'Uncle Jimmy' took him to a wealthy celebrity's house in London in 1967 for the first of many sordid social gatherings.

Over the next 18 months, Guy and his friends went to numerous 'parties' where he believes men sexually abused girls and boys as young as ten. Savile was at many of these events, he said.

Guy and his teenage friends were used as 'intermediaries' to hang out with the younger victims. Guy, now 59, said the youngsters would disappear into the bedrooms with men and return later.
He said there were 'never any women' at the parties and although he didn't see any sexual abuse, it was 'perfectly obvious' what was happening. Several household names from the world of showbusiness were party regulars.

Guy said Savile sometimes arrived with a man dressed as a priest and he believed the young victims may have come from an orphanage or children's home.

He has regularly spoken to friends about his experiences in the late 1960s, but no one took him seriously until this week's revelations.

'I have loved all this coming out about Jimmy and I feel guilty I didn't do something about it earlier,' he told the Mail yesterday.

After Savile died last year, Guy was one of the relatives who publicly praised him. But he knew he was being a hypocrite. 'I felt as low and as bad as you can get not saying anything.'

Other members of Savile's family spoke out last week to condemn a TV programme alleging the DJ sexually abused teenage girls, but the nephew said many relatives were aware of his sordid past.

The roofer from Leeds later married and he now has four children and ten grandchildren with his wife Anne.

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Oct 12 - 05:55 PM

I knew I had seen it somewhere!

Some rape victims should take the blame

I wonder how many of Saville, Glitter and Co.'s victims were complicit in their own abuse by wearing the wrong clothes, gushing over celebrities and behaving inappropriately?

Long thread. Too long to wade through but I suggest some people look at it closely to see who was supporting that view. :-(

DtG

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: The Sandman
Date: 11 Oct 12 - 04:24 PM

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish - PM
Date: 11 Oct 12 - 11:13 AM

If anyone crossed this man, I'd imagine they so came to know about it....I should think he was able to instill a lot of fear into his victims.

When Louis Met Jimmy - Full Documentary
thanks lizzie

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Blowzabella sans cookie
Date: 11 Oct 12 - 12:57 PM

Sorry - that Guest at 12.54 was me

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Oct 12 - 12:54 PM

This makes interesting reading http://timesopinion.tumblr.com/post/32804536645/jimmy-saviles-affections-laid-bare-by-jimmy-savile?fb_action_ids=210412662423117


I think it's also somehow approriate that he was buried in a coffin which was painted to look like something it wasn't - it looked like gold but the image was just a tawdry veneer

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 11 Oct 12 - 12:33 PM

But they are still Sir Francis Drake, Sir Walter Raleigh, Sir Lancelot of the Lake cont p 98, aren't they, tho dead for a much longer time? So he will presumably remain posthumously entitled to be known by the title unless formally posthumously deprived of such entitlement?

Not sure of the law here ~~ indeed, nobody seems to be. But it would do no harm, would it?, for a formal statement to come from The Court, to the effect that he should no longer be so referred to.

~M~

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 11 Oct 12 - 12:18 PM

For what it's worth Silas, the Sir is in fact an no longer applicable, as evidently the honorific in facts dies along with the deceased.

So much for Cameron's interventions regarding "stripping" Savile of his Knighthood, as there is no longer any Knighthood, to strip Savile of.

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: Silas
Date: 11 Oct 12 - 12:11 PM

I really do think Jo or a mudelf should change the thread title - it annoys me intensly to see 'RIP' 'Sir' and 'disc jockey'

Should just say - 'Jimmy Savile - rapist'

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 11 Oct 12 - 12:07 PM

"In light of the source, my comments still stand."

I think that's fair enough Musket. In particular, The Mail do not offer a direct quotation from Marsden, which I would have been happier with myself than his supposed statement asserting 'many other family members were aware', being paraphrased by them. Also, thus far, no other paper has followed up his story to my knowledge, though I may be wrong on that.

That said, and purely for the sake of pedantry, I think Keith's point wasn't that we necessarily know for certain that all members of Savile's family were aware of his past, but merely that there was "some reason" to believe that others apart from the nephew interviewed, *may have* known.

Not being in any position to know the truth myself, I'm unwilling to pass judgement either way. Yet I do not believe that these allegations should continue to remain secret, purely in order to protect members of Savile's extended family from being embarrassed, disillusioned or upset by them being finally revealed.

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Jim'll fuck it
Date: 11 Oct 12 - 11:25 AM

Philanthropic voluntary youth work:

http://theredlist.fr/media/database/muses/icon/cinematic_men/1920/lon_chaney/08_lon_chaney-theredlist.jpg

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: Jack Campin
Date: 11 Oct 12 - 11:21 AM

The issue is that it was easier to put up with him than to crucify a role model in the public's eye.

Lance Armstrong - the Jimmy Savile of cycling.

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Jim'll fuck it
Date: 11 Oct 12 - 11:19 AM

Dark side of celebrity charity collector:

http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMjMxOTk4NjIwNl5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwNTc1MzQyNw@@._V1._SX640_SY526_.jpg

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish
Date: 11 Oct 12 - 11:13 AM

If anyone crossed this man, I'd imagine they so came to know about it....I should think he was able to instill a lot of fear into his victims.

When Louis Met Jimmy - Full Documentary

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Oct 12 - 11:07 AM

All things considered,
perhaps the monster was sealed for all time in a steel casket
buried under a deep layer of concrete
as a precaution to prevent him getting back out again !!!???

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish
Date: 11 Oct 12 - 11:05 AM

Musket, nearly ALL newspapers twist people's words, come ON! Most of them are Rags. Don't be so selective.

Janet Street-Porter blowing the whistle....

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: Musket
Date: 11 Oct 12 - 10:55 AM

CS. I would agree normally.

However, and please don't take this as being flippant. If it is in The Daily M*il, that doesn't mean anything other than a story to sell a paper. A nephew hasn't said anything. A newspaper that is known to tell lies, twist peoples' words and when all else fails makes them up has quoted his nephew. His nephew may have said what he did, and may have meant it but to tell that rag, you just cannot take it at face value. Both he and the paper have ulterior motive in saying such things, true or otherwise.

In light of the source, my comments still stand.

Saville may be whatever he was, but I'm not going to alter the weighting I give to Dacre's book of bullshit just because of the topic in question.

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 11 Oct 12 - 09:55 AM

If they knew, then they were/are guilty of colluding with the monster.
And I can safely say that IF one of my relatives or friends turned out to be a paedophile I would definitely go to the Police about it. It would be my duty to get the abuse stopped. Whether the Police believed me would be up to them of course.

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 11 Oct 12 - 08:46 AM

Caveat: While Marsen does assert that "MANY relatives knew of Savile's sordid past", he does not assert that ALL knew.

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 11 Oct 12 - 08:42 AM

Musket: "A bit of a mental leap to say his nephew knew he abused children so you are sure they all did."

I believe Keith is referring to assertions made by Savile's nephew Guy Marsden, who has accused Savile of using him as an intermediary between adults and younger children at paedophile parties when he was thirteen, had this to say about other members of Savile's family:

"Other members of Savile's family spoke out last week to condemn a TV programme alleging the DJ sexually abused teenage girls, but the nephew said many relatives were aware of his sordid past."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2213636/Uncle-Jimmy-took-sick-parties-Nephew-tells-childhood-stolen-13.html

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: Musket
Date: 11 Oct 12 - 08:26 AM

A bit of a mental leap to say his nephew knew he abused children so you are sure they all did.

Righteous indignation is one thing, but applying it to assumptions is another. Family of perpetrators of crime are a form of victim, as their world comes crashing down through no fault of their own. If anybody here had concerns that a famous relative may live up to the rumours you hear, how many of us would report to the police? Really?

No, even the nephew is a victim because like everybody else who has only just come forward, he knew that it would be you versus a man on a pedestal made of solid gold, with a wall of society and pandering media surrounding it.

That's the issue here. Not that Saville was a monster and abused his position for his sexual lust. The issue is that it was easier to put up with him than to crucify a role model in the public's eye.

And that is why this is such a story versus the next monster, and there are some in court all the time. Saville hits the headlines because he was protected by all and sundry, and all and sundry are examining their conscience right now.....

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish
Date: 11 Oct 12 - 07:36 AM

Best idea yet........

Relatives consider digging him up and cremating him

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 11 Oct 12 - 04:33 AM

Suppose they found out, did nothing, and allowed it to continue Eliza.

There is no reason to suppose that they did not know, and good reason to suppose that they did.
If they did they are part of the cover up that allowed the crimes to continue.

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 11 Oct 12 - 04:29 AM

Greg, sinners may be buried, and in consecrated ground if desired. But to erect eulogistic tablets on their graves listing their wonderful works when in fact they were intrinsically evil goes beyond the pale.
Regarding his relatives, one can surely feel for them. They must be horrified and disgusted in equal measure. And I expect ignorant folk will try to get at them simply because they ARE his kin. If I found out a member of my family was a rapist and a paedophile I would suffer from shock and (illogically) shame.

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 11 Oct 12 - 02:45 AM

Don,
I have nothing but sympathy for the victims. The difference between you and me is that you don't recognise that his family ARE among that group.

I am glad to hear of your sympathy, because you have only expressed it for the rapists relatives.
I do not see his family as victims.
There are no parents, no wife and no children.
His nephew knew that he abused children so I am sure they all did, and they all benefited from his largess.

I have never posted anything bashing any ethnic group, and I would never use a racist expression such as you just used Don, but I do not think heinous sex crimes should be kept quiet to spare the rapists relations or community.

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Oct 12 - 01:36 AM

If you want to get all abusive about it, feel free.

Who is getting abusive and how?

And if accuracy is important it also happens to be a fact that, before Mike Godwin in 1990, a certain Theophilus Goodwin, Woodworker and collector or interesting bottletops, from Little Hulton near Manchester, postulated that if anyone ever mentioned the Germans on a thread everyone turned into Basil Fawlty and the thread died. Now this, as far as I remember, was back in 1987 and pre-dates Godwin by some time. Ever since then it has been refered to as Goodwins Law. Now, unless you happened to be in the same pub at the same time you would not have known this. So I forgive you. I suspect that Mike Godwin was sat in the corner with half a mild and a packet of prawn cocktail crisps when he stole the idea.

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Big Al Whittle
Date: 11 Oct 12 - 01:11 AM

Mike Godwin said, you keep mentioning Hitler
You keep saying his name for no reason partitular
He was a lawyer was Godwin
Wouldn't let no sod win
he thought, that Lizzie Cornish, that won't half skittle her.

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 10 Oct 12 - 11:23 PM

DtG ~ The near-coincidence of our wives' similar names need not blind us to the fact that Accuracy Matters, & the guy under discussion who postulated the 'Law' was called Godwin, not Goodwin.

If this too prim or pompous or pedantic for you, tough titty. Such happens to be the fact. If you want to get all abusive about it, feel free. You will but place yourself.

~M~

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Oct 12 - 09:54 PM

Cremate him. It's closer to where he ended up anyway, for those who have beliefs about this sort of thing.

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: greg stephens
Date: 10 Oct 12 - 06:13 PM

Unbelievable. Are sinners no longer to be buried?

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish
Date: 10 Oct 12 - 05:37 PM

I thought nurses were supposed to 'care' for their patients, not knowingly leave them in the 'care' of sex abusers.

Curiouser and Curiouser....




Apparently he was buried upright so he 'could see the sea'- No comment

Coffins & Concrete

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Oct 12 - 05:11 PM

MtGM - I am partic sensitive to that one: my dear first wife Valerie's maiden name was Godwin

If that is any excuse I must also point out that my wife's maiden name is Goodwin! :-)

That aside the thread has taken a turn for the worse. I am just waiting for somene to suggest that anyone who committed a crime does not deserve to be buried. Maybe we should adorn the countryside with their rotting corpses on gibbets? Or maybe put their heads on spikes like in the good old days? Worse still, the suggestion could be that if the girls wore short skirts and make-up, as they often did in the 60s and 70s, then they were partly to blame. It has been said on Mudcat before!

DtG

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: Penny S.
Date: 10 Oct 12 - 01:18 PM

I wasn't thinking of names!

I don't believe that stone can carry the taint of something like that, and if it could be used for good, it should be.

But clearly enough people think it can be tainted that it should be pulverised.

It must be an enormous relief for some of the people concerned, like Leveller's MIL, to find that they were not alone.

And for people like the nurses who knew that things were not right but had no power to interfere (I've just seen reports from Stoke Mandeville from a patient who was advised to pretend to be asleep when he was on the ward.)

And I hope it is an enormous worry for those responsible for his private rooms in various institutions where, in one case, he was the only man allowed on the ward. What gave him his power? Made him able to put things into his autobiography that should have had the police on his doorstep with impunity? The whole thing stinks.

Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK disc jockey
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 10 Oct 12 - 11:51 AM

""How about some concern for the victims, instead of just for the perpetrators' relations?""

I have nothing but sympathy for the victims. The difference between you and me is that you don't recognise that his family ARE among that group.

That is the last response you will get out of me on this, or indeed on your Paki bashing threads, though I will, if I feel so inclined make comments on the content of your biased maunderings.

Don T.