Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile of BBC [2011]

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 15 Oct 12 - 11:27 AM

You should, Myer, consider your analogies more carefully. Think about the functions of the Pons Asinorum a moment. Horse, drink. Duck, quack.

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 15 Oct 12 - 10:54 AM

One of the most misinterpreted out-of-context remarks ever was her "No such thing as society"; which was not, however, as well-phrased as it might have been, leaving her vulnerable to the kind of misrepresentation and obloquy which followed, as she subsequently admitted."

Does that qualify as "adulation", I wonder, Jim? Oh dear me. Still waiting patiently for some examples of posts which you think are: but I won't hold my breath. You have, as I explicitly predicted, typically avoided that question and purported to be dealing with it by answering another one which nobody asked ~~~ your usual sort of MO in such situations, as I remarked before.

BTW, you keep saying my assumptions as to your political allegiances are mere guestimate. Same goes for you (+ old Richie Pons-Asinorum) re mine, for the matter of that. You are a proper old pot·&·kettler, did you know that?

~M~

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: Silas
Date: 15 Oct 12 - 10:52 AM

Oi! I knew Les Dawson very well, you cannot compare him to those other people!

Although he was famous for his MIL jokes, thats all they were - jokes.

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Oct 12 - 10:41 AM

Sorry Dave - I Realised I'd made a mistake when I sent it - of course I meant that loveable racist misogynist Bernard Manning - will go and wash my mouth out
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Oct 12 - 10:34 AM

Savile, Dawson, Starr, Davidson

Tsk, tsk Jim - How can you lump Les in with the rest of that crew? Must have been a musical genius to play like this. :-)

Saville was a case on his own as this thread shows. Compared to Starr and Davidson, Dawson was a breath of fresh air. The only pity was he did that crap Blankety Blank show but I can forgive him that.

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Oct 12 - 09:34 AM

"Carroll has managed to slip in that Saville was responsible for the sacking of Charles Parker....."
No - I never said anything resembling such a stupid statement - your dishonesty does you no credit (either that, or your acute dyslexia is in need of urgent treatment.
I said "Savile and others were used as part of the the dumbing down of our media."
As far as I know Savile had no say in BBC policy, but those who did were replacing a pretty high quality service with a dumbed down one dominated by people like Savile, Dawson, Starr, Davidson et al.
Don't suppose it's any use to you (unless your local night school does literacy classes for beginners) but there's an excellent book on the BBC entitled Prospero and Ariel - the rise and fall of radio, a personal recollection, by D G Bridson.
"the radio ballads were nothing to do with folk music"
The Radio Ballads had everything to do with folk music - all of them included some traditional songs as well as newly composed songs made using traditional tunes and forms - go and have a quick re-listen and see if you can spot them second time round.
"Th*tcher's contribution to less folk music on The BBC"
Why should anybody try - the rejection of folk music by the Beeb was all their own work.
It's always an indication that your points are striking home when your opponents need to resort to distortion and open dishonest instead of straightforward argument - keep up the good work!
"Sorry Jim , I still don' see the connection with Saville"
Jack Campin's photos make the connection for me Al. It remains to be seen exactly how much them upstairs knew about the reported abuse and what they were doing, if anything, to prevent it.
http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/multimedia/dynamic/00296/07sav_296940k.jpg
http://static9.imagecollect.com/preview/560/d9ecf90873ebc9a
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: Musket
Date: 15 Oct 12 - 08:12 AM

Mining wasn't a shit job Alan. I was very happy as a miner. it was a career with, in my case, professional qualifications and satisfaction of doing a job that contributed to the wealth of the nation. Not sure we all married early either. Sometimes very difficult to read how you and people around you have been stereotyped over the years.

You carpet fitter bit is spot on mind. When I left the pit, one of the other industries I sold equipment to in my new role as a rep / engineer was refractory concrete, as there were many steel industry plants around Sheffield and Rotherham, and the refractory trade supplied them........

Careful, Saville was a miner. The only time I saw him in the flesh was when he came to our pit canteen to launch a union sponsored charity....... Good soldier Schweik seems to forget something when he mentions social conscience. The reason Saville is in the public frame when he is neither the first or the last well known person to be a suspected paedophile is precisely because of his well known social conscience. Not all his fund raining efforts gave him access to children, and from accounts, not all access resulted in abuse.

Still a nasty bastard...

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: The Sandman
Date: 15 Oct 12 - 07:44 AM

Savile turning out on Thatcher's campaign trail were an indication of his Thatcherite values -,
I think that is a perfectly reasonable comment, that does not make Thatcher a sex abuset, furthermore JIM is not saying that.
I think jim is meaning the following, that Thatcher believed in a WORLD where people looked after number one and did not care about others,the survival of those that[are strongest or] starting off with the most money, she said that there was no such thing as society.
Jimmy Saville did not care about others,although his raising money for charity, may have been a way of getting rid of his guilt concerning his taste for sexual abuse.
But BOTH OF THEM along with Blair[ he supported the invasion of Iraq], were only concerned with power and themselves, AND promoting themselves, and appeared to have little concern about treating people with respect. Thatcher was not a sexual abuser, but she[imo] had little social conscience, a trait she shared with Saville .

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 15 Oct 12 - 06:26 AM

No the human race wasn't near perfection, but Thatch buggered up a lot of peoples lives.

I always thnk about carpet fitters somehow. Housing tends to be cheap in mining areas, and one compensation of a shit job is that miners used to be able to buy their families, (hey used to marry early) a very nice house, better tha most young married Londoners could dream of.

Then they needed carpet fitters and the like to make their homes look nice. After Thatch closed all the mines, broke up the families - the housing market collapsed - estate agents, solicitors, carpet fitters - they all started going broke and out of business. Twas not pretty. I appreciate most southerners didn't have a ringside seat - so they went on voting for her - by and large they were taken care of.

Sorry Jim , I still don' see the connection with Saville. John Wayne Gacy got photographed with every serving Preseident of the USA - it doesn't mean to say, they knew what was in his floorspace.

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: Musket
Date: 15 Oct 12 - 06:26 AM

Did you notice that?

Carroll has managed to slip in that Saville was responsible for the sacking of Charles Parker, the ending of the radio ballads and the dumbing down of folk on The BBC...

I'm well and truly fucking staggered... Mind you, let's wait and see if he can weave in Th*tcher's contribution to less folk music on The BBC.

For his information, the radio ballads were nothing to do with folk music. They were documentaries on working life. The music was no more (and no less) than a medium for expanding the image the interviews were portraying.



Careful Bridge.. Truth has no place when the nation is in a hand wringing session.

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 15 Oct 12 - 06:06 AM

As Lord Denning said in Roe -v- MoH [1954] one "must not look at the 1947 accident with 1954 spectacles". The standards that might have been expected in the late 60s and early 70s are not those of today and there are two distinctions to be drawn.

First - age, or rather sexual development. It has already been pointed out above that an 8 year old is a different person from a 15 year old, and even the law recognises this - Sections 5 to 8 deal with offences against teh under 13s (12 and downward) but SSn 9-15 13 to 15 and SSn 16 to 14 the limited range that relate to 16 to 18.

Second - coercion or its absence. You can't simply draw a realistic line between invited and uninvited sexual advances, as otherwise the first invitation is always an uninvited advance.

The 60s were the years of the great sexual revolution - they did not legitimate sex with under 13s, but, to be frank, sex with under 16s was commonplace (and the law of "abuse of position of trust" did not yet exist and still does not apply to rock stars or DJs with whom groupies want sex). Equally they did not legitimate coercion or assault.

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: selby
Date: 15 Oct 12 - 05:29 AM

According to some of todays papers another disc jockey has form, with uninvited sexual advances. What was going on at the BBC at this time.The BBC is listened to all around the world through its world service to get the TRUTH. The damage done by these self serving monsters to their victims and the BBC is immeasurable.
Keith

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Oct 12 - 05:23 AM

"So are we to assume that Karl Marx sexually abusing his young house maid was an indication of *his* Thatcherite values?"
No - it was an indication of his abusing his maid - if that is what happened.
Savile turning out on Thatcher's campaign trail were an indication of his Thatcherite values - you apparently wish to continue on this theme - not me
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 15 Oct 12 - 03:52 AM

I'd like to point out that I only came to the "Thatcher" debate on this thread after the apologists for her started. Ask Myer the meaning of "apologist". It's nothing to do with the current conventional meaning of "apology".

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: Rob Naylor
Date: 15 Oct 12 - 03:38 AM

Big Al: Bollocks to Thatcher - she has nowt to do with this - far as I can see. This Saville bugger was up to no good through various administrations.

Lets agree to drop that bit.

I agree: As little love as I have for the woman myself, it seems that there are people who tend to ascribe all the ills of the world to her, as if she's some kind of unique demon from the pits of hell who single-handedly caused the human race to fall from a state of near-perfection!

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: Rob Naylor
Date: 15 Oct 12 - 03:27 AM

JC: Savile and his ilk sum up the values of Thatcher's Britain pretty well

So are we to assume that Karl Marx sexually abusing his young house maid was an indication of *his* Thatcherite values?

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Oct 12 - 03:11 AM

"Time for it to be closed, methinks."
Not really B - the Thatcher connection was well established by those who pointed out the support that Savile gave her.
"Lets agree to drop that bit."
Agreed - you are right that we've chuntered on long enough though.
Savile was what he was, and that seems to be well on the way to being proven; he's dead an beyond punishment, but his victims are still around and need closure on what happened to them. Part of that closure has to be finding out who knew what, and why he was allowed to go on doing what he apparently did for so long unchecked.
Also, for me, it's worth looking what Savile and others were used for as part of the the dumbing down of our media. His rise to being one of the Beeb's blue eyed boys coincided with the ending of the Radio Ballads, the sacking of Charles Parker and the closure of the features department which gave us so many folk-based programmes.
Film and radio programme makers like Philip Donellan had to fight to have their films shown (his 'Gone For a Soldier' met with so much resistance that it was debated in Parliament) and many of them had to resort to showing their work privately. Eventually they disappeared from our screens and radios altogether, to be replaced by such reliable role models as Bernard Manning, Freddie Starr, Russell Brand, Jonathon Ross, Jim Davidson......
If the BBC and other bodies have deliberately covered up Savile's abuse in order to give us the pale shadow we have today, they have far more than abuse victims to answer to.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 15 Oct 12 - 02:51 AM

Don't waste your time trying to reason with any of them, Ian. Their heads are firmly embedded in their own recta.

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Musket sans cookie
Date: 15 Oct 12 - 02:34 AM

As thread drift seems an occupational hazard on this subject...

Please forgive me.

Bridge. I just want to take you up on your stance of being proud to be on the left. You see, that troubles me. Shouldn't I know but it does.

It just goes to prove what you keep denying, that you are not capable of rational debate. You have a stance and judge everything by it. You should run for Archbishop of Canterbury. Christian welcome preconceived viewpoints, and they make decent cups of tea after their group indignation sessions on a Sunday.

Being proud of a fixed stance which any subject is then compared to does you no credit.

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 15 Oct 12 - 02:24 AM

perhaps we could do a cabaret spot - songs from the boor wars...

why does everybody call me bighead?
I'm a pink toothbrush, you're a homophobic bastard...no I'm not
Putting on the Ritz...?you pathetic upper class swine...!I'm not!
To be a Farmers Boy...murdering defenceless animals
The folks who live on the hill...have no right to describe that as folk music!
Camptown Racists sing this Song.   I'm not a racist,! Yes you are!

I wonder who would sing those numbers....

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 15 Oct 12 - 02:14 AM

Well I'm a member and I'm sick to the back teeth of Carroll, Hertford, Bridge and the rest of the Usual Suspects Gang shitting up any thread they alight on with their sickening, childish name-calling and squabbling. For God's sake grow up, you morons, or (preferably) bugger off for ever.

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 15 Oct 12 - 12:32 AM

Perhaps rather a boorish thing for a Guest to say of his hosts? If you don't like us, don't visit us but take your boredom elsewhere, Mr/Ms Bored... I don't expect any of would repine too bitterly at your absence.

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Bored with boors
Date: 15 Oct 12 - 12:21 AM

MtheGM, you are one of a small group of mudcat posters
who never fail to hijack and spam threads for your own petty personal squabbles.
You are all boring boors.

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 14 Oct 12 - 11:43 PM

"Myer, Myer - you"
.,,.
If you cannot have the courtesy to use my correct title, Mr Bridge, I have nothing further to say to you. You have not been invited to address me in that familiar, arrogant, discourteous fashion, and you have no sort of warrant to do so.

You are a yobbo & a boor. I do not debate with yobboes and boors.

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: Jack Campin
Date: 14 Oct 12 - 08:48 PM

Thanks to Johnny J on another forum for this one:

Jimmy Savile's March to Lochaber Games

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 14 Oct 12 - 07:27 PM

92

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 14 Oct 12 - 06:57 PM

""Paedophiles in Prison and online claim the children 'love it' and 'ask for it', 'it' meaning being raped. This reminds me of those who say women who are raped 'ask for it'. All teachers for example know that young pupils can get a 'crush' on them. They take great care to discourage it and to distance themselves from the child's emotional state. I'm very angry about this attitude that any paedophile can help himself to whatever arrives in front of him.""

On a point which was raised in protest when I used the word "Paedophile", (evidence, not anecdote please) does anybody know whether any, and if so how many, of Savile's victims were prepubescent?

It was pointed out fairly forcefully that I would be wrong to suggest that sex with underage girls was automatically paedophilia.

Don T.

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 14 Oct 12 - 06:50 PM

Bollocks to Thatcher - she has nowt to do with this - far as I can see. This Saville bugger was up to no good through various administrations.

Lets agree to drop that bit.

What I'd like to say is that I don't envy anyone whose job it is to sort this lot out regarding Saville. When all that stuff came out about him abusing young disabled people - I just felt like clamping my hands over my ears, and terrorising young girls. I just wanted to stop hearing any more but its seems like its everywhere on every newscast - every newspaper is running stories. All horrible, in their detail.

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 14 Oct 12 - 06:48 PM

""Savile and his ilk sum up the values of Thatcher's Britain pretty well""

A thoroughly inane statement Jim.

As has now become obvious, Savile had been conducting his nefarious activities for 21 years before Maggie Thatcher became prime minister.

In fact she became an MP a year after Savile became a Radio Luxembourg DJ.

Don T.

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 14 Oct 12 - 06:26 PM

DtG is right in what he says. It is the "hand on your ha'penny" brigade who implied what Eliza accused him of.

Myer, Myer - you defend and praise Thatcher. If you can't live with being faced with it, don't do it. And you repeatedly seek to misrepresent those left of Thatcher and the ultra-right Camermoron and his further right backbenchers as "ultra-left".

For a man who made a living (allegedly) with words you are very cavalier about accuracy.

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 14 Oct 12 - 05:38 PM

Dave the Gnome asks if Savile's Glitters and Co's victims were complicit in their own abuse' by wearing the wrong clothes, gushing over celebrities, inappropriate behaviour..."

NO I DID NOT.

I pointed out that certain people on this thread supported this philosophy. If you cannot be bothered to read even parts of the thread I linked then I will make it simple. I abhor the view that the victims of any such crime can be made, even partially, a scapegoat. Yet at least 2 of the people who are being very vociferous here suggested that the victims of rape can be held responsible for the actions of their attackers. There is no need for me to name the perpetrators. The sickening proof is in the thread.

Now, Eliza, go and look at the thread and see how wrong your assertion that I hold that view is. Apologies not required.

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: greg stephens
Date: 14 Oct 12 - 05:16 PM

Say what you like about Sir Jimmy, he's a great promoter of discussion.

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 14 Oct 12 - 05:15 PM

"Adulation" was the word you used, Mr Carroll. Not "defence". Might 'do nicely' for you because you are a spineless equivocator; but till you put your specific 'adulatory' quote where your foolish fat gob is, it won't do for me.

~M~

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 14 Oct 12 - 04:07 PM

Another thread hi-jacked by The Usual Fuckin' Suspects. Time for it to be closed, methinks.

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Oct 12 - 03:46 PM

You have consistently sprung to the defence of one of the most reactionary leaders Britain has had within living memory - men fighting for the right to earn a living - "the enemy within"; "there is no such thing as society", using the power given to her by the electorate to get her criminal son off the hook (after his having grassed on his mates) and maintaining a silence on her tying in Britain with a fascist dictator and mass killer (and finally describing her stance as "Diplomatically motivated") spinelessly reactionary and dishonest with it.
That'll do nicely, thank you.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 14 Oct 12 - 03:38 PM

No ~~ YOU look, Mr Bridge ~~ and kindly consider what on earth makes you imagine yourself entitled to address me in that peremptory tone, you fatuous lefty upstart.

Hmmm?

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 14 Oct 12 - 02:41 PM

Look. Those of us who are left of centre are proud of our humanitarian position compared to the adulators of mammon and the nutball libertarians.

Those who persistently defend the authoritarian - indeed almost fascist - Thatcher deserve to be dubbed Thatcherites - and need to remember that most people now remember her with hate. She was an enemy of the workers and the unwaged. I see her as little if any better than Pol Pot.

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 14 Oct 12 - 02:23 PM

Nor does it let you off the hook for your adulation of a friend and admirer of a mass-murderer·····
.,,.
Treating a bit of your fatuities with a great deal more respect & attention than deserved, Jim ~~

kindly quote back to me anything I have ever posted that could conceivable be described or defined as 'adulation' of the person in question

and I will reward you with a nice big read apple

--- & just for once don't fall back on the cop-out of responding to a challenge to provide an example that isn't there so you can't find it and you know you can't, with some such face-saving idiocy as "life's too short" or some such oh-2-typical Carollian evasion···

Just for once?

Eh?

There's a dear fellow·····

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 14 Oct 12 - 02:03 PM

Nor does it let you off the hook for your adulation of a friend and admirer of a mass-murderer
Even if there was the slightest truth in your guestimation of my politics, it still wouldn't make any difference to the Lady's political aspirations
"Diplomatically motivated" - "my arseum" - fascist apologist to the last
Jim Carroll
Nor does it let you off the hook for your adulation of a friend and admirer of a mass-murderer
Even if there was the slightest truth in your guestimation of my politics, it still w

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 14 Oct 12 - 02:02 PM

Jim, I must have read hundreds of your below the line posts.
They are all written from an extreme radical Left perspective.

That may mean nothing, but if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and looks like a duck.....

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 14 Oct 12 - 01:59 PM

Nor does it let you off the hook for your adulation of a friend and admirer of a mass-murderer
Even if there was the slightest truth in your guestimation of my politics, it still wouldn't make any difference to the Lady's political aspirations
"Diplomatically motivated" - "my arseum" - fascist apologist to the last
Jim Carroll
Nor does it let you off the hook for your adulation of a friend and admirer of a mass-murderer
Even if there was the slightest truth in your guestimation of my politics, it still wouldn't make any difference to the Lady's political aspirations
"Diplomatically motivated" - "my arseum" - fascist apologist to the last
Jim Carroll
Nor does it let you off the hook for your adulation of a friend and admirer of a mass-murderer
Even if there was the slightest truth in your guestimation of my politics, it still wouldn't make any difference to the Lady's political aspirations
"Diplomatically motivated" - "my arseum" - fascist apologist to the last
Jim Carroll

Ho hum
yawwwwnnnnnn
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Musket sans cookie
Date: 14 Oct 12 - 01:35 PM

Tempted to start another thread on Th*tcher so Jim Carroll can waffle on about a country he loves so much he buggered off.

This is about Saville, his sexual methods for gratification and control of vulnerable children and adults, and how society allowed him to get away with it because his image was too useful to destroy.

That goes to the heart of society, not the flavour of government for 10% of his life.

If you can twist Saville stories to include that bitch, you are no better than The Daily M*il and its excuse to use him for it's vendetta agenda against whatever the hell they hate this week.

You concentrate on buggering priests and allow those who haven't failed as UK citizens to worry about UK monsters.

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 14 Oct 12 - 01:28 PM

Dave the Gnome asks if Savile's Glitters and Co's victims were complicit in their own abuse' by wearing the wrong clothes, gushing over celebrities, inappropriate behaviour..."
Young teenagers will always be starstruck by famous people, want the latest fashions and behave in a silly way until they become more mature. Is this ANY reason for a pervert to profit from this and go ahead to rape/abuse them?? It is NEVER the fault of the victim and ALWAYS the fault of the abuser. Paedophiles in Prison and online claim the children 'love it' and 'ask for it', 'it' meaning being raped. This reminds me of those who say women who are raped 'ask for it'. All teachers for example know that young pupils can get a 'crush' on them. They take great care to discourage it and to distance themselves from the child's emotional state. I'm very angry about this attitude that any paedophile can help himself to whatever arrives in front of him.

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 14 Oct 12 - 01:17 PM

Duck

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Oct 12 - 01:13 PM

" I would just remark that her diplomatically motivated affability to Pinochet, which you never stop drivelling on about, was not in the same league of iniquity as all your predecessors'"
And I would remind you that despite your squalid little attempred witch-hunt failed miserably to establish a connection between me and any particular political philosophy - leaving you to resort to your protege's tactic of inventing one - I'm afraid your short spoon at the dinner party is showing
Nor does it let you off the hook for your adulation of a friend and admirer of a mass-murderer
Even if there was the slightest truth in your guestimation of my politics, it still wouldn't make any difference to the Lady's political aspirations
"Diplomatically motivated" - "my arseum" - fascist apologist to the last
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: The Sandman
Date: 14 Oct 12 - 12:26 PM

i find it sickening that all the politicians[blair and thatcher] wanted to be seen with Saville.
There was a time when politicians HAD PRINCIPLES, most of them now, apart from those on the far left or far right, are just doing it as a money making career.

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 14 Oct 12 - 11:38 AM

Oh, dear, Jim. What a bore you are. If you must turn this into another of your THATCH-BASH THREADS, I would just remark that her diplomatically motivated affability to Pinochet, which you never stop drivelling on about, was not in the same league of iniquity as all your predecessors' interminable sycophantic adulation of Stalin in the late 30s, even after all the facts about the Moscow Trials came out. No doubt you yourself, had you been around, would have been one of those arse-licking 'useful idiots', as dear old Uncle Joe was wont to call them.

Ho-hum.

Your turn...


Grits teeth and stifles yawn...

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Oct 12 - 11:22 AM

"I am NOT a Thatcherite?"
Hate to be the bearer of bad news Mike but anybody who responds to descriptions of Thatcher's attitude to crimes against humanity and mass murder with "she did some good things" is not only a Thatcherite but an apologist for those human rights crimes and mass murder (and then scurries away hurridly) IS A THATCHERITE (or a poor political satirist - take your pick)
Then again - I could be wrong - maybe it's good old middle-class gallantry that causes you to spring to the lady's defence every time her crimes are mentioned.
As Richard says - "if it walks like a duck......"
Savile and his ilk sum up the values of Thatcher's Britain pretty well
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 14 Oct 12 - 09:33 AM

Most valuable contribution to the argument, Mr Bridge; well up to your customary intellectual standards.

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 14 Oct 12 - 08:53 AM

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and looks like a duck.