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Subject: RE: BS: Occupy Wall Street; The 99% From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 07 Dec 11 - 03:59 PM Well, after his speech yesterday, I think ALL doubt should be removed as to what a piece of shit, and incapable ideologue he is. This clown, has got to go down as the crappiest president America has EVER had the misfortune of being deceived by!!!!!!!!! Bobert, and anyone else out there, DON'T EVEN try trying to convince me, and/or anyone else, that this 'Democrat' president is worth diddly-squat! I hope you heard it.....and puked accordingly! This guy should have run for president in Somalia! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Occupy Wall Street; The 99% From: Melissa Date: 07 Dec 11 - 01:35 PM How is the idea of Occupying foreclosed houses supposed to work? What's the deal with Occupying empty lots? Is this stepping from Right to Assemble to Civil Disobedience? I live in a very small town and we have several empty lots. They don't seem overly offensive to me. Is the Occupy Empty Lots thing something that only makes sense in built-up cities? I understand that the crazy foreclosures are awful, but I don't understand the Occupying thing. Being in the yard of a house doesn't hamper paperwork, does it? I'd appreciate it if somebody could explain this to me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Occupy Wall Street; The 99% From: Bobert Date: 07 Dec 11 - 08:43 AM "Don't worry, be happy" isn't an option, Ake... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Occupy Wall Street; The 99% From: akenaton Date: 07 Dec 11 - 04:00 AM I did hold your position for many years, but seeing the other half of humanity as your enemy is not the answer. They are just like you and I, but perhaps a bit more realistic. A revolution today would be a disaster, we must learn to disregard all political divisions.....be willing to compromise and stop trying to reform society in your own image. Learn that at the moment, society is infected by a virulent disease, which will take many years to irradicate. Be patient. Stop wasting enegy on treating the symptoms. Learn that "equality" will never exist, but that we all have different talents, each as valuable in its own way as any other. Try a little spirituality. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Occupy Wall Street; The 99% From: Jack the Sailor Date: 06 Dec 11 - 10:48 PM Gnu, Old bean ya got me thinkin. Now I think I understand the Fox reporters reaction. I don't excuse it mind you, but I understand it. You see if you or I spent every single working moment with our bosses looking over our shoulder making sure that we relentlessly pushed a specific agenda. We might, as a defense mechanism for our tortured consciences, start to think that everyone else is doing the same thing. We might think that Jason Segel (the star and writer of the film) wrote this movie only to brainwash kids about big business. We might not use our heads and look at it from a writers perspective. He needed an antagonist who threatened the Muppet reunion and a physical icon to represent the Muppet show. When he chose the Muppet theater, that the antagonist had to threaten theater with destruction. That leave three possible choices. Real estate developer, Oil Barron or giant termite. Personally I would have liked the termite. But I am guessing that they didn't have the FX budget. Real estate was out. Even the kids know that Paulson, Bush and the banks have made active Real Estate developers as rare as Sasquach. The kids will believe in Tinker Bell but not a developer buying property in this market. So that leaves the oil guy. And even though we all know that the fracking industry is the one and only savior of American jobs and the environment. You have seen the ads. So have I. It just never entered the Fox Newsies minds that one, just one of all the drillers, in a fictional context could ever be evil for the sake of a story. Face it Jason Segel isn't anti-corporate, he is just a hack writing the simplest possible hackneyed cliche. He can't be anti corporate. He did the film for Disney! for gorsh sakes. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Occupy Wall Street; The 99% From: Bobert Date: 06 Dec 11 - 07:02 PM B-I-N-G-O, Don!!! B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Occupy Wall Street; The 99% From: Don Firth Date: 06 Dec 11 - 05:37 PM If they could, and if they are in possession of a brain cell or two, they might just change their position. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Occupy Wall Street; The 99% From: Bobert Date: 06 Dec 11 - 05:08 PM Ake, No, we don't always listen to stuff we agree with... Just off the top of my head I can argue any right winged position just as well as anyone on the right can... How can that be if I'm not paying one hell of a lot of attention to folks with whom I completely disagree... Speak for yourself, Ake, but most of my progressive friends are like me... We want to know what the enemy is up to... BTW, I doubt seriously if too many folk on the right can argue our positions... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Occupy Wall Street; The 99% From: gnu Date: 06 Dec 11 - 05:00 PM "Fools listen only to what they want to hear. An intelligent person knows that listening to facts that he or she doesn't want to hear can avert disaster." Well, I can see their point... we ARE talking about kids watching puppets. Perhaps it really is a bit OTT to expect children to be "intelligent"? Then again, there are a lot of adults watching the puppets on Fox and the puppets in government and it appears THEY can't make an intelligent decision... for whatever reason and there seems to be many reasons. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Occupy Wall Street; The 99% From: Don Firth Date: 06 Dec 11 - 04:40 PM Fools listen only to what they want to hear. An intelligent person knows that listening to facts that he or she doesn't want to hear can avert disaster. The idea that we listen only to what we want to hear is a handy (but ineffective) club that people who want to advance spurious arguments use to try to beat up on those who tell them they are full of--prunes. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Occupy Wall Street; The 99% From: Jack the Sailor Date: 06 Dec 11 - 03:40 PM "Don't we all listen to what we want to hear?" Only if by "we" you are including yourself as willfully ignorant and speak only for that group. Then yes. If I am ignorant, I am not willfully so. I hear a lot of things I don't like on nearly every media source. But I listen anyway as a way to try to stave off ignorance. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Occupy Wall Street; The 99% From: akenaton Date: 06 Dec 11 - 03:32 PM Dont we all listen to what we want to hear? The Western "developed" countries are in terminal decline. NOBODY wants to hear THAT!...but it is true none the less. We prefer to cling on to the forlorn hope that "something will turn up" and that our team will triumph. Sad really. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Occupy Wall Street; The 99% From: Jack the Sailor Date: 06 Dec 11 - 02:33 PM They are telling the willfully ignorant what they want to hear. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Occupy Wall Street; The 99% From: Bobert Date: 06 Dec 11 - 01:15 PM The people at FOX routinely bypass sound economic principles and sound science... They are either very ignorant or very evil... You pick... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Occupy Wall Street; The 99% From: GUEST,999 Date: 06 Dec 11 - 12:37 PM Our future is in good hands with people like those from Fox News keeping an eye on things for us all and being so helpful in interpreting the datum (note use of the singular). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Occupy Wall Street; The 99% From: Melissa Date: 05 Dec 11 - 10:37 PM We're brainwashed by Muppets Who knew? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Occupy Wall Street; The 99% From: Bobert Date: 05 Dec 11 - 04:50 PM If it takes across the board then so be it... But with that decreased infusion of cash into a stagnated economy it will have to come with a package of investments in infrastructure which will get the unemployment down, cash in those folks pockets and back into the economy... This isn't politics here... It is sound economic principles being used rather than ignored... Any economist worth his or her salt will see thing exactly the way I have laid them out... Basic economics ain't as difficult as the current batch of Republicans want you to think... I mean, even a caveman get learn it... I argue sound fiscal policies first and politics a distant second... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Occupy Wall Street; The 99% From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 05 Dec 11 - 03:58 PM OK....but before, you were arguing AGAINST the extension of the 'Bush' tax breaks, across the board. I was merely asking you for a clarification...because you even said that you, would be happy to pay more taxes..which I replied, that you could always 'volunteer' to send more in.....then you got pissed at me. It's 'ironic'...both sides have seemed to switch stripes. You think it might be that the Republicans, anticipating a victory over Obama, in the next election, are pushing the same agenda of Obama....because perhaps its all a charade? Honest question....no baiting. GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Occupy Wall Street; The 99% From: Bobert Date: 05 Dec 11 - 09:15 AM All taxes are not the same... Tax relief for the working class means that $$$ will get spent in the economy and therefor contribute positively to not only "growth" but to "GNP"... Tax relief for the rich, we have seen, does not get spent and therefore a drain on "growth" and "GNP"... Money not circulated is wasted $$$... Basic Economics 201... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Occupy Wall Street; The 99% From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 05 Dec 11 - 04:57 AM Oh..and Bobert, you and I have gone 'round a couple of times about taxes. You wanted them raised, and I was opposed to that.(If you remember)....but now the Democrats are Supporting extending the tax cuts, which are due to expire. Has YOUR position changed as well?..or are you still in favor or taxes being raised??? Fair question. GfS P.S. (not related): How's CD sales going? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Occupy Wall Street; The 99% From: Bobert Date: 04 Dec 11 - 07:18 PM Exactly, Strings... Today the corporate Washington Post wrote that "OWS clashed with police"... Clashed??? OWS was 100% non-violent today while the police came in an physically removed them... Where's the "clash"... Newt GingRICH (and getting richer) makes a statement that OWS should take a bath and get jobs... hahaha, right??? Has he ever been to an OWS event??? He is clueless about OWS as are those who parrot his bigotry... I mean, lets get real here... BIG MEDIA is lying thru its teeth about OWS... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Occupy Wall Street; The 99% From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 04 Dec 11 - 03:28 PM Well Strings, then which would rather be controlled by, Fascism or Communism? And just HOW are they different?.....like which one gives you a say, or vote..or representation?.....or FREEDOM??? GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Occupy Wall Street; The 99% From: Stringsinger Date: 04 Dec 11 - 01:29 PM No, communism isn't global corporatism, that's more like fascism. One could argue that China or the Former Soviet Union didn't practice a legitimate form of communism. The best example for that would be the mythos of Jesus and his disciples. The 99% Occupiers represent the best of democracy, winning by consensus, coming to agreements which are time consuming but rewarding. I recommend that everyone attend a General Assembly more than once to get an idea of what's going on today. There is a revolution out there and it will and will not be televised. It will however be distorted by the corporate media. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Occupy Wall Street; The 99% From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 03 Dec 11 - 09:42 PM short break from studio work... Don: "We've worked so hard at exporting democracy to the rest of the world that we've run short of it here at home. . . ." Yeah, as long as the 'Democracy(?)' falls under the auspicious of the globalist's corporatism....wait a minute.....isn't that just another word for communism? Jeez Don,..we're connecting....... GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Occupy Wall Street; The 99% From: Bobert Date: 03 Dec 11 - 08:07 PM Yup, Don, but the brand of democracy we've been exporting ain't no better than ours... Nice song by Buddy Tabor... Thanks, Eb... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Occupy Wall Street; The 99% From: GUEST, Eb Date: 03 Dec 11 - 03:04 PM Thanks, Bruce. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Occupy Wall Street; The 99% From: Don Firth Date: 03 Dec 11 - 03:00 PM We've worked so hard at exporting democracy to the rest of the world that we've run short of it here at home. . . . Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Occupy Wall Street; The 99% From: GUEST,999 Date: 03 Dec 11 - 01:53 PM Here's the link, Eb (I hope). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Occupy Wall Street; The 99% From: GUEST, Eb Date: 03 Dec 11 - 12:44 PM My post wasn't clear- I meant to say that I don't know who created the video, but that the voice and song is Buddy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Occupy Wall Street; The 99% From: GUEST, Eb Date: 03 Dec 11 - 12:03 PM Curve ball here - Last night I came across a YouTube video that uses Buddy Tabor's song 'Corporate Domination' interlaced with video of Occupiers' interactions with police. I don't know who did it but it is quite well done. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Occupy Wall Street; The 99% From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 02 Dec 11 - 05:55 PM Short attention span? Besides, you could actually learn something. GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Occupy Wall Street; The 99% From: Bobert Date: 02 Dec 11 - 03:54 PM Not to worry, Jack... Any post that long isn't going to get read by me... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Occupy Wall Street; The 99% From: Stringsinger Date: 02 Dec 11 - 03:38 PM New alliances are being made, the conversation changing away from trivial issues, this Movement bringing new friends closer together, realizing we are all in this mess together, we, having a share in the outcome, waking up to just how much we are being screwed by the wealthy bankers, investors, big Pharma, the military industry, the bought politicians, and effete leadership in government, all this means that we will prevail. Bringing out the cops will continue to grow our Movement. Let the Frank Luntz's of the world bamboozle with tricky words and frames, the Newts with their worn-out platitudes,the GOP Congress who want the country to fail economically so that they can gain power, the ridiculous gang of four, twelve, or other deceptive distractions that keep Americans from finding their jobs, let 'em spin out while we will finally occupy the ideals that this country was founded upon and reform the Capitalist system. I think we can keep it, Ben Franklin. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Occupy Wall Street; The 99% From: WalkaboutsVerse Date: 02 Dec 11 - 05:44 AM My brief BBC Radio 3/Sage Gateshead speech "Cut Capitalism" - http://davidfranks.blogspot.com/2010/11/ne-england-gig-06112010.html |
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Subject: RE: BS: Occupy Wall Street; The 99% From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 02 Dec 11 - 01:25 AM Jack the Sailor: "Bobert, let it go. Please." I can't take it!! Sanity is driving me crazy!!!!! Wink!....(it happens) GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Occupy Wall Street; The 99% From: Jack the Sailor Date: 02 Dec 11 - 12:54 AM Bobert, let it go. Please. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Occupy Wall Street; The 99% From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 02 Dec 11 - 12:53 AM Bobert: "Of course you don't... You are not remotely associated with the progressive side of the isle..." and: "The people who were out saying "We want to take our country back" weren't talking about bankers or Wall Street... They were talking about progressives and, more specifically, a black president..." Bobert, If they, let's say the Tea Party, was saying that("We want to take our country back")..then why do you think they rallied, and some still do, around Herman Cain? I think they were more concerned about bigger, out of control government, and more taxes, along with a concern that we, as a country, were headed 'in the wrong direction'. The farther they were to the 'right', the more they were also dissatisfied with generic Republicans...and they also put quite a bit of pressure on the Republicans, and Republican congress. I don't think they were even remotely aware that Obama was a shill for Wall Street...though, Obama was mixed, because it appeared that he was also an ideologue. I used the word 'think'(above), because I've ALWAYS thought Obama was inept, and won the election, after he was risen to 'celebrity' status. My thrust has ALWAYS been the 'CORRUPTION'....(if you remember), and ALWAYS likened Congress and the Senate, as 'so-called Representatives'...even called them 'Brokers', used car salesmen,(and other such things) to denote that they were frauds! My posted history bears this out DISTINCTLY!!!..matter of fact, even argued about it with YOU!..and I've said NUMEROUS times that the CORRUPTION extended to BOTH parties....so much, that the letters 'C-O-R-R-U-P-T-I-O-N', and' B-O-T-H P-A-R-T-I-E-S' are worn out on my keyboard!! As to Don, (nicely)well, you know me, and I guess I'll just have to say it again.......about Obama....I was RIGHT again!...but that's no so much due to having a preference, as to a candidate(I thought McCain was a crooked, sold out, piece of shit, as well)..It had more to do with being a musician/composer/and counselor, and focusing on 'an objectivity'...and calling it how I saw it. I REALLY have NO partisan preference!!...That's why, when you asked me, who I thought would be a good ticket, I answered back to you a Kucinich/Paul or Paul Kucinich ticket would be interesting..NOT BECAUSE of their 'politics'(if you remember), but they seemed to be a bit more honest, though I DID question Kucinich's reversal on the 'heath care' debacle. Now that the 'Occupiers' have raised their 'concerns' about Wall Street, now the Wall Street/Washington connection of defrauding the American public, has, at least a chance of being looked at!(Note all my links earlier when Congress was grilling the Fed's chairman and legal counsel). (I just shove back, when someone accuses me of adopting the 'right', or Tea Party, or Fox News, etc. etc., stance on it....and gets nasty about it)..... As to Jack the Sailor: "BOBERT!! Will you please stop making this thread the Beg for Sanity show!!!" Ohhh, silly you!...what's the matter??....You don't like 'sanity'?... Old Arabian saying: "Neither reality, nor the sun can be looked at, for very long." Hey!....Nice exchanges!(Constructive, too!) GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Occupy Wall Street; The 99% From: Don Firth Date: 02 Dec 11 - 12:01 AM Excerpt from an article by William Greider in the November 22, 2011 issue of The Nation: This new movement [OWS] is probably more threatening to President Obama, because many of the young people and minorities who campaigned and voted for him in 2008 might drift away to Occupy's direct action. If Obama refuses to get tougher on reining in Wall Street, these former supporters may just skip voting in 2012. Yet this new force can ultimately help Obama if he responds to its message. Led by the young, the movement is aligning with the reviving militancy of labor and other progressive constituencies. The spirit is open-armed and patriotic, not negative and divisive. Obama should dare to lead it rather than dodge or oppose it. The Republicans are hopeless, of course, utterly in thrall to banking industry demands.The full article HERE. I had great hopes for Barack Obama, but as many people seem to feel, he hasn't measured up to the "audacity" of our "hopes." In truth, with the stonewalling of the Republican Congress who don't seem to give a damn what is good for the country, they just want to make sure that anything Obama is for, they will keep from happening, I'm not sure he could accomplish more than he has. I feel he has been too conciliatory and willing to compromise, which is not the way to deal with that crew. In any case, as Samuel Johnson said a few centuries ago, "Depend upon it, Sir, when a man knows he is to be hanged in a fortnight, it concentrates his mind wonderfully." If a sitting president feels that he is in danger of NOT being re-elected, it might concentrate his mind on trying a bit harder to accomplish what his constituents want him to do. Methinks there is a new wind about. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Occupy Wall Street; The 99% From: Jack the Sailor Date: 01 Dec 11 - 11:21 PM BOBERT!! Will you please stop making this thread the Beg for Sanity show!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Occupy Wall Street; The 99% From: Bobert Date: 01 Dec 11 - 11:06 PM Of course you don't... You are not remotely associated with the progressive side of the isle... Sleep with fleas and you gonna get bit... Same ol' story... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Occupy Wall Street; The 99% From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 01 Dec 11 - 10:55 PM Bobert: "The people who were out saying "We want to take our country back" weren't talking about bankers or Wall Street... They were talking about progressives and, more specifically, a black president..." That might be YOUR take on it, but I've NEVER heard that it EVER implied that!.......NEVER! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Occupy Wall Street; The 99% From: Stringsinger Date: 01 Dec 11 - 07:36 PM One thing more, if Obama doesn't veto the Defense Appropriation Bill, we will relive 1930's in Germany and the specter of Joe McCarthy will resurface. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Occupy Wall Street; The 99% From: Stringsinger Date: 01 Dec 11 - 07:32 PM Having attended a few General Assemblies, my view is that OWS is a work in progress. There is a class war in the US today. OWS has to win it non-violently. I call us OWS demonstrators "Patriots". We are working toward a more equitable and just society and that is the issue, not us as a group. We are leaderless and each of us is a leader. Non-violent resistance takes many forms. There is a history of this in our country and it's a winning strategy. Some definitions of what constitutes non-violent resistance are ambiguous. There are many ways to resist. Some would define sitting and linking arms in silent protest in resisting police as a form as violence however I think the First Amendment covers this as peaceable assembly. Some considered what MLK did was a form of violence and this was the rationale for his being vilified in the South. I don't agree with that assessment. OWS is not a single-issue message driven movement. Many people with different persuasions are coming together to finally connect the dots. A wartime economy, financed by banksters, corporations (who are not people), HMO CEO's, MIC organizations, bought politicians, money as free speech declared by SCOTUS and a wealthy class made selfish and rationalized by Ayn Rand should have shown to be clear enough to any thinking person. This movement will grow because the fate of our country depends upon it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Occupy Wall Street; The 99% From: Bobert Date: 01 Dec 11 - 06:57 PM The people who were out saying "We want to take our country back" weren't talking about bankers or Wall Street... They were talking about progressives and, more specifically, a black president... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Occupy Wall Street; The 99% From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 01 Dec 11 - 05:23 PM Well now, if Don and I can agree on something(anything)'political', we must have made headway. The 'Euro-zone' PEOPLE, are now freaking out, because the bankers/financial people have pretty much taken over, and they are saying, that the PEOPLE, have virtually NO SAY, in their country's policies. Any similarity between that thinking, and say, NAFTA and the other trade agreements is NOT co-incidental! I remember, on this thread, someone asked, "What it meant, 'taking back the country'".....are we closer to finding out? The politicians and financial/Wall Streeters/bankers, have just about locked it down, This is a last minute effort! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Occupy Wall Street; The 99% From: Don Firth Date: 01 Dec 11 - 02:29 PM I receive the Move-On newsletter in my e-mail every morning. Petition signed. Along with others that Move-On and a couple of other organizations have presented. I also receive AlterNet Headlines (excellent!) and several other newsletters and bulletins. Plenty tuned in. Occupy protesters who have been evicted in a couple of cities are gathering in groups in various less public locations and forming planning and action committees. But not just in the cities where they've been evicted. All over the country. The main goal right now is to make sure that everyone who is qualilfied (age, etc.) is registered to vote. Then to make sure everyone is informed on the issues (which most already are), and study the records of elected officials (who should go and who should stay). Far from over, this movement is just beginning. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Occupy Wall Street; The 99% From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 01 Dec 11 - 09:34 AM From the 'For what it's worth department': After 'Occupy L.A.' got 'evicted' from their encampment at City Hall, night before last, they(OWS) have announced last night, that they are going to focus on a moratorium on home foreclosures, (sound familiar?), and 'occupy' bank lobbies and bank owner's homes. I know, I know I know...I'm just a 'troll'!..... ...................who happens to be dialed in! GfS Petition, (use post text only) is: (Cut and Paste between the X's) XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX Tens of thousands of Americans have taken to the streets to demand accountability for the banks. But some members of the Obama administration—including members of his Cabinet—are pushing for a terrible deal to let the big banks off the hook for selling bad mortgages and then illegally foreclosing on homeowners—destroying the American Dream for millions of families.1 The president's top campaign advisers have said that he's going to run for re-election on his record of holding Wall Street accountable2—but that will be impossible if his administration pushes for another giveaway for the Wall Street banks who crashed our economy. And that could happen any day now.3 Can you sign our petition to President Obama right now telling him that we need a full investigation into the banks' wrongdoing, not another "deal" that lets them off the hook? Add my name to the petition to hold the banks accountable. We'll deliver it to the White House and to the campaign headquarters in Chicago. Here's what it says: "The banks have to be held accountable for destroying the American Dream for so many families. No immunity for the banks before a full investigation is done." Members of the Obama administration have said that the immunity they're offering the banks would be very narrow. But we can't know if what the banks are being asked to pay is fair without a full investigation. What's already come out is shocking—intentionally overlooking problematic documentation, hiring "robo-signers" to sign thousands of documents without reading them, and even forging critical legal documents.4 And while the administration says we have to cut a deal because it's the only way to get homeowners relief quickly, what the banks are offering would only help a fraction of the homeowners who are in trouble, and it's not even clear how many of them it would allow to stay in their homes.5 Some state attorneys general—led by New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman and Delaware Attorney General Beau Biden—have walked away from the deal, because they believe it doesn't go nearly far enough.6 But members of the administration, including Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner and HUD Secretary Shaun Donovan, are continuing to push for a deal—any deal—so they can SAY they won something against the banks.7 That's why it's so critical that we speak up now and say that granting the banks immunity before we know the scale of their wrongdoing makes no sense. A deal could come any day, so we all need to send a message to the president that he needs to step up and hold the banks accountable. Click below to sign now: http://pol.moveon.org/badagdeal/?id=32550-19313093 XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX |
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Subject: RE: BS: Occupy Wall Street; The 99% From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 01 Dec 11 - 12:02 AM Back a few posts back, was a link to a petition, to prosecute some of the 'robo-signers' and the banks(I mentioned the RICO statute in that). Two days later California, just 'HAD' to finally charge one of the banks, but mostly focused on the 'robo-signer'. What I suggest, is to cut and past that post, click the link, to apply the link, directly off the address bar, and apply it to the mail, and send it to everyone one your lists, and encourage them to pass it on, to everyone on their lists. Being as the dialogue has changed, and the public is getting aware of a few things, they make go for the petition...even though they may not like or approve of the 'Occupiers'....they don't have to, at this point, or maybe ever...but at least help get the ball rolling, within the system. Pressure needs to pour in on Holder's justice department...so far, he has done NOTHING! We the people will probably make him have to act! The more he resists,(if he does), the bigger the story...and the more questions asked!.....and it is, after all, an election year. Lot's of shit might come out.....but be forewarned, you might not like where it all leads....but let the chips fall where they must fall. ...and keep the discussion, MOVING, and ASKING QUESTIONS, and NOT SETTLING for soft answers! This is NOT a partisan issue....most of all those crooks have their fingers in the pie, and their feet in the trough!...and it crosses party lines...THEREFORE, lots of people may be prone to sign. Let 'WE THE PEOPLE' represent the issue, now that the 'Occupiers', have brought it up. Just a suggestion...and there's more that may come up. Keep the focus. GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Occupy Wall Street; The 99% From: GUEST Date: 30 Nov 11 - 06:44 PM |
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Subject: RE: BS: Occupy Wall Street; The 99% From: Bobert Date: 30 Nov 11 - 06:16 PM OWS isn't over at all, Ake... The seed is planted and the conversation has changed... OWS has been a complete success and won't die... We will carry it with us for a long time to come... Saying it is over is like saying the Beatles are over... It's a ridiculous statement, Ake, ol' buddy... B~ |
