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Subject: The Haggis season - when does it start? From: Bonzo Date: 03 Oct 99 - 03:36 PM Help! Watson my Haggis hound is going mad! he keeps flying around the room and barking. i haven't had him long (well a few years now). Does this mean it is the start of the Haggis hunting season or is he at a difficult age? Any suggestions on how to deal with him would be appreciated |
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Subject: RE: The Haggis season - when does it start? From: McKnees Date: 03 Oct 99 - 04:23 PM I always thought the season started once the haggi reverse direction and attempt to walk round the mountains with the two longer legs now closer to the mountain. They then roll down the side of the mountain, known as a Ben, where they are rounded up by the Haggis hounds unless they are at a difficult age, where upon the owners of the Haggis hounds check into the NYCFCP aka the Neil young centre for cronic punners and the hounds go to the dogs. McKnees |
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Subject: RE: The Haggis season - when does it start? From: wildlone Date: 03 Oct 99 - 04:25 PM According to Ye Olde Booke of Ye Hunting, Ye Haggi cannot be hunted until ye weeke afore Robbie Burns bithday. 25th Jan, So the season starts 18th Jan. |
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Subject: RE: The Haggis season - when does it start? From: sophocleese Date: 03 Oct 99 - 05:03 PM Here in Canada the haggis season starts November 30th when the first kill of the season is celebrated on St. Andrew's day. The celebration at the end of the season is Robbie Burns day. Christmas, which starts on Labour Day Weekend (the first weekend in September) of course overlaps this which is why so many of the decorations and clothes are a festive plaid. Your haggis hounds may have seen their first Christmas decorations appearing in a store and this may be what set them off. It is an understandable confusion. |
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Subject: RE: The Haggis season - when does it start? From: katlaughing Date: 03 Oct 99 - 06:12 PM wildlone, I am LMAOWROTF! That was priceless!! |
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Subject: RE: The Haggis season - when does it start? From: Ewan McVicar Date: 03 Oct 99 - 06:23 PM And some people say that Americans have no sense of no humour! |
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Subject: RE: The Haggis season - when does it start? From: Bonzo Date: 03 Oct 99 - 06:31 PM America? is that anywhere near Sturminster Newton? |
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Subject: RE: The Haggis season - when does it start? From: Big Mick Date: 03 Oct 99 - 07:22 PM You poor buggers don't seem to know that the name for Ireland in days gone by was Scotia, named after the mother of Amergin, the bard. She was a Chieftain and great warrior. She died in battle when this Milesian Royal family came and settled Ireland. They wrested the land from the Fir Bolg and established the Gaelic culture as the dominant culture in what became Scotia. Generations later a group of these Scotians were driven, or left the North of Ireland and settled in the highlands of what is now Scotland. They established, and after much influence from other groups, became what we now know as the Highland Scot. The languages were even the same until about the seventeenth century. Of course, our Scottish cousins developed a culture that is distinct and unique, and I am proud to claim a certain amount of Scot in my own background. What's the point, within the context of this thread. It is my humble opinion that Nova Scotia is New Ireland. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA.....LOL.............Are we going to have fun with this thread or what???????? I may never be safe in Nova Scotia again. All the best, Big Mick, the mischievious stirrer |
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Subject: RE: The Haggis season - when does it start? From: katlaughing Date: 03 Oct 99 - 07:52 PM To be perfectly correct, Mick, wouldn't that be Nova Erin or Eire?**BG** |
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Subject: RE: The Haggis season - when does it start? From: Big Mick Date: 03 Oct 99 - 08:28 PM Nope, kat, because Eire was known as Scotia long before it was known as Eire. And Scotland was known as Caledonia. After a time, Scotia became known as Eire, and Caledonia became known as Scotia. Eventually, in the English speaking world, Eire Land became Ireland, and Scotia Land became Scotland. I am sure the scholars out there will point out some corrections to my telling, but in the main, it is factual. And by the way, that is my people always say that we gave the Scots the bagpipes and never told them the joke...LOL...Double by the way, we also invented whiskey. The Scots have been making a fair version of it, but if ye want the stuff by the folks who invented it, you will have to drink Irish Whiskey. May I suggest Jamesons premium label? All the best, Big Mick whoisgoingtoreceivedeaththreatsforstartingthisbitofthreadcreepwhentheScotsgetupinafewhours. |
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Subject: RE: The Haggis season - when does it start? From: WyoWoman Date: 03 Oct 99 - 10:31 PM Sophocleese, this explains it then. I was just noting today as I drove through a couple of Wyoming towns that many of the local men were dressed in festive plaid, with contrasting festive plaid caps and camouflage pants. I didn't know what to make of it, but now it's completely clear to me: Haggis season has come to Wyoming. Does one have to field dress a haggis, or just schlepp 'em back to the butcher? And is it their coats that are used to make the festive plaid for the next season's hung? Er, hunt. Hunt. That damned Freud's been using my log-on again... ww |
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Subject: RE: The Haggis season - when does it start? From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 03 Oct 99 - 10:44 PM It is with regret that I must agree that the historical evidence suggests that whisk(e)y was being made in Ireland for quite some time before Scotland perfected that art, though of course distillation was developed by the Arabs, from whom we get the word "alcohol". Back on topic (nearly), however, it is well-attested that Scotland can with justification lay claim to the Haggis (Haggis Caledoniensis) where Ireland appears to possess no native species of that animal. Saint Patrick is sometimes credited -or blamed, depending on your point of view- for this. The Canadian variant referred to earlier is, strictly speaking, an example of the "mock" haggis (I forget the latin); although there are obvious superficial similarities, they are in fact quite separate species and cannot, so far as research has been able to determine, successfully interbreed. Malcolm |
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Subject: RE: The Haggis season - when does it start? From: DonMeixner Date: 03 Oct 99 - 10:57 PM Here in Central New York (State not City) we have a variety of the Haggis that while not generally thot to be a game animal usually not hunted till after the spawn in October. The Haggis run is usually triggered by some warm rains and two frosts in rapib succession. The Haggi , plural of Haggis, Haggis being the singular of Haggi , begin to change color on much the same manner and color of the Maple leaves. This makes the Haggis nearly invisible to the eye when not in motion. Great swarms of Haggi hang about under trees in Hustles. Hustles being the name of the plural swarm of Haggi. Like a herd of cattle. The trigger to make the Hustled Haggi hike hither is usually a wind. The entire Hustle may take off enmasse and by doing so be vertually indestinquishable from the Maple leaves. lately among the Haggis hunters here abouts there has been a Hue and cry about the planned requirement of the migratory Haggis stamp. Haggis Unlimited is planning a protest but the government willout I'm affraid. The stamp is planned to show a hearty Haggis standing on a mountain crag quarter on and viewedfrom below to give a majestic stature to this fine bit of wild game. Even now I can hear the faint sounds of a Hustle of Haggis as they prepare their trek north to the plains of Scarberia. It figures that the Haggis would go north in colder weather. Obviously a part of their Scottish heritage. Regards Don |
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Subject: RE: The Haggis season - when does it start? From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 03 Oct 99 - 11:22 PM While it is entirely possible that you have in New York State a "naturalised" (English spelling) community of Haggises ("Haggi" is false etymology) which may have at some point escaped from captivity and bred successfully, I am still firm in my belief that this is a species only recently introduced; your remarks about their migratory behaviour might tend to confirm that. On the other hand, the arboreal habits you describe (particularly with reference to the Maple) are more characteristic of the "mock" haggis I mentioned earlier; the true haggis (Gaelic,"Taigeis") is better adapted to a more-or-less treeless habitat. Malcolm |
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Subject: RE: The Haggis season - when does it start? From: katlaughing Date: 03 Oct 99 - 11:38 PM And, would that be the pseudo haggises, then, Malcolm? And, what with the mixing up o'the names an all, tis no wonder m' mither got called "black Irish" when her only known heritage was Scots and English! Ach, wot's a girl ta do, then? ConfuseddescendantoftheNovaScotianCrawfords&ScottishEwingsamangothers*BG* |
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Subject: RE: The Haggis season - when does it start? From: DonMeixner Date: 03 Oct 99 - 11:47 PM Malcolm, No doubt you are correct in much you state. Haggi is a local coloquielism and can't be considered the difinitve etymology. I would posit that there is an Arboreal variety just as there are desert shrews there are woodland shrews. The local wiley Haggis is the prefred meal of mainy the ridge runner who can't out gun the Possum or the Whistle pig. Cooked over a fire of hickory and served on a bed of steamed nettles and Wooley Dock. Chased with a glass of Old Stump Blower and nothing is the same ever again. Victuals at their finest. Don |
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Subject: RE: The Haggis season - when does it start? From: Jack Hickman - Kingston, ON Date: 04 Oct 99 - 12:05 AM Back several threads, someone referred to Scotland as Caledonia. About that period in pre-history, the Romans were referring to what we know as Ireland as Hibernia. Keep the Faith Jack Hickman |
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Subject: RE: The Haggis season - when does it start? From: Big Mick Date: 04 Oct 99 - 01:07 AM That is another of the names that Ireland was known by post Scotia. I did not mean to imply that these were at the same time. Mick |
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Subject: RE: The Haggis season - when does it start? From: MudGuard Date: 04 Oct 99 - 02:48 AM Bonzo, Click here to see that Amerika is south-east of Oldenburg in Niedersachsen (Lower Saxonia) in the North of Germany. So Amerika is not near Sturminster Newton. There is another Amerika in Sachsen (Saxonia) southeast of Zwickau, but that one is too small to get into the Online-Maps. I did not know that you have to hunt Haggis. I thought it was just sold by these Fast-Food vans all over Scotland. And I did not know there is hound in it. And that it is sold only during a season... |
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Subject: RE: The Haggis season - when does it start? From: Ewan McVicar Date: 04 Oct 99 - 11:45 AM No, wait a minute, I got it wrong. Some people say that Americans do have a sense of humour. Well, some of them. |
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Subject: RE: The Haggis season - when does it start? From: wildlone Date: 04 Oct 99 - 02:58 PM Thanks kat I am finding it hard to type using one hand but i try. yours wildlone nursing his broken arm and bruises IFOMC. |
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Subject: RE: The Haggis season - when does it start? From: Bonzo Date: 04 Oct 99 - 04:24 PM Does this mean i have to put up with his behaviour until after the new year? I don't think my sanity (or furniture!) will take much more of this. can anyone recommend any medication that may help? is there a Haggis substitute or do they need "the thrill of the hunt". I have also heard stories of left handed and right handed Haggis (depending on side of short legs) and the perils of cross breeding? is this true? and how would this effect my much tormented hound! Bonzo |
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Subject: RE: The Haggis season - when does it start? From: MMario Date: 04 Oct 99 - 04:27 PM there are fossil records of "fore-handed" and "back-handed" haggi as well, but both those sub-species died rapidly, as fore-handed haggi were only able to climb UP-hill and the back-handed haggis was only able to climb DOWN-hill. |
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Subject: RE: The Haggis season - when does it start? From: sophocleese Date: 04 Oct 99 - 04:31 PM You could use a bagpiper as a haggis substitute if you think he needs the thrill of the hunt. If he does manage to catch the bagpipes let him eat them and we'll all feel better. |
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Subject: RE: The Haggis season - when does it start? From: Bert Date: 04 Oct 99 - 04:49 PM Of course, once you've caught your haggis, you have the problem of dressing it. Seeing as they are made up of all guts in the first place, by the time you've cleaned him out, there's bugger all left. Hmmm, to us Sassenachs that may NOT BE a problem. |
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Subject: RE: The Haggis season - when does it start? From: lamarca Date: 04 Oct 99 - 06:22 PM As a researcher at the National Institutes of Health, I am please to report that actual medical research on the consumption of haggis has been published in the legitimate medical research. Check here for a Medline reference to this interesting study, which includes a histopathology of Haggis scotiensis tissues... |
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Subject: RE: The Haggis season - when does it start? From: lamarca Date: 04 Oct 99 - 06:22 PM As a researcher at the National Institutes of Health, I am please to report that actual medical research on the consumption of haggis has been published in the legitimate medical research. Check here for a Medline reference to this interesting study, which includes a histopathology of Haggis scotiensis tissues... |
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Subject: RE: The Haggis season - when does it start? From: lamarca Date: 04 Oct 99 - 06:26 PM Oops, you need to select the article by Fraser, et al, in The British Medical Journal, not he many published by Dr. Haggis himself... |
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Subject: RE: The Haggis season - when does it start? From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 04 Oct 99 - 08:47 PM Don What on earth is a "Whistle-Pig"? I like the sound of the recipe, by the way, but the Woolly Dock and Old Stump Blower might be a trifle hard to get in Yorkshire. Fortunately I do at least know a good haggis dealer, and we have plenty of nettles. Malcolm |
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Subject: RE: The Haggis season - when does it start? From: DonMeixner Date: 04 Oct 99 - 09:09 PM Malcolm, The wiley whistle pig is a local name for the Woodchuck. They are called whistle pigs because when frightened they whistle. A large rodent that resembles a cavy (Guinea Pig) only universally brown in color. They are harmless in the extreme and while slow of wit they make up for it by being very dumb. Some of the old timers in the area say they taste alot like goat. I've never eaten whistle pig my self so I can't say. Wooly Dock grows here in the states and a variety is found in your neck of the woods. Interestingly it can be a cure for stings from nettles. I've never eaten it either, it may well be very poisonous so don't try it with the nettles. Try BurrDock instead. Old Stumpblower can be a problem too, Try Kohler beer The pale dry stale ale with the head on the bottom. Failing that, Guinesses will have todo. Don
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Subject: RE: The Haggis season - when does it start? From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 04 Oct 99 - 10:08 PM Don Ah, I see, the Woodchuck. "How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?" I have occasionally wondered. We call Woolly Docks "Dock Leaves". I should think they're edible if steamed or boiled, but nettles (with plenty of butter, and picked young) would be a lot nicer. Like blackberries, they have to be picked before that time in the early autumn when the Devil goes round and pisses on them. Malcolm |
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Subject: RE: The Haggis season - when does it start? From: DonMeixner Date: 04 Oct 99 - 10:17 PM Malcolm A woodchuck would if a woodchuck could, chuck as much wood as a woodchuck could if a woodchuck would chuck wood. Pretty simple really. Don |
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Subject: RE: The Haggis season - when does it start? From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 04 Oct 99 - 10:41 PM Don Er...right. Malcolm |
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Subject: RE: The Haggis season - when does it start? From: Susan A-R Date: 04 Oct 99 - 10:44 PM i had always thought that Haggis mated with good whiskey, and suspected that the hunting season was at some point after this mating, but then I'm ont much in touch with my Scots heritage. Now mealy pudding is another matter. . . |
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Subject: RE: The Haggis season - when does it start? From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 04 Oct 99 - 11:01 PM I think that the role of whisky (no "e" in Haggis territory!) is more of a catalytic nature than anything else. Laphroaig for preference. Malolm, |
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Subject: RE: The Haggis season - when does it start? From: WyoWoman Date: 04 Oct 99 - 11:22 PM How would one pronounce Laphroaig, and what precisely is it? I see it being ordered over there at the tavern a good deal, but it alway sounds sort of froggy and unattractive to me. But then, as an accompaniment to haggis, that might actually recommend it... WW |
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Subject: RE: The Haggis season - when does it start? From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 05 Oct 99 - 03:42 PM "La-froyg", more or less. It's a very peaty Islay malt. Not in the least froggy, but you need to enjoy strong flavours. Yum! Malcolm |
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Subject: RE: The Haggis season - when does it start? From: Bonzo Date: 05 Oct 99 - 04:58 PM I don't know what my Haggis hound would do if he found a frog? come to think of it i don't know what he would do if he found a Haggis? Any ideas (or even just gut reactions!) Bonzo |
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Subject: RE: The Haggis season - when does it start? From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 05 Oct 99 - 08:14 PM A Haggis hound will ignore a frog if properly trained. Malcolm |
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Subject: RE: The Haggis season - when does it start? From: Graham Pirt Date: 06 Oct 99 - 07:49 AM What a fascinating thread. Here I was thinking that a haggis was something made out of bits of beast and oats and all the time you hunt them! What have I missed all these years. If I'd remembered clearly I would have known better because up in Irvine in Scotland there is a hotel that displays varieties of haggis that have been caught in the area! |
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Subject: RE: The Haggis season - when does it start? From: WyoWoman Date: 06 Oct 99 - 09:12 AM They have often been known to cavort with jackalope in these parts, but I understand from this thread that they couldn't possibly be native haggis. Yes, Malcolm, I do indeed love strong flavors. I wonder if Lafroig (sp?) is available here in the U.S. Anyone? Anyone? (Of course, here in Wyoming, Jameson's has been an exotic drink until just recently, so the odds may be against me....) WW |
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Subject: RE: The Haggis season - when does it start? From: bobby's girl Date: 06 Oct 99 - 01:44 PM Unfortunately Malcolm, I know from bitter experience that Bonzo's haggis hound is anything but well trained! The only way he could do any serious damage to a haggis is possibly drown it as he tries to lick it to death! |
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Subject: RE: The Haggis season - when does it start? From: MMario Date: 06 Oct 99 - 01:49 PM But weren't Haggis Hounds specifically bred to drool their prey to death? thus simulating the natural drowning of the Haggi as they tunble down the mountainsides into the streams below? |
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Subject: RE: The Haggis season - when does it start? From: Bonzo Date: 06 Oct 99 - 01:55 PM booby's girl, I dont know what you mean, he's only ever been pleased to see you! but if MMario is right i think watson may need some optical correction! Bonzo |
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Subject: RE: The Haggis season - when does it start? From: Bonzo Date: 06 Oct 99 - 02:01 PM Sorry bobby's girl - dyslexia lures ko! must try to improve my tryping kills Bonzo |
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Subject: RE: The Haggis season - when does it start? From: MMario Date: 06 Oct 99 - 02:19 PM I think Frued is in here posting under other names again. |
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Subject: RE: The Haggis season - when does it start? From: DonMeixner Date: 21 Dec 01 - 08:55 PM With the lateness of the first frosts and no warm rains this season the Haggis migration has been sporatic and largely undependable. There is great concern among the kilted few in the area of finding a suitable Haggis for the Robert Burns birthday dinner. The St. Andrews Society, at best a schizophrenic lot, is of two minds about it. Some say to get a locally raised freerange haggis while the other lot will have none of it. Mr. Campbell Mac Donald was heard to say, "If we ca' noo get a' wild one, Burn a ' Brattwurst, cover it w' Ketchup an' feed it tae the tooorists! They'll nae tell tha' difference and we can sssspend the savings on single malt!" When put to the vote it came up as tie with three obstaining while they wait word from Haggis Unlimited about some farm raised and released in the wild Haggi from a Haggis Forever program run by a local 4-H. Don |
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