BS: Jack the Ripper

Subject: RE: BS: Jack the Ripper
From: GUEST,josepp
Date: 05 Mar 12 - 12:12 PM

Alright, out with it, who was it? Royalty? Freemason? The Polish guy? The Colonel in the library with the candlestick? Why does Scotland Yard insist on keeping their files on the case secret?

Everyone has an opinion, what's yours?

Subject: RE: BS: Jack the Ripper
From: Rapparee
Date: 05 Mar 12 - 12:24 PM

I did it. I confess. I was down on whores, but now I take my meds and I'm okay.

Subject: RE: BS: Jack the Ripper
From: GUEST,Suibhne Astray
Date: 05 Mar 12 - 12:30 PM

Walter Sickert!

Subject: RE: BS: Jack the Ripper
From: gnu
Date: 05 Mar 12 - 02:01 PM

Rap at the range with a bayonet.

Subject: RE: BS: Jack the Ripper
From: Will Fly
Date: 05 Mar 12 - 02:37 PM

The story in question in this thread dates from May last year - the main files on the case are in the National Archives. The files which the police were arguing should be protected give the names of informants at the time - descendants of whom may well be alive today. The principle appears to be that, given the band of nutcases for whom the Ripper saga is an all-consuming passion, descendants of informants in this case - or any other case - should not be made available.

Metropolitan Police web page on the case

Subject: RE: BS: Jack the Ripper
From: Mrrzy
Date: 05 Mar 12 - 02:52 PM

I didn't like the "case closed" book I read that laid out all the evidence for I think it was Sickert but don't recall...

Subject: RE: BS: Jack the Ripper
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 05 Mar 12 - 03:17 PM

O remeber solving this case in back in 2006. I just looked up the thread:-

'They all did it. It was like Murder on the Orient Express. One night they all piled of the Dorchester pissed, and said, let's do someone in. They all had a stab.

A few weeks passed and it became a fashion......Celebrity Stab. they were all at it The Royal Family, Oscar Wilde, David and Victoria Beckham (they never miss out on anything!). You were a nobody if you weren't invited to a Celebrity Stab evening.

After a while, it failed to amuse, and they all went back to fox hunting and croquet.

Works for me..... .

Subject: RE: BS: Jack the Ripper
From: fat B****rd
Date: 05 Mar 12 - 03:27 PM

Off the top of my head (i.e. without Google)it was Patricia Cornwell who wrote the book naming Sickert.

Subject: RE: BS: Jack the Ripper
From: Mrrzy
Date: 05 Mar 12 - 09:16 PM

Yes, it was, and I still didn't like it. I did look up that it was Sickert she thought it was. I would have been a lot more convinced had the evidence to the contrary, or that which was not sickert-linked, been at least presented. Instead, she just went through and said See how much evidence there is that Sickert did it.

I prefer to see all 4 squares of my contingency.

99% of mad rapists probably smoked pot at some point... but so did 99% of people who aren't/weren't/won't be mad rapists, so that doesn't tell you anything without the other squares.

Subject: RE: BS: Jack the Ripper
From: gnu
Date: 05 Mar 12 - 09:27 PM

Brownie squares?

Subject: RE: BS: Jack the Ripper
From: Neil D
Date: 05 Mar 12 - 11:07 PM

I always leaned toward Druitt but I agree with Rumbelow that come the day of judgement when all are called to answer for their crimes and the Ripper is named, all the Ripperologists in attendance are just as likely to look at each other in bewilderment and ask "Who?!"

Subject: RE: BS: Jack the Ripper
From: frogprince
Date: 05 Mar 12 - 11:23 PM

Thirty years back I had a book for awhile, with original printing date back to the early 1900s. It had a least a couple of the crime scene photos. Whoever he was, he was from somewhere outside of normal humanity.

Subject: RE: BS: Jack the Ripper
From: Will Fly
Date: 06 Mar 12 - 04:17 AM

All the crime scene photos are available to see on the web, and there are innumerable specialist websites piled high with more data than you could imagine. The answer just isn't known.

Subject: RE: BS: Jack the Ripper
From: theleveller
Date: 06 Mar 12 - 05:01 AM

I reckon that it hasn't been solved because a of a basic mistake brought about by the fact that the bloke who wrote the note to the police telling them who he was had terrible handwriting. He was, in fact, a herring-gutter who worked at an East London smokehouse, called Jack the Kipper.

Case solved!

Subject: RE: BS: Jack the Ripper
From: theleveller
Date: 06 Mar 12 - 05:11 AM

On the other hand, that might just be a red herring!

Subject: RE: BS: Jack the Ripper
From: Will Fly
Date: 06 Mar 12 - 05:42 AM

Leveller - to your bed - bad boy! Dirty boy!

Subject: RE: BS: Jack the Ripper
From: theleveller
Date: 06 Mar 12 - 06:10 AM

Sorry!

Subject: RE: BS: Jack the Ripper
From: GUEST,Suibhne Astray
Date: 06 Mar 12 - 06:11 AM

I've never read the book, but I saw the TV documentary claiming Sickert was JTR the day before we were at Harewood House wherein hang some of Sickert's creepy Camdem Murder paintings. Left a bit of an odd taste...

JTR is integral to UK folklore in a similar way to Bonny & Clyde in America; he fulfills certain mythic criteria and yet his crimes are palpably real. As Will says, you can see the photographs of the women he murdered, just as you can see the autopsy photos of Bonnie & Clyde.

And talking of legends and autopsy photos, one of my favourite actresses (and yes, a boyhood crush that lingers wisfully into old age) is Thelma Todd (1906 - 1935), who appeared in classic films by The Marx Brothers and Laurel and Hardy; and more than mere window dressing too - she could hold her own with the best of them. Anyway, I did a search for images of dear Thelma one day - and guess what I got?

Personally, I think there ought to be tighter controls with respect of images that contravene human dignity - the pics of JTR victims included.

Subject: RE: BS: Jack the Ripper
From: Rapparee
Date: 06 Mar 12 - 11:01 AM

Well, yeah, sort of. We know who Bonny and Clyde were...a couple of punks with more bullets than brains and until the movie I'd never heard of them and I grew up in the Midwest.

There are other folks in US history who might be closer to JtR. John Wayne Gacy, the Zodiac Killer, Ted Bundy, Albert Fish, the Benders, Boone Helm, H. H. What's-his-name (the dude from Chicago during the Exposition), the Pig Woman of Laporte, IN -- to name but a few.

Subject: RE: BS: Jack the Ripper
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 06 Mar 12 - 02:15 PM

I like that poem Bonnie wrote.

Subject: RE: BS: Jack the Ripper
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 06 Mar 12 - 02:24 PM

I read once (sorry, but I don't remember the book's title) that it could just possibly be that not all the murders were by the same person, as the modus operandi were different. Also, I believe Prince Eddie (Edward VII's eldest son) although rather a decadent chap, was at Balmoral and various other well-documented places while many of the murders were committed.

Subject: RE: BS: Jack the Ripper
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Mar 12 - 04:57 PM

More importantly, Who put the bomp in the bomp-ba-bomp-ba-bomp?

Subject: RE: BS: Jack the Ripper
From: Rapparee
Date: 07 Mar 12 - 01:11 AM

It was that new singer, Jack the Rapper.

Subject: RE: BS: Jack the Ripper
From: Rapparee
Date: 07 Mar 12 - 01:13 AM

Crippen, or maybe Charlie Peace.

Subject: RE: BS: Jack the Ripper
From: Stu
Date: 07 Mar 12 - 04:04 AM

It was Tumblety.

Subject: RE: BS: Jack the Ripper
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 07 Mar 12 - 06:17 AM

Personally I think it was the Scotsman Jock McRipper.

Subject: RE: BS: Jack the Ripper
From: Rapparee
Date: 07 Mar 12 - 10:02 AM

Jack the Zipper, you say?