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BS: George Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'

Bobert 26 Aug 13 - 04:24 PM
Greg F. 26 Aug 13 - 05:17 PM
Bobert 26 Aug 13 - 05:19 PM
Don Firth 26 Aug 13 - 05:20 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 26 Aug 13 - 05:40 PM
Don Firth 26 Aug 13 - 06:13 PM
Greg F. 26 Aug 13 - 06:48 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 26 Aug 13 - 06:51 PM
Don Firth 26 Aug 13 - 07:05 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 26 Aug 13 - 07:35 PM
Bobert 26 Aug 13 - 07:47 PM
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GUEST,Guest from Sanity 27 Aug 13 - 12:31 AM
Don Firth 27 Aug 13 - 12:57 AM
Don Firth 27 Aug 13 - 01:23 AM
Suzy Sock Puppet 27 Aug 13 - 02:36 AM
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Bobert 27 Aug 13 - 09:13 AM
Don Firth 27 Aug 13 - 03:06 PM
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Don Firth 27 Aug 13 - 04:47 PM
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Bobert 27 Aug 13 - 09:42 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 27 Aug 13 - 11:14 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Aug 13 - 04:24 PM

How many racists does it take to have a Klan rally here in the Catbox???

Looks like just the two usual suspects...

Wonder if the dynamic duo are trying out how to burn a cross here to defend their hero, George "The Teen Murderer" Zimmerman???

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 26 Aug 13 - 05:17 PM

Welcome Back BlogoshitBruce. I see you're still vomiting the same gargage, though.


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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Aug 13 - 05:19 PM

Some things never change, Greg...

That's why I ignore him...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don Firth
Date: 26 Aug 13 - 05:20 PM

"Scumbag?" Really, beardedbruce? You do have a way with words (you silver-tongued devil, you!). Feeling backed into a wall?

Seattle is a quite civilized city. Too bad Florida seems to still be in the antebellum South.

What Zimmerman said to the police dispatcher is not all that relevant. What Zimmerman saw (a black teenager in a hoodie) IS relevant.

Spin it the way you want, BB, but it doesn't alter the fact that Zimmerman had gone hunting that night.

=======

And Goofball, what do they all have in common? Aggression of one sort or another. A couple of black kids rob an 88 year-old white man. Robbery was the motive.

A couple more black kids shoot a white jogger "for the fun of it." Simple wanton murder was the motive.

And a white vigilante goes hunting, comes upon his quarry (a black teenager) and kills him. Wanting to shoot someone was the motive.

All three were wanton murder.

What the last two had in common was simple racism and a wanton disregard for human life.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 26 Aug 13 - 05:40 PM

Sorry guys, but the account BeardedBruce gave to you was indeed correct, court record, from the actual police report, and recorded phone messages. I know that some of you would LOVE to make it solely about race, because that's consistent with your political dispositions, even if the actual chain of events DON'T support your political predispositions....and I KNOW Don has problems with re-writing history to suit his fancy...but as I've told you Don before...'Go with the facts, and let the chips fall where they may'..if it supports your politics, fine, if not, take another look at your political stance..but don't go trying to re-write history to fit your politics....THERE IS a medical/psychological condition that develops from doing that habitually, and actually believing it as reality, you know.....

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don Firth
Date: 26 Aug 13 - 06:13 PM

Your major flaw (one of your major flaws) Goofball, is that you assume that others think the way you do.

But not that many people are that badly confused.

And as far as the "Court Record" from the Zimmerman trial reflecting the facts is concerned, from that court, the record isn't worth the toilet paper it's written on. The whole trial was a put-up job. A White-wash!

That was the day Justice died in the State of Florida.

(Strange. That sort of thing seems to happen a lot down thataway.)

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 26 Aug 13 - 06:48 PM

That was the day Justice died in the State of Florida.

Its been mortally ill for a long time in Florida (& other parts of the deep south)- I would bet it died a while back, and the Zimmerman affair was more the official certificate of death.


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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 26 Aug 13 - 06:51 PM

Firth: "Your major flaw (one of your major flaws) Goofball, is that you assume that others think the way you do."

Your humongous flaw is that you assume people don't think at all, and you try to ram your illnesses down their throats!

Look let's try to see if this sinks in through that brick lined ball on your shoulders...Bobert's too....the Martin family publicly stated that THEY didn't think it was about race. ..The Martin's personal attorney said THEY didn't think it was about race...the defense attorneys (separately from the personal family attorney) publicly stated that THEY didn't think it was about race...the prosecution publicly stated that THEY didn't think it was about race, the police publicly stated that THEY didn't think it was about race, the court's testimony showed that THEY didn't think it was a race issue, the jury members who gave interviews, publicly stated that THEY didn't think it was about race...the FBI investigated Zimmerman AND 36 of his known acquaintances and they publicly stated that THEY didn't think it was about race, nor did any evidence come up to indicate that Zimmerman had racial bigotry, in fact, they found he worked with 'minority' kids, prior to this.....

Now with ALL that...just tell us why should we believe your uninformed, stupid rants about race????
Who the fuck do you think you are?????

Now, what did all the people have in common....hint, it's not anything racial....hope that doesn't leave you completely lost!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don Firth
Date: 26 Aug 13 - 07:05 PM

Goofball, I have ample evidence (right here in this thread, as a matter of fact) that SOME people DON'T think at all.

And you can run around in circles, wiggling you fingers, and screaming all you want, but the fact remains that if the entire population of the world voted that the Earth is flat, it would STILL be a globe.

And it appears that you can't even remember your own question.

Have you ever considered psychotherapy?

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 26 Aug 13 - 07:35 PM

THIS is how you answered my last post????????

Why Should ANYONE in their right mind believe YOU????

Tell us just WHY, when every one involved with the case..INCLUDING THE FAMILY says it was NOT racially motivated, should we believe YOUR take on it?????

Tell us....Give us YOUR supreme evidence!!!...other than you WANT it to be a racial issue...something more..what is it???

The ONLY racial remarks AT ALL, were given by Trayvon, when he was talking to his girlfriend, and said that a 'cracker' was following him..to which Rachel, his girlfriend said she thought 'it must be a homosexual rapist'.

But I don't want to astray too far, because you'll go on one of your 'spin drifts' again...so here it is, (Focus now..try real hard):
Why Should ANYONE in their right mind believe YOU????

Tell us just WHY, when every one involved with the case..INCLUDING THE FAMILY says it was NOT racially motivated, should we believe YOUR take on it?????

Tell us....Give us YOUR supreme evidence!!!...other than you WANT it to be a racial issue...something more..what is it???

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Aug 13 - 07:47 PM

Lotta SCREAMING, GfinS...

Think you need some Zoloft or a joint... You are suffering from BBS: BeardedBruce Syndome where SCREAMING somehow makes your point right???

Works the other way in the real world... People don't read SCREAMERS posts...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don Firth
Date: 26 Aug 13 - 09:04 PM

The clear and concise logic of what I have already posted on this subject as right there for any and all to see and judge. Goofball, all your hysterical screaming is not going to change the FACTS.

Have you ever thought of having a brain transplant? You ought to get a good price for trading in your brain, since it's never been used.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Aug 13 - 12:31 AM

I'm not, nor was I screaming...I thought that by your responses, you were having a hard time READING...(see, I wasn't telling...or screaming)..Now, let us in on your supreme 'logic' and why you think this 'just has to be racial'...when EVERYONE, involved with the case..FAMILY TOO...says it was NOT racially motivated...What do you know, that the family, FBI, police, courts etc etc, don't know..or somehow overlooked. Being as you talked to everyone involved, maybe they told you some special little secret....Be a Snowden...tell us all!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don Firth
Date: 27 Aug 13 - 12:57 AM

Read my previous posts.

The murder of the 88 year-old man was motivated by robbery. Racism was present, but probably secondary.

The murder of the Australian jogger was motivated by racism.

The murder of Trayvon Martin was motivated by Zimmerman's desire to use his gun, and by Zimmerman's racism.

That's crystal clear to anyone who possesses the power of thought.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don Firth
Date: 27 Aug 13 - 01:23 AM

I know for a fact that Trayvon Martin's mother maintains that the murder of her son was motivated by racism. And there may very well be civil suits in the offing.

So, Goofup, your claim that the family said that it was not racism is false.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Suzy Sock Puppet
Date: 27 Aug 13 - 02:36 AM

Bearded Bruce, your comment suggests that I should assume that George Zimmerman told the truth about the incident. I do not. In fact, I believe that Zimmerman is in the habit of lying to cover up his misdeeds. The evidence does not say that his head was being pounded on the sidewalk. If that were true, he'd need more than a little band-aid. If you listen carefully to the first 911 call, you can hear him crafting his story his story in advance.

The truth in this case is obvious. Takes a real genius to complicate it. Anyone who believes George Zimmerman told the truth is either weak minded or cut from the same cloth. The first juror who came forward fits into the latter category, the second juror falls into the former. She feels like she let Trayvon Martin's parents down? Well she should because she sure did. She let a lot of people down.


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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 27 Aug 13 - 08:27 AM

SSP,

I respectfully disagree with your analysis. I saw the pictures, and the injuries to Zimmerman were consistent with his story.

Had he intended to shoot Martin, would he have had his gun anywhere other than in his hand, and would he have had ANY injuries? Yet all the physical evidence indicates he shot him AFTER he (Zimmerman) was knocked down.

Both of them made mistakes, and neither is faultless, but it has been determined that Zimmerman acted in self defense. To insist otherwise, and demand punishment for a crime that he has been determined by the courts to be not guilty of is EXACTLY what the Klan ( Bobert's favorite, it seems) would do- LYNCH someone based on the FEELING that they were guilty. After all, EVERYONE knows those that were hung did whatever they were accused of, right?
Bobert was happy to deny Zimmerman of a fair trial, by allowing the prosecution to determine what evidence was available in discovery- THAT was brought up in the other thread ( was the PURPOSE of the thread, before it was hijacked by Bobert "Everyone who disagrees with me is a Klansman" ).

I do agree the prosecution made a lousy case- but to say that means Zimmerman is guilty rather than that the prosecution made a lousy case is just plain WRONG.


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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Aug 13 - 09:13 AM

Suze has it 100% correct...

Anyone with an IQ greater than that of a box of creek rocks, unless they are just flat out right winged racists, gets it... It ain't quantum physics...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don Firth
Date: 27 Aug 13 - 03:06 PM

I agree. Suzy is absolutely right.

Bulletin! This just in:

George Zimmerman is asking the State of Florida (read "taxpayers!") to pay up to $300,000 to cover his court costs and legal expenses.

This, after soliciting (and receiving!) large amounts of money in contributions from people who regard him as some kind of "hero!"


It seems that in some areas of the country, there is profit to be made by murdering young black men.

What's next? Bounties?

As I heard a minister once say, "Believe me, there is ample reason for the weeping of Jesus!"

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: number 6
Date: 27 Aug 13 - 03:46 PM

In response to Don Firth's statement .. "I know for a fact that Trayvon Martin's mother maintains that the murder of her son was motivated by racism.

below is a quote (08/25/2013) from Tracy Martin ... the mother of Trayvon


Tracy Martin said the family did not make it a race issue. "Had George Zimmerman been an African-American man, we still would be seeking the same justice as we would in this case. Race did play an issue. But we didn't make it a race issue. Never once."

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don Firth
Date: 27 Aug 13 - 04:47 PM

Yes, Bill, she said that.

"Race did play an issue. But we didn't make it a race issue." [Emphasis mine--DF]

The family didn't want to make a race issue of it, probably knowing that, in that locality, it would be fruitless. In fact, it could have easily stirred up more racial troubles--in a community with a long history of racial troubles (See baseball player Jackie Robinson in relation to Sanford, Florida).

Would Zimmerman have acted the way he did if he had seen a white kid walking down the street with a bag of candy and a cup of iced tea? I doubt it very seriously.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don Firth
Date: 27 Aug 13 - 04:59 PM

That, incidentally, was from a considerably longer interview with Trayvon Martin's mother.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Aug 13 - 05:18 PM

If Firth and Bobert WANT to believe that, just let them. It has NO bearing on the reality of the situation..it's just a trip they're on. It's 'fashionable' to their ideology!...which never seems to make sens, anyway.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don Firth
Date: 27 Aug 13 - 09:14 PM

It IS the reality of the situation, whether your prejudice allows you to see it or not.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don Firth
Date: 27 Aug 13 - 09:41 PM

Racial prejudice, Jackie Robinson, Trayvon Martin and Sanford, Florida.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Aug 13 - 09:42 PM

Back in the 70s when it seemed I went weeks living in the black community I learned a book's full of knowledge about the black culture... One thing I learned is that there was city black folks and then there was rural black folks...

Trayvon's parents represent rural black folks...

Now lotta white folk going, "Well, is that so bad? I mean, these people seem very reasonable"...

(And they are)

What white folk don't get is that Trayvon's parents were playing the game they know... The rural black folk composure... Ya' see, it wasn't always like that... There were times when Trayvon would have been lynched... That's reality...

Some things need to be kept in perspective...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Aug 13 - 11:14 PM

That's right...Firth posts his reference source from another blog for wannabe 'so-called' liberals'..Give me a break!..No wonder your 'logic' is ridiculous!...Let's try this again:
"It has NO bearing on the reality of the situation..it's just a trip they're on. It's 'fashionable' to their ideology!...which never seems to make sense, anyway."

..and if anyone else is taking them seriously, in regards to this matter, you might double check your skulls to see if it's leaking.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don Firth
Date: 28 Aug 13 - 01:59 AM

Saying it 10,000 times doesn't make what you're saying any truer, Goofball.

Get real.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 28 Aug 13 - 07:17 AM

""And Zimmerman stated that he saw "someone acting suspicious, WHEN HE CALLED IN ON HIS CELL PHONE. The OPERATOR asked whether the person was white or black, and Zimmerman hesitated, and then said he thought he was black. NOT the reason he was watching him. NOT the reason he stopped him and asked what he was doing there. YOU are making it about him being black- that makes YOU the racist.""

He thought he was black, and that is why he followed him and confronted him, because "everybody knows" all blacks on the street at night are muggers, burglars or drug dealers, RIGHT BB?.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 28 Aug 13 - 08:26 AM

No, Don T.

Zimmerman THOUGHT that he was acting suspiciously ( as he stated on the 911 call, a FACT you ignore) and wanted to see what he was up to, like a NEIGHBORHOOD WATVH person should do WHEN THEY SEE SOMEONE ACTING SUSPICIOUSLY.

Zimmerman's choice to follow on foot was a poor decision- but not as poor as Martin's choice to physically attack someone for inquiring as to what he was doing there.


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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 28 Aug 13 - 08:40 AM

Vass you dere, BullshitBruce?


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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 28 Aug 13 - 09:03 AM

Were YOU, Greggie boy?

I am using the EVIDENCE that the prosecution presented as a basis -WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU using to determine what happened?

After all, since Martin was "Black, and (probably) a Democrat", YOU would have called him a "Dumb Ni**er" from the evidence of your previous posts.


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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Bobert
Date: 28 Aug 13 - 09:53 AM

Armed white man stalks and then murders unarmed black teenager...

That's the meat 'n taters here... Not all the twisted il-logic by the racists here and elsewhere or the right wing blog-o-poo'ers...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 28 Aug 13 - 10:00 AM

And Bobert states that the court is wrong- JUST LIKE THE KKK.

Hail Bobert, the Ubermensch!


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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 28 Aug 13 - 10:14 AM

Really, BullshitBruce ?

to physically attack someone for inquiring as to what he was doing there.

And your proof of this is where in the evidence presented?


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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 28 Aug 13 - 10:19 AM

Just listen to the PROSECUTION witnesses.


Oh, I forget- you "Liberals " can't be bothered listening to anyone who says something you might not agree with.

What a shit-for-brain!


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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 28 Aug 13 - 10:26 AM

That's a smokescreen, not an answer, BullshitBruce. Where EXACTLY in the "evidence"[sic] is the confirmation of your statement?


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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 28 Aug 13 - 11:37 AM

Where the prosecution witnesses say that Zimmerman was on the bottom screaming, with Martin on top beating him.






Now, please tell me what evidence there is that Zimmerman "Stalked" anyone?

EVIDENCE, not Bobert's idea of what HE would have done.


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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 28 Aug 13 - 01:03 PM

No, BullshitBruce, learn to read. You apparently don't even understand what you write yourself.

Let's try again. You wrote:

"to physically attack someone for inquiring as to what he was doing there." [emphasis mine]

You can't provide proof for this because there is none.

As usual.

Just the same old horseshit.


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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Bobert
Date: 28 Aug 13 - 01:24 PM

Bottom line...

Zimmerman is a liar... He lied about the money ha received from Gun-Wacko-Nation... He lied about not knowing about stand-your-ground laws in Florida after taking a class on it...

Liars lie...

Look at the cuts on his head...

Anyone who has ever been in a real fight knows that if Martin was on top and was banging his head into the concrete that those tint little cuts would real cuts that would require stitches...

Zimmerman lied about them... I'd bet that in order to make his story more believable that he banged his own head...

Zimmerman say that he was the one screaming yet the screaming stopped right after the gunshot...

Zimmerman lied about that, too...

Zimmerman is a lying ass creepy racist ass hole and anyone defending him is, as well...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 28 Aug 13 - 01:25 PM

And how do YOU explain an armed Neighborhood Watch man being on the ground, gun NOT in his hand, being beaten?


I assume that YOU and Bobert lie, from past experience, but give others the benefit of the doubt and presume they are telling the truth unless I have reason BASED ON FACT to think otherwise.






Now, please tell me what evidence there is that Zimmerman "Stalked" anyone?

EVIDENCE, not Bobert's idea of what HE would have done.


Your claim that ANYTHING is shit has yet to be suported by any factual basis. But it IS what I expect from the "Liberal" voice, uncontested, and accepted by the failure of other Liberals to indicate any disagreement.


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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 28 Aug 13 - 01:31 PM

And ANYONE, regardless of their "Street Cred", who advocates allowing the prosecution to withhold evidence from disclosure in order to get the verdict that they think should be made is just as bad as the KKK, in ignoring the law.


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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 28 Aug 13 - 02:12 PM

You still haven't provided any evidence whatsoeveer foryour horseshit, BullshitBruce.

There's only two people that know what actually happened; one is conveniently dead, and the other has been proven a liar over and over again.

So now, about that evidence, BullshitBruce........


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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 28 Aug 13 - 02:16 PM

So everything YOU AND BOBERT claim is also bullshit, since YOU have no evidence.


You have denied the evidence, so you are just a racist liar. Bobert deserves you, asshole.


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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 28 Aug 13 - 02:22 PM

Excuse me, BullshitBobert deserves you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Suzy Sock Puppet
Date: 28 Aug 13 - 03:27 PM

I'm going to say one more thing here and then stop conversing with BB and GfS on this topic.

It's ultra-clear to me that GZ attempted to detain TM until the police got there. There is evidence to support that. GZ's lies and inconsistencies back that up as well. GZ felt confident doing what he did because he had a gun to "protect" himself should TM resist. TM did resist (which he had every right to do). I will tell you folks that if some strange man without a badge stalked and then attempted to detain me, I would not submit, I would physically struggle- partly out of fear, partly out anger. GZ was looking for that physical struggle so he could justify shooting TM.

One last note, GfS I'm beginning to see why Bobert and Don Firth think ill of you. You take them to task on issues, when quite frankly, you ought to know better. Other times you say good things but when you go on like this, it gets lost. This IS about race. I am a middle aged white woman. GZ would not have stalked and accosted me like he did TM. Because young black males had reportedly broken into homes in that neighborhood, GZ felt he had a right to play cop and treat any young black male as a suspect. He did not have that right except by Florida law- a very fucked up law that makes it possible to shoot someone in cold blood and get away with it.

B & DF, ignore these guys. They just enjoy upsetting us on a topic which really does upset us- and rightly so...


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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 28 Aug 13 - 03:33 PM

So, SSP, YOU were there with BullshitBobert and Greggie boy the racist, and saw everything? The trial evidence from OTHER people , presented by the PROSECUTION, indicates Zimmerman did NOT have his gun out when he was knocked down. So, how did he "detain" anyone/ He COULD have asked what Martin was doing, which some here consider an assault, but he WAS knocked down and beaten, which some here consider to be a normal "Black" greeting- THAT is racist.


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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Bobert
Date: 28 Aug 13 - 04:28 PM

I already ignore bb, Suze... He does no have any capacity for rational thought...

GfinS slips in rational thought just enough to remain on my "don't ignore" list but has been on it a time or two...

We differ on one part of this... There were no apparent evidence on Trayvon's body to indicate a fight... I don't think there was a fight but agree, that if there was, Trayvon had every right to defend himself...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don Firth
Date: 28 Aug 13 - 04:42 PM

Beardedbruce, when the self-appointed vigilante phoned the police and reported seeing what he thought was a person acting suspiciously (after all, he was a black teenager wearing a hooded sweatshirt, carrying a package of candy and cup of iced tea he had just purchased at a nearby convenience store, and was walking back home--therefore. ipso facto, acting "suspiciously").

The police dispatcher told him to stay in his car until the police got there and NOT to get out and approach the "suspect."   [This is not someone's supposition, it is a matter of record.]   Zimmerman disobeyed, got out of his car, approached Trayvon Martin, and demanded to know what he was doing there.

For all Trayvon Martin knew, this man who had confronted him in an aggressive manner was a mugger. Martin had every right to be there, and confronted in such a manner, obviously felt threatened. So he attempted to defend himself.

Does the "stand your ground" law apply to everyone? Or is it for whites only?

Why is this so difficult for you to understand?

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Suzy Sock Puppet
Date: 28 Aug 13 - 05:17 PM

Okay Bruce, I'll let you bait me this once more. Gz didn't have to have his gun out when he attempted to detain TM. He knew he had it and it gave him the confidence to attempt to detain him. He knew if TM resisted his wannabe cop take down, he could then "protect" himself. Stand Your Ground allows a person to everything they can to provoke a physical confrontation with an unarmed person, and then pull out your gun and shoot that person if it doesn't go your way. That's just what happened. It's wrong to defend that GZ's actions.

And now he wants to sue? Who told him to go out and hire a $400 an hour hotshot lawyer! People are not entitled to be reimbursed for legal fees when acquitted. He lied to the court about his finances which doesn't merit much sympathy for his current financial dilemma. Now that he has been found "not guilty," see how bold he's gotten? He likes being in the spotlight. Doesn't want to give it up. He's such a disgusting creature. With those beady little eyes and fat face, he reminds me of a pig.


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