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BS: Cultural genocide

Teribus 03 Jun 15 - 12:05 PM
Keith A of Hertford 03 Jun 15 - 12:15 PM
Ed T 03 Jun 15 - 12:43 PM
Dave the Gnome 03 Jun 15 - 01:38 PM
Greg F. 03 Jun 15 - 02:12 PM
GUEST,R Sole 03 Jun 15 - 02:20 PM
Keith A of Hertford 03 Jun 15 - 03:01 PM
Teribus 03 Jun 15 - 06:29 PM
Greg F. 03 Jun 15 - 07:01 PM
GUEST 03 Jun 15 - 07:39 PM
Dave the Gnome 04 Jun 15 - 02:54 AM
Teribus 04 Jun 15 - 03:09 AM
Dave the Gnome 04 Jun 15 - 03:20 AM
Musket 04 Jun 15 - 04:05 AM
akenaton 04 Jun 15 - 04:05 AM
Keith A of Hertford 04 Jun 15 - 04:56 AM
Keith A of Hertford 04 Jun 15 - 05:13 AM
GUEST,dáithí 04 Jun 15 - 05:46 AM
Dave the Gnome 04 Jun 15 - 05:49 AM
Teribus 04 Jun 15 - 06:28 AM
GUEST 04 Jun 15 - 06:36 AM
Dave the Gnome 04 Jun 15 - 06:45 AM
GUEST,R Sole 04 Jun 15 - 06:54 AM
Teribus 04 Jun 15 - 07:11 AM
Keith A of Hertford 04 Jun 15 - 07:15 AM
Dave the Gnome 04 Jun 15 - 08:04 AM
Dave the Gnome 04 Jun 15 - 08:17 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Teribus
Date: 03 Jun 15 - 12:05 PM

GUEST - 03 Jun 15 - 08:59 AM

"Indeed, most Western newspapers are embracing the "Palestinian narrative," whereby Jews are seen as colonists of a Palestinian nation which was stolen off the "Palestinian people" by the British in 1917."


Well one shouldn't give too much credence on what you hear and see reported by "western MSM" - they have the same disregard for historical fact as the Musktwats, Steve Shaw, Jim Carroll, DtG, Raggytash, etc, etc.

As for yourself GUEST - ever heard of any of the following:

The League of Nations
Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations and the San Remo Resolution - 25th April 1920
The League of Nations Mandate for Palestine - 24th July 1922
The Transjordan Memorandum - 29th September 1923
The Treaty of Lausanne

League of Nations Mandate For Palestine

Apart from collectively describing various districts, each with their own names as a geographical area there has never been anywhere called Palestine until the League of Nations decided to describe it such formally when it created the Mandate - NOTE that GUEST - The League of nations created the Mandated Territory of Palestine - the "Big, Bad, British" STOLE IT from nobody they were dumped with the problem for a finite period by the League of Nations and relinquished responsibility for it exactly to the date originally given.

The mandate originally included what is now known as Jordan (77% of the entire mandated territory) but that was broken away and handed over as a semi-autonomous state reserved solely for use and settlement by the Arabs of Palestine in 1923. The reason for doing this was because of anti-Jewish riots deliberately engineered and fomented by Yasser Arafat's Uncle based on blatant lies in 1920 and 1921 made it obvious to the British that Jew and Arab were not going to peacefully coexist in the mandated territory as originally envisaged. The 23% "Rump" of what was left could be settled by anyone who could afford the price of the land and who was willing to work to make it productive.

The term "Palestinians", the notion that there ever was such a country or nation as "Palestine", were latter-day inventions of Yasser Arafat - there is no such race as "Palestinian", if there were based on historical fact it would include the Jews - IIRC when the Arabs drove the Jews out of Hebron during the 1929 anti-Jewish riots the Jewish population of that town had been living there continuously for over 800 years.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Jun 15 - 12:15 PM

Musket,
You find opinions whilst some of us find hard facts.

You have not posted a single fact.
Prove me wrong and quote one.

You have posted some assertions, that I showed to be wrong.
By posting hard facts.

I have shown that EU, Canada and Australia all support Israel which they would not do if it really was a "rogue" or "terrorist" state, or if it was guilty of war crimes, massacres or human rights abuses.

That is all just propaganda made up by Israel's enemies and all you gullible dupes lap it up.

Greg,
Your posts are long on balderdash but short on factual information.
You have not posted a single fact.
Prove me wrong and quote one.

I have posted a lot of factual information.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Ed T
Date: 03 Jun 15 - 12:43 PM

""The (RC);Archbishop of Ottawa Terrence Prendergast says the Truth and Reconciliation Commission (TRC) is "asking for too much" by demanding the Pope apologize to residential school survivors in Canada.-The TRC on Tuesday called for the Pope to apologize within one year.""




Ottawa RC Archbishops response to report recommendations 


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Jun 15 - 01:38 PM

they have the same disregard for historical fact as the Musktwats, Steve Shaw, Jim Carroll, DtG, Raggytash, etc, etc.

Show me anywhere I have disregarded historical facts and I will accept the criticism. Otherwise I suggest you get your facts straight. Or just fuck off. Either will do.

Thank you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Jun 15 - 02:12 PM

I have posted a lot of factual information.

Where, Keith?


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: GUEST,R Sole
Date: 03 Jun 15 - 02:20 PM

I wonder if Keith A of Hertford and Teribus are aliases for pro Israeli activists? They both spout off views that cannot be collaborated and when other members question them, they decide the whole Western media and United Nations are biased.

I think Mudcat deserves better than to be infiltrated by such rubbish.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Jun 15 - 03:01 PM

You people could challenge things that we actually say, as DtG just did.
Instead you just attack us for things we have not said.
Or just personal attack.
I expect the thread will now close, letting you all off the hook.

If it is still here in the morning I will repeat some of the facts I have posted as requested by Greg.

Will Greg or Musket produce any facts of theirs as requested by me?
No.
There are none.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Teribus
Date: 03 Jun 15 - 06:29 PM

"They both spout off views that cannot be collaborated ....???

Shouldn't that be "corroborated" R Sole? No idea how ones personal views could be collaborated - wouldn't be personal then would it?

But please challenge anything I have stated in this thread and it most certainly can be corroborated - most of the detail is simple recorded fact.

Anything on the First World War Gnome.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Jun 15 - 07:01 PM

Anything on the First World War Gnome.

Naah, ya wants to ask Keith - he's the expert with every living, eminent, tabloid-writing historian to back him up.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Jun 15 - 07:39 PM

I wonder if Keith A of Hertford and Teribus are aliases for pro Israeli activists?

I think Mudcat deserves better than to be infiltrated by such rubbish.


They come crawling out from beneath their rocks when the topic of Israel is discussed.....Pavlovian response in action.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Jun 15 - 02:54 AM

Anything on the First World War Gnome.

So, no examples then Teribus? As I said before, show me where I have disregarded any facts. I have gone to great lengths to state that I do not know enough of that history to argue for or against any of the statements in question. Your accusation is a lie for all to see and what it has to do with this thread I have no idea.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Teribus
Date: 04 Jun 15 - 03:09 AM

"I have gone to great lengths to state that I do not know enough of that history to argue for or against any of the statements in question."

Yet for some reason little Gnome on those WWI threads you still persisted in arguing instead of educating yourself on the subject being discussed, after having been given the information and numerous sources where that information could be verified - mysteriously your views and opinions based on the complete absence of knowledge were to be viewed as unassailable and correct and every one else's including people who had studied and researched the period for years were all mistaken - or put another way you completely ignored historical fact, logic and reasoning.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Jun 15 - 03:20 AM

Yet for some reason little Gnome on those WWI threads you still persisted in arguing instead of educating yourself on the subject being discussed, after having been given the information and numerous sources where that information could be verified - mysteriously your views and opinions based on the complete absence of knowledge were to be viewed as unassailable and correct and every one else's including people who had studied and researched the period for years were all mistaken - or put another way you completely ignored historical fact, logic and reasoning.

I did no such thing. For the third time of asking, examples please. Put up or shut up. Remember, when this thread is closed, it was you who brought me into this discussion on a subject that has nothing to do with the topic in question.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Musket
Date: 04 Jun 15 - 04:05 AM

Cultural genocide?

If the culture in question is the sort that grows behind the oven, then Keith &Terribulus are centre stage. But to see their unsubstantiated waffle in a thread referring to culture and further, the obliteration of culture....

Well it sort of fits in a weird way.

The Negroponte principle only applies to US politicians funded by pro Israeli lobbies, not insignificant fools on Mudcat.

Let's all count the UN resolutions condemning Israel. Having just checked, even the less than sound Wikipedia knows about them! Mind you, it only knows up to 2013, not any since the Israeli army aggression more recently. Keith can tell you all about that, even the "legitimate" bombing of schools and hospitals.

Makes your skin crawl at times.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: akenaton
Date: 04 Jun 15 - 04:05 AM

"or put another way you completely ignored historical fact, logic and reasoning."
Exactly so Teribus, that is how they approach every issue under discussion.

That is what comes of being a slave to a political ideology.....they cannot afford to reason.....or educate themselves, one brick out of the wall and the whole tottering edifice collapses in a cloud of dust, so they are forced into a siege mentality of denial, or vicious abuse.

Their whole lives are centred around a pseudo left wing stance based on myth and how they would like the world to be.........how do they manage that trick, given the mass of information which is now available?


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Jun 15 - 04:56 AM

Let's all count the UN resolutions condemning Israel.

You mean UNHRC reolutions. There are hundreds of such resolutions.
None about North Korea or Syria or any real rogue, terrorist state.
Decent, proper democracies do not vote for them.
Just human rights champions like Iran, Saudi, Pakistan,.....


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Jun 15 - 05:13 AM

Greg,
I have posted a lot of factual information.
Where, Keith?


I posted this extract from an amnesty report,
"As well as the unlawful killings, others abducted by Hamas were subjected to torture, including severe beatings with truncheons, gun butts, hoses and wire, or held in stress positions. Some were interrogated and tortured or otherwise ill-treated in a disused outpatients' clinic within the grounds of Gaza City's main al-Shifa hospital. At least three people arrested during the conflict and accused of collaboration died in custody."

When Musket posted,
Err. Keith.. The UK is one of many EU countries supporting UN censure of Israel. The votes are usually vetoed by The USA.

I provided hard factual evidence that it was not true, in the form of a list of the resolutions with national voting details.

I referred to the Gen. Assembly UN debate on September 23, 2014, under Agenda Item 7 which all the EU states walked out on with Israel.
Musket said that fact was a "fantasy"!

To show how EU supports Israel I linked to EU documents,
" Both (EU and Israel)share the same values of democracy, a respect for freedom and rule of law and are committed to an open international economic system based on market principles. Israeli political, industrial, commercial and scientific leaders maintain close links to Europe. Over five decades of trade, cultural exchanges, political cooperation and a developed system of agreements have cemented these relations."

I provided quotes of Canada's Foreign Minister who yesterday spoke of Canada's continuing support for Israel.

"Israel is a beacon of light, a source of democracy and an example to the world, Canadian Foreign Minister Rob Nicholson, on his first visit to Jerusalem, told President Reuven Rivlin "

"Canada has supported Israel in the past, does so in the present, and will continue to do so in the future, Nicholson assured Rivlin."

I showed that Australia is increasing its support for Israel in UN.
Hard facts.

Your turn.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: GUEST,dáithí
Date: 04 Jun 15 - 05:46 AM

Thanks Teribus - I am aware of all the other examples of British imperialism that you mention; in response to the original poster's question, which was about examples of countries that had attempted cultural genocide I simply highlighted one example which was among the worse (in my view)in this region but am well aware of the historical situation across the British isles generally.

Keith suggested that because Ireland does in fact still have a culture (music, art, literature, language) my point is invalid. However, the occupiers of Ireland did pass laws banning the things I mentioned which is surely an indisputable example of attempted cultural genocide. The question posed was about countries that had attemted cultural genocide, not whether they had succeeded - and the fact remains that this was attempted in Ireland over many centuries and whilst not entirely succesful, nonetheless left a deep scar on the culture of the people there.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Jun 15 - 05:49 AM

So, ake, seeing as Teribus has not yet done so, are you going to provide evidence of where I "ignored historical fact, logic and reasoning"? No? Thought not.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Teribus
Date: 04 Jun 15 - 06:28 AM

Ah little gnome does it piss you off when people accuse you of all sorts of things then refuse to substantiate their claims? Well join the club the likes Shaw, Musktwat and Jim Carroll do it all the time to the likes of Keith, Akenaton and myself.

As the self appointed destroyers of discussion on this forum they have been responsible for lost threads where many of the examples have been deleted or lost.

One that I do recall had something to do with whether or not one of the 1930 - 1969 "Revisionists" work should be regarded as being representative of the history of the period backed up by fact. The "historian" in question was the ex-Tory Cabinet Minister Alan Clark and his book was entitled "Donkeys" a work that even Clark's own tutor at Oxford rubbished. A rather long and impressive list of historians who were/are acknowledged experts on the period also gave the work scathing peer reviews along with their reasons - now rather than discuss that, you ignored what they were saying entirely then conducted a full scale "state ball" dancing on the head of a pin about adjectives used to disparage the work and whether or not someone got them the right way round.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Jun 15 - 06:36 AM

So dáithí, where is cultural genocide happening now and what would you do about it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Jun 15 - 06:45 AM

One that I do recall had something to do with...

So, still no substance then? Just faulty recollections? I thought as much. And, yes, it does "piss me off when people accuse me of all sorts of things then refuse to substantiate their claims" but I would rather not join your club thank you. For the fourth time, are you going to provide any evidence for your accusation?


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: GUEST,R Sole
Date: 04 Jun 15 - 06:54 AM

My typo can be put down to an unfortunate auto correct. it would be stretching imagination somewhat for Teribus to put his pompous appalling bollocks down to his computer. I think his brain helped his jaded logic and prejudice.

Why do those with a bigoted outlook defend themselves by accusing others of being wedded to a philosophy? Most interesting.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Teribus
Date: 04 Jun 15 - 07:11 AM

What "bigoted" outlook R Sole? I ask by the way DtG knowing full well I will not get any answer - GUEST R Sole = One of the Musktwats - they develop different "GUEST" persona when it suits and the questions asked in the thread have become too difficult for them to face.

Also for that matter R Sole what unsubstantiated claims have I made related to Israel and her Arab neighbours? Or are you honestly trying to tell us all that there were:

- No anti-jewish riots in 1920 or 1921?
- No partitioning of the original mandated territory in 1923?
- No anti-jewish riots in 1929?

Do you honestly deny the facts that there are:

- No officially recognised borders for the State of Israel.
- No maps showing what the Palestinian Authority see as being the two states of Israel and Palestine that they have "conned" the world into believing that they are "fighting" for.

Again DtG I will get no response to any of those points - perhaps you too would like to deny the points made? Or will you just ignore them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Jun 15 - 07:15 AM

Guest R.Sole,
I wonder if Keith A of Hertford and Teribus are aliases for pro Israeli activists? They both spout off views that cannot be collaborated

I am so sorry you missed or failed to understand the corroboration that was in fact provided R.Sole.

Please identify any view we expressed and I will guide you to the corroboration.

Perhaps you are confusing our posts with Musket's.
He makes unsupported and demonstrably false assertions all the time.
You two share a very similar style of posting.

And R.Sole, we are not any kind of activists.
We just bring a little balance, truth and objectivity to the debate.
How you people hate that!
You have no answers though.
Just abuse and baseless assertions.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Jun 15 - 08:04 AM

Again DtG I will get no response to any of those points - perhaps you too would like to deny the points made? Or will you just ignore them.

Of course I will ignore them. They have nothing to do with me and I have no interest in the argument. The only reason I got involved was to see if you would substantiate the unwarranted accusation involving me. Which you still have not done, preferring instead to obfuscate the issue.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Jun 15 - 08:17 AM

Oh, and yes, I am quite sure that you can substantiate the claims you have made related to "Israel and her Arab neighbours" but, not having a horse in that race, I am not interested. I do however have a personal interest in the claim you have made about me so, hopefully for the final time, are you going to put up or shut up?


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Jun 15 - 08:28 AM

"I am not interested."

If you're not interested in the subject matter of the thread why are you posting in it? (as if we don't know)


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Teribus
Date: 04 Jun 15 - 08:29 AM

Already have put up Gnome, you have just chosen to ignore it.

I am sure that Keith A and others can verify the exchanges I referred to related to Alan Clark's book and the considered opinions of those historians who critiqued the work.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Teribus
Date: 04 Jun 15 - 08:35 AM

What "unsubstantiated waffle" Musktwat?


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Jun 15 - 08:47 AM

If you're not interested in the subject matter of the thread why are you posting in it?

Because I was mentioned by Teribus. As if you didn't know...

Already have put up Gnome, you have just chosen to ignore it.

I am sure that Keith A and others can verify the exchanges


You have not put up anything at all by way of proof. Keith can verify that I never disputed any of his points but why should he? It is up to you to substantiate the allegation or stop making it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Jun 15 - 09:10 AM

Dave, I can verify that you ridiculed me for stating and corroborating my views on WWI.
Also that you mocked me for claiming a consensus among historians in support of those views even though I produced linked quotes from historians referring to that consensus.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Teribus
Date: 04 Jun 15 - 09:21 AM

"Brown-n-Crinkly" has gone awfully quiet hasn't he?

Perhaps he is engaged in his enthralling hobby of reading through other people's posts - he does seem to do a lot of that, since he suddenly appeared a few days ago.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Jun 15 - 09:31 AM

Dave, I can verify that you ridiculed me for stating and corroborating my views on WWI.

Nope. Just ridiculed you for being so pompous.

Also that you mocked me for claiming a consensus among historians in support of those views even though I produced linked quotes from historians referring to that consensus.

Yep. You cannot say that all historians support your views, because you have not read the works of all historians. It is simply a logical fallacy but you cannot see it.

But you are just evading the issue and attempting to change the subject again. Did I ever ""ignore historical fact, logic and reasoning"? If so, where and when? It is no less than you demand.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Musket
Date: 04 Jun 15 - 09:57 AM

Heh heh. Someone else clocks the bullshit, lies, propaganda and trolling behaviour of Terribulus and Keith A Hole of Hertford and therefore Keith assumes he or she is "similar in style" to Musket. Considering Musket is three styles anyway, I would have thought of all the logged in styles, our would fe the most difficult to pin down, (on purpose.)

No Keith. It merely means lots of people don't fall for your unfortunate bias.

I would have to check back, but I think R Sole once disagreed with something I said.

Some say good old Keith


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Musket
Date: 04 Jun 15 - 09:58 AM

Some say fuck him


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: akenaton
Date: 04 Jun 15 - 10:22 AM

How brilliantly witty!
Even for such a far travelled and well educated person.

I am in awe   :oo


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Teribus
Date: 04 Jun 15 - 10:24 AM

"Someone else clocks the bullshit, lies, propaganda and trolling behaviour of Terribulus and Keith A Hole of Hertford "

Well no Musktwat they don't, as when asked to put up any sort of counter argument as part of the discussion, or when any point made by you is challenged and clearly demonstrated to be wrong you just retire behind bluster, insult and personal attack - the behaviour normally associated with a six year old in a school playground when he isn't getting his own way all the time.

So Musktwat he's your chance:

What bullshit?
What lies?
What propaganda?
What trolling behaviour?

Bets on DtG - bet I get no response at all - you lot are as predictable as the tide.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Jun 15 - 10:51 AM

Bets on DtG - bet I get no response at all

I think it about as likely as you finding any evidence of me "ignoring historical fact, logic and reasoning". I won't hold my breath for that one either :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Jun 15 - 10:53 AM

Musket,
strangely,all four of you write in the same style.

Dave,
Yep. You cannot say that all historians support your views, because you have not read the works of all historians.

Nope.
Not only could I not find a single dissenting voice, none of you people could either in over a year of searching.
Also, I showed that the historians themselves referred to the consensus.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Teribus
Date: 04 Jun 15 - 11:35 AM

The following was also a dead give-away Keith:

GUEST,R Sole - 04 Jun 15 - 06:54 AM

"My typo can be put down to an unfortunate auto correct."


Now who else has complained about the same feature when posting using a mobile device?


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Jun 15 - 01:33 PM

Is this a history discussion? Ah well, but remember it was Teribus that first mentioned me and then asked you to verify what he said. Which you didn't...

Anyway. Can you say that every single historian, even by your exacting standards, agree with your points? No, you cannot, because you will never read all their works. It is all I ever said.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Teribus
Date: 04 Jun 15 - 01:46 PM

The history you chose to ignore was that works written post Alan Clark's "Donkeys" were written with much better information from wider sources and by historians who were acknowledged specialists in the period (Something that Clark most certainly wasn't). Therefore to cling to discredited conclusions arrived at by Clark and advance them in any discussion on the subject while studiously ignoring the far better done by others lacks both logical and reason.

Go dance on the head of your pin DtG it is about all that you are good for.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Greg F.
Date: 04 Jun 15 - 01:54 PM

Dear God, PLEASE not another WWI discussion - its deja vu all over again.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Musket
Date: 04 Jun 15 - 02:00 PM

Educated English is a style? Conversational English is a style?

Whatever the form, the content counts. Yeah, I'm Dave The Gnome, Steve Shaw and Harry Arsehole too. Not to mention The UN, a bunch of objective historians and Tony Robinson.

Of course, by inferring you aren't actually making stupid claims are you? Or at least by your level of intelligence. If you are saying anybody weighing you up must be me in disguise, you must live a wonderful life where people only start laughing once you get out of earshot.

Still, claiming I am people is different to claiming I have never been to a folk club in Hertford I suppose. I am or I am not whatever is convenient for you to think. Any idea how idiotic you are in your assertions? Your paranoia is your own brain, not the brain of others. If you can't handle debate, either get out more and get a more balanced view of life or accept the world isn't quite what The Daily M*il tells you it is. Listening to Terribulus seems to exacerbate the issue too..

Perhaps some of us on Mudcat are inadvertently doing you a favour Keith. Although that isn't the aim. The aim is challenging the shocking disgraceful lies you and your mate Terribulus find and parrot out. I suggest you start a thread for people who watch Sky News. They tend to be the sort who might listen and nod in agreement.

Fool.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Jun 15 - 02:43 PM

Ignoring Teribus's post about the British mandate doesn't do much for some people's debating credentials.

From the look of this some of it was correct and relevant British Mandate for Palestine.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Jun 15 - 02:47 PM

The history you chose to ignore was that works written post Alan Clark's "Donkeys" were written with much better information from wider sources

I never did such a thing, which is why you will never show where. In fact I acknowledged the same fact many times, ask your mate. Feel free to carry on with the same lies though. It says lots more about you than it does me!

Why start to pick a fight with someone who was not even in this discussion anyway? Still stinging from sitting in the Christian chair? :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Jun 15 - 04:02 PM

Jim,
Even that nice Mr Cameron has condemned them

"As PM, putting yourself in the shoes of the Israeli people, who want peace but have to put up with these indiscriminate attacks - that reinforces to me the importance of standing by Israel and Israel's right to defend itself.

"I feel very strongly that this equivalence that sometimes people try to draw when these attacks take place is so completely wrong and unfair."

"Because Israel is trying defend against indiscriminate attacks, while trying to stop the attackers – and there's such a difference between that and the nature of the indiscriminate attacks that Israel receives. I feel that very clearly. I've seen it very clearly as Prime Minister and I think it's important to speak out about it.

"Obviously we regret the loss of life wherever it takes place, but I do think there's an important difference – as Prime Minister Netanyahu put it: Israel uses its weapons to defend its people and Hamas uses its people to defend its weapons."

"In an interview with The Atlantic, he said Israel was at risk from an "insidious, creeping attempt" to undermine it as a state."
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/generalelection/david-cameron-says-israel-was-right-to-defend-itself-over-gaza-att


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Jun 15 - 04:05 PM

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/generalelection/david-cameron-says-israel-was-right-to-defend-itself-over-gaza-attacks-last-year-10210203.html


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Joe_F
Date: 04 Jun 15 - 06:12 PM

For a review that will piss off everybody see Ethnic pest zones.


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