BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Teribus
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 11:46 AM

GUEST,Raggytash - 26 Jan 16 - 07:20 AM

"Poor try Terriblossom. I can produce maps that do not show France, Germany, Italy, Serbia, Bosnia et al in their present borders."

Of course you can Raggy, but I liked the qualification you just slipped in there at the tail - "in their present borders." - so show me a map that predates 1970 that shows a COUNTRY called Palestine on a map. Now as we are discussing the creation of Israel from the former League of Nations Mandated Territory of Palestine (77% of which was hived off solely and exclusively for Arab settlement in 1923) To counter your claim that Palestine existed prior to Arafat's creation of it in the early 1970s I thought the map of the area of the previous owners might be of interest and guess what Raggy - no mention of Palestine to be seen anywhere.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 11:51 AM

Arab refugee: Arabs left Israel in 1948 because of leadership's promise that it would be temporary

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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 12:20 PM

More What!!!! In 1948??? What on earth do you think the population of the reduced (1923) Mandated TERRITORY of Palestine was?
More aggressive biullshit when will you ever learn
Jim Carroll

AUPHR

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 12:23 PM

Guest at 1143 -- It's indeed just a Cambridge MA, which BA's proceed to automatically, I believe it's 11 terms after graduation, as earnest of their being admitted to the University Senate; which is only a formality also, at that, as the only time it has done me any good was to be able to vote for Brian Blessed as University Chancellor a few years back -- and then he didn't win. Doesn't even get me a badge for any of the University car parks! Oh, yes, it does entitle me to some occasional High Table dinners at my old college -- must remember to go & claim one, one of these fine years!

Mysterious are the ways of these ancient foundations!

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Back to terrorism in Mideast!

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 12:33 PM

It wasn't actually awarded "as a matter of course", mind; why, iirc I had to pay a seven guinea "administration fee" for it!

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 01:53 PM

Palestine during the last 70 years

I did notice you made no mention of the bible or the romans Terriblossom

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Teribus
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 03:46 PM

"no mention of the bible or the romans"

Thought you and your pals had no time for anything said in the bible - the Romans used the term "Palestine" in exactly the same way the League of Nations did a way of describing a collection of districts Idumea; Judea; Samaria; Galilee; Decapolis; Perea; Nabatea. Like the original Mandate defined by the League of Nations Roman Palestine was much larger than the amended 1923 League of Nations version.

Nice try at deflecting the discussion Raggy - hasn't worked - Oh dear, how sad, never mind. Palestine as a nation and "Palestinians" as a people were invented by Yasser Arafat as a means of making money sometime in the early 1970s.

Not found that map I take it.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 07:21 PM

Bit of a contradiction there Territowelling.

You seem to accept that a Roman Palestine did indeed exist that was larger than the 1923 version, again Palestine.

So please clarify.

Did Palestine exist in Roman (and biblical times) and did it exist in 1923.

As regards a link to the map, a mistake on my part. Have a look at the second map on the second line.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST,dullardry
Date: 27 Jan 16 - 12:23 AM

Let off a bomb
Start a school
Cut off a head
Build a clinic
Pick your side

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 27 Jan 16 - 02:08 AM

Interesting article On BBC news website. The UN defending the right of the Palestinian oppressed to defend themselves against Israeli aggression. Ban ki Moon coming off the fence.

Meanwhile, Israeli militants have killed 155 Palestinians since October.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Jan 16 - 03:26 AM

"I did notice you made no mention of the bible or the romans Terriblossom"
Don't hold your breath Raggy - these clowns don't do 'answers'
Terry the Thunderer beligerates that Arafat invented Palestine for money - then silence when that one is shot down
Keith demands contradiction that Ban Ki-Moon condemns Palestinians - you give it to him - silence again.
Brainless Bruce (he without the balls to post under his chosen identity and who denies himself when recognised) claims that Israel isn't a theocracy (one of the widest know facts in the conflict) - show him it is - silence.
These guys deal only in silence (though Terrytoon is rather blusteringly loud about it).
They are a trio of know-nothings without the nouse even to hide their ignorance.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 27 Jan 16 - 03:42 AM

Keith demands contradiction that Ban Ki-Moon condemns Palestinians
BBC 7 hours ago.
"Speaking at the UN Security Council, Mr Ban also condemned recent stabbings of Israelis by Palestinians."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-35414822

None of you liberal-lefties have yet condemned the knifing of immigrants on grounds of race, which is what is happening.i>Keith demands contradiction that Ban Ki-Moon condemns Palestinians

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 27 Jan 16 - 03:50 AM

Everybody condemns it Keith. Why wouldn't anybody?

The reason it isn't relevant in these posts is that we are discussing the rogue state of Israel and their aggressive terrorism of neighbours. Sure, said neighbours defend themselves and as with most people, blur defence.

What is a liberal leftie by the way, and can you point me to his or her posts?

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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Jan 16 - 04:02 AM

""Speaking at the UN Security Council, Mr Ban also condemned recent stabbings of Israelis by Palestinians.""
I'm sure he did Keith - that wasn't your question
Ban Ki- Moon condemned Israel for killing children - your question was did he support them
It's taken a week for you to respond and even then you had to be smoked out - which was the point I was making.
Of course he condemns street stabbings - everybody condemns the random killing of innocent people, except people like you, who supports it when it happens to thousands - by tanks, rockets, chemicals..... or even by killers sent in to slaughter thousands of unarmed refugees - just as long as it's done in the name of the State of Israel.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 27 Jan 16 - 04:07 AM

Ban Ki- Moon condemned Israel for killing children

Quote please.

rogue state of Israel and their aggressive terrorism of neighbours

Quote/example please.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 27 Jan 16 - 04:12 AM

except people like you, who supports it when it happens to thousands - by tanks, rockets, chemicals.

Disgusting personal slur.
Of course I never have.
Will you produce a quote?
Of course not. That is not what you do.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Jan 16 - 04:24 AM

"Of course I never have."
Yes you have - from day one
A quote - where to start - there have been no massacres - Sabra/Shatila - 2014 slaughter.... all - "Israel is innocent" - and that's without the persecution in the form of evictions, chemical spraying, moving Bedouins onto toxic dumps, a ten-year blockade to starve Palestinians into submission - and all the other non or long term fatalities you have defended by blaming the victims.
Your record speaks for itself and hangs around your neck like a plague bell.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 27 Jan 16 - 04:25 AM

Everybody condemns it Keith.

Not in your posts.
Jim started a whole thread condemning wristbands to enable immigrants to claim welfare, but not a word about murdering them because of their race.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 27 Jan 16 - 04:30 AM

Gaza 2014.
Israel was subjected to indiscriminate attacks on its civilians from terrorists hiding among civilians. It was a victim of war crimes.
It had a right and duty to respond, and tried to do so without breaking international law. The civilian deaths were the result of Hamas' war crimes not Israel's.

Beirut 1982.
An Arab militia carried out a reprisal massacre in the Sabra/Shatilla camp.
Other massacres also occurred in those camps.
All were committed by Arabs not Israelis.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Jan 16 - 04:30 AM

"but not a word about murdering them because of their race."
What!!!!
I have always condemned the racist murder of anybody - immigrants or otherwise - always.
You people have accused me so seeing racists under the bed.
Don't you dare attempt to smear me with your own racism
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 27 Jan 16 - 04:31 AM

Jim,
"Israel is innocent"

Fake quote.
I have never said that.
Will you produce a genuine quote?
No.
You can't.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 27 Jan 16 - 04:33 AM

I have always condemned the racist murder of anybody - immigrants or otherwise - always.

You have not once condemned the stabbing of Jews.
Or, show us a quote.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 27 Jan 16 - 04:34 AM

"Not. You can't"

Ah, familiar territory.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Jan 16 - 06:34 AM

No sniping from the sidelines Musket , jim dosen't like it !

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Jan 16 - 09:12 AM

"You have not once condemned the stabbing of Jews."
Yes I have Keith - I have just said "everybody condemns the random killing of innocent people, except people like you" - that was my case about rocket attacks and is also my view about these attacks.
I have pointed out that I believe the taking of human is basically evil - I refuse to specify one or the other - ALL HUMAN LIFE (thought it was a Christian ethic - obviously not).
What I do say is what is happening at present is not unconnected with the slaughter of 2,104 Palestinian dead, including 1,462 civilians - 344 children And 110 women - the stabbings are the direct consequence of the actions of the Israeli regime - that does not justify them, it just explains why they are happening
Youre argument from day one is that Israel never did what it ahs been see to do over and over again - not responsible for massacres, Sabra Shatila, killing of civilians.... nothing
You even said at one stage that you were JUST PUTTING THE ISRAELI CASE
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 27 Jan 16 - 12:09 PM

Jim's likes and dislikes aren't my concern here.

On these matters he is generally on the side of the Angels, even if his logic and reasoning occasionally makes it easy for those with odious agendas to ridicule his detail.

Meanwhile Ban ki Moon has at last joined the ranks of reason, castigating Israel for occupation and terrorism. Once the pro Israel dollars can no longer buy respect for slaughter, all sides might have to sit down and negotiate after all, but as with US gun law, you need honest politicos first.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 27 Jan 16 - 02:09 PM

Youre argument from day one is that Israel never did what it ahs been see to do over and over again - not responsible for massacres, Sabra Shatila, killing of civilians.

I have put Israel's case as you have put the opposite case.
Why do you object to both sides being put?

castigating Israel for occupation and terrorism.

No. He has not castigated Israel for terrorism. Why claim it?
He did refer to "occupation." That is an interpretation of the situation, but many do not share it.

"No. You can't"
Ah, familiar territory.

Familiar yes.
When Jim accuses me of saying things I never have and never would say, I point out that he is lying again and can not give a quote because it is a lie.

I ask Jim to respond to what I say and not lie that I have said things that I have not said.
I ask that he debates the issues instead of trying to demonize me personally with lies.
Reasonable request I think.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST,hoLo
Date: 27 Jan 16 - 02:12 PM

Sorry, I got ahead of myself. ..... Even if his logic and reasoning, etc... Well, yes, it does make it easy to disagree with him, Of course it is not " odious" to disagree with such hateful rubbish as Jim spouts here., there is no logic or reason to it' just unremitting , over the top rants.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Greg F.
Date: 27 Jan 16 - 02:20 PM

such hateful rubbish

Hateful rubbish - like claiming that anyone who criticises Israeli government policy is an antisemite, Hi?

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 27 Jan 16 - 02:38 PM

like claiming that anyone who criticises Israeli government policy is an antisemite,

But, no-one here has ever claimed that Greg.
It has been claimed that anti-Semites habitually criticise Israel, but that is a fact.
What is your point?

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Greg F.
Date: 27 Jan 16 - 02:54 PM

But, no-one here has ever claimed that Greg.

Either your reading comprehension skills need improvemment, Professor, or you haven't been paying attention.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Jan 16 - 03:17 PM

"I ask Jim to respond to what I say and not lie that I have said things that I have not said"
No I don't - show where I have
When I produce of something you claim not to have said - you usually either go on justifying it or balme somebody else, like a real Historian" or an "expert" and blame them for putting you up to it.
You don't even have the balls to stand by your own opinions.
"But, no-one here has ever claimed that Greg."
WHAT!!!!!!
Brainless Bruce does it ll the time, Mike has done it, you have done it in the past - it's the standard get-out-of-jail card in these discussions.
You really do need an honesty implant (not a cultural one)
You demonise yourself with your dishonesty and stupidity
Still no sign of your evidence for all those claims and dismissals - Benny Morris's supposed contradictors, 6 Day War massacres, Sabra Shatila evidence, Israel attempts to destroy International Criminal Court, 2014 massacres that didn't happen.....
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Jan 16 - 04:08 PM

anyone who criticises Israeli government policy is an antisemite   

no one here has done that but:

Making mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or stereotypical allegations about Jews as such or the power of Jews as collective - such as, especially but not exclusively - the myth about a world Jewish conspiracy, or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other societal institutions.    CHECK

Applying double standards by requiring of it behaviour not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation    CHECK

Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.    CHECK

Let it be clear: Criticism of Israel is not antisemitic, and saying so is wrong. But singling Israel out for selective condemnation and opprobrium - let alone denying its right to exist or seeking its destruction - is discriminatory and hateful, and not saying so is dishonest.      CHECK

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 27 Jan 16 - 04:53 PM

Greg,
Either your reading comprehension skills need improvemment, Professor, or you haven't been paying attention.

No Greg.
No-one here has ever claimed, "that anyone who criticises Israeli government policy is an antisemite."

You will find none.

Jim,
No I don't - show where I have
"Israel is innocent"

Fake quote.
I have never said that.

"people like you, who supports it when it happens to thousands - by tanks, rockets, chemicals..... or even by killers sent in to slaughter thousands of unarmed refugees - just as long as it's done in the name of the State of Israel."

Completely untrue and made up.
Lies Jim. If you had a case you would not have to resort to telling lies about me.
Why not just discuss the issues instead of always making it personal against me?

Brainless Bruce does it ll the time, Mike has done it, you have done it in the past

Not true.
No-one here has ever claimed, "that anyone who criticises Israeli government policy is an antisemite."
You will not find one.

Still no sign of your evidence for all those claims and dismissals - Benny Morris's supposed contradictors, 6 Day War massacres, Sabra Shatila evidence, Israel attempts to destroy International Criminal Court, 2014 massacres that didn't happen.....

Put your claims up one at a time and I will address them all.
No-one could begin to deal with all that shit in one thread never mind one post.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Jan 16 - 05:01 PM

An Israeli man was wounded Wednesday night in a suspected terror stabbing at a gas station outside the West Bank settlement of Givat Ze'ev, north of Jerusalem.

The man was treated by medical teams that arrived at the scene. The Magen David Adom first-aid service said he was stabbed in the upper body and moderately to severely wounded.

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Earlier Wednesday, a Palestinian teen was arrested on suspicion that he had attempted to stab a soldier at the Qalandiya checkpoint near Jerusalem. There were no injuries in the incident.

During a routine army search on a bus at the checkpoint, the teenager was asked to show his identity card, and when he failed to do so, was requested to step out of the vehicle. At that point the 17-year-old pulled out a knife and tried to assault an IDF soldier, but the weapon fell from his hand, police said.

Terrorism, Again (Israel).....indeed!

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 27 Jan 16 - 05:07 PM

"Mike has done it" ...

ONLY within the context of comparison with Nazism, which is one of that EUMC's definitions of antisemitism. You shouldn't suggest that I make a habit of denouncing any criticism of Israel's government as antisemitism. I have had some not entirely favorable things to say of it/them myself, for that matter!

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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 27 Jan 16 - 05:54 PM

Let,s be honest here. I have lived in Israel. The Israel Jim describes does not exist. His version of that country is filled with vitriol, distortions and bloody rubbish.   call that what you will, but his utter hatred of that country is driven not by reasoned debate, but by a skewed and demonizing point of view. not only is Israel demonized, but those who disagree with him are "odious" and even anti Semitic . please do spare us the pretence and call it what it is...an irrational and obsessive hate for that country...about which he knows less than nothing. So please , give up on facts, facts don!t interest him. and for Gods sake, don,t cower under to his accusations of bigotry, it is his favourite ploy and I am sick to death of it.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Brian May
Date: 27 Jan 16 - 06:14 PM

Over the years I've visited this site, the same old names crop up - whatever the subject, with diametrically opposed views. They then savage each other with accusations and counter-accusations of who said what when.

I'm beginning to think that it's just one schizophrenic with multiple logins . . .

Don't you ever get tired with arguing with each other?

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 27 Jan 16 - 06:25 PM

Greg, there is nothing wrong with anyone's reading comprehension skills here, we are not all stupid . Some of us understand what is going on here. And please do stop this foolishness about calling critics of Israel anti semetic, it is a very tired tactic. You ought to read these threads more carefully, and you also need to find some subjects you know something about, comment on them, but please do your homework and stop being so off hand about a subject the nuances of which escape you!

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Jan 16 - 05:13 AM

" CHECK"
Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel.   CHECK
However, criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as antisemitic.   CHECK

"No I don't - show where I have "Israel is innocent""
Right – let's give it a try and see how we go.

1   Jewish forces were responsible for 24 massacres during the Arab/Israeli War – if this os disputed, please show   True or false?

2   Israel has a history of massacres dating to the beginning of the state
Massacres by Israeli troops and special forces took place in the fifites, sixties seventies, 80s,,, in fact, up to the present day Treu or false?

3   Towards the end of the Six Day War, Israeli officers ordered the execution of unarmed prisoners, then, having odered their buriel, ordered the killing of the gravediggers, selected from among the remaining prisoners, in otder to conceal the crime   True or false?

4    Using the pretence of searching for fighters and weapons, the Israeli army, under the leadership of Ariel Sharon, transported and armed Christian right-wing Falangists troops to the Sabra/Shatila refugee camps, opened the gates and stood by while, for there days, they massacred up to 3,500 unarmed refugee men women and children.
The three-day massacre included the mass rape of women, followed by throat-cutting, the disembowelling of living women and the tearing of the foetuses from their wombs.
One eye-witness survivor testified that she appealed to an Israeli soldier who was standing by as she was being dragged away – he turned his back on her.
So the massacre could continue throughout the night, the Israeli army provided illumination by flares – at the gates, they turned back refuges trying to escape.
At the end of three days, the army provided bulldozers to bury the bodies – eventually they built a Sports Stadium over the mass graves, ascertaining that the exact number of dead will never be known.
The Army then transported the killers from the scene – they have never been brought to justice
The man in charge of the Israeli troops, Ariel Sharon, was later elected Prime Minister of Israel
No democratic modern country has ever elected any individual accused, let alone found partially guilty of such a crime into high office – nowhere.
True or false?

5   In 2015, Israel invaded Gaza, leaving 2,104 Palestinian dead, including 1,462 civilians - 344 children.
The destruction included hospitals, schools, health centres, elderly care homes and many thousands of domestic dwellings, many of these still occupied.
On one occasion, the officials of a hospital informed an Israeli officer that they were unable to evacuate the patients because of their advanced ages and condition – the officer instructed them to stay where they were and, the following morning, bombarded the hospital with rockets and tank fire.
Followin the fighting, parties of Israeli troops wandered around the rubble picking off survivors.
True or false?

6   Since the invasion teh Israelis have fought tooth and nail to avoid standing trial - they have proposed that The International War Crimes Court be closed down/
Should this happen, there will be no International independant body to try the present war crimes taking place by people like Assad and Isis.
True or false?

There you go – try that for size, blue eyes.
   
"The Israel Jim describes does not exist. "
What we saw on tele over the last decade is all lies then Lilo – jeeze – not another one
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 28 Jan 16 - 05:25 AM

ItsHiLo Jim. You are an obsessive hater . If your description of Israel comes from a decade of telly watching, I do wonder what channels you take in.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 28 Jan 16 - 06:00 AM

It is all tosh Jim.
Choose one of your claims and we will look at it in detail.
What are you afraid of?
Being proved deluded?
Having it all shown to be tosh?
You are right to fear that.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Teribus
Date: 28 Jan 16 - 06:12 AM

Jim Carroll - 28 Jan 16 - 05:13 AM

More baseless and unsubstantiated allegations Jim?? Example or Point 3 is very reminiscent of your WWI fable about summary executions.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Jan 16 - 06:39 AM

"It is all tosh Jim."
That'll do nicely Keith Israel "didn't do anything" - just what you accused my of lying about.
Piss of with "choose one of your claims" - you don't even have scroll up the thread - they are there for the choosing
Start with one, if you wish and work your way down - suits me.
I don't need to dig out evidence for any single one of these claims - they have all been presented over and over again
"
Choose one of your claims and we will look at it in detail."
Pompous pratt - all looked at in detail dozens of times.
" Example or Point 3 is very reminiscent of your WWI fable about summary executions."
And just like my WW1 claim - linmked to indisputable evidence.
You want to give Keith a hand as he seems incapable of dealing with half-a-dozen words at a time?
Thought not
Lie down, you pair of tossers -you're long dead
Thanks again for the confirmation |Keith -apology not expected.
Game, set and match again
"If your description of Israel comes from a decade of telly watching"
My information comes from a lifetime of supporting the State of Israel - my family did so from the beginning and were on the streets fighting Mosely when the Jews were being attacked.
Criticism of the Isreali regime, from Einstien's "massacres", from Haaretz claiming "ethnic cleansing" and "persecution of Bedoins", from Israeli critics who have described Israel as "an apartheid State"..... and much much more - has always been backed with and, where possible - linked to direct evidence - where is yours Lilo?
Before you ask - no, I haven't been to Israel and I am as likely to go there aws I was to Apartheid South Africa.
Still have the postcard from a late dear friend Tom Munnelly, who attended an International Ballad Conference in Jerusalem and described it as resembling a military dictatorship - his closing words were "Beam me up Scotty" (Tommy always did have a way with words)
Sorry that should have been "trio of tossers"
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 28 Jan 16 - 06:55 AM

Typical Jim response...'lifetime supporting Israel, his family attacked the Moselys, Einstein agrees with Jim Carroll, he had a friend who went to Jerusalem, Jim watches ten years of telly, those who call him on his gross distortions are tossers, And his friend had a way with words .....ah Jim , you are so predictable!

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 28 Jan 16 - 07:08 AM

Start with one, if you wish and work your way down - suits me.

Ok Jim.
5   In 2015, Israel invaded Gaza, leaving 2,104 Palestinian dead, including 1,462 civilians - 344 children.

Israel was subjected to indiscriminate attacks on its civilians from terrorists hiding among civilians. It was a victim of war crimes.
It had a right and duty to respond, and tried to do so without breaking international law. The civilian deaths were the result of Hamas' war crimes not Israel's.

No decent democratic government believes Israel guilty of any massacre or atrocity.
They know it is all propaganda, but deluded hate filled people like you suck it all up without a question.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Jan 16 - 07:16 AM

No excuse of the atrocities done during the invasion the destructuion of occupied hospitals, he unprecedented killing of so many children (according to Ban Ki-Moon) or women and old people.
"No decent democratic government believes Israel guilty of any massacre or atrocity."
Every single human rights group has accused it of these - not interested what self-interested politicians think.
Not done too well so far - no evidence, just denials "Israel didn't do it"
Now how about that rest of number 5?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Jan 16 - 07:20 AM

"lifetime supporting Israel, his family attacked the Moselys.... all of which beats anything you have offered to date.
You missed ourt the reams of evidence which has been put up - which you are welcome to demolish
Your're not even as good at this as Keith or Terrytoon, are you Lilo?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 28 Jan 16 - 07:36 AM

You have put up speculation, distortions, propaganda and rubbish. There is no point giving facts, you ignore them. people who are obsessed and consumed by hate red need to be confronted at every turn. . and it is HiLo Jim, name calling is not what grown ups do.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 28 Jan 16 - 07:37 AM

just denials "Israel didn't do it"

Not what I said at all.
I just gave Israel's side of the story.

the destructuion of occupied hospitals,

Hamas was operating and fighting from the hospitals.
They put the hospital in harm's way, not Israel which was acting in defence of civilians.

killing of so many children (according to Ban Ki-Moon) or women and old people.

The civilian deaths were the result of Hamas' war crimes not Israel's.