BS: Trump again

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 Oct 16 - 10:14 AM

"The UK. Good old blighty. Once more the home of nationalism, "
Nicely put Stu.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Greg F.
Date: 13 Oct 16 - 09:08 AM

plunging us into a new age of ignorance

Too late, Stu. And there's no need for a new age of ignorance.

Trump is the result of the old age of ignorance; the Republican War On Objective Reality waged since Reagan by Fox news, Hannity, Limbaugh, Savage, Jones, Koch & etc. aided by massive cuts to education funding and the Republican War Against Teachers (and Teachers' Unions) by the same crew.

Recall Trump's own comment: "I love the poorly educated".

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 Oct 16 - 08:24 AM

Trump now being openly accused of sexual assaults on four women.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 Oct 16 - 08:20 AM

"And a Scottish court has ruled it's ok for women to pee on his golf course."
I'll see if I can't get our local ladies 'in motion' as soon as possible
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Jack Campin
Date: 13 Oct 16 - 07:16 AM

And a Scottish court has ruled it's ok for women to pee on his golf course.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-37642639

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 13 Oct 16 - 04:21 AM

The upper house of the New South Wales parliament in Australia has unanimously passed a motion calling Trump a "revolting slug" unfit for public Office.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 Oct 16 - 03:55 AM

"Actually Jim it was anger at the established political system and how it works which produced Mr Trump"
The Republicans were happy to back Trump whn he looked like a winner - any hatred that may now exist only showed its head when he became an embarrassment.
It was not anger that produced him - it was wealth.
Trump has no visible political skills; he has no record in politics - he bought his candidature.
In a way, he is an incidental in this discussion and making him the centre of attention misses the point.
A system which allows anybody to buy access to an office that places a finger such as Trump's on the nuclear button is terrifyingly dangerous and very much in need of repair.
Trump is, in fact, our near neighbour here in the West of Ireland - he owns a golf course just fifteen miles from here.
His club is still part of the long-running fight to make a stretch of our coast unavailable to public access - he's just been beaten in court, but I have no doubt that he'll be back.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Stu
Date: 13 Oct 16 - 03:41 AM

"You don't specify which country is "this country", Stu."

The UK. Good old blighty. Once more the home of nationalism, the little Englander mentality, the deluded, misinformed, hatful, xenophobic, homophobic, uncompassionate, misogynistic,short-termist, empire-loving, retrogressive, myopic, bullying boorish oafs we thought we'd consigned to mumbling at their pints in the corner of pubs whist the rest of the world at least tries to advance society in some way, shape or form. Instead of "taking back control" they're handing it lock stock and barrel to the Chinese, cuddling up to the Saudis and any other nasty regime they can make a quick buck off.

This is what America has to look forward to is Trump wins. Demagogues and ideologues having free reign over everyone in the country, turning the clock back and plunging us into a new age of ignorance.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Oct 16 - 10:46 PM

The account Trump gave, of just groping women because he was attracted to them - it sounds like a bad ride on a crowded subway in New York. I hazard the guess that most women have run into these cretins (I did, a couple of times) and were not impressed. At. All.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Oct 16 - 09:40 PM

One would almost expect Trump would feel an "ownership" of women in his pageants, imported Trump modeling agencies and women on his show.

Sick, compulsive, bullying, controlling, narcissistic
but as he would say
"its good to be the King."

He even made comments about toddlers and Tiaras (beauty contests for 4 yr olds through 9 yr olds.


One could imagine to themselves he is an ideal candidate for 8 mm snuff films.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: gillymor
Date: 12 Oct 16 - 08:13 PM

Where there's Trump,there's grope

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 Oct 16 - 07:22 PM

I read that Citizen Kane is a favourite movie of Donald Trump.

I'm sure that the 1915 "Birth Of A Nation" (a.k.a. 'The Klansman') is also.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 12 Oct 16 - 07:18 PM

Actually Jim it was anger at the established political system and how it works which produced Mr Trump and made him a viable candidate.

True enough - it would be equally true to say the same of Mussolini and Hitler.

I read that Citizen Kane is a favourite movie of Donald Trump. Makes sense. He probably switches off the last reel.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 12 Oct 16 - 05:57 PM

Trump Again Whittington, Lord Mayor of London...

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 Oct 16 - 05:06 PM

No, Ake - the danger signs are for the US and potentially for the entire world if that turd with legs that calls himself Trump is elected.

And, as Jim rightly says, its a disgrace to the U. S, that such a vicious cretin got as near as he has to The White House.

Tell your story walking, and get over your ridiculous anti-Clinton delusions.

Delenda est Trumpolo.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: akenaton
Date: 12 Oct 16 - 04:49 PM

Actually Jim it was anger at the established political system and how it works which produced Mr Trump and made him a viable candidate.

Look all over the developed world and you will see the same phenomenon, Mr Corbyn is also a product of public dissatisfaction with establishment politics.

The Republican establishment hates Trump Just as the Democrat establishment hated Bernie.......they see the danger signs ....not to America, but to themselves.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 Oct 16 - 04:42 PM

But ya don't count the dead when God's on your side.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Oct 16 - 03:54 PM

Your airport story reminded me of when Bush was President. I used to watch the dead fly low and slow lumbering over my head in C-5 cargo planes when they would make their last pass over the capitol and monuments on their way to Andrews AFB.
Sometimes there would only be one plane but at the height of the Iraq war their could be as many as 5 airplanes full of the dead.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Oct 16 - 02:18 PM

"with the hatred of America angle."
Sighhhhhhh!!
Just like another country I could name - point out some bad eggs and you hate us all.
I certainly don't hate Americans, but living within thirty miles of an airport which regularly allowed planes carrying manacled, illegally held untried prisoners on their way to cages in the baking hot sun and long-term separation from their families, tends to give you a somewhat jaundiced view of their various administrations.   
Back to Trump indeed.
If I went in for that sort of thing, I would be praying that this product of America privileged society gets the kicking he deserves in the election, but if anything good is to come out of all this, it must be that your country needs to take a serious look at how such a vicious cretin got as near as he did to The White House.
Something in this particular state is pretty rotten.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Oct 16 - 01:58 PM

The Florid CNN story about dibold vendors and Russian Hackers is about 5 minutes old and should appear on the internet momentarily.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 12 Oct 16 - 01:49 PM

I can't speak for Jeri, but I can tell you what I would have meant if I had said, "...the same (country) that gives you the opportunity to devote your time to the reams of crap you write here. You can say mostly everything you want here."

I would have meant:

"This forum is hosted in the US and is owned by a US citizen who, in the spirit of The First Amendment to the US Constitution, has chosen to allow pretty much unfettered discussion of almost any subject. He does not have to do so. He could just as easily have a policy of 'No political discussion', or 'No religious discussion', or even 'No non-musical discussion'. He could run this place with an iron fist if he chose to, but he doesn't. His life would probably be easier if he'd simply eliminate the BS section all together, but he's probably not going to. Because he believes in free speech."

Now, back to Trump....

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Jeri
Date: 12 Oct 16 - 01:28 PM

I'm not doing trolls today, Jim, but nice try with the hatred of America angle.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Oct 16 - 01:00 PM

"Jim, if you post it publicly, it IS my business."
The idea of public debating forums is that anybody can debate what they wish, hopefully without interference.
I say what I believe and don't expect to be told not to - I wouldn't do it to you.
"The "sort of country that allow such an individual to become such a threat" is the same one that gives you the opportunity "
Not sure I understand your point about (free speech maybe???)
Are you seriously suggesting that a nation that gave us Joe McCarthy, Nixon, Reagan, Dubya and now possibly Trump, poured burning petrol and carcinogenic 'Agent Orange'on Viet-Namese peasants for a quarter of a century, set up such examples as Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib.... actually added to our access to free speech.
In your dreams
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 12 Oct 16 - 12:35 PM

You don't specify which country is "this country", Stu.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Jeri
Date: 12 Oct 16 - 12:21 PM

Jim, if you post it publicly, it IS my business.
The "sort of country that allow such an individual to become such a threat" is the same one that gives you the opportunity to devote your time to the reams of crap you write here. You can say mostly everything you want here.

Guess, what--so can the rest of us.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Stu
Date: 12 Oct 16 - 11:45 AM

"We have enough "wrecking crew" Brit-centered thread fuck-fests here without subverting discussion about America's most prominent sociopath."

See what we have to put up with in this country? Have some sympathy for the rest of us; our country is now a fuck-up-fest thanks to these wrecking crews and their myopic belligerence.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Oct 16 - 11:07 AM

"Jim, is it possible to at least TRY to stick to the subject,?"
I answered a point Ake was making - nothing to do with his "appearing on the thread"
Jeri
If it is off topic, it was made such by others, not me
Please be kind enough to mind your own business regarding how I make my postings.
By the way - th prospect of your home-grown sociopath becoming the head of the world's powerful country has us all running for our shelters - perhaps you might remember that before you start slinging your ""wrecking crew" Brit-centered thread fuck-fests" about and instead, try to work out what sort of country allows such an individual to become such a threat.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: gillymor
Date: 12 Oct 16 - 11:06 AM

"Make America Grope Again"

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: frogprince
Date: 12 Oct 16 - 10:36 AM

Trump, Trump, Trump, the boys are marching...

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 12 Oct 16 - 10:09 AM

Trump Again - like we did last summer...?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 Oct 16 - 09:19 AM

Trump = Moron. But he's "good for Amerika" - Ake will explain it to you.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Oct 16 - 09:13 AM

He did say that in a clear voice.
He rigged the election himself.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 12 Oct 16 - 09:06 AM

I see Trump has given his supporters some very sensible advice - to go to vote for him on 28th November.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Oct 16 - 08:17 PM

He still has riches of embarrassments to come
as well as an embarrassment of riches.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 11 Oct 16 - 12:57 PM

There is no reason believe anything Trump says. He could block any USA involvement in Syria, or he could launch a nuclear war. There's no way of predicting what he'd do.

I share aken's apprehension about the possibility of President Clinton and Syria, and agree with him in seeing the Assad-must-go line as wrongheaded, and playing into the hands of Isis and it's fellow jihadists who are the most effective fighting force among the rebels.

The only sane position is to push for an end to fighting, with free and open elections. If people were to choose to vote for Assad or for Assadists, that is down to them. If the jihadists were to pull out from Aleppo (about 9,000 strong) and go to Isis controlled territory an effective ceasefire could probably be arrived at, leading to elections. The trouble is, they won't, and the other rebels aren't strong enough to compel them, even if they wish.

But this is a very unstable situation - there is every prospect that by the time Clinton were to become President in January things may have dramatically changed. Clinton in the White House is indeed a worrying thought in some ways. But the thought of having Trump in the White House is completely terrifying.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Oct 16 - 11:47 AM

A few of the worst things


Ego and self worth and need for attention
LOVE TO CAUSE ANGUISH with evil intention
Grandiose sense of self worth here on Earth
These are a few things that're worse than the worst

Callous and shallow with gold plated showers
Feeding his gross whims and snorting for hours
Pretending he's smarter and better than you
With him as your boss you would rather have flu


When abuse stings, when a lie clings, when the creep wants more
Donald feels good like he knew that he would
Because psychopath Trump, is bored.


Muslims are ALL bad but I'm not a racist
Global warming is fake shit Latinos are rapists
Pussy's expensive and women are whores
These are Trump favorites he loves to adore

The faithful are suckers and so are the red necks
Republican ******* did not give me respect.
When the big election , finally came in,
"I told you its rigged" but the Trump did not win.


When abuse stings, when a lie clings, when the creep lies more
Donald feels good he did not feel the blow
Because psychopath Trump , has a show.

end

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: mkebenn
Date: 11 Oct 16 - 11:44 AM

Developing alternate fuel, solar wind geothermal heat will make carbon based fuel sources less profitable and therefore limited. Natural gas is proof of that, witness the decrease of oil prices. Fracking, however, is not a viable solution, anymore than atomic power for obvious reasons. We can't go back, we must find ways to sustain ourselves without poisoning ourselves at the same time. Even Greg's cockroaches should understand that. Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Jeri
Date: 11 Oct 16 - 11:31 AM

Jim, is it possible to at least TRY to stick to the subject, and not take off like dog after a bitch in heat when Ake merely shows up in a thread?

We have enough "wrecking crew" Brit-centered thread fuck-fests here without subverting discussion about America's most prominent sociopath.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Oct 16 - 11:30 AM

"Wind and sea power" of course - bloody keyboard
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Oct 16 - 10:59 AM

"If that had happened Syria would now be Libya, Russia and America "
Assad was at the height of massacring his own people
It would have been an act of humanity to stop him doing so.
To suggest that the Arab Spring would only bring changes for the worse is to condemn those living under the regime we count as our friends (Assad included) to eternal oppression.
Had we coupled active support for Arab Spring with the winning of the hears and minds of the people, Isis would have remained a weird isolated sect - instead, we chose to pursue our own interests and sell weapons and equipment to the oppressive regimes - that is why the protests turned sour - Isis was the result.
Even after his own establishment men fled from Syria and begged Britain to exert economic and political pressure on Assad, Britain turned a deaf-ear and did s.f.a. - he still owns untouched millions worth of property in London.
If we continue supporting these monsters, we'll be bringing our grandchildren home in body-bags.
Defeating Isis is totally useless without a back-up plan.
"we must stop the search for ever increasing living standards and personal financial aspiration"
Nothing to do with an economic system based on profiteering from the Planet's natural resources, of course.
All the fault of Joe Public.
My, my, my - you really are an establishment 'cap-doffer' aren't you?
The planet is being raped for profit by big business - not by the man in the street.
No system of ecological change will ever be adopted while it is profitable to exploit nature - from the use of wing and sea power to the everlasting light bulb.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: akenaton
Date: 11 Oct 16 - 10:36 AM

Jim, the vote in the UK parliament was to bomb the Syrian govt into submission and remove their president.

If that had happened Syria would now be Libya, Russia and America would possibly be at war. Isis would control the whole of Syria, Iraq and Libya.

We should be in unison with Russia in crushing IF wherever it rears its ugly head.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: gillymor
Date: 11 Oct 16 - 10:26 AM

Jim: "...it seems more than a little daft to point the finger at Trump and ignore what has gone before - stable doors and bolting horses, and all that!!"

Who was doing that? What would be daft, given the preponderance of evidence, would to be to elect a president who would ignore global warming and even go as far as to resurrect the coal industry. This is just one item on a long list of issues that disqualify the orange buffoon from becoming POTUS but, to me, it's the most important.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Oct 16 - 10:25 AM

Useful idiots are not a danger by themselves but with Bannon fascists and Russian mobsters by Trumps side the danger/corruption intensifies.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: akenaton
Date: 11 Oct 16 - 10:21 AM

"Climate change" is another bye product of "wealth creation" another symptom of both private and state capitalism.

if we want to halt and perhaps reverse climate change, we must stop the search for ever increasing living standards and personal financial aspiration
Real socialism contains the answers to all these problems, but is it already too late?

Neither Mr Trump or Mrs Clinton will have any effect on the rate of climate change......it is long since out of their hands

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Greg F.
Date: 11 Oct 16 - 10:12 AM

Perhaps the most dangerous thing about Trump

Trump is not dangerous - he's an ignorant narcissistic buffoon.

His followers and supporters are dangerous - and numerous.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Oct 16 - 10:08 AM

By the deficits we may know the talents, by the exceptions we may know the rules, by studying illness we may model good health, by watching the psychopathy we can build mental health , by summing up the fear, lies, hatred, all things deemed failures and disasters we can bring goodness into focus, by the disposable relationships we know true friendships, by what comes out of a person we know what goes in.

By the length of a run on sentence we may know the vehemence.




(A Few of my Worst Things by Donuel.)

Ego and self worth and need for attention
LOVE TO CAUSE ANGUISH with evil intention
Grandiose sense of self worth here on Earth
These are a few things that're worst of the worst

When abuse stings, when a lie clings, when the creep wants more
Donald feels good like he knew that he would
Because psychopath Trump is bored.


Callous and shallow with gold plated showers
feeding his gross whims and snorting for hours
Pretending he's smarter and better than you
With him as your boss you would rather have flu.

When abuse stings, when a lie clings, when the creep wants more
Donald feels good like he knew that he would
Because psychopath Trump is bored.


abridged

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Greg F.
Date: 11 Oct 16 - 10:05 AM

but the very real threat of a world war

Oh, PLEASE Ake! Get over your monomaniacal anti-Clinton delusions.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Oct 16 - 09:46 AM

We crush Islamic Fundamentalism bu supporting "illegal regime change" in the form the Arab Spring protests took.
The U.N. was made impotent by the Russian/Chinese veto and the fact that the West continue to support "legal" regimes such as Assad and the Saudis have meant that the protesters turned to Isis to fill the gap was both inevitable and predictable.
The terms "legal" and "illegal" are totally irrelevant in States like Syria and Saudi Arabia, given the leader they have got.
Britain voted not to become militarily involved in this conflict, not we are up to our arses in it - on the same side as the despots.
We are feeding future fundamentalism
Surely there is a lesson to be learned there?
I suspect that, given the West's overall attitude to Climate Change, it seems more than a little daft to point the finger at Trump and ignore what has gone before - stable doors and bolting horses, and all that!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: gillymor
Date: 11 Oct 16 - 09:05 AM

"If we don't start taking climate change as our foremost concern, all the rest of humanity's bullshit will be meaningless. Mike"

I quite agree with that.
Perhaps the most dangerous thing about Trump is that he's a climate change denier and lies about it to boot.
From the Huffington Post

Be sure to scroll down and read his tweets.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: mkebenn
Date: 11 Oct 16 - 08:42 AM

I totally disagree with your "biggest problem" premise. If we don't start taking climate change as our foremost concern, all the rest of humanity's bullshit will be meaningless. Mike