BS: Trump again

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: akenaton
Date: 11 Oct 16 - 03:34 AM

The biggest problem facing the world at the moment is Islamic Fundamentalism, removing president Assad from power will ensure Syria goes the way of all the other interventions with which Mrs Clinton has been deeply involved....Is there anyone here who disagrees with that?

The defeat of IS cannot be achieved without the involvement of Iran, Russia and the Syrian govt. That is a fact that most serious commentators accept.
Mrs Clinton is basically a Neo Con who has said that she is dedicated to regime change in Syria, as she was in Iraq and Libya.

As a socialist, I would never in a million years have voted for someone with Mr Trumps ideas on running the economy, but the very real threat of a world war over a discredited ideology like illegal regime change should make even the most blinkered ideologues of Mudcat pause for thought.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: gillymor
Date: 10 Oct 16 - 10:01 PM

I'm a gorilla lover and I agree with your assessment, Mac. I came face to face with a silverback mountain gorilla in Rwanda in 2005 and he seemed to have a far more imposing intellect than Donald.

Last night he kept looming up behind Ms. Clinton like a thug and I imagine that in light of his groping remark in the Access Hollywood video women viewers all across the nation were cringing. It's showing up in the polls.   

Florida voters will have at least until Wednesday to register to vote. A federal judge overruled our jackass governor (Rick Scott scored big with the GOP by reducing early voting days in 2012 here for no other reason than that it benefits Democratic voters) who refused to extend the registration deadline due to Hurricane Matthew and the subsequent flooding and evacuations. There's to be a hearing tomorrow that might extend it further.

Article here

From the artlcle:

"It has been suggested that the issue of extending the voter registration deadline is about politics. Poppycock," Walker wrote. "This case is about the right of aspiring eligible voters to register and to have their votes counted. Nothing could be more fundamental to our democracy."

Article here

So if you live in Florida and haven't registered to vote better shake a leg.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Oct 16 - 09:50 PM

Of course he's a narcissistic psychopath, Kevin - was in the beginning, is now & ever shall be, Trump (and Trumpist's - who are also largely psychopathic) without end, Amen.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 10 Oct 16 - 09:36 PM

The relevant thing is that it's what he thinks. It may well be true, at least at this tine, but that's another matter. Even if it weren't true, he'd think it. I don't know whether he fits the criteria to be diagnosed as a psycopath - I suspect he well might - but that kind of belief in being invulnerable is a characteristic of psycopathy.

Here is a checklist of psycopathic qualities ( the Hare Psychopathy Checklist Revised, or Hare PCL-R.) A lot of it these to fit remarkably well with what we have seen of Trump

Glibness/superficial charm

Grandiose sense of self-worth

Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom

Pathological lying

Conning/manipulative

Lack of remorse or guilt

Shallow affect

Callous/lack of empathy

Parasitic lifestyle

Poor behavioral control

Promiscuous sexual behavior

Early behavior problems

Lack of realistic, long-term goals

Impulsivity

Irresponsibility

Failure to accept responsibility for own actions

Many short-term marital relationships -

Juvenile delinquency

Revocation of conditional release

Criminal versatility

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Oct 16 - 09:18 PM

he thinks get can get away with anything

Its not something he THINKS, Kevin, its a fact - as the millions of morons and worse who still love him at this point in time clearly demonstrates.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 10 Oct 16 - 07:23 PM

Nigel Farage's support isn't necessarily entirely helpful to Trump. He commented that Trump in the debate prowling around made him think of a silverback gorilla.

That was presented as a compliment, but I think any gorilla lover would call it a libel on gorillas.

Looking at that "debate" the thing that stood out for me was not so much the stuff that was said, it was Trump's body language. It was the stuff of nightmares the way he lurched around leaning menacingly over Hillary as she ignored him. It was like something out of a horror movie. His constant gurning made things worse. He doesn't even make any effort to avoid looking like a monster - as he said in that tape, and he's said in public speaking, he thinks get can get away with anything. I'm reminded of the way Jimmy Savile said the same thing, boasting of his invulnerability and in a way daring the world to recognise what he was, secure in the knowledge it wouldn't dare to join up the dots.

I too get frightened at the thought of President Clinton moving into action to sort out Syria with American military might. But the thought of President Trump and what he might decide to do is even scarier. Nothing he says gives any reliable hint of what he might do. I seriously think he is literally unhinged.

I just hope that the situation in Syria might have moved on to a stage where adventurism isn't an option by the time Hillary gets to run things.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Oct 16 - 05:43 PM

As none of the accusations against Clinton were ever proved and the majority simply thrown out of court, I hope the Clintons will file defamation suits PLUS initiating a criminal suit for conspiracy including the women, Trump, and Trump's handlers.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: DMcG
Date: 10 Oct 16 - 05:39 PM

I worry a bit about the women who had that press conference with Trump before the meeting. If any money changed hands they will suffer greatly, and Teump will brush it off. And I am sure lots of press are examining waste bins and having drinks with their friends trying to find that out. Even if no money changed hands, there could be libel changes to face after the votes are in. Then at least one had a payment as part of an agreement not to pursue charges. She may be in breach of that agreement. All in all, these women could find they have drawn very short straws. And they are entirely dependant on the Clintons deciding pursuing such actions would do more harm than good.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Oct 16 - 05:28 PM

No, Ake is whipping a dead fallacy (or fallacies), as he has been since the outset.

Anything which frightens the political establishment must be good for America

Said like a true fascist. (or simply an idiot) Seig Trump! Seig Trump!! Seig Trump!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: frogprince
Date: 10 Oct 16 - 05:27 PM

And, available for viewing just now: videos of Trump, at the time of Bill Clinton's sex debacle, 1: expressing sympathy for what Hillary was subjected to, and 2: demeaning the women who brought accusations against Bill. Ya can't make this stuff up...

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: gillymor
Date: 10 Oct 16 - 05:23 PM

You're whipping a dead horse, Ake.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: akenaton
Date: 10 Oct 16 - 05:18 PM

I think the actions of the Republican establishment will be of benefit to Mr Trump in the country.
The Republican establishment hate him even more than the equally corrupt Democrats do.

Anything which frightens the political establishment must be good for America.   Mr Farage engineered a famous victory overran out of touch establishment, Mr Trump can do the same.

It is imperative for world peace that Mrs Clinton is defeated and that has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that she is female.

Neither should that fact influence how people vote........policies, especially foreign policy are especially important at this time.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Oct 16 - 05:14 PM

his followers, if he still has any

He has, ans will have, millions. Be afraid, be very afraid......

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: gillymor
Date: 10 Oct 16 - 05:01 PM

Poor old Donald, Paul Ryan bailed on him today. When it rains it pours.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Mrrzy
Date: 10 Oct 16 - 05:01 PM

I'm also wondering what his followers, if he still has any, will do when he loses. Obama should have the National Guard on alert.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: DMcG
Date: 10 Oct 16 - 04:51 PM

I would add that as far as we can tell from the recording, he was not reacting to other people making remarks like that, he was initiating them.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Oct 16 - 04:50 PM

such intercourse does go on in all types of society

Ake, see 08 Oct 16 - 01:06 PM . And tell your story walking.

Cockroaches On Parade

Scroll down to "Trump Twitter Loved It" by Zeynep Tufekci

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: DMcG
Date: 10 Oct 16 - 04:46 PM

Of course I don't think it's acceptable D and I never converse in that manner, but such intercourse does go on in all types of society and politicians seem to be drawn to that sort of thing....I and I suppose you, have heard it many times.

Quite so, Ake. You are free to hear such things and as a sentient and free person can choose not to follow suit. As can I.

As could Donald Trump, but he chose to demean women instead. And as I repeat, it is no sort of excuse to say other people do it.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Oct 16 - 04:33 PM

To me the most salient point in the debate was Mr Trump's statement that both parties are corrupt

Once more, your delusional false equivalence.

Ake, tell your story walking. And get over your monomaniacal anti-Clinton delusions.

Trump's "because you'd be in jail" line was totally without support, but I think it pleased his supporters.

Yep, Joe, the cockroaches - who inhabit a fact-free dimension- love him.

Just wait till he loses & the cockroaches take to the streets.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: akenaton
Date: 10 Oct 16 - 04:28 PM

Of course I don't think it's acceptable D and I never converse in that manner, but such intercourse does go on in all types of society and politicians seem to be drawn to that sort of thing....I and I suppose you, have heard it many times.

Is Acme's description of Mr Trump so much different? Would it have been acceptable if directed at a woman?

President Clinton actually engaged in the sexual abuse of young interns, he was supported by Mrs Clinton who verbally attacked the victims   THAT is different.

In saying that many of our best politicians have been sexually, or rather, morally flawed.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Oct 16 - 04:27 PM

Shits of a feather flock together:

""Nigel Farage, interim leader of the UK Independence Party, was also in the spin room to defend Trump and attack Clinton as a threat to democracy. "If you value democracy and if you value being in control of your own destiny then you have to reject Hillary Clinton's ideas. Simple," said Farage.""


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/10/debate-donald-trump-threatens-to-jail-hillary-clinton

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: DMcG
Date: 10 Oct 16 - 02:55 PM

Just one question then, ake. Do you think it acceptable to talk about women that way when you are in the locker room?


I don't, so saying "it is just locker room talk" doesn't cut a lot of ice with me.

Of course? I have no vote either way.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: akenaton
Date: 10 Oct 16 - 08:37 AM

"Pussygate" appears to have been addressed to the satisfaction of the debate audience. Perhaps a bit more concentration on foreign affairs would be more germane, as world war three is a distinct possibility if Mrs Clinton wins the presidency.
Her stance of removing President Assad at ALL COSTS is extremely short sighted even for her.

Mr Red, you are right once more. I listened to the whole debate as it happened and I remarked to my son this morning that I heard definite echo's of Mr Farage in Mr Trumps delivery.
Another performance like last night may just be enough to tip the balance.
To me the most salient point in the debate was Mr Trump's statement that both parties are corrupt ....Democrat and Republicans.....and there is no chance of change while the Two Party system has control.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Mr Red
Date: 10 Oct 16 - 06:37 AM

A friend once described this latest Trumpgate type scenario, succinctly.

"No one corrects them, they are too valuable to disagree with them"

Well, IMNSHO, there is a huge correction going on, but Trump is too focussed on himself to take much notice.

Learn from the UK and maybe Austria. Just because Trump isn't going to win, doesn't mean you can be re-assured. Shit happens.

Don't forget - Nigel Farrage has been advising Trump. Be afraid!

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Joe Offer
Date: 10 Oct 16 - 04:37 AM

I think Hillary handled the matter of Trump's Access Hollywood sex-talk video just right. She took the high road, and spoke of it as just one thing on a long list. It was fun to watch Trump squirm when he talked about the video.

Trump's "because you'd be in jail" line was totally without support, but I think it pleased his supporters.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Oct 16 - 11:24 PM

The man is a life-size dick walking around without a condom over his head.

DeNiro said it.

"If you care about your future, vote for it."

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Oct 16 - 08:11 PM

Thank's Donuel - and THANK YOU ROBERT! that sums it up pretty succinctly.

But I'm still worried about the millions of cockroaches.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Oct 16 - 07:50 PM

GREG this one is for you

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Oct 16 - 06:51 PM

The battle of little big hands is about to begin aka 2nd debate,
and may be known in the future as Cusswords last stand.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Oct 16 - 04:31 PM

And then I give you Rudy Giuliani - who is - tho its hard to credit - an even slimier piece of shit than Trump hisself.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: gillymor
Date: 09 Oct 16 - 01:24 PM

A lot of these gutless Republican politicians who are jumping ship on Trump (why now and why not the very first day of his campaign when he characterized Mexicans as rapists and murderers when any decent person would have repudiated him) are turning toward Mike Pence who is about as extreme a right winger as you will find. He makes Ted Cruz look like Ted Kennedy.
Guardian article here

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: mkebenn
Date: 09 Oct 16 - 12:46 PM

Greg, I love the image of millions of pissed off cockroachs!

Check out you tube.. he's still here/trump Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Oct 16 - 12:00 PM

You're right, Steve. Trump is too stupid to see how attractive older women are.

Like BWL, I am worried about his followers. They may have said "Mitt who?" in 2012 but his supporters in the House declared they would work single-mindedly to block everything that Obama wanted and in 2008 declared they would try to make him a one term president. They were pretty effective with that first part. Mindlessly banding together to subvert the legislative process, regardless of merit, simply because they wanted to send a message to an uppity Black man who was elected to the highest office. Anyone set the odds they'll try to do the same thing to the uppity woman who is elected to the highest office?

Fingers crossed the "down ballot" elections clear out some more of the Tea Party riffraff. (About 1/3 of them have already picked up their balls and headed home because being a politician is hard work, it isn't much fun, and they didn't know what the fuck they were doing.)

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 09 Oct 16 - 11:19 AM

I've said all along he doesn't want to win, he wants to make a ton of money running. Seems like he's right on track.

I am officially no longer worried that he might win.

Whether he wants to win isn't the issue, unless he actually pulls out. Or resigns after being elected, as happened with Ukip last week.

The big danger is that if everyone starts seeing him as dead in the water, and stays home or votes Green or something, he could still get elected. It doesn't matter how few people vote for him, so long as Hillary doesn't get the votes to beat him.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Oct 16 - 10:31 AM

We are left asking

what did people expect?

The Trump SS (shit show) never fails
to entertain.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Oct 16 - 07:49 AM

Well at least you ladies over 35 know now that you can sleep safely in your beds at night. 😂

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Oct 16 - 08:50 PM

Tender is the foot of civility as it limps through the land of tweets.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 08 Oct 16 - 08:38 PM

I also am no longer worried that Trump may win.

But I'm still worried about what his supporters are going to do when he loses. The day after the 2012 election, even his supporters were already saying, "Mitt who?" Don't bet on that happening this time around. There are too many hot-heads among loyal Trumpers.

And I'm worried about the longer term effects of his candidacy and its implicit message that outward expressions of intolerance, even hostility, are acceptable and bear no consequences. The Trump message and style are logical extensions of the lack of civility already inherent in Internet chat rooms and unscripted television. Trump has made it part of politics as well.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Jack Campin
Date: 08 Oct 16 - 06:59 PM

Meanwhile in Nottingham (England)...

pub urinal

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Mrrzy
Date: 08 Oct 16 - 06:42 PM

I've said all along he doesn't want to win, he wants to make a ton of money running. Seems like he's right on track.

I am officially no longer worried that he might win.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Oct 16 - 03:41 PM

You want a diagnosis?

He has little or no empathy just like a social psychopath.
He objectifies the people around him like a social psychopath.
He lies without self knowledge like a social psychopath
Is he a narcissist?
That is the least of it.

I diagnosed organic brain disease in Reagan on TV 6 years before his admission. I was not invited back.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: meself
Date: 08 Oct 16 - 03:32 PM

Okay, apart from the politics and the misogyny - does anyone else find Donald Trump's manner of speech seriously weird? The way he puts words together makes this whole thing so much creepier ....

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Oct 16 - 02:46 PM

Will he no come back again
aaaaaaaawill he no come back again
Oh so well, loved was he
Will he no come back again.


Meanwhile the Hillary Oct surprises by WikiLeaks are yawn worthy.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Oct 16 - 01:36 PM

Quite a few people around here don't, gillymor, and one's even called Billy.

Moving swiftly on...

What is it with these "famous" people that makes them feel so invulnerable?? They're living in a bubble. I've been a bloke who's indulged in a bit Iof locker-room banter in my time but none of my mates would ever have put up with anyone else talking about women in that manner. The fact that he thinks it's ok to do it betrays a massive character defect. We saw it with Rolf Harris and Jimmy Savile, arrogant to a fault, and the behaviour simply shows that he's not fit to be let loose in a fish and chip shop, let alone the White House.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: gillymor
Date: 08 Oct 16 - 01:06 PM

"But Billy did it too"
Most people get past that excuse by the 3rd or 4th grade.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Oct 16 - 01:01 PM

Ake, tell your story walking. And get over your monomaniacal anti-Clinton delusions.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Oct 16 - 01:00 PM

That's the thing to do - obfuscate when your candidate has been caught being as smarmy as possible:

Blame everyone else.

Suggest that talking about it doesn't have any correlation to his actions.

Keep it up, Ake. See how far you get.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: akenaton
Date: 08 Oct 16 - 12:34 PM

Only in America could talking about it be deemed worse than actually doing it.   Have you forgotten Bill Clintons cigar butts or the Kennedy's serial womanising?....I don't think it made them worse presidents.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: gillymor
Date: 08 Oct 16 - 10:27 AM

Maybe he can go back to reality TV. Some desperate cable channel might go for "Celebrity Apprentice Groper".

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Oct 16 - 10:17 AM

Eggs-zackerly.