BS: UK General election December 12 2019

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 27 Nov 19 - 02:43 AM

For the same of balance the BBC should now get Owen Jones to interview the greased albino piglet :-)

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 27 Nov 19 - 02:39 AM

Henceforth Compo will be known as car crash Corbyn, the man who would be pm, to be consigned to te dustbin of history..

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 27 Nov 19 - 01:12 AM

Mirvis, Neil, no surprises...
..and even worse to be expected as deperate tory dirty tricks intensify.....

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: The Sandman
Date: 26 Nov 19 - 05:44 PM

i thought Corbyn dealt wth a hostile aggressive interviewer very well

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 26 Nov 19 - 05:42 PM

”Neil is so rabid and so extreme, and so hopelessly biased that I cannot comprehend my a supposedly reputable broadcaster aiming for balance would employ him.”

Why do you assume that the BBC is a ‘reputable broadcaster aiming for balance’, when all the evidence is that they are the Official Mouthpiece of the Conservative Party?

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 26 Nov 19 - 05:34 PM

Neil is so rabid and so extreme, and so hopelessly biased that I cannot comprehend my a supposedly reputable broadcaster aiming for balance would employ him.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 26 Nov 19 - 05:20 PM

Well let us see how much dignity compo has post Dec 12th. More like Dignitas I suspect!

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Nov 19 - 04:53 PM

Yes he did, David. Dignity retained, unlike Neil, who was positively rabid. And the two posts previous to yours demonstrate beautifully how the public can be deluded by a populist right-wing media puppet who cares nothing for shedding light but everything for trying to trash their adversary at all costs. The interview was totally pointless.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 26 Nov 19 - 04:40 PM

Corbyn dealt with Neil extremely well. I don't think being continually interupted constitutes a car crash by any means. Neil tried to trap him into apologising for something there is no evidence for, and he, reasonably politely, declined.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Stanron
Date: 26 Nov 19 - 04:28 PM

Steve Shaw wrote: Neil's brief was clearly to stop Corbyn from speaking for more than four seconds

Four seconds of not answering the question.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 26 Nov 19 - 04:23 PM

What did he expect - the bloke from the next allotment asking about his sprouts?

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Nov 19 - 04:18 PM

The car crash was organised. Neil's brief was clearly to stop Corbyn from speaking for more than four seconds. No topic seen as a Tory weakness was allowed. No NHS, no social care, no schools, no social justice. Let's not forget who Neil is. Tory researcher. Tory adviser to Thatcher (he told her to nationalise and deregulate like mad). Murdoch acolyte and editor of the Sunday Times for over ten years. Worked for Sky at its outset, Fox, the Daily Mail and the Barclay brothers. HIV/Aids denier. Climate change denier. The BBC is supposed to be neutral. The fact that it can even begin to consider employing this charlatan is a bloody disgrace.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 26 Nov 19 - 04:05 PM

Looks like magic grandad has joined the dementors and will be consigned to Azkaban. A far better destination for him than No 10!

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 26 Nov 19 - 03:10 PM

A quote from a Jewish author on another forum - not sure about giving his identity away, so you’ll just have to take my word for it that this quote is absolutely verbatim...

”Has the Chief Rabbi expressed concern over Boris Johnson's time as editor of the Spectator, when he was editing the raving antisemite Taki? Has he commented on Johnson's silence over Rees-Mogg's antisemitic jibes (calling Letwin one of the 'illuminati', and using the Soros slur) ,retweeting a tweet from the Alternative für Deutschland, , hanging out with the far-right Traditional Britain Group? Or Johnson's congratulations of the election of Orban in Hungary - someone who again uses the Soros trope in order to flag up hostility to Jews?”

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 26 Nov 19 - 02:59 PM

Neil takes no prisoners.
Absolute car crash of interview.
Predictable....but I can see no way back from that.

We'll have to see what he does to Boris.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 26 Nov 19 - 01:59 PM

" Signed a petition to have the Charity Commission remove charitable status from the Campaign Against Anti-Semitism"

That sounds nasty doesn't it? But you can"t always judge organisations by their name.
The priority of that one is trying to shut down criticism of Israel, and in a Sky News interview a spokesman advocated "weaponising" antisemitism as the way to get rid of Corbyn from public life.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 26 Nov 19 - 01:54 PM

It's tory supporting puffed up spiteful little pricks like Mirvis
who could almost put me off proudly identifying with my own Jewish DNA family roots...

He must surely know how much he contributes towards stirring up anti Jewish resentment,
in our worsening divisive polarised political milieu...

What a nasty little man...???

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 26 Nov 19 - 01:48 PM

WE do check for ourselves...

That's why we can see through the hostile strategic attacks on Labour...

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 26 Nov 19 - 12:55 PM

Hardly smears! Irrefutable facts!
Check for yourself.


https://order-order.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Mainstream-AS-release-final.pdf

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 26 Nov 19 - 11:20 AM

Well anyway, I guess it’s fair to say that what’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander...

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 26 Nov 19 - 09:31 AM

Such a shame that the Liar-in-Chief and his bunch have so little to offer in the way of policies that they feel the need to resort to smears.

But, when smears are all you have, I guess needs must...

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Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 26 Nov 19 - 08:23 AM

Magic grandad one hour late for school today. I guess he did not want the photo opportunity below. The truth hurts!


https://order-order.com/2019/11/26/labour-empty-chair-corbyn/

Guido on the ball, as usual!

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 26 Nov 19 - 08:11 AM

‘Ephesians Mir is’??

WTAF.? Bloody sodding predictive text? EPHRAIM MIRVIS!

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 26 Nov 19 - 08:03 AM

And a response by Julia Bard, well worth reading, and making far more sense than Ephesians Mir is’ s nonsense...

”Chief Rabbi Ephraim Mirvis, who claims without any basis, to speak for British Jews, has attacked the Labour Party yet again. Using terminology that has historically been associated with extreme right-wing politics, he claims that "a new poison" has taken hold of the party.
This General Election is a two-way fight. To attack Labour is to promote a Tory Party that has formal links with far right, openly antisemitic, anti-Islamic, anti-Roma and anti-refugee groups and parties in Europe, such as the Polish Law & Justice Party, Victor Orbán in Hungary, the Sweden Democrats and others.
Our own Conservative party is led by a person who unashamedly and unapologetically uses racist and homophobic language. He has referred to black people as "piccanninies with water melon smiles", to Muslim women as resembling "letter boxes" and "bank robbers". He has ridiculed gay men as "bum boys in tank tops". And the Tory Party in government has inflicted untold suffering through the Hostile Environment and the Windrush scandal.
Mirvis is not a neutral commentator: he is a close friend of the previous Conservative Prime Minister, who he invited for dinner with her husband the night before she took office.
He has not been elected by anyone. He represents one branch of religious Judaism. He does not speak for Jews who are more religious, less religious or not religious at all. Rabbis are supposed to be teachers and moral leaders. This one seems to have gone badly astray.“

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 26 Nov 19 - 07:59 AM

Apart from that Labour must emphasise how they are going to right the wrongs of the last ten years. Plenty of meat on that bone...

Here is a starter for 10!
Britain’s Chief Rabbi has taken the unprecedented step of describing Corbyn as not fit for high office.
Naturally, Corbynites have responded by calling Mirvis a supporter of Netanyahu, a Boris supporting Tory and a Mossad agent. Even worse, they accuse the chief Rabbi of being “a Zionist”!
and

The largest single donor to Milani’s ‘Make History and Banish Boris Johnson’ GoFundMe page is a woman by the name of Hilary Wise. Readers may remember Wise, who has donated hundreds of pounds to Milani, as the activist who ranted on stage at Labour conference about anti-Semitism claims being smears orchestrated by the Israeli embassy:

Wise has also:

    Signed a petition to expel Labour Friends of Israel from the party
    Signed a petition to disaffiliate the Jewish Labour Movement from      the party
    Signed a petition to have the Charity Commission remove charitable status from the Campaign Against Anti-Semitism
    Claimed Israel releases hyenas in the Jordan Valley to attack Palestinian communities

Milani keeps trying to say he is a reformed character and has moved past his 9/11 truther, pro-armed struggle, anti-Jewish antics.
Will he return the donations?

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: bobad
Date: 26 Nov 19 - 07:58 AM

Labour is currently unveiling a number of proposed measures in its "race and faith manifesto", including:

    Changing the law to include attacks on places of worship as a specific aggravated offence

    Working with social media firms to combat the rise of anti-Semitism online

    An independent review into the threat of far-right extremism and how to tackle it*

    Reviewing the national curriculum to ensure it teaches about racism, anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, xenophobia and black history, and to continue education about the Holocaust

    Ensuring coroners services meet the needs of faith communities, with "out of hours" services to ensure quick burials when required, allowing some Jewish and Muslim families to bury loved ones in accordance with their religious practice



*Note the absence of an independent review into the threat of far-left extremism and how to tackle it........any guesses as to why?

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 26 Nov 19 - 07:57 AM

Noam Chomsky’s opinion of the Tories’ ‘Anti-semitism’ smear campaigns.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 26 Nov 19 - 07:49 AM

And 300

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 26 Nov 19 - 07:48 AM

On the subject of ‘50,000 extra nurses’, here’s HIGNFY’s view on it. :-)

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Nov 19 - 07:33 AM

And I hate to say it, but I have a feeling that the great British public aren't as interested in antisemitism as some of Corbyn's detractors would like to believe. Anyway, Labour should continue to go high. Obviously, the biggest potential Tory weakness is the obnoxious character of their leader and that needs to be a focus. Apart from that Labour must emphasise how they are going to right the wrongs of the last ten years. Plenty of meat on that bone...

Barefaced lie about "50,000 nurses" duly noted...

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 26 Nov 19 - 07:30 AM

Call him a backwoodsman if you wish, Steve! FWIW, I wear the epithet, ‘Backwoodsman’, as a Badge of Honour after one of the vilest, nastiest people ever to infect this forum used it in a failed attempt to insult and provoke me. I actually live in a very nice, very civilised part of the country!

In the meantime, and back to the real issues of the election, here’s Emily Maitlis speaking the truth about the ‘Get Brexit Done’ horse-shit.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: DMcG
Date: 26 Nov 19 - 07:13 AM

I am not sure if the Conservatives will find this a helpful intervention by the Rabbi and the Archbishop. Their core strategy is to keep an intense focus on Brexit and this diverts attention away from it. If that is not enough the Muslim community has used to comment on the Tories' weakness on Islamophobia. Then some, like Lord Dobbs, are saying that the Rabbi has gone too far. It all distracts from the only thing Johnson's team really want to talk about.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Nov 19 - 06:50 AM

I note that the hallowed chief rabbi is opposed to women rabbis and same-sex marriage. Do you mind if I call him a backwoodsman, Backwoodsman? :-) He's also a big mate of Welby. Funny, innit, that Justin came out with his anti-Corbyn nonsense just after the chief rabbi came out with his. The phone lines must've been buzzing yesterday... These men of the cloth need to wrap the cloth round their bloody mouths during election campaigns, in m'humble.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 26 Nov 19 - 06:40 AM

There is something very unpleasant going on here when people of religion appear to be ganging up in a very partial way during an election campaign against the one party that is actually being seen to be tackling a discrimination problem within its ranks.


Magic grandad is a thoroughly nasty piece of work unsuited to high office. He leads a party undergoing an official enquiry into antisemitism,
He encourages candidates such as:
Labour’s Ruislip, Northwood and Pinner candidate Peymana Assad is in hot water after social media posts surfaced of her saying she would “100% take up arms against the [Afghan] government and its allies” which at the time included the US and the UK. Now Jewish people are questioning an oddly worded tweet from Peymana, which talks about a “10 lost tribes of Israel joke” and a man who “got gassed”.
She has now deleted her Facebook account, you have to wonder why?

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 26 Nov 19 - 06:33 AM

I have mentioned that before, John! Glad it's not just me.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 26 Nov 19 - 06:21 AM

Is it just my imagination, or has our political arena been turned into something akin to the Final of ‘Strictly Come Dancing’?

My wife was recently offered a good job in Rotterdam but, due to wider-family responsibilities, we decided that it wasn’t feasible at the present time. How I wish now that we’d decided to go for it...

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Nov 19 - 05:34 AM

It isn't just the far-right chief rabbi. Justin Welby has joined the chorus, as has Julia Neuberger and a senior rabbi in Maidenhead (who has written to all 823 families in his congregation asking them to vote against Labour whatever they do).

There is something very unpleasant going on here when people of religion appear to be ganging up in a very partial way during an election campaign against the one party that is actually being seen to be tackling a discrimination problem within its ranks. There are over half a million of us and the finger of antisemitism has been pointed at fewer than one tenth of one percent of us. I don't think Labour should respond to this by indulging in mudslinging whataboutery, but let me just say that it would be good if these prayerful Tory hypocrites would pause to reflect on the fact that, by dissing Labour (specifically Corbyn, again whom it seems that any smear will do), they are heightening the chances of the country being led by an incompetent serial liar and Trumpist who is at the top of a party riddled with racism and Islamophobia. Attacking the one and not the other in an election campaign is an abuse of their platforms (don't get me started on that...) and it certainly goes against the supposed word of the God they love to invoke.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: DMcG
Date: 26 Nov 19 - 05:08 AM

it is not really about whether Corbyn is fit to be leader. It is, given the choice between Corbyn and Johnson, which is better.

in Johnson, we have a man who has resisted all attempts to constrain his power, and has written into his manifesto that he wants to reduce the power of the Lords, the courts and individual citizens to hold him to account, and in many cases move powers from Parliament his personally appointed ministers.

Were I Jewish, I would find that a cause for concern.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 26 Nov 19 - 03:52 AM

And a reminder to the disenfranchised and left-behind about who it was that broke this nation...

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 26 Nov 19 - 03:47 AM

I see the Chief Rabbi - a close personal friend of The Liar-In-Chief, Johnson - has decided to stick his oar in this morning.

Perhaps, instead of getting his knickers in a twist about a few people’s hurt feelings, he should be directing his bile at those who allowed the Grenfell Tower to be clad in highly-inflammable materials, or whose austerity has caused an estimated 120,000 unnecessary deaths during their term in office.

We keep hearing about ‘Russian interference’ in our political processes, but we should be equally concerned about Israeli interference.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 26 Nov 19 - 02:57 AM

I think if I was a Tory candidate the last thing I would want to do is try to point out any other parties faults With austerity, trashing of the NHS and a serial liar as leader to name but 3 that party has enough faults of its own.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: DMcG
Date: 25 Nov 19 - 04:59 PM

Thanks, MacGrath. You are quite right: I admit to a degree of sloppiness when I referred to the vote for Brexit. Of course, there was not actually any such thing: it was a vote for Leave. Referring to it as a vote for Brexit is bringing a whole mass of assumptions into it that have no right to be there.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 25 Nov 19 - 04:35 PM

The vote in 2016 was on the form of words on the ballot - to leave the EU or not. Nothing about any of the other things peole might have had in their heads that led them to vote either way. Nothing about immigration or single market or customs unions.

Talk about what degree of "hardness" is or is not compatible with "Bexit" is irrelevant. We didn't vote about "Brexit', just on leaving the EU, which is a political structure that has only existed since the Maastricht Treaty, long after we'd been linked into what became the EU. So it's quite right to say that the "softest" departure from the polittical structure of EU, without disturbing Any of the other links we have built up with its members, is perfectly compatible with the referendum result.
...........

If I'd had any difficulty in deciding which way to vote, the promise in the Labour Manifesto to give so long delayed justice to the Chagos Islanders would swing it for me.
If the name doesn't ring a bell, read this summary of the snameful episode. And of its if anything more shameful sequel, lasting till today.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: peteglasgow
Date: 25 Nov 19 - 02:18 PM

the partick thistle manager has just announced he will be signing 20 new players in the january transfer window. great - hope they are loads better than the 20 players we currently have

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: DMcG
Date: 25 Nov 19 - 01:22 PM

It seems Johnson has raised the question whether New Zealand is closer to China than Wales. That is be no means as straightforward as you might think. By air it may well be closer. But the most likely common product in which Wales and New Zealand compete is lamb, and that is typically sent by ship, not air. Which means the ships either have to go through the Panama, which is expensive, or round South America, which is expensive and takes a long time. Either puts Wales at a competitive disadvantage.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 25 Nov 19 - 01:05 PM

No doubt in a few more weeks we will discover what the electorate thinks of all the posturing. But a confused message from labour will simple continue to haemorrhage former supporters to more worthy causes.
The polls are meaningless until we are at the eve of the election,and even then, unless the polls widen, prediction is uncertain.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: DMcG
Date: 25 Nov 19 - 12:34 PM

I would add that if Johnson is to be trusted (ahem!) Brexit will be 'done' by Jan 31st, 2020. That leaves something like 4years 11 months of other stuff. Brexit is important, certainly, but so is the roughly 98.3% of the rest of the Parliamentary period.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 25 Nov 19 - 12:26 PM

No, Baby-Staines, Labour’s policies and ‘positions’ are a matter for Labour. The Tories need to concentrate on their own Rizla-thin manifesto. Writing to Labour demanding to know what their policy is on anything is simply a diversion from the paucity of their own policies.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 25 Nov 19 - 11:56 AM

It is hardly deflection to ask Labour what their brexit policy is. After all the main driver for the election is the question of brexit.
It seems very reasonable to ask kama sutra corbyn to clarify his many positions on brexit.

below is a link to his new battle wagon, titled The Prime Ditherer
(From Guido, of course)
https://order-order.com/2019/11/25/tories-new-election-poster-unveiled/

With Labour it musr be remembered, when reading their manifesto:

“A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.” Thomas Jefferson

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 25 Nov 19 - 11:35 AM

Deflection - the standard Tory-weasel tactic.

They’d do far better, and do their voters a far bigger favour, by writing to Johnson asking him to stop putting them in the difficult and embarrassing position of having to defend his shameless, bare-faced lies when they meet members of the public during their campaign.

The Official Conservative Mouthpiece - the BBC - is having to apologise for aiding and abetting him in his non-stop deceit...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-laughing-question-time-video-edited-general-election-a9217141.html?