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Lyr Req: Beer, Beer, Beer / Charlie Mopps

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Beer, Beer, Beer (Charlie Mopps)
Charlie Mopps


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Subject: beer,beer,beer
From: GUEST,Per Axel Hisdal
Date: 18 Jul 00 - 08:42 AM

Anyone have the lyrics of beer,beer,beer, preformed by the Dubliners or/and the Rovers??


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: beer,beer,beer ^^
From: GUEST,Mrr
Date: 18 Jul 00 - 09:51 AM

I have it by The Clancy Brothers and Tommy Makem. I ws *shocked, shocked* to find it missing from the Trad. Here is what I remember:

Beer, beer, beer, tiddly beer, beer, beer
A long time ago, way back in history
When all there was to drink was nothing but cups o'tea
Along came a man by the name of Charlie Mopps
And he invented a wonderful drink and he made it out of hops.

(Chorus) He might have been an admiral, a sultan, or a king
And to his praises we shall always sing
Ah, look what he has done for us, he's filled us up with cheer
Our Lord bless Charlie Mopps, the man who invented beer, beer, beer, tiddly beer, beer beer.

A bushel of (...?), a barrel of (...?), you stir it around with a stick
The sort of lubrication to make your engine tick
So come on all ye lucky lads, 11 o'clock she stops
5 short seconds, remember Charlie Mopps
One, two, three, four, five!
(Chorus)

The Jury's Pub, the Clancy's Bar, the hole in the wall as well
One thing you can be sure of, it's Charlie's beer they sell
40 pints of wallop a day will keep away the packs
It's only 8 and 1/8 a pint, and one-and-6 in tax
(Chorus)

Anyone can fill in the holes? Correct what I've been hearing? ^^


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: beer,beer,beer
From: Ringer
Date: 18 Jul 00 - 09:58 AM

Oddly enough, I posted this in a recent thread on beer (a fortnight or three weeks ago?). I didn't know it was CB&TM, I thought it was music hall.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: beer,beer,beer
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 18 Jul 00 - 01:14 PM

That would be  HERE.  I too have always believed the song to come from the Halls, and I still do; the Clanceys recorded the song years ago and may have altered the text and tune a bit (enough to claim a copyright, perhaps) but I really don't think that it's Irish; the tune is typically music hall.  Anyone who has the booklet that came with The Tale of Ale may be able to help with more information; all I could find on the web were references to recordings of "Irish" drinking songs, most of which were actually English or Scots...

Malcolm


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: beer,beer,beer
From: SeanM
Date: 19 Jul 00 - 12:39 PM

From the Clancy's version posted above, I'd always heard the lyrics as:

The Furey's Bar, The Clancy's Pub
The Hole in the Wall as well

Always seemed like a moderately subtle way to include one's mates along in a song...

M


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: beer,beer,beer
From: MMario
Date: 19 Jul 00 - 12:43 PM

Pyrates Royale do a lovely lively version of this


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: beer,beer,beer
From: Ringer
Date: 19 Jul 00 - 01:05 PM

Thanks for the link, Malcolm. Never could do the blue cliquey thing.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: beer,beer,beer
From: Mrrzy
Date: 20 Jul 00 - 12:24 AM

Oh, I don't think the Clancys&TM claimed (c), I just meant that's whose version I had. Thanks for the blicky to the other thread, it was fun; I still can't stand beer, despite years and years of concerted effort to learn to get past the taste. Luckily (if you want to look at it that way) I do like liquor, so at least I'm not no fun at all. Not that I have anything against teetotalling, I just wouldn't do it by choice. Not as a lifetime choice, anyway.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: beer,beer,beer
From: The Lighthouse
Date: 20 Jul 00 - 12:19 PM

Actually The Clancy's did this on an album called "Flowers in the Valley" after Tommy Makem had left the group. They redid it later with Robbie O'Connell. The only Clancy CD version I know is on a compilation of drinking songs by them and the Dubliners.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: beer,beer,beer
From: SeanM
Date: 20 Jul 00 - 06:23 PM

I've got that Clancys version too. Friend of mine has a copy on another CD that he found, but the bastard moved away before I could get the name to procure a copy...

M


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Subject: Lyr Add: BEER, BEER, BEER
From: Joe Offer
Date: 20 Jul 00 - 07:37 PM

Here are the lyrics Bald Eagle posted in the "BS: Beer" thread. Would somebody like to put them all together into a definitive version of the lyrics that can be added to the database? Is it just hops that gets repeated, or is it the last word of every stanza, or what? For that matter, is the title of Bald Eagle's lyrics "Beer, Beer, Beer?
-Joe Offer-
A long time ago, way back in history,
When all they had to drink was nothing but cups of tea,
Along came a bloke by the name of Charlie Mopps,
And he invented a wonderful drink and he made it out of hops (hops hops hops hops, etc).

Chorus:
He ought to have been an Admiral, a Sultan or a King
And to his praises we shall always sing.
Look what he has done for us: he's filled us with good cheer.
God bless Charlie Mopps, the man who invented beer.

Here in Chesterfield [substitute your own locale] we drink beer a lot.
Down Whittington Moor [ditto] on a Saturday night, the pace gets rather hot.
We'll drink a half, or sometimes two, it's cool and fresh and clear:
God bless Charlie Mopps, the man who invented beer.

Chorus

The Admiral, the Connaught, the Hole in the Wall as well;
No matter what their name is, it's Charlie's beer they sell.
So come along, my lively lads, at eleven o'clock they stop:
For five short seconds, remember Charlie Mopps. (One... two... three, four, five)

Chorus

Music-hall, I presume, though I've only ever heard it from the singing of the late, great Dick Rendall, one time Squire of Manchester Morris Men. And I don't even know its official title.^^
(from Bald Eagle)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: beer,beer,beer
From: Melbert
Date: 21 Jul 00 - 05:05 PM

It's also on the album "Down the Hatch" by Cyril Tawney.

Sleeve credits identify it only as "traditional"


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: beer,beer,beer
From: Snuffy
Date: 24 Jul 00 - 08:34 PM

A fellow Shakespeare Morris Man has a photocopy he took from a library book, where the song is called "Charlie Mopps", with no attribution whatever. I'll try and get hold of it and see how that comapares with the words posted.


Wassail! V


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Subject: Lyr Add: BEER, BEER, BEER / CHARLIE MOPPS ^^
From: Joe Offer
Date: 07 Aug 00 - 02:33 PM

Here's a composite I made from the lyrics posted by Mrrzy and Bald Eagle, along with a bit here and there from Jerry Silverman's 62 Outrageous Songs. I'll send the tune to Mudcat MIDIs.
-Joe Offer-

BEER, BEER, BEER (CHARLIE MOPPS)

A long time ago, way back in history,
When all they had to drink was nothing but cups of tea,
Along came a bloke by the name of Charlie Mopps,
And he invented a wonderful drink and he made it out of hops (hops hops hops hops, etc).

Chorus:
He ought to have been an Admiral, a Sultan or a King
And to his praises we shall always sing.
Look what he has done for us: he's filled us with good cheer.
God bless Charlie Mopps, the man who invented beer. (beer, beer, beer, diddley, beer, beer beer)

Here in Chesterfield [substitute your own locale] we drink beer a lot.
Down Whittington Moor [ditto] on a Saturday night, the pace gets rather hot.
We'll drink a half, or sometimes two, it's cool and fresh and clear:
God bless Charlie Mopps, the man who invented beer.
Chorus

The Admiral, the Connaught, the Hole in the Wall as well;
No matter what their name is, it's Charlie's beer they sell.
So come along, my lively lads, at eleven o'clock they stop:
For five short seconds, remember Charlie Mopps. (One... two... three, four, five)
Chorus

A bushel of hops, a barrel of malt, you stir it around with a stick
The sort of lubrication to make your engine tick
40 pints of wallop a day will keep away the quacks
It's only fourpence ha'penny a pint and a shilling and tuppence in tax
(Chorus)

Music-hall, I presume, though I've only ever heard it from the singing of the late, great Dick Rendall, one time Squire of Manchester Morris Men. And I don't even know its official title.

(Bald Eagle)
(Mrrzzy)

^^


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Subject: Tune Add: BEER, BEER, BEER / CHARLIE MOPPS
From: Joe Offer
Date: 07 Aug 00 - 02:34 PM

ABC format:

X:1
T:Charlie Mopps
M:6/8
Q:1/4=120
K:D
A5G|F3F2F|F5F|F2FE2D|A,5d|d2dd2d|d3A3|BBAG2F|
E5A|d3d2d|d3A2A|B2Gd2B|A5F|A2AAAA|AAAAAG|
F2FF2E|D21/8||


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: beer,beer,beer
From: Alan of Australia
Date: 31 Aug 00 - 06:00 AM

G'day,
Thanks to Joe the tune for "Beer, Beer, Beer (Charlie Mopps)" can be found here at the Mudcat MIDI site.

Cheers,
Alan


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: beer,beer,beer
From: Dani
Date: 14 Oct 03 - 03:45 PM

Refreshing my mind on some lyrics for the Getaway, I see that the Clancy Brothers credit "E.Winter", along with themselves.


Dani


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: beer,beer,beer
From: GUEST,Chicago tinker
Date: 15 Oct 03 - 12:16 PM

As for the holes in the given lyrics from the Clancy version, I believe the recipe is "a bushel of malt, a barrel of hops, you stir it around with a stick."


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: beer,beer,beer
From: Susanne (skw)
Date: 17 Oct 03 - 02:30 PM

Eric Winter was active on the folk scene in those days (I have two albums for which he wrote the sleevenotes), but I never heard of him as a songwriter. Help, anyone?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: beer,beer,beer
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Apr 04 - 08:10 AM

chuj


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: beer,beer,beer
From: Fergie
Date: 03 Apr 04 - 09:32 AM

I was of the opinion that this was an Australian song. It is included as one of the songs in the Australian Musical "Reedy River"
Fergus


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Beer, Beer, Beer (Charlie Mopps)
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 03 Apr 04 - 10:51 AM

G'day Fergus,

If the song does not appear in the Reedy River Song Book (at least, not any of the editions put out by the David Millis & John Meredith for the New Theatre).

It may appear in other companies' production (eg - London production) ... but the Australian appearance of the song comes from the Bush Music Club's Singabout magzine, vo. 3, no. 3, p.7, Winter/Spring 1959, where it is credited as collected from the chief refrigeration engineer of the SS Tekoa in 1953 by Redd Sullivan.

We considered it an English song (the SS Tekoa was English ... ?). Admittedley, by the 1960s Poms were saying they had never heard the song ... but they weren't on the SS Tekoa!

Regards,

Bob Bolton


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Beer, Beer, Beer (Charlie Mopps)
From: Amos
Date: 03 Apr 04 - 11:15 AM

This song is NOT to be confused with the one about Beer, Beer, Beer in the Quartermaster's Corps, I take it.

A


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Beer, Beer, Beer (Charlie Mopps)
From: Little Robyn
Date: 03 Apr 04 - 04:38 PM

Frank Fife, an Aussie import to NZ, used to sing it regularly at the Balladeer coffee bar in the 60s. His words were a little different as I recall but we always joined in lustily....
"So come along me lucky lads, at 10 o'clock she stops,
For 5 short seconds remember Charlie Mops
A-1, a-2, a-3,4,5,
Well, he ought to be an admiral...."

Our records suggest it might have something to do with John Forman, the Broadside King.
Robyn


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Subject: Lyr Add: CHARLIE MOPPS
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Apr 04 - 11:49 PM

Here's a different version. Most definitely music hall with the five second pause referred to by Robyn.

Charlie Mopps.

A long time ago way back in history,
When all they had to drink was nothing but cups of tea,
Along came a man and by the name of Charlie Mopps,
And he invented a wonderful drink and he gave it the name of hops.

Ch:         Oh he should have been an emperor a Sultan or a King,
And all his praises ever shall we sing,
Oh look at what he's done for us, he's filled our hearts with cheer,
God bless Charlie Mopps the man who invented beer.

Phil.

When beer was first invented it was very very dear,
Fancy paying a chaser for a glorious glass of beer,
People of the day were foolish so they say,
They used to chew the hops and throw the beer away.

You can talk about inventors of today being up to date,
Our animated pictures and our photographs so great,
But the greatest inventor of them all, to me is plain and clear,
It's Charlie Mopps the man who invented beer.

The day that Charlie died he came to Heaven's gate,
He said to St Peter now tell me how I rate,
Saint Peter looked at him and said now who the Hell are you,
He said I'm Charlie Mopps, Saint Peter said straight through.

At the Central Imperial the Riverside as well,
One thing you can be sure it's Charlie's beer they sell,
So come on all you lucky lads at ten-o-clock she stops,
For five short seconds remember Charlie Mopps


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Beer, Beer, Beer (Charlie Mopps)
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 04 Apr 04 - 06:40 AM

G'day GUEST,

Do you have any details on this particular version? It has extra verses we, in Australia, always took to be English (in fact, some were sent to Singabout Magazine by English subscribers ... but we were of the opinion that your fourth verse (The day that Charlie died ...) was written by one of our members.

As the song seems to have bounced about between countries (common enough, when sailors were involved) it may be that the extra verse fed back to wherever you may be.

Regards,

Bob


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Beer, Beer, Beer (Charlie Mopps)
From: greg stephens
Date: 04 Apr 04 - 11:15 AM

Eric Winter edited "The Challenge Songbook"(not sure of the date, but it cost me half a crown) in which "Charley Mopps" appeared. In that, he credits it to Redd Sullivan collecting off the chief refrigeration officer of the SS Takoa in 1953, as mentioned earlier. The Challenge Sonbook was a young Communist type of publication.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Beer, Beer, Beer (Charlie Mopps)
From: Fergie
Date: 11 Apr 04 - 09:18 PM

G'day
Today I found my copy of REEDY RIVER by Dick Diamond an LP recorded at the Thomas Mann Theatre by the AMWSU, featuring the New Theatre 1979 Cast. The songs are listed as follows;
1


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Beer, Beer, Beer (Charlie Mopps)
From: Fergie
Date: 11 Apr 04 - 09:56 PM

I dont know what happened there my message got launched with no imput from this end.

1. Click Go the Shears
2. By the Eumerella Shore
3. Reedy River
4. Reedy Lagoon
5. Old Bullock Dray
6. My Old Black billy
7. Lime Juice Tub
8. Wake Up Landlord
9. Wild Rover No More
10. Charlie Mopps
11. The Ballad of 1891
12. Lazy Harry's - The Road to Gundagai
13. The Ryebuck Shearer
14. Widgeegoweera Joe
15. Click Goes The Shears
16. Springtime it Brings on the Shearing
17. Banks of the Condamine
18. Four Little Johnny Cakes
19. Lachlan Tigers
20. Finale

This is the source of my belief that the Charlie Mopps is an Australian Traditional song.

I had a very minor backstage contribution to this production, as a member of the AMWSU and the then Young Socialist League I became involved in setchanging and stagehand work. I was a young migrant worker to Australia at the time and the experience gave me a good introduction to the modern Australian tradition and fostered in me a deep affection for Australian folk and bushmusic.
Fergus


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Beer, Beer, Beer (Charlie Mopps)
From: GUEST,Eric Barret..
Date: 11 Apr 04 - 11:00 PM

I heard this last week from Pat Cooksey in Coventry, totallly
different words, I think he wrote them himself, really funnuy
and in German at the end.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Beer, Beer, Beer (Charlie Mopps)
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Apr 04 - 12:09 AM

A bushel of malt, a barrel o hops...


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Beer, Beer, Beer (Charlie Mopps)
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 21 Apr 04 - 02:06 AM

G'day Fergie,

I see that your recording is from the 1979 Sydney production of Reedy River ... the recording I was checking was from the 1954 Sydney production ... which did not use the song Charlie Mopps. As we (the Bush Music Club) published the song in 1959, it's entirely possible that the 1979 production decided to used the song (the script does not specify which songs are in the play) on the suggestion of one of the many Bush Music Club members involved in that production ... or, simply because the song had become so popular.

(The BMC had a copyright run-in with our recording company after recording the song on a 1964 LP - The Club would not claim copyright, despite prompting to make such a claim by the record company's A & R men ... and, some time late, a 'pop' version appeared ... with copyright claimed by the same A & R men! We protested - and they withdrew their 'claim'.)

It is interesting that Eric Winter's The Challenge Songbook also cites the collection of the song by Redd Sullivan, from the chief refrigeration officer of the SS Tekoa in 1953. I must reread our entry on the song ... it may be that publication in our Singabout magazine drew on other primary sources ... or that The Challenge Songbook drew on us ... who knows? (I'll try to find out!)

BTW: Joe Offer - I remember the: "A bushel of hops... shilling and tuppence in tax" stanza as having: "Shame! Shame! Shame!" chanted after it (and before the standard chorus) in much the same way that "1,2,3-4-5" follows the "... ten o'clock she stops." stanza.


Regards,

Bob Bolton


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Beer, Beer, Beer (Charlie Mopps)
From: Steve Parkes
Date: 21 Apr 04 - 04:14 AM

Bill Cotton used to do it in the fifties: for "nothing but cups of tea" he had "cups of Rosy Lee". When I first heard it, the pub names lines went "At the [name of the pub you're in] on a [day of week] night there's one thing you can tell/One thing you can be sure of, it's Charlie's brew they sell"

Steve


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Beer, Beer, Beer (Charlie Mopps)
From: GUEST,Pete S
Date: 08 Jul 04 - 01:55 PM

Oh a long time ago, in darkest historee
When all we had to drink was nothing but cups of tea
Along came a fellow,name of Charlie Mopps,
Invented a drink, a hell of a stink, made from malt and hops.

Ohh, he    ought a' been a Admiral, a Sultan or a King
And to his praises we shall always sing
Look what 'e 'as done for us - he's filled us up wi' cheer
Lord bless Charlie Mopps, the Man Who Invented Beer,beer,beer,
B-b-b-Beer, beer, beer
Well.............Etc etc.

THis is the start - and all I can remember - of what John Wheeler used to sing at Dundee University in the early 70's.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Beer, Beer, Beer (Charlie Mopps)
From: Billy Weeks
Date: 09 Jul 04 - 06:04 AM

It sounds music hally, but I'm pretty sure it isn't. Classic music hall material (because of the activities of licensing and watch committees) rarely includes the name of God other than in sticky sentimental songs. My guess is that this is 1930s or later and probably originated with a Young Communist League song writer. I seem to remember it appearing in an early issue of 'Sing' magazine, but can't for the moment lay my hand on the copy.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Beer, Beer, Beer (Charlie Mopps)
From: Billy the Bus
Date: 11 Jul 04 - 09:09 AM

G'day,

Thanks for reviving the thread Pete S, I'd missed it, and the song brings back many fond memories.

Robyn - I;ve just emptied my pipe into a heavy brown earthenwarer ashtray - one of a pair Frank gave me the night the Balladeer closed. Remember them? Pre-1967 Frank used to sing ".. at 6 o'clock she stops" - remember the 'swill'? Warwick Brock (Rest his soul) persisted in ending the chorus..

.... he filled us all with bliss,
... Charlie Mopps - the man who invented P***!


I think most of the verses Frank sang are enshrined in the later postings, and like you, I assume he brought them Trans-Tasman. Which leads to a question for...

Bob Bolton - In a post above there was a mention of one F Winter in association with one of the Clancey versions. That would be Frank Winter, would it not? Frank Fyfe learned many of his somgs from him, if I recall right. Anyway.... on to...

Redd Sullivan - What a Man!!! Ihe version I recall him singing many times, at Curly d'el Monte's Poles Apart in Auckland was akin to the one above...

I'll leave it here - too many thoughts curdling my brain cell.

Cheers - Sam (drinking whisky)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Beer, Beer, Beer (Charlie Mopps)
From: sapper82
Date: 11 Jul 04 - 09:32 AM

MANY MANY years ago, way back in the early '60s, my sister had a Swedish pen pal with whom she exchanged records. One of those she received was by someone called Hans "Hasse" Burman with "Balladen om Charlie Mopp" on one side!!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Beer, Beer, Beer (Charlie Mopps)
From: Folkiedave
Date: 11 Jul 04 - 09:42 AM

And to Susanne who asked about Eric Winter as a songwriter......

In the Oak Publications "New English Broadsides" edited by Nathan Joseph and Eric WInter, he is credited with 6 songs of which he wrote the words of "Comealllye and Goback agai" with Stan Kelly; Ditto for "Four Ponds a Day"; the music for "The Hunters" words by Terry Gould; ditto for "I'll tell you where to put it if you like" words by ALex COmfort; ditto for "They let Delgado Die", music by Maurice Rosenbaum; and finally he is credited with "The Jolly Farmer" as Tradiotnal words and music adapted by Eric Winter.

Seems like he was adapter, songwriter and music writer.

Best regards,

Dave Eyre
www.collectorsfolk.co.uk


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Beer, Beer, Beer (Charlie Mopps)
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 11 Jul 04 - 09:50 AM

G'day,

Bill Weeks: I'm sure the song never appeared on the British "legitimate" stage ... it would never get past the Lord Chancellor (or whoever issued imprimatur for acceptable stage fare. However, someone might argue that really classic music hall material was what happened, in the early part of the 1800s, before it went "legitimate" ... when a bunch of Cockneys would rent a shop front and turn it into a "music hall" ... until authority descended on them - and they scarpered with the takings and a rent bill (if not a bill for repairing the unauthorised "renovations"!).

However, it probably comes out of the left end of working class ... and, obviously with the Redd Sullivan connection, the merchant marine (and maybe a Navy one too: " ... ought to be an Admiral ... &c ... ". The merchant marine connection certainly explains it turning up all round the world (even sapper82's Swedish "Balladen om Charlie Mopp"!

Sam: You are probably right ... and better placed than I am to speculate!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Beer, Beer, Beer (Charlie Mopps)
From: Billy the Bus
Date: 11 Jul 04 - 10:22 AM

Mumble....

Let's look at his name! Did Charley "Mop the Deck"?

Cheers - Sam


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Beer, Beer, Beer (Charlie Mopps)
From: GUEST,Barrie Roberts
Date: 11 Jul 04 - 11:08 AM

The late Eric Winter was quite q prolific songwriter, but sometimes amazingly shy about the product of his muse. For example, he wrote 'The Flowers of Manchester' to mourn the Manchester United crash in 1958, but published it anonymously. He also wrote the song that chills the blood of folkclub organisers === 'The Night That Nobody Came'.

More to the 'Charlie Mopps' point, Eric also loved adding verses to things. The one that sticks in my memory is a new last verse to 'John McCafferty':

So all you swaddies take advice from me,
Treat your arms drill a lot more seriously,
For if you do you might find that
You'll hit the bastard you were aiming at!

So it aint impossible that he added to somebody's version of 'Charlie Mopps', which, incidentally, I learned off aforementioned Redd Sullivan. Eric Winter wrote a handsome obituary for Redd in The Independent, which was followed up by The Guardian and The Times, no less.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Beer, Beer, Beer (Charlie Mopps)
From: Little Robyn
Date: 12 Jul 04 - 03:22 AM

Sam, Frank Winter is more likely to have learned it from Frank Fyfe, not the other way around.
I think Frank Fyfe had mags or song books from the Bush Music Club and I'm pretty sure that's where he found it, and lots of others too.


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Subject: Lyr Add: BEER BEER BEER (from The Pogues)
From: GUEST,Pogues Fan
Date: 23 Aug 04 - 11:26 PM

The Irish Punk Band The Pogues Sing This Song With The Lyrics:

1 2 3 Beer Beer Beer tiddly Beer Beer Beer.

A long time ago, beginning of history
When all there was to drink was nothing but cups of tea
Along came a man by the name of Charlie Mopps
And he invented a wonderful drink and he made it out of hopps

Chorus:
He'd like to have been an admiral, a sultan, or a king
And to his praises we shall always sing
Look what he has done for us, he's filled us up with cheer
The Lord bless Charlie Mopps,
the man who invented beer beer beer beer tidilly beer beer beer.


The Purest Bar, Fanciest, this hole in the wall as well
One thing you can be sure of, it's Charlie's beer they sell
So come on all you lucky lads, eleven o'clock she stops
Five drop seconds remember Charlie Mopps

chorus

A bushel of malt, a barrell of hopps, he stirs it with a stick
The kind of lubrication that'll make your engine tick
Forty pints a wallop a day to keep away the cracks
It's only eight seventy a pint, with one o six in tax


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Subject: Lyr Add: BEER, BEER, BEER (CHARLIE MOPPS)
From: GUEST,Eric D.
Date: 22 Oct 04 - 06:41 PM

I don't know who sang it, but here's how I heard it:

One! Two! Three!
Beer, beer, beer, diddley, beer, beer, beer!

A long time ago, way back in history,
When all they had to drink was nothing but cups of tea,
Along came a lad by the name of Charlie Mopps,
And he invented a wonderful drink and he made it out of hops.

CHORUS: He must have been an admiral, a sultan or a king,
And to his praises we shall always sing.
Look what he has done for us: he's filled us all with cheer.
God bless Charlie Mopps, the man who invented beer.
(Beer, beer, beer, diddley, beer, beer, beer.)

The (your location), (another location), the Hole in the Wall as well;
One thing you can be sure of, it's Charlie's beer they sell.
So come along, my lively lads, at eleven o'clock they stop:
For five short seconds, remember Charlie Mopps.
(One... Two... Three, four, five) CHORUS

A bushel of malt, a barrel of hops, you stir it around with a stick:
The sort of lubrication to make your engine tick.
40 pints of wallop a day will keep away the quacks.
It's only 8 and 1/8 a pint, and one-and-6 in tax.
(One... Two... Three, four, five) (chorus)

Diddley, beer, beer, beer
And long live Charlie Mopps!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Beer, Beer, Beer (Charlie Mopps)
From: GUEST,Imafish2005@aol.com
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 09:36 PM

Might anyone have a mp3 of Beer, Beer, Beer?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Beer, Beer, Beer (Charlie Mopps)
From: GUEST,Luiz!!!
Date: 20 Apr 05 - 09:50 AM

I have it, its awesome.

The curious thing is that i first herad this song at a Playstation 2 game, called The Bard´s Tale.
They put some diferent words but its the same song. I learned how to sing but playing.


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Subject: Lyr Add: BEER, BEER, BEER (CHARLIE MOPPS)
From: GUEST,GUEST, Slovenian guy.
Date: 27 Jul 05 - 07:24 AM

I don't know abbaut other wrzions but in a game The BardsTale i heard it like this

Beer, beer, beer, tiddly beer, beer, beer
A long time ago, way back in history
When all there was to drink was nothing but cups o'tea
Along came a man by the name of Charlie Mopps
And he invented a wonderful drink and he made it out of hops. Hey!

He might have been an admiral, a sultan, or a king
And to his praises we shall always sing
look what he has done for us, he's filled us up with cheer
Lord bless Charlie Mopps, the man who invented beer, beer, beer, tiddly beer, beer beer.

The drunken rat, the aken drum, trowen pub as well
One thing you can be sure of, it's Charlie's beer they sell
so all you lads and lasses ant eleven o'clock ye stop
for five short seconnds remember charlie mops. one, two thre four five.... HEY!

He might have been an admiral, a sultan, or a king
And to his praises we shall always sing
look what he has done for us, he's filled us up with cheer
Lord bless Charlie Mopps, the man who invented beer, beer, beer, tiddly beer, beer beer.

a barrel of malt, a bushel of mops, you stir it around with a stick
The sort of lubrication to make your engine tick
40 pints of wallop will keep away the quacks
It's only 8 and 1/8 a pint, and one-and-6 in tax

He might have been an admiral, a sultan, or a king
And to his praises we shall always sing
look what he has done for us, he's filled us up with cheer
Lord bless Charlie Mopps, the man who invented beer, beer, beer, tiddly beer, beer beer.

LORD BLES CHARLIE MOPS!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Beer, Beer, Beer (Charlie Mopps)
From: GUEST,Midnight Runner
Date: 13 Aug 05 - 03:10 PM

Does anyone know gitar cords or tabs for this song?
Cuz it would be very funny to sing along with lads in some kinda pub!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Beer, Beer, Beer (Charlie Mopps)
From: GUEST,Maggie
Date: 21 Sep 05 - 04:49 PM

The Pogues
Beer (Traditional)

1 2 3 Beer Beer Beer tiddly Beer Beer Beer.

A long time ago, way back in history
When all there was to drink was nothing but cups of tea
Along came a man, by the name of Charlie Mopps
And he invented a wonderful drink and he made it out of hopps

(CHORUS)
He might have been an admiral, a sultan, or a king
And to his praises we shall always sing
Look what he has done for us, he's filled us up with cheer
The Lord bless Charlie Mopps,
the man who invented beer beer beer beer tidilly beer beer beer.


The purest bar, the fanciest pub, the hole in the wall as well
One thing you can be sure of, it's Charlie's beer they sell
So come on all me lucky lads, eleven o'clock she stops
Five drop seconds remember Charlie Mopps
1, 2, 3, 4, 5

(CHORUS)
He might have been an admiral, a sultan, or a king
And to his praises we shall always sing
Look what he has done for us, he's filled us up with cheer
The Lord bless Charlie Mopps,
the man who invented beer beer beer beer tidilly beer beer beer.

A bushel of malt, a barrell of hopps, and stir it around with a stick
The sort of lubrication that make your engine tick
Forty pints a wallop a day to keep away the cracks
It's only 8 and 1/8 a pint, and one-and-6 in tax.
1, 2, 3, 4, 5

(CHORUS)
He might have been an admiral, a sultan, or a king
And to his praises we shall always sing
Look what he has done for us, he's filled us up with cheer
The Lord bless Charlie Mopps,
the man who invented beer beer beer beer tidilly beer beer beer.

We'll all miss Charlie Mopps!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Beer, Beer, Beer (Charlie Mopps)
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Sep 05 - 05:07 PM

The Pogues - "Beer, Beer, Beer"

1 2 3 Beer Beer Beer tiddly Beer Beer Beer.

A long time ago, way back in history
When all there was to drink was nothing but cups of tea
Along came a man, by the name of Charlie Mopps
And he invented a wonderful drink and he made it out of hopps

(CHORUS)
He might have been an admiral, a sultan, or a king
And to his praises we shall always sing
Ah look what he has done for us, he's filled us up with cheer
The Lord bless Charlie Mopps,
The man who invented beer beer beer beer tidilly beer beer beer.

The purest bar, the fanciest pub, the hole in the wall as well
Ah one thing you can be sure of, it's Charlie's beer they sell
So come on all me lucky lads, eleven o'clock she stops
For five drop seconds remember Charlie Mopps
1, 2, 3, 4, 5

(CHORUS)
He might have been an admiral, a sultan, or a king
And to his praises we shall always sing
Ah look what he has done for us, he's filled us up with cheer
The Lord bless Charlie Mopps,
the man who invented beer beer beer beer tidilly beer beer beer.

A bushel of malt, a barrell of hopps, and stir it around with a stick
The sort of lubrication that make your engine tick
Ah 40 pints of wallop a day will keep away the quacks
It's only 8 and 1/8 a pint, and one-and-6 in tax.
1, 2, 3, 4, 5

He might have been an admiral, a sultan, or a king
And to his praises we shall always sing
Ah look what he has done for us, he's filled us up with cheer
The Lord bless Charlie Mopps,
the man who invented beer beer beer beer tidilly beer beer beer tidilly beer beer beer
We'll all miss Charlie Mopps!


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