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BS: SCOTLAND??

little john cameron 19 Jul 00 - 06:35 PM
GUEST,Mac of Glencoe 19 Jul 00 - 06:42 PM
Liz the Squeak 19 Jul 00 - 06:42 PM
katlaughing 19 Jul 00 - 06:47 PM
kendall 19 Jul 00 - 06:49 PM
Willie-O 19 Jul 00 - 06:50 PM
Jon Freeman 19 Jul 00 - 06:57 PM
Morticia 19 Jul 00 - 07:14 PM
Bagpuss 19 Jul 00 - 07:16 PM
Lonesome EJ 19 Jul 00 - 07:41 PM
little john cameron 19 Jul 00 - 08:55 PM
mactheturk 19 Jul 00 - 10:34 PM
mactheturk 19 Jul 00 - 10:35 PM
Liz the Squeak 20 Jul 00 - 02:44 AM
Jon Freeman 20 Jul 00 - 02:52 AM
MudGuard 20 Jul 00 - 05:17 AM
Patrish(inactive) 20 Jul 00 - 05:33 AM
Kim C 20 Jul 00 - 05:28 PM
Mary in Kentucky 20 Jul 00 - 06:15 PM
sophocleese 20 Jul 00 - 06:27 PM
CamiSu 20 Jul 00 - 06:31 PM
GUEST 20 Jul 00 - 06:58 PM
Nynia 20 Jul 00 - 07:07 PM
GUEST,Banjo Johnny 21 Jul 00 - 01:39 AM
kendall 21 Jul 00 - 07:40 AM
katlaughing 21 Jul 00 - 08:43 AM
Mbo 21 Jul 00 - 08:48 AM
Rana 21 Jul 00 - 09:06 AM
JulieF 21 Jul 00 - 11:11 AM
little john cameron 21 Jul 00 - 12:02 PM
Drumshanty 21 Jul 00 - 02:09 PM
Nynia 21 Jul 00 - 02:58 PM
Linda Kelly 21 Jul 00 - 05:41 PM
Diva 21 Jul 00 - 05:45 PM
little john cameron 21 Jul 00 - 05:45 PM
katlaughing 21 Jul 00 - 06:42 PM
Morticia 21 Jul 00 - 06:52 PM
katlaughing 21 Jul 00 - 06:56 PM
Mbo 21 Jul 00 - 07:05 PM
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Lonesome EJ 21 Jul 00 - 07:31 PM
GUEST,Trish 21 Jul 00 - 07:59 PM
kendall 21 Jul 00 - 08:22 PM
katlaughing 21 Jul 00 - 10:16 PM
Mary in Kentucky 22 Jul 00 - 12:03 AM
Mbo 22 Jul 00 - 12:10 AM
Mary in Kentucky 22 Jul 00 - 12:13 AM
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Mary in Kentucky 22 Jul 00 - 04:31 PM
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Subject: SCOTLAND??
From: little john cameron
Date: 19 Jul 00 - 06:35 PM

Well pals,first of all i hope you don't mind if i write in Standard English but i wouldn't want to be"misunderstood."

I noticed on the "Where are you" thread, that very few of you are from Scotland or Ireland yet there seems to be a great interest,not only here but on the net in general,in all things pertaining to both countries.Maybe you could tell me why this should be so.Is it the music,the history or the funny way we speak.Maybe,as katlaughing said to me,that you were Scots or Irish in a past life.

Try to enlighten me on the subject please. LJC.


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: GUEST,Mac of Glencoe
Date: 19 Jul 00 - 06:42 PM

Simple..

There's a wee Scot in all of us.


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 19 Jul 00 - 06:42 PM

Well have you heard any good Welsh folk tunes recently? SO did a concert for the London Welsh society and even THEY could only find 6, and three of them were the same....

LTS


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: katlaughing
Date: 19 Jul 00 - 06:47 PM

Later, jlc, after the radio show...I'll post some ideas...glad ta see ya started the thread! Thanks!


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: kendall
Date: 19 Jul 00 - 06:49 PM

I'm half scot and half Irish..half of me wants to drink, and the other half doesn't want to pay. Seriously, it's all those things you mention. The Isle of Skye must be one of the most beautiful places on earth. I love the music of both countries, and the people are just great.


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: Willie-O
Date: 19 Jul 00 - 06:50 PM

Well, my dad came from Glasgow...in 1919 at age five. Like most nations with a lot of emigration, they carried a strong sense of where they were coming from as who they were. I've never been there (yet), but grew up with this knowledge--and gradually realized how Scottish I am in character, musical preferences, politics and so on. Never could resist a good bargain, or a good intellectual argument.

Willie-O


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 19 Jul 00 - 06:57 PM

Liz, Blodau'r Grug is quite a popular collection of Welsh tunes. It can be obtained from >http://www.welshfolkdance.org.uk/grwpiau/aberystwyth/rhb/robinhuwbowen_publ.htm

Jon


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: Morticia
Date: 19 Jul 00 - 07:14 PM

Dear Mac, there is not so a little Scot inside me, he's 100% english, so there!!


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: Bagpuss
Date: 19 Jul 00 - 07:16 PM

I lived in Glasgow for 4 years, and it took them that long to make me an honorary Scot - and admit that Geordies aren't *really* English!

Oh and I married a Scot :-)

Bagpuss


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 19 Jul 00 - 07:41 PM

John, Scotland and Ireland are the headwaters of the stream of Celtic people and music that flowed into places like New England and Apalachia in the 1700's, and Canada and Australia in the 18 and 1900s. Appreciating the music of Scotland and Ireland is key to understanding much of traditional music, especially for those of "Scotch Irish" ancestry, like yours truly.


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: little john cameron
Date: 19 Jul 00 - 08:55 PM

OK Iget the drift,but the thing i find odd is that you guys know more about it than me and i'm Scots.I was just listening to a band on mp3 from Germany and they sounded more Scots than me.I know they speak good English but do they learn to sing the songs phoneticaly>I don't suppose they speak like me!! LJC


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: mactheturk
Date: 19 Jul 00 - 10:34 PM

Ah, youth was the drooth in the sooth o' the mooth
And a dunt wi' a tacketty buit
Noo ah maun licht the leerie, and lukk oot ma peerie
Ah'm no' a' that auld even yit!

......mp


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: mactheturk
Date: 19 Jul 00 - 10:35 PM

Ah, youth was the drooth in the sooth o' the mooth
And a dunt wi' a tacketty buit
Noo ah maun licht the leerie, and lukk oot ma peerie
Ah'm no' a' that auld even yit!

......mp


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 20 Jul 00 - 02:44 AM

Jon, that was the book they gave him to learn the tunes from, there are only three, but they change the titles around!!

Morty, you let that little scot out right now! Can't you see he's only after yer porrige!

LTS


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 20 Jul 00 - 02:52 AM

Which 3 Titles did he do Liz?

Jon


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: MudGuard
Date: 20 Jul 00 - 05:17 AM

It is not a little Scot in us, it is a little Scotch in us!
MudGuard


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: Patrish(inactive)
Date: 20 Jul 00 - 05:33 AM

Both parents are scottish and I lived there for 7 years. The first song I learnt in school was
Katie Bardie had a coo
It was black aboot the moo
But she hasney got it noo
Dance Katie Bardie
We used to learn scottish dancing, I can remember practising pa de bas. Then I moved to england and we didn't learn anything traditionally english. Perhaps the reason people are enamoured with the Scots and Irish is because they have a great tradition that is still taught in schools
Patrish


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: Kim C
Date: 20 Jul 00 - 05:28 PM

Oh but Mr. Cameron, I only came onto this thread so I could hear you talk and here you let me doon!

Me, I'm mostly German, Dutch and French, but my gggggrandmother was a Connoly. I have not been able to find out if her daddy's family was Irish or Scots or both. I'll keep looking.

Don't know why I love Scotland but I'm glad it's there for me to love. I hope to get there one day!


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: Mary in Kentucky
Date: 20 Jul 00 - 06:15 PM

For me it's the Scottish, Irish and English traditional music. Since I was a child, I always dog-eared all my music books to the pages with those tunes. I read somewhere that it is the modal sound in those old tunes. Whatever it is, I could recognize it before I had a name for it. Now I'm listening to dulcimer music, much of it from Appalachia, and I hear that same bagpipe drone that I love. I also love any tune that Ralph Vaughan Williams had anything to do with. Maybe somebody else can better articulate what these tunes all have in common.

As far as ancestry, I was always told that my father's family was Scotch-Irish.

Mary (in Kentucky via Texas & Arkansas)

PS LEJ, You said one time that you were kin to everybody in Rockcastle County...well, you may be kin to my husband by marriage!


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: sophocleese
Date: 20 Jul 00 - 06:27 PM

Some of the tunes are familiar from what my parent sang, (but then again I don't go to church and they sang hymms a lot too). A lot of it is in a language, English, that I know. I sing translations of gaelic if I can as I like to know what I'm singing. LEJ said it well when he mentions the headwaters.


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: CamiSu
Date: 20 Jul 00 - 06:31 PM

With a name of Cameron and of clan Fraser, I'm not to love Scotland? Plus now my daughter attends University at St. Andrews. Truly near and dear. Besides it's some of the best music in the world!

Cami Su


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Jul 00 - 06:58 PM

Taking our first trip there in September, can't wait. My Grandparents are from Cumnock, a town 17 miles east of Ayr.

Anybody know this area?

Thanks, Mac


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: Nynia
Date: 20 Jul 00 - 07:07 PM

Hi Mac, I'm from Dumfries a little further south. Cumnock was a mining town, not much of that around now. High un-employment etc. There is a lot of pretty scenery pretty close by and you will be fairly handy for Glasgow and Edinburgh. What else do you want to know ???


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: GUEST,Banjo Johnny
Date: 21 Jul 00 - 01:39 AM

I just like the snap.


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: kendall
Date: 21 Jul 00 - 07:40 AM

Can one of you tell me if Gaberlunzie still perform?


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: katlaughing
Date: 21 Jul 00 - 08:43 AM

Hey ljc,

Sorry I have come back so late to this thread. All of the above and then some for me. I was born that way, by blood and otherwise: Crawfords, Ralstons, Sutherlands, Ewings, etc. My family teased me about dressing up and going out on the hills behind our house, esp. when it rained (not very often in western Colorado!) and pretending I was tramping around the highlands. I also spoke with the nearest approximation as I could of a highland accent and was asked once by a fourth grade new friend if I was from Scotland.

Until the past 3 years I couldn't listen to the music, esp. the pipes, nor watch footage on tv, without sobbing with a terrible homesickness. There are, in my belief system, past lives which were lived there and which ended sadly and have left their residual melancholy in my heart.

As for us knowing more than you? It seems a common thing sometimes. When we lived in New England for ten years I often had natives tell me we knew more about their region than they dd growing up there. I think it was because we had such a keen interest and were out every weekend, almost, exploring and learning. We used to kid my mom about it, as she always was wanting to "go round the next bend" or "over the next hill." It was all so interesting and new to us, something we'd read about. They were quite used to it. I suppose the same might be said of any of us out here in the wild West...drive by the Oregon Trail or Independence Rock and most days don't give it a second's thought.

Thanks, again, John,

kat


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: Mbo
Date: 21 Jul 00 - 08:48 AM

I just don't get it...I always feel pumped up when I hear the pipes. I pretty sure there's nothing that could be played on the pipes that would make me cry. I must be as dull as a rock.


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: Rana
Date: 21 Jul 00 - 09:06 AM

Kendall,

Gaberlunzie still perform (according to their web page) -

http://www.soft.net.uk/gaber/

Rana


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: JulieF
Date: 21 Jul 00 - 11:11 AM

Hi Nynia

Will be visiting a friend in Dumfries on the way up to Shetland in a couple of weeks. Will give you a wave as I pass. I grew up ( 5-12 anyway) around Castle Douglas ( 20 miles West)

All the best

Julie


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: little john cameron
Date: 21 Jul 00 - 12:02 PM

This is jist wee notie as ah'm aboot tae gang oot fur a hurl on mah pals harley.It's a braw day oot an' we're gaun tae hae a keek at the whales.
Noo Mbo,ye've maist likely been listenin' tae pipe bands so that is probably why it gets yer blood up.The hale idea wis tae get oor anes worked up an' at the same time scare the shit oot o' the enemy.It worked pretty good eh?

The sad stuff is when ye listen tae a solitary piper up in the hills,wi' no' anither sound aboot except the burds,an' he's playin' a pibroch.The sound o' this mournfu' sound echoin' in the hills wid gie anyane the willies.

Ah'm dain this in the dialect fur Kimc .Ah widnae want tae let ye doon. ljc


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: Drumshanty
Date: 21 Jul 00 - 02:09 PM

Kendall

Saw Gaberlunzie last month. They played Saturday night at the Keith Festival. And they were just as good as they were when I saw them 20 years ago!


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: Nynia
Date: 21 Jul 00 - 02:58 PM

Hi Julie F, It's gonna have to be a big wave as I'm living in Dublin just now :-) CD's a fine little town, I hope you enjoy your visit to Shetland.


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: Linda Kelly
Date: 21 Jul 00 - 05:41 PM

at this moment in time I have a fair amount of scotch in me, but not so much Scots. I am however partial to touring the borders and am especially fond of Moffat. I also like Loch Lomond. Gretna Green is however an awful place second only in naffness to Stonehenge.


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: Diva
Date: 21 Jul 00 - 05:45 PM

Good for you, lets hear it for the Borders. Very nice area very scenic and all those Border Ballads too.


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: little john cameron
Date: 21 Jul 00 - 05:45 PM

ICKLE DORRIT,Ah'm awfy gled ye ken the difference between SCOTS an' SCOTCH. LJC


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: katlaughing
Date: 21 Jul 00 - 06:42 PM

Did somebody say Borders? My McNab Border Collie perked up his ears.**BG**


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: Morticia
Date: 21 Jul 00 - 06:52 PM

Mathew, if you'd ever heard one lone piper on the ramparts of Edinburgh Castle on a still summer night, bet you'd well up too. The west coast of Scotland, Arisaig and the Isle of Skye have to be seen to be believed, not too touristy and still retaining some credibility, just lovely.Get there if you can. Kat, come over, I'll drive you up there.


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: katlaughing
Date: 21 Jul 00 - 06:56 PM

You're on, Mortee! Wait a minute...didn't I just say that in another thread???!!!

You'll have to anchor me, 'cause I know when I get over in that part, especially near or on Iona, I will be in another realm entirely! Flashing back...another time....


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: Mbo
Date: 21 Jul 00 - 07:05 PM

I don't know...maybe I'm just not that kind of person. When I hear the lone piper, it gives me a haunting feeling of past defiance, definately NOT tragedy. But then again I'm Italian & German so what do I know after all?

Duncan, lad, blaw the cummers
Play me round the Atholl cummers
A' the din o' a' the drummers
Canna rouse like Atholl cummers
When I'm dowie, wet or weary
Soon my heart grows light and cheery
When I hear the sprightly nummers
O' my dear, my Atholl cummers!

When the fickle lasses vex me
When the cares o' life perplex me
When I'm fley'd wi' frightfu' rumours
Then I lilt o' Atholl cummers
'Tis my cure for a' disasters
Kebbit ewes an' crabbit masters
Drifty nights an' dripping summers
A' my joy is Atholl cummers

Ettrick banks an' braes are bonnie
Yarrow hills as green as onie
But in my heart nae beauty nummers
Wi' my dear, my Atholl cummers
Lomond's beauty nought surpasses
Save Breadalbane's bonnie lasses
But deep within my spirit slummers
Something sweet of Atholl cummers

--James Hogg


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: katlaughing
Date: 21 Jul 00 - 07:08 PM

Mbo, I am not sure how to explain, except that it pierces my heart with a bunch of emotions, from melancholy and sadness to a full feeling of home to some of the defiance you feel to mostly a great and terrible longing to just be there. Hard to explain, I guess.


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: Mbo
Date: 21 Jul 00 - 07:13 PM

Hmm! To quote another Scotsman, Donovan..."Very strange...very very very strange..."

--Matt


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 21 Jul 00 - 07:31 PM

For me, the pipes summon up a call to arms. It seems to me that a group of men marching into battle could easily be influenced to lay down their lives, with the bagpipes calling up what is best and most heroic in their nature. Maybe that is the secret of the tragic aura surrounding the lone piper. Without the stir of drums and battle, the sound of the single bagpipes player seems to mourn what was lost.


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: GUEST,Trish
Date: 21 Jul 00 - 07:59 PM

1) Aye, Gaberlunzie are still oot and aboot on the Scottish Folk scene: we had them in Balerno a few months ago, and they're on at Stirling F.C. on 28th August. 2) I was born in Glasgow, but lived in East Anglia from an early age, lived in Scotland for the last 14 years. Everyone assumes I'm English from the accent, but I don't feel it! 3) Mbo must definately be Scottish if he says definately as only the Scots say definately: the word is definately definitely!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: kendall
Date: 21 Jul 00 - 08:22 PM

Weel noo lassie.. many years ago a friend of mine met and married a Scottish woman. Brought her to this country, but, she didnt last (his fault) she could not get into Bluegrass music, but she liked my folk music. In time they parted, and she went back to Scotland. One day I got a picture post card from her, and it was a shot of the highlands with one lone piper. Well! the shock is still a mystery to me. The damndest feeling of homesickness came over me. I had never been there..not in this life. Since then, I've been back twice. In Fort William I met a piper and asked him to play the Dark Island on his highland pipes..Hog heaven..very moving. So, I think there is something to this past life stuff.


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: katlaughing
Date: 21 Jul 00 - 10:16 PM

That there is, Kendall, I am convinced of it! Mayhap that was you back in......???


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: Mary in Kentucky
Date: 22 Jul 00 - 12:03 AM

To quote LJC:

The sad stuff is when ye listen tae a solitary piper up in the hills,wi' no' anither sound aboot except the burds,an' he's playin' a pibroch.The sound o' this mournfu' sound echoin' in the hills wid gie anyane the willies.

Now my question...What is a pibroch?...and help me here kat, what was that funeral tune in the musical Brigadoon? Seems like it had a name like pibroch or something.

Mary


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: Mbo
Date: 22 Jul 00 - 12:10 AM

Pibroch, or it's proper spelling piobaireachd, is a long technically challenging piece for solo piper. Each is usually associated with a certain family, kinda like a family theme song. There were played to pump up soldiers before battle...

--Mbo


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: Mary in Kentucky
Date: 22 Jul 00 - 12:13 AM

Were they perhaps played at funerals also?


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: Bill D
Date: 22 Jul 00 - 01:25 AM

Mbo....if you can, find a recording of "The Lament for the Children"....not exactly a battle tune

I am Scots-Irish, but the Scots side easily 'feels' like where my soul resides...I have Scotts, Murrays, Armstrongs, Bogles....and when I found single malt Scoth, I KNEW!....

even my wife, who is 2nd generation Italian, says that when she visited Scotland in the late 70s she had this feeling that "I'm home"....(the Scots and Italians seem to have some amazing synergy in a lot of ways)


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: katlaughing
Date: 22 Jul 00 - 01:25 AM

Ewwww... you've got me there, Mary. Ya know Bill Sables usd to live in the village where something to do with Brigadoon happens every certain number of years or some such...ach, I canna remember what the heck he told me aboot that...lol...we'll have to see if we can entice him into this thread...


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: Bill D
Date: 22 Jul 00 - 01:39 AM

theriouthly, I uthally don't lispth when I drink Scoth..


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: Terry K
Date: 22 Jul 00 - 04:02 AM

It's really funny reading all these romantic notions about Scotland - I must have been going to the wrong parts!!

But there's probably no better place on earth for a golfer.

Cheers, Terry


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: little john cameron
Date: 22 Jul 00 - 06:04 AM

piobaireachd---a set of "martial" or"mournful" variations for the highland bagpipes.>br>A widnae say there are too mony fowk can spell it in the"gaidhlig" so we jist use the english.
Ye're richt Terry!it can be a dodgy place but it's awricht if ye walk carefu' an' cairry a big stick. Eain Camsron Aka LJC


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: sledge
Date: 22 Jul 00 - 07:33 AM

I used to live in a village in Scotland called Rhu, the local pub was called the Rhu Inn, geddit?

Most Summer Sunday's, a pipe band would play on the village green. I loved it, visitors loved it, the EX wife hated it.


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 22 Jul 00 - 01:03 PM

My wife and I walked into a pub in Ayreshire, the first pub we had gone to on a trip to Scotland, and it promptly blew all of our Brigadoon fantasies out of the water. Rock and roll was blasting from a juke box at literally a deafening pitch and the place was as thick as a sauna with cigarette smoke. It was full of drunken teenagers, but oddly. it also featured numerous tables of adults and elderly who patiently endured the noxious ambiance of the place, pints in hand, blankly staring into space. God knows how they did it,because we couldn't last 2 minutes in the place.

Sorry, Kat. Just wanted you to know that at least some places in Scotland make a neighborhood bar in Casper Wyoming look like Paradise.


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: Mary in Kentucky
Date: 22 Jul 00 - 04:31 PM

I found my Brigadoon music, and it refers to the funeral music as Traditional Piobrochead. This was my first love of bagpipe music (ya gotta hear this one Mbo...it's really mournful). I assume from the above discussion that there are numerous ones for various families. Does anyone know anything about this one from Brigadoon?

Mary


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: katlaughing
Date: 22 Jul 00 - 04:33 PM

Oh shewah, burst mah bubble, LeeJ!:-

Oh these rose-coloured glasses
That I'm looking through
Show only the beauty....

LOL!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: sophocleese
Date: 22 Jul 00 - 06:02 PM

The pibroch in Brigadoon is Lord Lovat's Lament and then they may go into a dance piece. Lord Lovat's Lament has also been adjusted into a 4/4 tune for marching.


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: Mary in Kentucky
Date: 22 Jul 00 - 08:37 PM

Thanks sophocleese. Now if we can just get Mbo to listen to it here, I'm sure he'll love it.

Mary


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: katlaughing
Date: 22 Jul 00 - 09:41 PM

Mary! Great sight, thank you!


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: little john cameron
Date: 22 Jul 00 - 10:29 PM

Mary, that wis braw !! Funny thing aboot it is that the wan next tae it is LORD BLANTYRE, ah've been lookin' fot that for ages. Must be the Karma eh? Kat. LJC


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: Mary in Kentucky
Date: 22 Jul 00 - 10:57 PM

ahem...uh, John...what does that wis braw mean?


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: Mbo
Date: 22 Jul 00 - 10:58 PM

Translation=That was beautiful.


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: Mary in Kentucky
Date: 22 Jul 00 - 10:59 PM

Ah...thanks.


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: Mbo
Date: 22 Jul 00 - 11:31 PM

Whoa, AWESOME site! Had all my favs, Loch Broom Bay, My Home, Crusader's March, Morag of Dunvegan, Loch Rannoch, Cockney Jocks. Though the North Carolina pipe lullaby Dean Cadalan Samhach was strangely absent. I still don't get it...Lord Lovat's Lament sounded quite happy to me! Wish I could play you the piobaireachd I wrote...*sniff*

--Matt


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: little john cameron
Date: 22 Jul 00 - 11:52 PM

It wis that"Braw" it made mah "Fernitickles" dance.
Howzit yin mbo. ljc


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Jul 00 - 12:15 AM

Does anyone know the tune 'Lament to the Reverend Archie Beaton'? I've heard it done only by a fiddler but judging by the implied skirling in it, it certainly sounds Scots. Haunting.

Ebbie


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: katlaughing
Date: 23 Jul 00 - 01:13 AM

Oh, Ebbie, thanks for asking! I didn't know it, but found a link to a clip by a href=http://www.nataliemacmaster.com/frame-discography-natsown.htm>Natalie MacMaster and it sounds beautiful! Since she does it on fiddle, too, I guess it doesn't answer your question, but maybe someone will recognise it...hmmmmm....maybe ljc will rack up some more karmic brownie points, eh?*BG*

T'anks,

kat


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: GUEST,Fletch
Date: 23 Jul 00 - 01:31 AM

I'm an american, but my parents never let me forget that my temper and stubborness stem from my Irish and Scottish roots. ha-ha. I am always doing research, and am fascinated by the history of my family accross the pond. There is a singer by the name of Mae McKenna. Do you know of her? She is from Scotland, and i love the music, but i can't get it in the States, or order it online right now. To me, it is very relaxing. I am leaning toward the music in Ireland and Scotland. The rhythm is in my Irish Scottish soul, i suppose. -hope that answers it for you. Morgan


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: katlaughing
Date: 23 Jul 00 - 01:58 AM

Oops, sorry, here is that link again: click here

Morgan, welcome to the Mudcat. If you contact Dick Greenhaus, of the Digital Tradition, the folksong database of this site, and owner of Camsco Music, I'll bet he could get you the music you are looking for; or, you might try Sandy and Caroline Paton at Folk Legacy.

kat


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: little john cameron
Date: 23 Jul 00 - 05:08 AM

http://www.mae-mckenna.com/

Try that Morgan ljc


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: Diva
Date: 23 Jul 00 - 05:23 AM

Lord Lovat is also a song......find it on By Yon Castle Wa by Heather Heywood. A wonderful singer and friend. A pat for the Border collie.


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: Mary in Kentucky
Date: 23 Jul 00 - 07:54 AM

Hi Ebbie,

Maybe it's some kind of coincidence, but in my Brigadoon music the notes to, Lord Lovat's Lament, say:

Everyone starts back in horror. Bagpipers appear, followed by Archie Beaton, who is carrying Harry's body.

I don't remember the details to the story, but it appears from these notes that Archie Beaton is the father of Harry Beaton who was killed. I looked at kat's and ljc's links, and it doesn't appear to be the same song.

Mbo... just imagine it done real slowly as a funeral tune. It really is haunting. Course I once heard Ode to Joy played slowly for a funeral, and it was gorgeous.

Mary


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: kendall
Date: 23 Jul 00 - 09:52 AM

Rana, thanks so much for the web site for Grab your undies!! I have been able to contact Gordon for the first time in years..


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: Mbo
Date: 23 Jul 00 - 10:10 AM

Fletch, Mae is very VERY cool! She was the lead vocalist it St.Mungo: A Celtic Suite for Glasgow, by one o' my idols, William Jackson (formerly of Ossian). O my God does she have a beautiful voice!

--Mbo


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: Kim C
Date: 25 Jul 00 - 04:36 PM

I am a little late here 'cause I was out over the weekend, but I just wanted to say, Thank You Mr. Cameron!!!! :)


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: AllisonA(Animaterra)
Date: 25 Jul 00 - 05:15 PM

What isit about Scotland? I've got it, too! were we all there in a past life? Or is it the rootless American again longing for a place whose bones go deep, deep down into the earth. For me it's all of the above, plus my Granny was a Stewart. The pipes stir my blood, the dancing gets me moving, and a laddie in a plaidie is the best sight I can think of!
Ickle Dorrit, I'm glad you liked Loch Lomond, too- 22 years ago when I was last in the UK it was one of the loveliest stops on my rambles.


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: little john cameron
Date: 25 Jul 00 - 07:47 PM

ANIMATERRA,AULD FREEN, YE NEVER SAW A LADDIE IN A PLAIDIE.That is a lassies garb.
Nae problem Kim,ah'll gab wi' ye in the leid ony time.Here's the url fur mah stories if yere interested

http://www.dundee.ukf.net/

weeyin aka ljc


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: AllisonA(Animaterra)
Date: 25 Jul 00 - 07:52 PM

Oh. Sorry!


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: GUEST,PatJoe
Date: 26 Jul 00 - 01:00 PM

Does anyone find it strange that a tune about the son of a second war hero (remember Peter Lawford in The Longest Day) is in the music list for Brigadoon?


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: Kim C
Date: 26 Jul 00 - 01:15 PM

So if the wind blew the bonnie lassie's plaidie awa, was she running around nekkid (as we say in Tennessee)? And was it really the wind, or something more exotic, that caused said plaidie to be misplaced?????

Mr. Cameron, I went to read your story and found it most entertaining. Thanks! I have now bookmarked the page. :)


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: little john cameron
Date: 26 Jul 00 - 02:48 PM

Aye Kim ye have tae read atween the lines.
A Plaidie could be worn by either a man or a wumman but maist often by a wumman. Anither guid sang is "Come under mah Plaidie.It is in the same vein.
Gled ye liked the story.Ah've got the auld ane saved if ye want ah'll email some o' them tae ye.
BTW Whit's wi the Mr Cameron?? JOHN IS FINE.Ah'm no that auld yet. ljc


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: GUEST,Fletch
Date: 27 Jul 00 - 01:06 AM

Thanks everyone for the help in finding about Mae McKenna. I love her music. And John...Welike the name Cameron. haha. Ya'll are lots of fun. I'll come back and visit soon. Thanks again, -Morgan


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: Shanti
Date: 29 Jul 00 - 07:36 PM

I have no ancestral claim to anything Scottish or Irish, but everything to do with either has drawn me like a magnet for as long as I can remember. My completely German father sang Too-Ra-Loo-Ra-Loo-Ra to me at night, and when my German, English and French mother had a chance to go somewhere overseas...she picked the Green Isles. I finally got to see part of Ireland myself (thought not enough of it) in '96, but I haven't been to Scotland, yet. That's my next trip, when I have some money. I'm glad that Scotland and Ireland are there for me to fantacize about, and personally, I LOVE the accents of both places. Could sit and listen to you guys talk for the rest of my life.


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: katlaughing
Date: 29 Jul 00 - 08:54 PM

Shanti, come into HearMe on Sunday night and you will hear some who have the accents live and in person, plus, if you have a microphone and would like to, we could HearYou!

And, I probably couldn't come close to sounding like your da, well...I am female to start with *grin*, but I often sing Too-a-Loo-ra in there as my mom and dad both used to sing me to sleep with it, as well as the Prairie Lullaby.

If you want to know more about HearMe, look for it in the Permathread at the top, MUDCAT FAQS, or go into any HearMe thread and click on the link.If you have any trouble or quesstions, just holler and one of us will try to help.

All the best,

kat


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Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: Shanti
Date: 30 Jul 00 - 08:37 PM

Thanks kat...I'll check it out. Sounds like HearMe is a good place to explore.

No, doubt you'd sound like me da, and you wouldn't want to. He could carry a tune, but that's about it. Did put a lot of heart into it though. He was born in SE MO, of completely German stock. He just loved that lullaby.


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