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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: Barbara Date: 11 Sep 00 - 09:57 AM Say, Snuffy, I haven't started Alison Crowse, and I was working on the same assumption as you: the tune is quite singable. I've got it on a Steeleye Span compilation, and was going to transcribe it from that. Would you be willing to send me what you've got as a MIDI? If so, I'll PM you with my email. Blessings, Barbara |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: MMario Date: 11 Sep 00 - 09:39 AM from snuffy (in the other thread) 1558) HITLER (Has only got one ball...) 1697) I'LL TAKE THE LEGS (From Some Old Table) 1918) JUST A BUG AT TWILIGHT - posted by snuffy to thread 23672 9/10 2535) O'DONNELL ABU (The Clan Connell War Song)- posted by snuffy to thread 23672 2848) THE PUB WITH NO BEER - posted by snuffy to thread 23672 9/10 2955) ROBIN HOOD - posted by snuffy to thread 23672 9/10 3751) WHY OH WHY - posted by snuffy to thread 23672 9/10 3684) WHAT IS JENNIE WEEPING FOR - posted by snuffy to thread 23672 9/10 "no-tune" and "found-tune" files updated as of monday morning september 11. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: John in Brisbane Date: 10 Sep 00 - 08:08 PM If anyone is long on availability and short on materials please send me a PM and I can post you a BMP or TIFF (or can fax you anywhere in the world) - fr'instance 35 or so Lancashire songs. Finding the books and cross searching the DT and Forum is time consuming and getting some notation help would be marvellous. I've ignored (probably) thousands of songs that aren't in the DT at all and have tended to try to close the 'missing tune' gap.
Please give me a yell if you can make some time available. I will be away for the first week of the Olympics and won't have Web access.
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: Snuffy Date: 10 Sep 00 - 07:38 PM Barbara, You've saved me hours of heartache - I'd been working on Alison Gross for nealry a week. I'd got all the right notes, but couldn't get the timing right. It's easy enough to play, but a right sod to notate. Thanks for sparing me. Wassail!V |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 10 Sep 00 - 04:47 PM More midis (to be sent to Alan after the Olympics): MOWING THE BARLEY filename[ MOWBRLY No source named again. The text appears to be the version collected by Cecil Sharp from Miller Spearman at Ile Brewers, Somerset in 1904, so that's the tune it's getting; midi made from the notation in The Crystal Stream (Sharp/Karpeles, 1975). Whoever posted the text forgot to mention that what looks like the second verse is, in fact, the chorus. Sharp changed verse 4 line 4 from "And a handful of gold and silver" to "And a handful of golden money"; the "I" in the DT text is a typo. Also known as Lawyer Lee. THE MOWER filename[ THEMOWER Text transcribed from a record by A.L. Lloyd. I'm not even going to attempt to make a midi by ear from his singing, so I've used what I take to be his source, The Mower, published in his book Folk Song in England (1967, p. 204) and collected by him from an unnamed Dorset singer in 1939. ONE MAN SHALL MOW MY MEADOW filename[ ONEMANMW Presumably transcribed from a record by a band called "Gold Ring". It appears to be the version collected by Cecil Sharp from Mr. Morris of Marston Magna, Somerset, in 1905; in which case, verse 1 line 3 should be: "Two men, one man and one more". Midi made from the notation in The Crystal Stream (Sharp/Karpeles, 1975). From the inclusion of the word "it" in line 2 of each verse, I suspect that "Gold Ring" used the tune Sharp published in 100 English Folk Songs (1916), in which the rhythm was regularised for the parlour or concert singer; I have modified the melody at that point to accommodate the extra word, but otherwise it is as originally noted. Alfred Williams (Folk Songs of the Upper Thames, 1923) gives a text from Kencot in Oxfordshire (Mowing Down the Meadow) and remarks: "Like The Barley Mow, this was often called for at the harvest-homes and other farm feasts." Sharp had also heard it used as a soldiers' marching song. EAT WORMS filename[ EATWORMS A traditional children's song. Midi made from the version I learned in the early 1960s in South London: Nobody loves me, everybody hates me; Think I'll go and eat worms. Short ones, fat ones, long skinny lean ones; See how the little ones squirm. Bite all their heads off (sucking noise) -all the juice out; Throw the skins away. Nobody knows how well we fare On worms three times a day. My tune doesn't really fit the DT text, but I don't care 'cos I prefer it! LAND O' THE LEAL filename[ LANDLEAL Transcribed from a Silly Wizard record. The song was written by Lady Carolina Nairne in 1798, on the occasion of the death of the baby of her friend, Mary Anne Campbell, and circulated privately. By the time it was published -"author unknown"- in 1801, in George Thomson's Select Collection of Original Scottish Airs (vol.II), it had acquired several variant forms. One of these, with the original "John" (the name of Mary's husband) changed to "Jean" (as in the Silly Wizard text), was posthumously attributed to Burns. The DT text is fairly close to the original, though a little cut. The song was first published with the music to which Lady Nairne set it, the traditional Hey tutti taiti (various spellings), in The Scottish Minstrel (vol. III, ed. R.A. Smith, 1824), from which I've made a midi. I've also made a midi of the 3-part arrangement given in that book. Information from Lady Nairne & her Songs, George Henderson (5th. edition, 1908). A traditional version, Be Kind Tae Yer Nainsel', was collected by Rev. James Duncan in Aberdeenshire in the early 20th. century; whether it began as a parody of Lady Nairne's song, or whether she based her piece on an earlier version of it, I do not know. At all events, it was published in The Folk Music Journal (1966) and recorded by Gordeanna McCulloch on Sheath & Knife (Topic Records 12TS370, 1978; recently re-issued on CD). I've just noticed that John in Brisbane posted .abc and miditext of the melody in this thread: Some More Missing Tunes -I shall still send mine, though, as his reading is slightly different. CALLER HERRIN' filename[ CALLRHRN Also written by Lady Nairne, though I don't know who was responsible for the tune. The version given in the DT is the "parlour" arrangement; midi made from the notation in The New National Song Book (Boosey & Hawkes, 1957). The song was written for Nathaniel Gow, the publisher and musician (and son of the famous Niel), who was hard-up at the time. Two verses are omitted from the parlour version: Caller herrin's no got lichtlie, Ye can trip the spring fu' tichtlie, Spite o' tauntin', flauntin', flingin', Gow has set ye a' a-singin'. Neebour wives, now tent my tellin': When the bonnie fish ye're sellin', At ae word be in your dealin'- Truth will stand when a' thing's failin'. PRINCE CHARLIE STUART filename[ CHASTRT Transcribed from a Steeleye Span record, pretty accurately but for the rather eccentric substitution of "toggin" for "tartan". They had the song from Brigid Tunney; I shall be posting her version in a separate thread, but have made a midi of the tune as recorded by Span for sending to Alan. LUDGIN' WI' BIG AGGIE filename[ BIGAGGIE Text transcribed from a record by Robin Hall & Jimmy MacGregor. Midi made from the version in The Scottish Folk Singer (Norman Buchan & Peter Hall, 1973) very slightly modified to fit. Malcolm |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: Barbara Date: 10 Sep 00 - 12:25 PM Actually, kids, the music for Andy's Gone is here posted by John of Brisbane, so rememeber, kiddies, do a forum search before you transcribe your tunes. Blessings, BArbara |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: Barbara Date: 10 Sep 00 - 12:21 PM Shipped 53 All Among the Barley Posted my working on to the list, but will also put here: 17 Across the Blue MOuntains 37 Ain't You Got A Right 58 All the Good Times 66 Alison Gross 79 American Pie 97 Andy's Gone
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: Sorcha Date: 10 Sep 00 - 10:16 AM Send no MIDI's to Alan until after the Olympics--(request from him on another thread)Posting here so all will be sure to see it somewhere. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: Snuffy Date: 10 Sep 00 - 10:05 AM 1336 GODSPEED THE PLOW - MIDITEXT posted to this thread godspeed the plow Wassail! V |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: Sorcha Date: 09 Sep 00 - 08:50 AM That is one reason we are posting them here as soon as we do something with them, Noreen. Attn: all tune finders!! I will be gone all next week, (well, I will be home Tues eve and Wed. day, but no time to look for tunes.) I haven't stopped or given up, just taking a break. When I get back, I will request the up dated list, and plunge in again, but I don't know if I can find anymore. I have exhausted my meager library's resources, and am down to asking friends--Do you have this tune? I have a very few of them on tape or LP, but I can't transcribe from those, or put down what is in my head, so I may be stuck. See ya all after the 17th. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: Noreen Date: 09 Sep 00 - 07:24 AM Oh, Snuffy- and I just e-mailed the tune to MMario last night!! Noreen |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: Snuffy Date: 08 Sep 00 - 08:10 PM 2091 LILY THE PINK 2092 LILY THE PINK (3) I posted an ABC to this thread Lily The Pink
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: Snuffy Date: 08 Sep 00 - 04:39 PM 1265 GAUDETE - several versions posted to this thread Gaudete - Steeleye Span Wassail! V |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: MMario Date: 08 Sep 00 - 02:00 PM "no tune" list and "found tune" list both updated as of NOW. If anyone is interested 'catters have located/relocated/posted approximatly 933 tunes out of the "missing" 3874 |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: Barbara Date: 07 Sep 00 - 07:38 PM Just shipped Alan: 41 Albatross 63 All Used Up Blessings, Barbara |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 07 Sep 00 - 05:04 PM I omitted this link: Seven Wonders |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 07 Sep 00 - 04:54 PM More midis, sent 7th. September: WILLIE O'DOUGLAS DALE filename[ WILDOUG Text from David Buchan (A Book of Scottish Ballads, 1973): this is Child #101, version A. The original source was Mrs. Anna Gordon Brown (1747-1810) of Fife; the tune given is Bronson's conjectural timing based on the original ms. FOUNTAIN FILLED WITH BLOOD filename[ FOUNTINB Tune written or arranged by Lowell Mason, (1830?) variously known as "Cowper", "Cleansing Fountain", etc...midi adapted from two found online. STANDING STONES filename[ STANSTON Version recorded by Peter Kennedy from John & Ethel Findlater of Dounby, Orkney, in 1955. Midi made from Kennedy's transcription in Folk Songs of Britain and Ireland. THE SEASONS ROUND filename[ SEASRND Copper Family version, called by them The Ploughshare. Also known as The Seasons of the Year. Midi made from the transcription in Bob Copper's A Song for Every Season. THE BOATSMAN AND THE TAILOR filename[ BOATTAIL Whoever contributed this text gave no information of any kind as to where it came from. It is, however, identical word-for-word to that collected by Cecil Sharp from Charles Neville at East Coker in 1908, so it seems reasonable to suppose that that is what it is. James Reeves published it in The Idiom of the People (1958); he too gives the text only, but remarks: "In English Folk Songs...Sharp describes the words... as "boisterous and unprintable", and appropriates what he calls "its fine air" to another set of words, The Green Wedding." I have therefore made a midi of that tune as published by Sharp. The DT transcriber also failed to mention, incidentally, that the refrain "To my rally dally da do, rally dally day", is sung twice each time. I AM A ROVER filename[ IMAROVR2 Source named, thankyou! Watersons, from Kidson's Traditional Tunes (1891): I've made a midi from his version (#1), but, since the Watersons had made a number of changes to the melody and its phrasing by the time they recorded it, I felt obliged to make a midi of that, too. WILD GEESE filename[ WGEESE Yet another singer who felt that Carolan's Planxty Irwin was "too singable to be reserved for musicians", and couldn't resist the temptation to do something about it. Oh well; Midi made on the off-chance that there's somebody out there who hasn't heard it 8 million times already... GOING TO BANBURY filename[ GOBANBUR No source mentioned (and whoever typed it up seems not to have known what a codling was), but it's identical to the version Cecil Sharp collected from Sister Emma of Clewer, Berkshire, in 1909. Midi made from his notation (The Crystal Stream,1975). HERRING'S HEAD filename[ HERRHEAD Taken from a book called Irish Songs of the Sea, which I've never come across. What I do have, though, is a version recorded by Peter Kennedy from Seamus Ennis in 1959 (and called The Herring Song), which is very similar indeed textually; I imagine, therefore (optimistically), that the same is true of the tune. Midi made from the notation in Folk Songs of Britain & Ireland. I WONDER WHAT IS KEEPING MY TRUE LOVE TONIGHT filename[ KEEPLOVE No indication whatever as to where this one came from; what a surprise. There don't seem to be many versions in print, though, so I'm going for the one in Kennedy, recorded from Mary McGarvey of Donegal by Seamus Ennis in 1954, and called The Green Grass It Grows Bonny. For the people who like to add to threads "so-and-so [revival singer] has done a wonderful version of this", I'd say that this is where Kate Rusby got her tune from, though possibly at one generation's remove. JOHNNY ARMSTRONG (2) filename[ JARMSTR2 Child #169: text from Allan Ramsay's The Ever Green; the Oxford Book of Ballads couples it with tune no. #356 in The Scots Musical Museum, from which I've made a midi. HIGHLAND BALOU filename[ HIGHBALU Robert Burns again. Midi from notation in BP&S. JUST AS THE TIDE WAS FLOWING filename[ JUSTIDE No source named. This song has only one tune, though, and versions don't vary very much; so, hey, it can have the one given by Kidson in Traditional Tunes, which has a similar (broadside) text. THE KIELDER HUNT filename[ KIELDHNT Willie Scott's version from The Scottish Folksinger: midi made from the tune in the book. LE ROI A FAIT BATTRE TAMBOUR filename[ LEROIFAI Presumably transcribed from a record, with consequent spelling mistakes! I am not familiar with Anne Sylvestre or Cindy Mangsen, but the song is a very well-known one in France; I learned it myself when I lived there. All the tunes I've heard it sung to have been closely-related; Midi made from the similar version, called La Marquise Empoisonnée given in Le Livre des Chansons (Henri Davenson, 1955), which is a particularly nice hypodorian melody. THE SANDGATE LASS ON THE ROPERY BANKS filename[ ROPERY Tune specified is Fy let us a' to the Bridal; midi made from the set in James Aird's collection (Volume I, 1782; .abc transcription by Jack Campin), slightly modified to fit. Cross-references etc.: SEAL SONG filename[ SEALSONG Midi already at Alan's site, posted by me some months back, under its usual title of Hó i Hó i. THE LASSIE WHA NEVER SAYS NO filename[ NEVRSAY No source named . This is a not-terribly-good transcription by ear of the text of Jeannie Robertson's BONNIE WEE LASSIE THAT NEVER SAID NO (filename[ NEVSAYNO) for which I've already sent in a midi. For all its faults, this file does at least have the verse omitted from the latter. THE SEVEN WONDERS filename[ SVNWONDR DT text from the singing of somebody called Jill King. The English language version commonly known was recorded by Maddy Prior and June Tabor (Silly Sisters); they learnt it from Mick Tems of Pontadawe; ...see thread for the full details. Midi sent to Alan some months back: Seven Wonders, The. FAREWELL TO THE MONTY filename[ FARWMNTY Midi sent by me to Alan, re.thread Tunes for songs DOWN IN THE COAL MINE filename[ DOWNCOAL Midi sent re. above thread. THRESHING SONG filename[ THRESONG This is a duplicate of OLD THRESHING SONG filename[ THRSHSNG, which has the tune THRSHSNG.mid Malcolm |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: MMario Date: 07 Sep 00 - 03:09 PM 1497) HELP ME MAKE IT THROUGH THE YARD 1498) HELP ME MAKE IT THRU THE NIGHT midi for both sent to alan 9/7 |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: MMario Date: 07 Sep 00 - 02:52 PM 2602) OLD GOSPEL SHIP - midi sent to alan 9/7 1375) GOSPEL SHIP - midi sent to alan 9/7 |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: Barbara Date: 07 Sep 00 - 01:22 PM I've been away last week, will get to tunes forthwith. Don't believe Anachreon in Heaven is exactly the same as the SSB, and would be nice to have the variant, but I don't think I have it. I'll look. Blessings, Barbara |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: MMario Date: 07 Sep 00 - 12:29 PM The Knight and the Unicorn found:here has had a midi sent to Alan. 3311) SWEET KING WILLIAMS TOWN - midi from Noreen sent to Alan 9/7 3763) WILD GOOSE (RANZO)- mid from John_in_Brisbane sent 9/6 599) A CAVEAT AGAINST CUTPURSES - midi sent to alan 9/6 1310) GIVE ME THREE GRAINS OF CORN, MOTHER - midi sent 9/6
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: MMario Date: 06 Sep 00 - 01:42 PM 122) ARE YOU LONESOME TONIGHT? - midi sent to alan 9/6 816) DEAD DOG SCRUMPY - midi sent to alan 6/5 1236) FRIGGIN IN THE RIGGIN - midi sent to alan 9/6 1546) HILLI BALLU - posted to thread 23672 9/5 1763) IN MY LIVERPOOL HOME - posted to thread 23672 9/5 896) DON'T CRY IN YOUR SLEEP- posted to thread 23672 9/5 |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: Sorcha Date: 06 Sep 00 - 12:28 PM 2332)MIGHTY LAK' A ROSE, abc posted 2418)MY GAL SAL, abc posted |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: MMario Date: 06 Sep 00 - 08:55 AM No Tune list has been updated as of this morning. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: MMario Date: 06 Sep 00 - 08:33 AM John - Roast Beef of Old England and Anachreon in Heaven have both been posted. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: John in Brisbane Date: 06 Sep 00 - 04:06 AM Also I see that Anachreon in Heaven is not credited with a tune. Most people probably know that the Star Spangled Banner words were added to the Anachreon tune. Composer was John Smith. Regards, John |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: John in Brisbane Date: 06 Sep 00 - 04:00 AM MMario, do you have Roast Beef of Old England? I note that Barry Taylor has a good MIDI. Regards, John |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: Sorcha Date: 05 Sep 00 - 11:28 AM 1353)GOOBER PEAS, abc posted to Tune Thread 2965)ROCK ABOUT MY SARO JANE abc posted to Tune Thread |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: Sorcha Date: 05 Sep 00 - 11:14 AM 2193)LOWLANDS 2 2194)LOWLANDS 3 2195)LOWLANDS 4 New thread started for the above, with a different set of words that the DT. I believe the tune will fit all of the above, and John in Brisbane has a tune, also. 2798)POOR LAZURUS, new thread started with different words from Lomax, tune included. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: MMario Date: 05 Sep 00 - 09:42 AM why not? minimum it means other people have access through the forum |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: Sorcha Date: 05 Sep 00 - 09:34 AM Aw foodles, I just finished Lowlands last nite--if John has it, I won't post it, BUT my words are a Mobile Bay version, not in the DT, should I post them? Also, the words I have to Poor Lazrus are just a bit different--same story, but in a Gullah type dialect. Should I post them? (I think the tune will fit......) |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: John in Brisbane Date: 05 Sep 00 - 09:34 AM Howse about 'Hangin on the old barbed wire'? Cheers, John |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: MMario Date: 05 Sep 00 - 09:26 AM I don't *think* so....(it was a GOOD weekend....*grin*) |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: John in Brisbane Date: 05 Sep 00 - 08:56 AM MM, I have tunes for: Lowlands Rolling Home 2 Ranzo Hangin Johnny Girls Around Cape Horn Across The Line Have any of these been accounted for please? Regards, John |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: John in Brisbane Date: 03 Sep 00 - 08:54 PM Snuffy, I must admit that I have bit my tongue somewhat on this subject, but I have a few observations to make.
Dick has certainly made a point of seeking unornamented tunes. If you are transcribing from a printed source I believe that it is preferable to quote the source AND to transcribe it as faithfully as possible, even if it is highly ornamented. Remove the fal-de-lals if you wish, but then make it clear in your posting that you have edited the original source material.
Where we don't have access to the original source of alternative versions of a particular song I would favour leaving the tune as unknown. Tunes mutate in exactly the same way as lyrics do - marches become waltzes, major keys become minor, accidentals get added or deleted. Deeming that every version is identical can deny the end result of a rich folk process.
I have to agree very much with Malcolm re aligning lyrics and tune. I have located a number of older ballad scores in particular where the new tune will simply not fit the existing DT lyrics without some degree of bastardisation and/or I'm simply not smart enough to get them to fit without access to some primary reference source. Scottish songs in particular are often riddled with slurred notes which I find quite bifficult to align words and tune.
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 02 Sep 00 - 08:29 PM Thanks, Ivan: will do. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: IvanB Date: 02 Sep 00 - 07:02 PM Malcolm, I'm certainly no expert on Sol-Fa, but I did transcribe one so I could sing it at church (the accompanist needed hers written out on a staff!). If you want to send me a scan, I'll try to work it out. You can send it here: Ivan Bradley's e-mail |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 02 Sep 00 - 06:33 PM More midis: ABOUT THE BUSH, WILLY filename[ BUSHWILI Tune from Northumbrian Minstrelsy, Bruce & Stokoe (1882) ANDREW CARR filename[ ANDRCAR The file contains 2 Scottish versions and one English. Tune for the latter is in Bruce & Stokoe. As it stands, it's a 9/8 AABB jig, and the given text is rather difficult to sing to it, so I've made one midi of the tune as given, and another, slightly modified to make a singable set. This is only a suggestion; it should be emphasised that the traditional form might have been quite different. BONNIE WEE LASSIE THAT NEVER SAID NO filename[ NEVSAYNO Jeannie Robertson's version. Midi made from the transcription in Jeannie Robertson: Emergent Singer, Transformative Voice (Porter & Gower, 1995). CALLING ON SONG filename[ CLNGON and CALLING-ON SONG filename[ CALLNGON are both transcriptions of Ashley Hutchings' 1970 re-write of the Captain's song of the Earsdon Sword Dancers. The former attributes the piece, the latter does not but is a more accurate transcription. Midi made from Hutchings' recording with Steeleye Span (Hark the Village Wait, RCA, 1970). COME UP AND SEE MY GARRET filename[ COMGARET The entry cites 3 versions, but doesn't say whether they share the same tune. I have Jeannie Robertson's version, which is set to a different tune than the one Ewan MacColl used. Midi sent, with the caveat that it's only one of at least two alternatives. CRAIGIE HILL filename[ CRAIGHIL No source given. It looks to be the version that Dick Gaughan recorded, which came from Brigid Tunney: Paddy Tunney included it in The Stone Fiddle, and I've made a midi from the notation given there. DARK EYED SAILOR filename[ DARKEYE2 Presumably transcribed from recordings by Christy Moore or Steeleye Span. Since the latter is the earlier recording, I've made a midi based on that, using the version in Roy Palmer's Everyman's Book of English Country Songs as a template. Gay Woods learnt the song from Al O'Donnell of Dublin, incidentally. I've just seen that Snuffy has posted an .abc, but this will save someone having to mess about converting it. GHRUAGACH DHONN filename[ GRUDHONN Tune from Moffat's Minstrelsy of the Scottish Highlands. It's clearly a member of the Hind Horn/Cruel Mother (etc.) tune family. POLLY VAUGHN (3) filename[ POLLVON3 Harry Cox's version; and it should be spelled Vaughan! Midi made from Kennedy's transcription (Folk Songs of Britain and Ireland. Cross-references: THE COUNTRY LASS filename[ CNTYLAS The entry doesn't give any source, but Robert Burns published it as Country Lassie. See COUNTRY LASSIE filename[ CNTRYLAS, CNTRYLAS.mid HOO CAN I KEEP MY MAIDENHEID filename[ HOWMAID See THE BIRKS OF ABERFELDIE filename[ ABERFELD -ABERFELD.mid Malcolm |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 01 Sep 00 - 09:33 PM Decoration is fine if you have the tune that definitely belongs to the text; otherwise I'd guess that a generic tune may be safer. It's probably a good plan not to rush into posting things that have the right title but may not actually match up with the text on the DT. I've been spending a good bit of time trying to fit words (so often posted inaccurately by well-meaning people who didn't understand the idiom) to what ought to be the right melodies, and having a hell of a time of it! Hey, just because I'm a bit anal-retentive about that kind of thing doesn't mean you have to be. By the way, re. AILENN DUINN filename[ AILNDUIN -I have the music for this version in Bruce Campbell's Oran nan Gaidheal (Gairm, 1987), but it's in Tonic Sol-Fa, which I can't make head nor tail of. If anybody round here can read it, I'll happily send a scan of the page...There's a tune in Kennedy, too, but's it's a different version (Flora MacNeil) which doesn't fit the DT text. Malcolm |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: MMario Date: 01 Sep 00 - 02:34 PM 2629) OLD SPINNING WHEEL- midi sent to alan 9/1 2630) THE OLD SPINNING WHEEL - midi sent to alan 9/1 2765) PILLS OF WHITE MERCURY -http://www.mudcat.org/thread.CFM?threadID=7421 2770) PITTSBURGH, PENNSYLVANIA - see tunefile [LITBOX 2793) POLLY VAUGHN - see Molly Bawn [POLLVON2 2794) POLLY VAUGHN (3)- see Molly Bawn [POLLVON2 2826) THE PRICKILIE BUSH - see [HANGMN1
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: Sorcha Date: 01 Sep 00 - 12:48 PM 2388)MOUNTAIN MEADOWS MASSACRE, abc posted 3475)TOM JOAD, abc posted And I am with Mario on this one, scholarship is great, but something is better than nothing. I am trying to do as much documentation as I can, though. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: MMario Date: 01 Sep 00 - 12:16 PM I believe what dick has been looking for is the un-ornamented melody line, but as for the rest, I can't tell you. I *personally* prefer any version that will let me sing it to nothing. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: Snuffy Date: 01 Sep 00 - 11:55 AM Oops! I hit Submit too soon!
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: Snuffy Date: 01 Sep 00 - 11:49 AM |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: MMario Date: 01 Sep 00 - 09:48 AM updated files as of 9/1 now available. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 31 Aug 00 - 10:12 PM One I didn't realise I had: FIONNGHUALA filename[ FINNONGU Puzzlingly described as "Irish" in the DT, perhaps because it was once recorded by the Bothy Band. Traditional Scottish version (their source, so far as I know) recorded by the School of Scottish Studies from the singing of Calum Johnston (of Barra?). Midi made from the transcription given in the notes to "Music from the Western Isles" (Tangent Records TNGM 110, 1971: re-issued on Greentrax CDTRAX 9002). The notation is difficult, involving bars apparantly in 13/16, 14/16, 15/16 and 16/16. I'm not convinced that it sounds a lot like the recorded version, but it goes, as given, to Alan. Malcolm |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: MMario Date: 31 Aug 00 - 09:36 PM see Please Post tunes here thread for instructions |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: Barbara Date: 31 Aug 00 - 06:20 PM Say, MMario, would you say here what the protocol is for posting them once they're in MIDI? Do I post 'em here with Alan's program, or ship 'em to someone or what? Thanks, Blessings, Barbara |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: MMario Date: 31 Aug 00 - 04:58 PM May I remind anyone who has any ambition at all towards helping with this project: 1)the lists of "Songs without tunes" and "songs without tunes that we have located tunes for" are both available from me - PM MMario or e-mail lpola@edutech to get the latest updated versions (Monday through friday)[tuesday through friday next week] 2)If you aren't capable of producing a midi or ABC file but have sheet music and can scan or xerox there are people who you can send them too who will produce the electronic files. 3) if you can even take the time to search the forum/DT to identify items where the tune is ALREADY in the DT or Forum, but not yet linked in the DT - then post the locations - THAT is also a big help. 4) for originals or very obscure songs - audio files can be sent to people who are capable or transcribing by ear - or sing them to them over HEARME... Anyone can help. Believe me. yes, you too can help swamp DickG with hundreds of tune files.
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Subject: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: MMario Date: 31 Aug 00 - 04:49 PM Since part II is getting long...
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