Lyrics & Knowledge Personal Pages Record Shop Auction Links Radio & Media Kids Membership Help
The Mudcat Cafesj

Post to this Thread - Printer Friendly - Home
Page: [1] [2]


Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III

Related threads:
Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II (100)
Tune Add: Missing DT tunes - Part NINE (64) (closed)
Tune Add: Missing tunes: WANTED - part EIGHT (104) (closed)
Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted: (120)
Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN (103)
Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX (99)
Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V (104)
Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted -IV (96)


Alan of Australia 31 Oct 00 - 12:53 AM
MMario 04 Oct 00 - 04:22 PM
MMario 04 Oct 00 - 04:19 PM
MMario 04 Oct 00 - 09:58 AM
Malcolm Douglas 02 Oct 00 - 05:41 PM
GUEST,Pam 02 Oct 00 - 05:02 PM
MMario 02 Oct 00 - 05:00 PM
MMario 02 Oct 00 - 04:47 PM
Malcolm Douglas 02 Oct 00 - 04:33 PM
MMario 02 Oct 00 - 12:18 PM
MMario 01 Oct 00 - 01:39 PM
John in Brisbane 01 Oct 00 - 06:38 AM
Malcolm Douglas 30 Sep 00 - 08:44 PM
Malcolm Douglas 30 Sep 00 - 12:19 AM
MMario 29 Sep 00 - 11:31 PM
Malcolm Douglas 29 Sep 00 - 11:22 PM
MMario 29 Sep 00 - 05:23 PM
MMario 29 Sep 00 - 04:43 PM
MMario 29 Sep 00 - 03:32 PM
Snuffy 29 Sep 00 - 02:28 PM
Snuffy 29 Sep 00 - 08:38 AM
Malcolm Douglas 28 Sep 00 - 08:56 PM
GUEST,Bruce O. 28 Sep 00 - 12:19 AM
MMario 27 Sep 00 - 05:55 PM
MMario 27 Sep 00 - 01:44 PM
NightWing 27 Sep 00 - 01:18 PM
MMario 26 Sep 00 - 09:38 PM
GUEST,Bruce O. 26 Sep 00 - 08:06 PM
MMario 26 Sep 00 - 12:32 PM
MMario 26 Sep 00 - 11:18 AM
Malcolm Douglas 22 Sep 00 - 08:26 PM
MMario 21 Sep 00 - 04:52 PM
MMario 21 Sep 00 - 03:23 PM
MMario 21 Sep 00 - 11:54 AM
Noreen 21 Sep 00 - 11:38 AM
MMario 21 Sep 00 - 09:41 AM
Noreen 20 Sep 00 - 06:27 PM
MMario 20 Sep 00 - 03:57 PM
MMario 19 Sep 00 - 04:07 PM
MMario 19 Sep 00 - 04:00 PM
Barbara 19 Sep 00 - 03:58 PM
MMario 19 Sep 00 - 03:38 PM
MMario 18 Sep 00 - 11:43 AM
MMario 18 Sep 00 - 09:33 AM
IvanB 15 Sep 00 - 05:36 PM
Snuffy 14 Sep 00 - 06:19 PM
MMario 13 Sep 00 - 12:48 PM
MMario 12 Sep 00 - 08:11 PM
MMario 11 Sep 00 - 10:10 AM
Snuffy 11 Sep 00 - 10:04 AM
Share Thread
more
Lyrics & Knowledge Search [Advanced]
DT  Forum Child
Sort (Forum) by:relevance date
DT Lyrics:













Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III
From: Alan of Australia
Date: 31 Oct 00 - 12:53 AM

G'day,
The following tunes (see Malcolm's post above, 28 Sept 00) are now available at the Mudcat MIDI site.

AN ACRE OF LAND
AGHADOE
BLACK, WHITE, YELLOW AND GREEN
BONNY FARDAY
CALLER HERRIN'
FLOWERS IN THE VALLEY
FOX WENT OUT (Den-O)
RANTIN` ROVIN` ROBIN
THE HIELAND LADDIE
HUSH YE MY BAIRNIE
WHEN I WAS A YOUNG MAN
I WOULD THAT THE WARS WERE ALL DONE
LAND O' THE LEAL
LUDGIN' WI' BIG AGGIE
THE MOWER
MOWING THE BARLEY
ONE MAN SHALL MOW MY MEADOW
THE PAINFUL PLOUGH
PRINCE CHARLIE STUART
THE SMART SCHOOLBOY
TWO BROTHERS
THE UPS AND DOWNS
WHITE FISHER
THE WHUMMIL BORE
WILLIE'S LADY
WI' MY DOG AND GUN
EAT WORMS

Cheers,
Alan


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III
From: MMario
Date: 04 Oct 00 - 04:22 PM

goto part IV go directly to part iv


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III
From: MMario
Date: 04 Oct 00 - 04:19 PM

Clear away the Morning Dew = Blow away the Morning dew =tunefile [Blowdew


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III
From: MMario
Date: 04 Oct 00 - 09:58 AM

679) COLLIER LASS posted by snuffy to thread 23672

956) DUBLIN FUSILIERS - posted by snuffy to thread 23672

1891) JOHNSON'S MOTOR GAR -posted by snuffy to thread 23672

files updated


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 02 Oct 00 - 05:41 PM

Hi, Pam.  I'm afraid you've asked your question in completely the wrong place; this thread is for identifying tunes that go with songs that are in the Database without tunes.  Usually it's best to start a new thread for a request like yours, with the name of the song in its title; put in a BIG thread like this, it might never get noticed.  However, you're in luck this time: the words are in the Database.  Click here:  Mary Fagan  -No tune, I'm afraid!  Actually, I think she spelled her name Phagan; there are a lot of references to her famous murder on the Web.

Malcolm


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III
From: GUEST,Pam
Date: 02 Oct 00 - 05:02 PM

Looking for the Tune "Little Mary Peggins" I think that is the name. My Gransfather sang it to me. It's about Mary who went to the pencil factory to get her pay, not once did the poor child know that she was going to die." Help.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III
From: MMario
Date: 02 Oct 00 - 05:00 PM

BTW - those midis he sent (from the Olympic hiatus) include but are not limited to #'s 6, 6, 356, 435, 554, 983, 1527, 1613, 1688, 2201, 2392, 2393, 2659, 2707, 2831, 2893, 3185, 3566, 3775.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III
From: MMario
Date: 02 Oct 00 - 04:47 PM

okay - phoaks....all them songs Malcolm has been posting, consider them updated in the files.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 02 Oct 00 - 04:33 PM

I've just sent them: 30 in all.  I suppose now I'd better get back to the difficult ones....


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III
From: MMario
Date: 02 Oct 00 - 12:18 PM

3613) WATERCRESS-O - posted by snuffy to threads 23672 9/30

files updated.

Malcolm - let me know when you have shipped the backlogged midi's off to Alan. okay? Thanks!


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III
From: MMario
Date: 01 Oct 00 - 01:39 PM

yes I did. I annotated the file and sent the midi on.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III
From: John in Brisbane
Date: 01 Oct 00 - 06:38 AM

MMario, did you get Rossa's Farewell to Dublin (or did it exist)? Regards, John


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 30 Sep 00 - 08:44 PM

More:

FOX WENT OUT (Den-O) filename[ FOXOUT5  Sorcha has posted an .abc of a tune for this song, and Snuffy has now added the version sung by The Young Tradition, with words.  Both tunes seem to be related, but since this particular text is the Copper Family version, I've made a midi from the notation given in Bob Copper's book Early To Rise (1976).  Copyright Coppersongs 1976.

WI' MY DOG AND GUN filename[ DOGNGUN  This is more usually called The Mountain Streams Where The Moorcocks Crow.  Though I've only heard a very brief clip of the Silly Wizard version from which this text was taken (from So Many Partings), they seem to have used pretty much the usual Scottish tune, so I've made a midi from the version notated in John Brune's Roving Songster (1965), which has an almost identical text, bar a few minor differences; this will serve until somebody comes up with a transcription from the record.  There are a couple of mistakes in the DT transcription:  "you'll find my swelling" should of course be "you'll find my dwelling", and "...their so so sweetly" ought to be "...their song so sweetly.  There are also a few odd changes from the usual versions:  "I loved a robber" is usually "I loved a rover"; "lenties" is usually "linnets"; "millcocks" is usually "moorcocks".  The DT notes don't say where this version came from, but a quick search of the web reveals that Andy M. Stewart learnt it from older members of his family, who used to sing it a lot.

WHEN I WAS A YOUNG MAN (2) filename[ WHNYNGM2  Though the DT entry gives no source, this is the version that Martin Carthy got from the Duncan collection of songs from N.E. Scotland, and recorded on Shearwater (Peg Records PEG12, 1972, re-issued on Mooncrest CRESTCD 008, 1991).  A number of people have learnt it from Carthy and subsequently recorded it, Oisín amongst them.  Midi made from Carthy's recording.

Malcolm


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 30 Sep 00 - 12:19 AM

We'll have to compare notes at some point; I can get to the books in the library (at times).

Meanwhile, I have found a tune for THE WHITE FISHER, Filename [WHITFISH, and have posted abc and text to this thread:  The White Fisher  A midi will go to Alan.

Malcolm


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III
From: MMario
Date: 29 Sep 00 - 11:31 PM

I haven't been able to proof it, but the original file suppossedly had been proofed a number of times, though not "final" proof. So I figure it is reasonably good. I have no access to hardcopy, so I really can't proof it. Had to be satisfied with getting it into a readable form.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 29 Sep 00 - 11:22 PM

Snuffy:

Blessed if I know.  I'd go for 100, personally, but I've no particularly good reason apart from comparison with other versions, which of course proves nothing!   Just curious, really; thanks for checking.

MMario: I've been trawling through that file, too, but have only got 1/3 of the way; have you been able to proofread it?  Nightmare stuff, some of it, particularly the bits with Thorns...

Malcolm


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III
From: MMario
Date: 29 Sep 00 - 05:23 PM

BTW - DT has now been sent all but 20 of the texts for the Child Ballads - so if anyone wants to enter all the Bronson (spelling?) tunes, feel free! *grin*


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III
From: MMario
Date: 29 Sep 00 - 04:43 PM

919) DORAN'S ASS - mid by john in brisbane sent to joe 9/29

3529) TURTLE DOVE -midi from john in brisbane sent to joe

3811) THE WOMEN ARE WORSE THAN THE MEN - midi from john in brisbane sent to joe

files updated.

about 2851 to go - it is beginning to get a bit more difficult. the help of any willing gratefully accepted.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III
From: MMario
Date: 29 Sep 00 - 03:32 PM

1708) I'M CALLED LITTLE CAROLINE - posted by snuffy to thread 23672 9/28

2550) OF ALL THE BIRDS - posted by snuffy to thread 23672 9/28

3044) SAILOR'S PRAYER - posted by snuffy to thread 23672 9/28

files updated as of 9/29

Note: John in Brisbane sent me some midi's I have to send forward. will update as soon as I can.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III
From: Snuffy
Date: 29 Sep 00 - 02:28 PM

Malcolm

O'Shaughnessey (or ist Grainger) doesn't give a metronome marking, merely "Sprightly".

Never having heard anyone sing it, I probably thought 120 was about sprightly enough. What do you think?

Wassail! V


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III
From: Snuffy
Date: 29 Sep 00 - 08:38 AM

Malcolm

I copied A Fair Maid Walking from O'Shaughnessey's "21 Lincolnshire Folksongs collected by Percy Grainger" (or similar title - I'm at work, and can't check). I can't remember if there is a tempo given with the tune in the book.

I have noticed that in certain circumstances a Q: setting that produces acceptable results in Abc2Win, produces an extremely slow midi when converted by Abc2Midi. So it's then a case of increasing the Q: until the midi plays at the same speed as the original ABC - perhaps that's what happened here, and I never reset Q: to its original value before posting.

I'll let you know tonight when I get home.

Wassail! V


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 28 Sep 00 - 08:56 PM

More midis to go to Alan after the Olympics:

THE PAINFUL PLOUGH filename[ PAINPLOW  Text transcribed from a record by Louis Killen; no mention made of his source.  There is, however, a set of the song in The Painful Plough (Roy Palmer, Cambridge University Press, 1972) which is textually close enough for it to be reasonable to suppose that the tune is close, too; I've made a midi of that.  Palmer took it from English Folk-Songs (W.A. Barrett, 1891). His final two verses are different from Killen's:

Behold the wealthy merchant that trades in foreign seas,
And brings forth gold and treasure for those that live at ease,
With finest silks and spices, and fruits and dainties too,
They are brought from the Indies by virtue of the plough.

For they must have bread, biscuit, rice pudding, flour and peas,
To feed the jolly sailors as they sail o'er the seas,
Yet ev'ry man that brings them here will own to what is true-
He cannot sail the ocean without the painful plough.

AN ACRE OF LAND filename[ ACRELAND  The note in the DT describes this as the version that Ralph Vaughan Williams had from Frank Bailey (of Coombe Bissett, Wiltshire), in 1904.  The verses certainly are, but Bailey's refrain, There goes this ivery has been changed to Ivy, sing Ivery somewhere along the line.  Midi made from Bailey's tune as given in Bushes & Briars, ed. Roy Palmer, 1983/1999.  The DT file gives the song Child number #46 (Captain Wedderburn's Courtship), which is wrong; it should be #2 (The Elfin Knight).

THE HIELAND LADDIE filename[ HIELNLAD  This is the song on which Burns based his As I came o'er the Cairney Mount, and is set to a tune called As I came o'er the Cairney Mount or The Highland Lassie.  Midi made from the notation in Burns: Poems and Songs (James Kinsley, 1969).  There is a final verse not given in the DT:

But our ammunition being spent,
And we quite out of breath an' sweating,
We did agree with ae consent,
To fight it out at our next meeting.

It would appear that HIELAND LADDIE filename[ GLASGPG3 is also sung to this tune, though it should be noted that Jean Redpath has a different melody, which again fits both, and which she says comes from the Orpheus Caledonius (Thomson, 1725).

HUSH YE MY BAIRNIE filename[ HUSHYEB  Taken from a record by Gordon Bok; no source is named, which is a pity as it's the English language version, written by Malcolm MacFarlane, of the Scots Gaelic song Cagaran Gaolach.  A few mistakes have crept in, either on Mr. Bok's part or on that of the transcriber.  In verse 1, "Lift me a coney a goat and a wether" should be "Lift me a coo, and a goat, and a wether"; in verse two, "Bonny wee laddie" should be "Bonny wee lammie; verse 3 has been muddled up and the rhymes lost; MacFarlane's original reads:

Hush ye, my bairnie, my bonnie wee dearie;
Sleep! come and close the een, heavy and wearie;
Closed are the wearie een, rest are ye takin'-
Soun' be yer sleepin', and bright be yer wakin'.

Some other changes have been made, presumably because Mr. Bok didn't feel comfortable with the Scots expressions; this is fair enough where the sense is not compromised, so I don't feel any great need to point them out.  I should point out that MacFarlane's version is not a literal translation of the Gaelic.  See also CAGARAN GAOLACH filename[ CAGARAN, which does give a translation, though there are a few differences between the Scottish text and this one, which is a less complete Cape Breton variant.  I'm not sure whether or not someone has made a midi for the latter (or indeed whether the tune is the same, though I would imagine that it is), so I've done one anyway, from the notation in Moffat's Minstrelsy of the Scottish Highlands.  

I WOULD THAT THE WARS WERE ALL DONE filename[ WARDONE  Collected by Sabine Baring Gould and published in A Garland of Country Song, 1895.  Midi made from the notation in that book.  The DT text is taken from a record by Roy Harris, and omits the second verse (which Harris presumably did not sing):

"Oh violet, in-vi'late, the oath it may prove,
My lover swore to me, when in the green grove;
In France and in Flanders are maidens as well,
Will Robin prove fickle and false to his Nell?

AGHADOE filename[ AGHADOE  Verses by John Todhunter; I don't know whether or not he wrote the tune.  Midi made from the notation in A.P. Graves' Irish Songbook, 1922 edition.  The DT set has its "glens" mixed up with its "glades", and its "secrets" with its "silents", and, more importantly, should read, not "Where I hid", but "Where I hid him.


Cross-references:

ALL UNDER THE LEAVES filename[ SVNVIRG2  No source named, so we may never know what tune this version was sung to, but see a close enough version, SEVEN VIRGINS (The Leaves Of Life) filename[ SVNVIRG, which has a tune, SVNVIRG.mid, which will have to serve.

ANGUS HEMPSTEAD filename[ ANGUSHEM  is a parody of A fair maid walking all in her garden; unless somebody comes up with the precise tune used by Grit Laskin, the midi Snuffy made for FAIR MAID WALKING filename[ JREILLY5 will have to do.  By the way, Snuffy; you indicate the tempo as Q:1/4=120; isn't that a little fast?  The very similar version collected by the Hammond brothers 1n Dorset in the same year (1906)is a lot slower.

Malcolm


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III
From: GUEST,Bruce O.
Date: 28 Sep 00 - 12:19 AM

Drat! In my post above that should be Vickers' MS.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III
From: MMario
Date: 27 Sep 00 - 05:55 PM

refresh. How much longer do the Olympics go?


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III
From: MMario
Date: 27 Sep 00 - 01:44 PM

no. (because it is huge, but constantly changing) however, if you personal message an e-mail address to me (MMario) or e-mail me (lpola@edutech.org) I will send you the "no tune" list, and additionaly (if you want it) the "found tune" list.

HINT: the above applies to anyone.

I will point out that even if you cannot create a midi file or an ABC file, if you possess the music and can scan or copy the music and e-mail or snail-mail the dots to some one who CAN it amounts to the same thing

also - if you know the tune to some obscure song, but don't write music, perhaps you can find someone who can transcribe by ear.

or you can spend some time searching the forum database to see if the tune has already been posted but is "lost"

or you could web search for an existing abc or midi file, or a gif that is already posted out on the web

see? lotsa ways to help.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III
From: NightWing
Date: 27 Sep 00 - 01:18 PM

Is the list of songs without tunes posted somewhere on the 'Cat?


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III
From: MMario
Date: 26 Sep 00 - 09:38 PM

THANK YOU!


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III
From: GUEST,Bruce O.
Date: 26 Sep 00 - 08:06 PM

"The Birks of Abergeldie" as the tune for "How can I keep my maidenhead" is one of three tune directions that are wrong in 'The Merry Muses of Caledonia' (see 'Merry Muses tunes' in Scarce Songs 2 on my website). The proper tune is "How can I keep my maidenhead", later called "Lennox love to Blantyre", of which ABCs of two early copies are given in file S2.HTM on my website. I don't have a copy of the 1736 printing of "How can I keep my maidenhead". Here's a later copy:

X:1
T:How can I keep my maidenhead?
S:Vicker's MS, c 1772
Q:1/4=120
L:1/8
M:C|
K:F
F/F/F FG A3/2G/FA|G3/2F/GA d3/2c/df|\
F/F/F FG A3/2G/FA|G3/2F/GA D/D/D D2::\
cdfg a3/2g/fa|gfga f3/2e/df|cdfg agfa|gf g/a/b g2 f2:|]


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III
From: MMario
Date: 26 Sep 00 - 12:32 PM

2017) LAMOILLE RIVER - midi by john_in_brisbane, sent to joe

1243) FROM WAY UP HERE - midi by John In Brisbane, sent to joe

1340) GOING DOWN THE ROAD FEELING BAD - midi done by John-In-Brisbane, sent to Joe

files updated.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III
From: MMario
Date: 26 Sep 00 - 11:18 AM

Thanks Malcolm!

both "no tune" and "found tune" files updated as of today.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 22 Sep 00 - 08:26 PM

BONNIE BLACK HARE [ BLACKHAR Tunefile BLACKHAR.mid -Tune and text from The Constant Lovers (ed. Frank Purslow, EFDS Publications, 1972).  Collected by Dr. Gardiner;tune and first verse from Thomas Jones of Portsmouth, Hampshire, in 1907.  Remainder of text from a broadside in the Bodleian Collection.  In verse 5 line 3, somebody has changed "put his balls in her ear" to "his balls he put near", which is more sensible, if less amusing.  There's also another verse not given, which fits between verses 3 and 4:

"I think you are deceitful, young maid", he did say,
"My bonny black hare I am told pass'd this way;
And you have decoy'd me, I vow and declare,
You shall go with me for to hunt the black hare."

BONNY BLACK HARE (2) filename[ BLACKHR2  No source named, but it appears to be A.L. Lloyd's version, which Martin Carthy later recorded and, after him, Fairport Convention.  The final verse is a little different, though; Carthy had:

My powder is wasted and my bullets all gone
My ramrod is limp and I cannot fire on

The tune (almost certainly "adapted" by Lloyd) is very different from Thomas Jones'.  Midi made from Carthy's recording.

TWO BROTHERS filename[ TWOBROS  Transcribed from a Jean Redpath record.  It's been remarked that this version fits ROLLING OF THE STONES filename[ ROLLSTON; both tunes given with it, ROLLSTON.mid and ROLLSTON2.mid, are indeed close to Redpath's version, which she learned from Jeannie Robertson.  Midi made from the transcription in Jeannie Robertson: Emergent Singer, Transformative Voice (James Porter & Herschel Gower, 1995) with most of the gracenotes omitted.  Generally I leave decorations in, as it gives a better idea of the Source Singer's approach to interpretation, but I think that in this case it might have been a bit confusing for the casual listener.

THE UPS AND DOWNS filename[ UPSNDOWN  Text from the recording by Steeleye Span.  They got it from Marrowbones (Frank Purslow, EFDS, 1965); midi made from the notation in that book.  The song was collected by Dr. Gardiner from Mr. E. Frankham of Petersfield, Hampshire, in 1908.  Purslow remarks, "It has been suggested by James Reeves that the Ups and Downs represent the 69th. Foot Regiment, 69 being a number that reads the same when written upside down."

BLACK, WHITE, YELLOW AND GREEN filename[ BLWHYGR  From a recording by Roy Harris, with no indication as to what tune he may have used.  Midi made from a recording by Shirley Collins, who sung it to a version of The Black Joke, a Morris tune.  It should be noted that what looks like the second verse in the DT version is in fact the chorus.

RANTIN` ROVIN` ROBIN filename[ RRROBIN  No source named.  But for a few altered words, this is Robert Burns' poem, written in 1787 and set originally to the tune of Dainty Davie; see DAINTY DAVIE, filename[ DNTDAVE (DNTDAVE.mid).  According to John & Angus MacPherson (The Poetical Works of Robert Burns, date unknown) it was later more generally sung to Oh Gin Ye Were Dead, Gudeman.  I've made a midi of that from the notation in Burns: Poems & Songs (ed. James Kinsley, 1969), as an alternative.  Kinsley gives a final verse not in the DT file:

Guid faith quo' scho I doubt you Stir,
Ye'll gar the lasses lie aspar;
But twenty fauts ye may hae waur-
So blessins on thee, Robin.

It should be noted that what looks like the second verse in the DT is in fact the chorus.

In verse 2, "Oor Monarch's hindmost year but ane, Was five and twenty days begun'" refers to Jan. 25th 1759, the date of Burns' birth.

BONNY FARDAY filename[ BONFARDY  A version of Babylon (The Bonny Banks o Fordie, Child #14); the notes mention several sources, but this is the version noted by John Jacob Niles in 1932 from the singing of Preston Little (prompted by Roscoe Phipps) of Hazard, Kentucky, and published in The Ballad Book of John Jacob Niles (1961).  Two midis made made from the notation in that book; [a] melody line only, and [b] Niles' rather dramatic harmonisation.

THE SMART SCHOOLBOY filename[ FALSKNT5  Version collected by John Jacob Niles in 1935 from Preston Wolford at Dot, Va., USA, and published in The Ballad Book (1961).

WILLIE'S LADY filename[ WILILAD2  Presumably transcribed from Ray Fisher's recording.  The tune to which she set it, Son Ar Chiste, is at WILLIE'S LADY filename[ WILILADY, which is a transcription of Martin Carthy's English re-write (WILILADY.mid).  Ray Fisher's text, so far as I know, is a shortened re-write of the only text in Child; this came from Anna Brown (around 1783) with a melody transcribed by her nephew, whose musical theory wasn't much better than mine.  Midi made from Bronson's conjectural reading of it; the interpretation of the two trills is my own guess.  It's not an unattractive melody, but is only two lines long; the repetition involved in singing the whole ballad to it would bore the modern listener quite quickly, so I can see why Ray Fisher would set it to a longer, more dramatic tune, not dis-similar in essence but more developed.  Bronson thought that it was probably sung with an interleaved refrain (Mrs. Brown & the Ballad, California Folklore Quarterly, vol.IV, no.2 [1945]), but there is no record of any.

FLOWERS IN THE VALLEY filename[ FINEFLW2  Taken from a record by Finbar and Eddie Furey, who have garbled the lyrics so badly that the song doesn't make very much sense.  Of course, they may have learnt it that way.  There may be traditional Irish versions for all I know, but this one looks as if it derives from the version that Baring Gould found in Cornwall, and published (in A Garland of Country Song, 1895) set to a tune that he had heard Mr. Gilbert of The Falcon Inn at Mawgan in Pyder, Cornwall, sing to a different -though perhaps related- song.  This is the tune that the Fureys use, though they have loosened the rhythm quite a bit.  I've made a midi from Baring Gould's transcription, and will post the full text he gives in a separate thread.  The transcriber of the DT text has laid out the stanzas in a way that gives little indication of where the refrain (not chorus in this case) goes; see  Flowers in the Valley  for clarification.

Malcolm


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III
From: MMario
Date: 21 Sep 00 - 04:52 PM

FYI - I will be spending the next few days traveling and visiting the delightful Maryland Renaissance Festival (it's Pyrate weekend! yea!) and am not sure if I will be checking in before I leave. So will warn you now, I won't be doing any updates before monday, probably tuesday.

But if you have the tunes, send them! post them! deluge the forum with them! or my mailbox. (lpola@edutech.(spamfree)org) I'll get them where they should go, eventually.

Gotta go check out the TARDIS, make sure it's ready, so enjoy the weekend!

Just tried supersearch on the "no tune" search (which is humungous of course. it crapped out about 3 tunes shy of the complete list....


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III
From: MMario
Date: 21 Sep 00 - 03:23 PM

for example:

2325) A MICROSOFT CHRISTMAS - recitation - see 3532 Twas the night before Christmas

files updated as of 3:27 September 21, 2000


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III
From: MMario
Date: 21 Sep 00 - 11:54 AM

I'm sure it normally means they aren't sung, but of course it doesn't mean they can't be sung. As I said, I am going to mark these "recitation" in the list, but not remove them from the list. So if anyone FINDS music to them, they'll still be there to be posted...

For example I KNOW I have heard Deck of Cards sung, and found a reference the other day to a sung version of three hapence a foot.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III
From: Noreen
Date: 21 Sep 00 - 11:38 AM

MMario, I wondered about that; I know the ones I stated do not have tunes, but wouldn't know for sure whether categorising other pieces as 'recitations' precluded them having a tune.

Noreen


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III
From: MMario
Date: 21 Sep 00 - 09:41 AM

1703) I'M A LUMBERJACK - midi sent to joe 9/20/00

(Noreen! Thank you for going through the list and identifying the recitations. I am going to mark them as such in the list - though I have found references to some of them having been set to tunes, so will not remove them from the 'no tune' list)


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III
From: Noreen
Date: 20 Sep 00 - 06:27 PM

Good News! Up to 27 titles can be removed from the 'notune' list at a stroke: that is the number of titles that come up when '@recitation' is requested from the DT. I don't know them all, but 8 of them are Stanley Holloway recitations:
42)ALBERT AND THE LION
44) ALBERT'S RETURN
45) ALBERT'S REUNION
3064) SAM, SAM, PICK UP THA MUSKET
3062)SAM SMALL'S CHRISTMAS PUDDING
3434) THREE HA'PENCE A FOOT
275)THE BATTLE OF HASTINGS
267)THE BATTLE OF 'ASTINGS,
while
2283)MATILDA
is a poem by Hilaire Belloc

so at the very least, these 9 titles can be removed from the list.

ALSO, two of the above titles [275)THE BATTLE OF HASTINGS and 267)THE BATTLE OF 'ASTINGS] are identical apart from some spellings.

Noreen


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III
From: MMario
Date: 20 Sep 00 - 03:57 PM

814) THE DAY THE PUB BURNED DOWN -http://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=101768

1116) THE FEMALE SMUGGLER - midi sent to joe 9/20

968) DWELLING IN BEULAH LAND - midi sent to joe 9/20

files updated as of 9/20


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III
From: MMario
Date: 19 Sep 00 - 04:07 PM

Only 2883 to go guys!


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III
From: MMario
Date: 19 Sep 00 - 04:00 PM

oops! I got that Barbara, but forgot to post it.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III
From: Barbara
Date: 19 Sep 00 - 03:58 PM

If Snuffy hasn't shipped it to Joe, there's the ABC for Allison Gross posted in the Allison Gross thread, MMario.
Blessings,
Barbara


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III
From: MMario
Date: 19 Sep 00 - 03:38 PM

3580) VINCENT (STARRY, STARRY NIGHT)- midi sent to joe 9/19/00


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III
From: MMario
Date: 18 Sep 00 - 11:43 AM

1509) HERE'S A DRAM FOR THE PIPER -http://www.mudcat.org/thread.CFM?threadID=4620#26546

1522) HEY THE DUSTY MILLER - midi sent to Joe 9/18


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III
From: MMario
Date: 18 Sep 00 - 09:33 AM

files updated as of 9/18/00


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III
From: IvanB
Date: 15 Sep 00 - 05:36 PM

NWC's sent to Joe earlier this week:

1832) James James Morrison Morrison, filename [JAMMORSN

1800) It was a Lover and His Lass, filename [LOVERLAS

1063) Fall River Hoedown (Lizzie Borden), filename [FALLRIVR

728) Cotton Fields Back Home, filename [COTTNFLD

378) Blue Diamond Mine, filename [BLUDIAM


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III
From: Snuffy
Date: 14 Sep 00 - 06:19 PM

I had a quick look at the Mudcat midi site the other day, and some midis seem to have snuck in for missing tunes. Have they been there for ever, and did they just appear recently without anybody noticing? Here are the results of a quick trawl, but I'm sure there could be others.

561 CAMBOURNE HILL

678 COLIN AND PHOEBE - couldn't download the midi to check.

845 DESERTER - there are two midis called The Deserter From Kent. They both fit the words given in DT. The song says he came from the west of Kent, and later that he was taken to "Maystone Jail". Maidstone is the county town of Kent, and still has a prison, I believe. So is this a match or not?

885 AN DO/RD FIANNA:, - midi is called O/ro/ se/ do bheatha 'bhaile

1257 GAMBLER, 1258 THE GAMBLER (2), 1259 THE GAMBLER (3), - couldn't download the midi to check which (if any) of these three it fits.

1321 GLENCOE - midi is titled Rape of Glencoe

1774 IN THE OLD BAZAAR IN CAIRO - a full length, multi-track version

2507 NOBLEMAN'S WEDDING

2514 THE NORTHERN LIGHTS OF OLD ABERDEEN - the tune has a 4-line chorus, the DT text has three. I think the third line is missing from DT.

2537 O'REILLY AND THE BIG MCNEILL

2599 THE OLD FISH SONG

3024 ROW-DOW-DOW

3240 THE SOUTH COAST

3269 A STOR MO CHROI

3699 WHEN FATHER PAPERED THE PARLOUR - chorus only

Wassail! V


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III
From: MMario
Date: 13 Sep 00 - 12:48 PM

1336) GODSPEED THE PLOW - abc posted to http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=11185

2020) LAND O' THE LEAL - malcolm has ready to e-mail/John_in Brisbane posted to http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=13397#122886

2322) MICHAEL FINNEGAN - norreen suppplied tif - NWC sent to Joe

files updated as of Sept 13, am (mudcat time)


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III
From: MMario
Date: 12 Sep 00 - 08:11 PM

NWC file of Michael Finnigin sent to Joe from a tif sent me by Noreen. Thanx Noreen!

it was heck at work today, so I didn't get the files completly updated, though there have been some new finds besides the above. will update tomorrow, promise! (unless it gets worse)


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III
From: MMario
Date: 11 Sep 00 - 10:10 AM


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III
From: Snuffy
Date: 11 Sep 00 - 10:04 AM

Barbara

I have been doing it in ABC, but I can make that ito a midi with no trouble.

Wassail! V


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate
Next Page

  Share Thread:
More...

Reply to Thread
Subject:  Help
From:
Preview   Automatic Linebreaks   Make a link ("blue clicky")


Mudcat time: 26 April 5:09 AM EDT

[ Home ]

All original material is copyright © 2022 by the Mudcat Café Music Foundation. All photos, music, images, etc. are copyright © by their rightful owners. Every effort is taken to attribute appropriate copyright to images, content, music, etc. We are not a copyright resource.