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Subject: Tony Rice
From: GUEST,SteveB
Date: 20 Oct 00 - 01:31 PM

I love Tony Rice's singing (as well as his playing) and I heard he had lost his singing voice.

Anyone know what happened or why he can't sing anymore?


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Subject: RE: Tony Rice
From: BlueJay
Date: 20 Oct 00 - 02:41 PM

Can't help. I tried searching for recent Tony Rice articles. If Tony Rice has indeed lost his voice, (what a shame if true), it could be due to anything from bronchitis to laryngeal cancer. In any case, I doubt that it would affect his guitar playing, which I've always rated to be among the best.

To lose his voice, if true is indeed a tragedy. I've always especially liked his vocal renderings of Gordon Lightfoot songs.


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Subject: RE: Tony Rice
From: mousethief
Date: 20 Oct 00 - 02:44 PM

Who's Tony Rice?

the cultural philistine,
Alex
O..O
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Subject: RE: Tony Rice
From: GUEST,SteveB
Date: 20 Oct 00 - 02:50 PM

Yes, I was just listening to "Blake and Rice" and the version of Lightfoots "I'm Not Saying" and also the tune "Ridge Road Gravel" and thinking about what a bummer it was...

For Alex, Tony Rice is a great flatpicking guitarist (who also had a really nice voice before it gave out for some reason),

If you love flatpicked guitar (Doc Watson, Norman Blake, etc.), check out his stuff....


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Subject: RE: Tony Rice
From: mousethief
Date: 20 Oct 00 - 02:51 PM

Thanks for the info (and for not treating me like an idiot for not knowing)!

Alex
O..O
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Subject: RE: Tony Rice
From: Little Neophyte
Date: 20 Oct 00 - 03:08 PM

Here is some more infor Alex.
This comes from my Tone Poems, The Sounds of the Great Vintage Guitars & mandolins CD.
Tony Rice arguably the greatest living practitioner of the art of bluegrass flatpicking. Toney Rice is a Grammy award-winning acoustic guitarist who has a world-famous tone.
In 1995, Tony became the original guitarist in the David Grisman Quintet, with which he helped to alter the course of American string band music.
After four years of touring and recording with David, Tony embarked on a solo career with his own "Tony Rice Unit" as well as numerous other recording projects such as the widely acclaimed "Bluegrass Album with his legendary 1935 Martin D-28 (formerly owned by Clarence White). This Tone Poems recording displays Tony's complete mastery of tone production on an extremely wide range of instruments including the current Santa Cruz model that bears his name.

Little Neo


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Subject: RE: Tony Rice
From: MK
Date: 20 Oct 00 - 06:02 PM

Tony Rice


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Subject: RE: Tony Rice
From: rangeroger
Date: 20 Oct 00 - 09:15 PM

It was my understanding that Tony's voice loss was due to larygeal cancer caused by cigarette smoking.A real shame, I also felt his voice was similar to Lightfoot's.The "Cold on the Shoulder" CD is a great example of his singing talents.

Bonnie, you might want to check your dates again. The first David Grisman Quintet album with Darol Anger,Tony Rice,David Grisman Bill Amatneek and Todd Phillips, came out in 1977.

Tony Rice was scheduled to play with Bela Fleck in the The Blugrass Sessions at Srawberry Music Festival last year, but the week before the festival he fell and broke his wrist.

Sure puts the damper on flatpickin'.

rr


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Subject: RE: Tony Rice
From: WyoWoman
Date: 20 Oct 00 - 09:36 PM

I heard him years ago at the Telluride Bluegrass Festival. Awesome. And in an amazing venue --

Very sorry to hear about the throat cancer. If anyone out there is still smoking ... Remember: It isn't too late...

ww


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Subject: RE: Tony Rice
From: Midchuck
Date: 20 Oct 00 - 09:51 PM

The word on the flatpick list is it was not throat cancer, but some sort of chronic inflammation of the vocal cords brought on by singing as much as he did with the voice forced up into a tenor range. I suspect it was aggravated by cigareets, but the claim that wasn't the primary cause.

Recent posts have indicated that he is now singing a few baritone parts at gigs with a group, after several years of not being able to sing at all.

All the above is second (at least) hand, however.

Peter.


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Subject: RE: Tony Rice
From: richlmo
Date: 21 Oct 00 - 12:47 AM

I had not heard about his singing problems. A real shame. I love his Gordon Lightfoot stuff. " Go My Way " and ' I'm Not saying" and "Home from the Forest" are some of my favorites. I think as for well known flatpickers he is the best technician. In my opinion he doesn't have Doc Watson's soul ( or pure enjoyment in what he's doing ) or Dan Crary's creativity, but I really enjoy a lot of his stuff. I really am sorry to find out about his voice. Wish him the best.


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Subject: RE: Tony Rice
From: WyoWoman
Date: 21 Oct 00 - 12:50 AM

Underscoring the importance of singing with support from our diaphragms and not using our throats to force a tone out. Really wracks the vocal chords ...

Still -- not too late to stop smoking ...

ww (yes, I used to. I'm not being a nag, just want us all to be around and healthy for a long, long time ...)


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Subject: RE: Tony Rice
From: richlmo
Date: 21 Oct 00 - 01:22 AM

Smokin will get you. I smoked for about 25 years. Quit about 5 years ago, the day I had my HEART ATTACK. And I'm still not 50. I can't sing nearly as well as I could 15 years ago. It's probably the stupidest thing we humans get ourselves into. Remember when you were 12 or 15 or whenever it was and how your body tried to tell you how wrong it was to suck smoke into your lungs? More important to be cool, I guess. Quit as soon as you can!

This has been a public service announcement>>>>>>>>


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Subject: RE: Tony Rice
From: Thyme2dream
Date: 21 Oct 00 - 01:50 AM

I had a J D Crowe album from about 20 years back that Tony Rice sang and played guitar on. He did a WONDERFUL version of Ian Tyson's song, Summer Wages. I sure hope the cancer rumours are inaccurate!


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Subject: RE: Tony Rice
From: Little Neophyte
Date: 21 Oct 00 - 02:04 AM

Ooooops, thanks rangroger.
I'm so bad with numbers, it is unbelievable.
I meant to type in 1975 Tony became the original guitarist in the David Grisman Quintet.


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Subject: RE: Tony Rice
From: Poo-Twa
Date: 21 Oct 00 - 02:35 AM

Some folks would say, "take away his voice and break his wrist, and Tony Rice is just another man". I think he'd put on a great show despite those limitations. Sorry to put him on a pedestal, but that's just how I feel. BlueJay


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Subject: RE: Tony Rice
From: rangeroger
Date: 21 Oct 00 - 09:38 AM

He does always put on a good show.

Another time when he was at Strawberry for a Spring festival ,the on-stage temperature was 32 degrees F. He was bundled up like a kid in a snow suit. His breath was solid steam. But a lot of the steam came from his hands, becuse he was pickin as fast and clean as he always does.

He also gave a workshop where he didn't play a single note. All he did was talk and answer questions. I have a tape of it and it is a great instructional tape.

"Timng,Tuning,and Intonation."

rr


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Subject: RE: Tony Rice
From: Jim the Bart
Date: 21 Oct 00 - 01:35 PM

Alex, thief of mice -
I just found Tony Rice a little while back, too, and my two favorite CD's by him are "Church Street Blues" - the title song is a killer - and "Tony Rice plays and sings bluegrass". Both show his singing and playing in the best possible light.

Bart


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Subject: RE: Tony Rice
From: John Hardly
Date: 21 Oct 00 - 02:52 PM

There is not a Tony Rice CD that would not be a candidate for my desert island ten list.--John


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Subject: RE: Tony Rice
From: ronnieron
Date: 21 Oct 00 - 07:16 PM

Every time I here Tony pick it makes me want to hang up my guitar at the same time it pushes to keep at it and maybe someday I'll be half as good. SOMEDAY.


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Subject: RE: Tony Rice
From: ronnieron
Date: 21 Oct 00 - 07:19 PM

I have to say I'm sorry for not putting a me after pushes I' new at this


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Subject: RE: Tony Rice
From: Jim the Bart
Date: 22 Oct 00 - 01:13 PM

Not to worry Ronnieron. Everybody typos - then apologizes. You get used "filling in the blanks".

I don't remember seeing your name here before, so welcome to the 'Cat from me.

Bart


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Subject: RE: Tony Rice
From: Jim the Bart
Date: 22 Oct 00 - 01:14 PM

Not to worry Ronnieron. Everybody typos - then apologizes. You get used "filling in the blanks".

I don't remember seeing your name here before, so welcome to the 'Cat from me.

Bart


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Subject: RE: Tony Rice
From: GUEST,SteveB
Date: 23 Oct 00 - 03:01 PM

Wow,

Thanks for all the responses.....that's scary. I don't smoke, but I did force my voice into a higher tenor than it is 'sposed to be in.

These days I try to sing more in my natural range and practice better technique. This is even better incentive though!

I can't sing as high as I could in the past, although I sing better in a lower range now.

Guess I'll be *real* careful from now on....

Steve


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Subject: RE: Tony Rice
From: GUEST,Steve
Date: 23 Oct 00 - 08:02 PM

Tony played here in LA last year as a duo with Peter Rowan. You might imagine how wonderful it was. At the very end of the concert he spoke one sentence (about how glad he felt to play back in So. Cal., near his home town) but his voice was still very gravelly. Don't know anything but rumors about the cause. Miss his voice, but playing is still straight from Heaven.


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Subject: RE: Tony Rice
From: GUEST,Dave
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 09:38 PM

Tony lost his voice due to a condition known as Dysphonia. As far as I can tell this is not a condition caused by smoking (not condoning, just clarifying). It is possible that this condition may have been caused by actual singing, but I don't know this foe sure.


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Subject: RE: Tony Rice-why no more singing?
From: pdq
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 10:02 PM

The term "dysphonia" is a general term for failure of the voice system to function.

Someone who cannot speak at all has "aphonia".

I believe that Tony Rice's singing problems have a psycological cause.

His brother Larry died a few years back from lung cancer, not throat cancer.


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Subject: RE: Tony Rice-why no more singing?
From: GUEST,A Sad Fan,,,With Faith,,
Date: 19 Mar 12 - 03:43 PM

It should not take a college professor to know that Tony Rice is suffering from some type of health problem . His videos from just a couple of years ago show how his age has advanced os quick.

I wish I had the miracle cure for all that suffer I would certainly take my cures to Tony Rice. My pray is that the lord will intervene and give Tony his health back . God gave Tony Rice the skills to play and bring the message of good songs and guitar picking to"us" the people, so let it be and let it happen again just like the shadows..


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Subject: RE: Tony Rice-why no more singing?
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Jun 14 - 11:46 PM

I Would like to know whats wrong love you tony


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Subject: RE: Tony Rice-why no more singing?
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Jun 14 - 04:53 AM

Just to correct some of the voice questions raised here (from someone recovering from dysphonia)

Central Dysphonia itself is loss of control of volume. That is caused partially by loss of control of support, and partially by loss of control of the resonance.

Voice is produced by vibrating the vocal chords using air from the lungs, controlled by the diaphragm and interstitial muscles between the ribs, which open and close the chest cavity. Support techniques allow greater movement in the diaphragm, but does not greatly change what I had to say in the last sentence. The sound produced is given tone by the space in the larynx, pharynx and sinuses, and to some extent other resonant spaces in the head and body. It is brought into speech by the tongue, lips and teeth. The volume, oddly enough, does not necessarily come from the amount of air put across the folds, but from how it is used.

I have three different tonal ranges to choose from, bass, baritone and tenor. The key determinant in this is actually the amount of space I use in the neck, and where I produce the resonance: bass is from below the diaphragm, baritone on it, tenor in the upper chest, resonating the body (a shape roughly like one of Dr Who's Sontarans), the lungs and my head space respectively. My clearest and loudest tone in all three is produced by directing the sound through the sinuses, without closing the soft palette (the cause of nasal tone).

My particular problem is that part of my larynx, the vestibular folds (also known as the false vocal folds) interfere with the vocal chords themselves, which lie immediately beneath. Their main function is to stop ingested substances from going down the windpipe, closing it while the glottis immediately above opens the oesophagus for swallowing, in the reverse mechanism, stopping us continuously swallowing air. I'm curing it by getting into the habit of keeping the folds open, but they do close during stress, which is a normal instinctual psycho-physiological reaction. Stage nerves can have a similar effect, making it difficult if not impossible to produce the sound you want, particularly when working in a tone different from that you habitually use.

Other problems can be caused by forcing the vocal chords continuously, causing callouses on the folds which can become pre-cancerous polyps. Rest can allow these to recover, but polyps usually need simple surgery, such as that which changed the tone of Frank Sinatra's voice between the start and core of his career.


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Subject: RE: Tony Rice-why no more singing?
From: PHJim
Date: 04 Jun 14 - 08:26 AM

Here's a NY Times article on Tony:

Tony Rice article from February, 2014


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Subject: RE: Tony Rice-why no more singing?
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 04 Jun 14 - 10:20 AM

Jim, Thanks for that link. Excellent article.


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