Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: pavane Date: 01 Aug 01 - 07:07 AM I have a tape of someone singing (in a folk club) 'My Johnny was a shoemaker' to a tune quite different to the one used by Steeleye Span, and with the last line of each verse repeated as a chorus. Does anyone know where it might have come from? |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario Date: 19 Mar 01 - 01:49 PM Thanks bruce - |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: GUEST,Bruce O. Date: 19 Mar 01 - 01:35 PM In fact those notes should be tossed out. I used angle brackets to denote titles, ok if you download DT, but on the web they get interpreted as nonsensical HTML and give an incomprehenize mess.
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: GUEST,Bruce O. Date: 19 Mar 01 - 01:30 PM MMario, Notes - Larry Grogan/ Aileen Aroon, and Fyvie O/Peggy of Derby got put in DT separated from the songs. Songs and tunes are in DT (and on my website) |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario Date: 19 Mar 01 - 12:16 PM part six
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario Date: 16 Mar 01 - 10:30 PM I believe so snuffy - wish I had bookmarked the reference that pointed me to the hymn tune! |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: Snuffy Date: 16 Mar 01 - 06:37 PM 2455) THE NANNY'S HYMN - variation on southern harmony hymn "Prospect" - the DT entry says "To the tune of the Seaman's Hymn". From the words and structure of the Nanny's Hymn, it could be the same as 3092) THE SEAMEN'S HYMN - DT says "written by Bert Lloyd for a BBC docudrama; tune from a welsh hymn"
Is Prospect the same tune that Lloyd used?
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario Date: 16 Mar 01 - 03:42 PM 2525) NOWHERE MAN - NWC file sent to Joe 2538) O, FOR ANE AND TWENTY, TAM - NWC file sent to Joe 2563) OH! BOYS CARRY ME 'LONG - NWC file sent to Joe both the "missing tunes" and the "found tunes" files updated. |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario Date: 15 Mar 01 - 04:56 PM also sent joe an NWC file of Nelson's Farewell - converted from Snuffy's abc posted in that other thread where abc's get posted. |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario Date: 15 Mar 01 - 04:39 PM 2444) MY SWEETHEART WENT DOWN WITH THE MAINE ~levy box 86 item 59 - NWC file sent to Joe 2445) MY SWEETHEART'S THE MAN IN THE MOON ~ levy box 142 item 112 - NWC file sent to Joe 2451) McSORLEY'S TWINS - Music for the Nation - NWC file sent to Joe 2455) THE NANNY'S HYMN - variation on southern harmony hymn "prospect" - NWC file to Joe 2480) THE NEW MORNING DEW - NWC file sent to Joe 2505) NOAH'S ARK SHANTY - tune = roll the cotton down - NWC file sent to Joe. 2510) NOBODY KNOWS YOU WHEN YOU'RE DOWN AND OUT-NWC file sent to Joe files updated |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 14 Mar 01 - 07:26 PM Matching lyrics can indeed be a real bugger, especially when it turns out to be the wrong tune, though sharing a title; it's also often the case that people have transcribed lyrics so badly that they wouldn't fit the right tune anyway! If I can't match them, I don't post them; when I can, I usually specify any changes I've made. If you do sometimes have trouble fitting the two, please feel free to ask me for a second opinion; I'm certainly no expert, but appear to be developing a (probably regrettable) talent for such things... Malcolm |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario Date: 14 Mar 01 - 04:02 PM there's another 26 songs! see - it's easy. Well - reasonably easy. But as Joe can tell you - matching lyrics to some of these tunes ain't easy. (I'm inundating him.....chortle, chortle, chortle) The most frustrating ones are ones that you can SING to the tune - but can't fit the bleedin' lyrics to the dots. if I seem to be babbling - I probably am - couple more postings to this thread and will roll over to another new one. Did I mention the updated tune files are available anytime anyone tells me they want them, assuming I have your e-mail? requests can be PM'd to me and/or e-mail lpola@edutech.org |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario Date: 14 Mar 01 - 03:57 PM Thanks snuffy - I've updated the files with those changes plus... 2278) MARY'S DREAM - NWC file sent to JOe 2291) MAY MORNING CAROL - tentative midi sent to Joe 2381) MOTHER, I COME HOME TO DIE - levy box 93, item 39 - NWC file sent to Joe 2382) MOTHER, MAY I GO OUT TO SWIM (BATHING SONG) - from Bruce O's site - NWC file sent to Joe 2435) MY MASTER AND I - NWC file sent to Joe
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: Snuffy Date: 13 Mar 01 - 07:08 PM 1130 FIGHT FIERCELY, HARVARD! - MusicEase file sent to Dick Greenhaus 1854 JIMMY BROWN THE NEWSBOY - MusicEase file sent to Dick Greenhaus
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario Date: 13 Mar 01 - 03:10 PM 1991) LADDY LYE NEAR ME - see songfile ladlinr2 2259) MARCHING THROUGH ROCHESTER - see tunefile WALTZMAT - NWC file sent to Joe 1999) LADY KEITH'S LAMENT - NWC file sent to joe 2000) THE LADY LEROY - NWC files sent to joe 2001) THE LADY LEROY 2 - NWC file sent to joe 2002) LADY MARGARET - NWC file sent to Joe 2200) LUCKY LINDY - on alan's midi page - sent by J_I_B files updated |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario Date: 12 Mar 01 - 08:21 AM Thanks again Malcolm - files updated. |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 12 Mar 01 - 12:10 AM 3009) ROSIE ANDERSON Two very similar tune variants from the James Duncan collection were published in the Folk Music Journal of 1966. I've gone for the one noted from Mrs. Gillespie in 1905; she had learnt it from her mother. Patrick Shuldham Shaw commented: "It appears that Rosie Anderson was the daughter of a Perth merchant. She was married at the age of sixteen to another merchant of Perth, Thomas Hay Anderson, a former Lord Provost of the city. The Lord Elgin mentioned was probably the seventh Earl (1766-1841) who, when British Ambassador at Constantinople, secured and brought home the famous Greek sculptures, now in the British Museum, known as the 'Elgin Marbles'." 3435) THREE JOLLY SPORTSMEN Though the original poster of this text put in a plug for her singing group, she neglected to credit her source. The song was in fact noted (as Three Jolly Huntsmen) by Dr. George Gardiner from William Taylor in Petersfield Workhouse, Hampshire, in 1908. Midi made from the notation in Frank Purslow's Marrowbones (EFDS 1965). The DT transcription contains a number of errors of no great importance. 1990) LADDIE WITH THE GOLDEN HAIR This is an incomplete set of Henry Whyte ("Fionn")'s English version of the Scottish Gaelic song Oigfear A' Chùil-Dualaich. Midi made from the notation in Alfred Moffat's Minstrelsy of the Scottish Highlands. I have posted both Gaelic and English texts to a new thread: Laddie With the Golden Hair. (With a temporary link to the midi until it gets to the Mudcat pages.) Malcolm |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario Date: 08 Mar 01 - 03:46 PM 3101) SENOR DON GATO - tune posted in thread http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=162&messages=60 - per joe submitted 1806) IT'S HARD TO BE HUMBLE - NWC file sent to Joe 1807) IT'S HARD TO BE HUMBLE (2) - NWC file sent to Joe 2557) OH LORD, IT'S HARD TO BE HUMBLE - NWC file sent to Joe 1820) JACK IN THE GREEN - NWC file sent to JOe files updated |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario Date: 07 Mar 01 - 04:23 PM 1693) I'LL HAE NAE MAIR O' YER CHEESE - nwc file sent to joe 1767) IN PRAISE OF CHRISTMAS - see tunefile [allhail files updated. |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario Date: 07 Mar 01 - 02:16 PM 1649) I KNOW AN OLD CANALLER - see songfile[SIMONSLK 1684) I WONDER WHEN I SHALL BE MARRIED - NWC file sent to Joe 1687) I WOULD NOT DIE IN SUMMER TIME - NWC file sent to Joe files updated. |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario Date: 07 Mar 01 - 09:45 AM the "Missing tunes" and "Found Tune" files have been updated. Just for FYI - latest estimates show 1325 tunes found out of the original 3874 for a 34.2 percent completion. not bad! |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 05 Mar 01 - 12:39 PM 3774) WILLIE'S FATAL VISIT The DT text is taken from Child, and there is no tune recorded for it. Bronson prints one from Christie's Traditional Ballad Airs (1876); Christie's text is similar (he said that he learned it from his paternal grandmother), so this is the closest match we are likely to get. Christie gives a second, variational strain to the melody, which apparantly was a habit of his; Bronson makes clear his opinion that these second strains were usually of Christie's own invention: I have therefore made a midi of the first strain only, and omitted Christie's decorations, which are also, presumably, editorial. This gives us a four-line melody; the first verse of the Child text is of six lines, so the second two melody lines should be repeated to accommodate the words in that case. 2262) MARRIAGE OF SIR GAWAINE There is no known tune for this ballad. Bronson gives what may perhaps be a very distant American relative, but is not entirely convinced that there is a real connection; best just to give up on this one. 1054) FAIR MARY OF WALLINGTON The text in the DT is Child's example #91C. Bronson comments: "The only trace of a tune for this ballad is connected with a traditional Norfolk version, beginning My father was the first good man, which was being sung in the early nineteenth century to some form of O Ponder Well. (Notes and Queries, series 2, XX, p.193)." Under the entry for The Hunting of the Cheviot (Child #162), Bronson comments further that this tune was used in The Beggar's Opera, and also sometimes used for The Children in the Wood, and refers to a version printed by Bruce and Stokoe in Northumbrian Minstrelsy (1882). I have made a midi, then, from the notation in that book. In order for the text of the first verse to fit, "seven" needs to be taken as one syllable ("se'en"); I have also split the eighth note at the beginning of line 3 into two sixteenth notes. Though we now have a singable set, it should be stressed that the joining of text and melody is pure conjecture, though based on Bronson's research: there is no evidence that this version of the ballad (or any of the other versions in Child) were ever sung to this particular melody. 1165) FLODDEN FIELD According to Bronson, there is no tune known for this. LULLIN' THE LITTLIN' This isn't in the DT yet, but is marked as harvested. Midi made from the notation in Isla St.Clair's The Song and the Story (1981). LITTLE CHANCE This isn't in the DT yet, and isn't marked as harvested, either, but it's well worth it. Midi made from the notation in A.L. Lloyd's Folk Song in England (source, Jack Elliott of Birtley). 2338) MILLER TAE MY TRADE The DT text was taken from a recording by Ray Fisher, who learnt it from Lucy Stewart of Fetterangus. I don't have this version, though I have heard Ray sing it. Midi made from the notation in Sheila Douglas' The Sang's The Thing (1992) of a set from Willie MacKenzie of Elgin. The tune has had to be modified to accommodate the DT text (and my memory of tune and phrasing); specifically: Bar 11: second quarter-note ("trade") split into two eighths ("trade, aye") Bar 13: two eighth-notes ("made, an'") combined into one quarter ("made.") Bar 14: first (quarter) note replaced by one eighth; fourth (eighth) note replaced by one quarter. Bar 15: third (quarter) note changed to three-eighths; final note removed. Bar 16: one eighth rest and two eighth notes (A) interpolated at the beginning; original first note (quarter) replaced by two eighths, the second raised to A. The rest is unchanged, but obviously runs into an extra bar. 2953) ROBIN CAM' TO THE WREN'S DOOR Two variants are given in the DT file, one apparantly from the singing of Mrs. Burns. Another variant was contributed by Burns to the Scots Musical Museum; midi made from the notation in James Kinsley's Burns: Poems and Songs (OUP, 1971) and slightly modified in one place to accommodate the words. 2923) REYNARD THE FOX (3) More usually known as You Gentlemen of High Renown (not Reknown, as the file has it!) This appears to be the version recorded by The Young Tradition, who called it The Fox Hunt. The tune they used (I don't know where they got it) is fairly different from the Copper Family tune, though obviously a close relative. Midi made by ear from the YT's recording, with the usual caveat as to the accuracy of my ear and my knowledge of musical theory. The YT sang "brush" rather than "slabs" in the final verse, incidentally. 3172) SKEWBALL DT text apparantly transcribed by ear from a Steeleye Span record. There are a number of mistakes, beginning with the layout, which shows the song as eleven 2-line stanzas, where it should be six of four lines each. Bearing this in mind: Verse 1 line 3: "Oh, the marvel" should be Arthur Marvel Verse 4. The second half is missing, and should read: Up spoke the noble horse, "Ride on, my noble master For we're halfway round the course, and now we'll see who's faster." Verse 5 line 1: "for they have 200 guineas" should be for the good Two Hundred Guineas Verse 5 line 2: "The settle shall be of gold when we become the winners" should be (And) the saddle shall be of gold when we pick up our winnings S. Span said nothing about their source in their sleevenotes; in fact they got it from A.L. Lloyd, who remarked "This version is Irish in origin". Midi made from a transcription in The Song and the Story by Isla St. Clair and David Turnbull (1981). 2411) MY COLLIER LADDIE This is the version published by Burns, though the DT file makes no mention of him. Midi made from the notation in Kinsley's Burns: The Poems and Songs (1969). 1051) FAIR ELIZA This is the version published by Burns, though the DT file makes no mention of him. Midi made from the notation in Kinsley's Burns: The Poems and Songs (1969). Further to FAREWEILL TAE WHISKY/ JOHNNY MY MAN above, I now also have Belle Stewart's version, which she learnt from her brother, Donald MacGregor (Till Doomsday in the Afternoon,MacColl & Seeger, 1986) . It's different enough from the Ord set to warrant posting as an alternative, so I'll send that in too. Malcolm |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario Date: 01 Mar 01 - 02:42 PM 1138) FINLANDIA - NWC file sent to Joe 1239) THE FROGGY HE - NWC file sent to Joe files updated. |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario Date: 28 Feb 01 - 04:22 PM 355) Black Socks - NWC sent to Joe 1887) JOHNNY MY MAN - NWC file sent to Joe - see also midi by malcolm 1086) FAREWEILL TAE WHISKY - NWC sent to Joe ;midi by malcolm sent to alan 1090) THE FAREWELL SHANTY - NWC file sent to Joe 1094) FAREWELL TO THE GOLD - NWC file sent to Joe 1103) FARNESOL - see jingle bells 2177) LOUDON HILL OR DRUMCLOG - see songfile [LOUDNHIL 1080) FAR EAST KITCHEN - see northwest passage files updated |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 28 Feb 01 - 01:55 PM 2216) MACUSHLA Midi made from sheet music found at the Lester Levy Collection. Vocal line only, though the key-shift in the second part sounds rather odd without the prescribed piano accompaniment. NOTE: Ralph Butts, who transcribed the text for the DT has omitted a line from the first verse: "I hear its dear pleading; my blue-eyed Macushla," needs to be inserted before the 6th line in the DT file. Malcolm |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario Date: 28 Feb 01 - 11:42 AM !! We both picked the same day to do "Fareweill tae whisky" !! Ya beat me tho' files updated. |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 28 Feb 01 - 11:37 AM I neglected to mention that the tune will also serve for 1887) JOHNNY MY MAN The DT text was transcribed from a Jean Redpath record which I don't have, but there is, so far as I know, only one tune for this song; since we cannot know whose variant (I have notation for a further 4) was used for either, Ord's is good enough. Redpath has "Maggie" rather than "Jean", too, so perhaps it's more common than I'd thought. Malcolm |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 28 Feb 01 - 11:26 AM 2177) LOUDON HILL OR DRUMCLOG The text in this file is a duplicate of THE BATTLE OF LOUDON HILL. It might be best simply to delete it, but if not, a cross-reference to the tune in the other file would do the trick. 1086) FAREWEILL TAE WHISKY Matt was going to do this one, but hasn't done so far. On examination, it turns out to bear no relation at all to the well-known Niel Gow tune which I (and perhaps Matt, too) had supposed it to be; it is in fact a version of the song usually called Johnnie My Man. The DT text is quoted from memory, having been learned from a folk-club singer in the late 1960s, which presumably accounts for the eccentric spelling! Remembered remarkably well, actually, though verses 2 and 3 as given here should really be in reverse order, and the wife's name is usually Jean rather than Maggie. Midi made from the notation in Ord's Bothy Songs and Ballads, 1930, with a couple of notes split to accommodate the DT text. I've set the midi to play at half-speed, as it's usually sung a lot more slowly nowadays than it used to be. Malcolm |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario Date: 27 Feb 01 - 04:11 PM I PM'd MaestroK. 557) CALYPSO - NWC file sent to Joe 994) EL CONDOR PASA - NWC file sent to Joe files updated |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: Maestrok Date: 26 Feb 01 - 11:47 PM Need chords or midi for Vatican Rag. filename [VATIRAG |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario Date: 26 Feb 01 - 09:45 AM thank you Malcolm - files updated to reflect the latest "finds"
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 25 Feb 01 - 11:43 PM 3265) STEPMOTHER'S CRUELTY Some searching through Child and the Bodleian reveals that this is properly called (The) Lady Isabella's Tragedy, or, The Stepmother's Cruelty. This one is a bit of a problem. It's a broadside text, not a song collected from tradition, and it is often quite impossible to determine to what tune (if any!) such things were sung. As it happens, there are two broadside copies at the Bodleian Library which specify tunes; one names "Fair Rosamond, or Chevy Chase", the other "The Ladies Fall". Some poking around at Bruce Olson's website turns up two "Chevy Chase" tunes, and a cross-reference from "Lady's Fall" to "In Peascod Time". A reference to another broadside specifies its tune as "Chevy Chase, or the Lady Isabell's Tragedy", so a "Chevy Chase" tune, of which there are many variants, looks on balance like the best bet. The two Bruce has are (B063) from an MS and (B064) from the Percy Collection: of these, and this is a purely subjective judgement, the first seems to have more the kind of flavour that goes with murder, cannibalism and getting boiled in lead, so I have made a midi from it. In order to fit the broadside text to it, it has been necessary to modify the tune slightly; specifically, the final quarter-note in bar 2 has been split into 2 eighth-notes of the same pitch, and the final note of each of the two lines, given in Bruce's abc file as one three-quarter note and a half-note of the same pitch have been replaced in each case by one whole note and a quarter rest. I have also transposed the tune down by one octave to bring it into what I hope is an easier range. While this makes a singable piece, I must emphasise that it's only an approximate guess at what might have been; I wouldn't want anyone at any point to think that this is THE TUNE; just a possibility.
3562) UP IN THE NORTH This is the version collected by John Baldwin from Freda Palmer of Witney, Oxfordshire, in 1969; a recording by Linda Adams of this version is the source of the DT text. Midi made from the notation in The Folk Music Journal, volume 1 number 4 (1969). Baldwin transposed Mrs. Palmer's tune from A Flat to G; I have retained this. The song has different numbers of lines from verse to verse; these are accommodated by repeating or omitting phrases as required. Malcolm |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 24 Feb 01 - 04:58 PM The following midis were made from notation in My Song Is My Own (ed. Kathy Henderson et al., 1979): 2833) PRINCE HEATHEN This is the re-write made from traditional texts and a Hungarian analogue by A.L. Lloyd; presumably he put the tune to it. It belongs to the Cruel Mother/Hind Horn tune family. 3368) TESTIMONY OF PATIENCE KERSHAW Words and music by Frank Higgins, 1969. 487) BRIDGET AND THE PILL Words by Brian Pearson, 1968; set to a traditional tune that I can't quite put a name to at the moment. 898) DON'T GET MARRIED GIRLS Words and music by Leon Rosselson, 1973. Malcolm |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario Date: 23 Feb 01 - 04:00 PM 915) DOODLE LET ME GO (Yeller Gals)- two version sent as NWC to Joe 960) THE DUMMY LINE - turkey in the straw - NWC file sent to Joe files updated |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario Date: 22 Feb 01 - 04:06 PM 895) DON'T BET YOUR MONEY ON DE SHANGHAI -sent NWC file to joe 690) COME AND DINE - NWC file sent to Joe 879) DIXIE, THE LAND OF KING COTTON -NWC file sent to JOe 887) DOCTOR IN FIFE - sent NWC file to Joe files updated |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario Date: 21 Feb 01 - 12:41 PM it's been a good morning. 640) A CHURCHY BALLAD - see also Song from Lucifer's Hammer - NWC sent to Joe 683) THE COLORED BRIGADE - NWC file sent to Joe 687) COME ALL YOU LOYAL LOVERS - two NWC files sent to Joe 2609) AN OLD LOG CABIN FOR SALE-Dale Rose will send to Joe files updated. |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario Date: 20 Feb 01 - 09:22 AM files updated. |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: Snuffy Date: 18 Feb 01 - 07:49 PM 357) BLACKBIRD - posted to Tune Add: Please Post Tunes Here -2 1183) THE FOLK SONG ARMY - MusicEase file with lyrics e-mailed to Dick Greenhaus Wassail! V
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: Snuffy Date: 18 Feb 01 - 09:19 AM 1040) EVERYTHING GLOWS 1987) LA MARSEILLAISE posted to Tune Add: Please Post Tunes Here -2 Wassail! V |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario Date: 15 Feb 01 - 04:36 PM 799) DARBY AND JOAN- NWC file sent to Joe 772) THE CUCKOO IS A FUNNY BIRD- NWC file sent to Joe 707) COMING TO US DEAD - see songfile comedead 780) DADDY PLAYED FIRST BASE - see "Daddy Played Bass" files updated |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario Date: 15 Feb 01 - 09:54 AM files updated. |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 13 Feb 01 - 11:00 PM Additional to my comments on John Barleycorn above: Though Steeleye Span took the trouble on this occasion to acknowledge their source, and even dedicated their arrangement of the song to Margaret Hamer, they failed to quote Billy Bartle's words accurately, so the midi I've made is an uneasy compromise between the song as collected and their arrangement of it. No notes have been altered in pitch, but several have been lengthened (two 1/8 notes combined to form one 1/4 note) in order to match the tune to the text as given in the DT file. Bartle's version began:
There were three men came from the North,
These lines were spoken. S. Span substituted "West" for "North".
The lyrics I give with the midi are those for the first sung verse plus chorus. S. Span changed Bartle's words, and the DT transcriber ( or his/her source) changed them too:
They laid him in three furrows deep,
(Bartle)
They laid him in three furrows deep,
(Steeleye Span)
They plowed him in three furrows deep,
(DT text)
The embedded lyrics are those given in the DT, though I have changed the spelling of the nonsense words in the chorus back to those originally noted by Hamer.
1408) GREENLAND BOUND Version from A.L. Lloyd. The contributor mentions "an inferior variant in Ord, Bothy Ballads"; I don't see a great deal to choose between the two sets of very similar lyrics, though arguably the Lloyd set flows a little better as narrative. It seems likely that the tune will have been much the same (Ord, for example, got his tune from a lady in Saltcoats who had noted it from "an old gentleman whose grandmother used to sing it to him in his early childhood", and remarked that it was identical to the one he remembered from the North-East 40 years previously) so I've made a midi of Ord's tune. Unfortunately I've had to split a number of notes into two in order to accommodate Lloyd's rather uneven lines, but it can't be helped.
3013) ROULEZ, JEUNES GENS, ROULEZ! Midi made from a recording by "The Shanty Crew" (Stand To Yer Ground, Screw Productions PROP 1885A, 1989). It was collected in Haute-Normandie (Seine Maritime) by Michel Colleu from Captain Vedieu (Saint-Pierre-en-Port, 1974) and M. Cuvier (Eletot, 1976). NOTE: "voiles d'été" ("summer sails") in the DT text should be "voiles d'étai ("staysails").
1553) HIND HORN The DT text appears to be Child's example H, which was taken from Buchan's Ballads of the North of Scotland (1828), though the spelling has been anglicised in parts and there are some minor alterations of words and a few typos; verses 23 and 24 have been omitted:
He took nane frae Peter nor frae Paul,
And frae them all he would take nane,
No tune is recorded for this particular version, but Bronson gives 23 variants. After some thought I have decided to go for his example 10, which comes from the Greig MSS., II, p.12, and was sung by Mrs. Rettie of Milbrex, in September 1906. Midi made from the notation of this; in order to accommodate the DT text, I have in two places split 1/2 notes into pairs of one 3/8 and one 1/8. Buchan and Child print the text in two-line stanzas, so there are two possibilities for matching it to the four-line tune; either in groups of two stanzas, or with an interleaved refrain such as that which occurs in many versions (see for example Hind Horn (2) ) -in many cases, the early collectors didn't bother to print such refrains. My feeling is that the narrative flow of this particular version works better without a refrain, so the midi contains text of verses 1 and 2 matched to the melody.
3123) THE SHEPHERD'S WIFE This is Robert Burns' rewrite of a traditional song, though the DT entry makes no mention of him. An earlier version and a bowdlerisation may be seen under
1658) I MAUN HAE MY GOON MADE The tune prescribed for this song is the same as that used for Let Me in this Ae Nicht. John of Brisbane sent a midi to Alan some months ago, but it hasn't appeared on the midi pages yet; a cross-reference should suffice when it does. |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario Date: 13 Feb 01 - 02:53 PM 1615) HUSH-A-BYE, MY BAIRNIE - midi sent to alan - Malcolm? 544) CAGARAN GAOLACH - midi sent to alan - Malcolm? files updated (Better late then never, I guess) |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario Date: 12 Feb 01 - 04:01 PM 228) BAMBOO BRIER - see bramble briar or Bruton Town 254) BARNACLE BILL THE SAILOR (2)- see songfile barnbill 3013) ROULEZ, JEUNES GENS, ROULEZ! - malcolm will have sent to Alan 422) BONNIE KELLSWATER - NWC file sent to joe 3014) ROUND AND ROUND THE EARTH IS TURNING - NWC sent to Joe -from Animaterra 224) BALLINDERRY - NWC file sent to Joe files updated |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario Date: 12 Feb 01 - 08:38 AM files updated. |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario Date: 11 Feb 01 - 04:15 PM FALSE SIR JOHN 2 - Child 4C; Bronson 4.83 - NWC file sent to Joe |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 10 Feb 01 - 05:00 PM 686) COME ALL YOU GARNERS GAY This was recorded by Fred Hamer in 1960 from William (Billy) Bartle of Wrestlingworth in Bedfordshire. Midi made from the notation in Hamer's book Garners Gay (EFDS Publications 1967). Billy Bartle may be heard singing it on A Century of Song (EFDSSCD02, 1998).
Although it's not on the missing list, this would be the moment to add another tune for JOHN BARLEYCORN, which seems to be a hybrid text. Verses 2, 3, 6 and 7, and the chorus, appear to be from the version of the song recorded by Fred Hamer in 1960 from William (Billy) Bartle of Wrestlingworth in Bedfordshire, of which Steeleye Span recorded an arrangement. Verses 1, 4 and 5 appear to have been added from other versions. The tune given is the best-known one, essentially the same as the one given in the Penguin Book of English Folk Song, and does not fit the text. Midi made from the notation in Hamer's book Garners Gay (EFDS Publications 1967).
2443) MY SON JOHN Transcribed from a record by Tim Hart and Maddy Prior: this was their arrangement of a song collected by Fred Hamer from David Parrott of Bedfordshire in the 1920s. I think they modified the tune a bit, but I haven't heard it in years; midi made from the notation in Hamer's book, as above. Hamer commented: Malcolm |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario Date: 09 Feb 01 - 02:21 PM 58) ALL THE GOOD TIMES ARE PAST AND GONE - NWC file sent to Joe 169) BABBITY BOWSTER -NWC sent to Joe files updated |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario Date: 07 Feb 01 - 03:11 PM 1633) I CARE NOT FOR THESE LADIES - NWC file sent to Joe files updated.
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario Date: 07 Feb 01 - 10:49 AM 1646) I HEARD A COW LOW - see songfile elfanurs |
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