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Subject: Bill Caddick's The Writing of Tipperary
From: Gervase
Date: 23 Apr 01 - 06:08 AM

Can anyone provide me with the lyrics and tune to Caddick's song, as I can't seem to find them in the forums or the DT.
Also any biographical info on Jack Judge would be much appreciated. Ta muchly.


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Subject: Lyr Add: THE WRITING OF TIPPERARY (Bill Caddick)
From: Gervase
Date: 23 Apr 01 - 06:40 AM

Got the lyrics, thanks to Google - but any further info on Judge would still be appreciated (and also whether the song was truly popular in France, or whether it was more of a home-front hit).

THE WRITING OF TIPPERARY
(Bill Caddick)

King Edward the Seventh, who some called The Peace Maker, died back in nineteen-and-ten,
He was buried at Windsor and in the procession rode the noblest and highest of men,
There were nine crowned kings and thirty proud princes, leaders of many's the land,
And old 'Kaiser Bill' rode next to King George, with his Field Marshall's baton in hand,
Crippen was caught that very same year, Haley's Comet flashed by,
And the first of the labour exchanges was opened, the year the old king died.

The Sidney Street siege brought nineteen-eleven, when anarchy died in the flames,
In London, in June, King George and his queen played the coronation game,
"A place in the sun ", said The Kaiser in Hamburg, launching his new battle ships,
King George made India, Ireland and Wales, places for right royal trips,
Titanic was launched on the day of The Derby, London's last horse bus was shelved,
The suffragettes marched demanding their rights, then in came nineteen-and-twelve.

Jack Judge went down to West Bromwich town, to welcome a brand new year,
He went to a pub, to have a little sup, 'cause he liked his pint of beer,
When he'd had a drink he started to sing and he raised his voice on high,
My name's Jack Judge, I'll write you a song, from Oldbury town come I.

Now a Birmingham man was standing near and he heard what Jack did say,
"A pound to a penny", he says to Jack, "you can't write a song in a day",
Jack just laughed, sang another song and he says: "I'll take you on,
This afternoon I'll write you a song and I'll sing it 'fore the day is done".

Jack laughed again, sang another song, drank another pint of beer,
Then he caught a train to Stalybridge where that night he was due to appear,
And the very first day of nineteen-twelve old Jack Judge won his bet,
And the song he made and he sang that day we never will forget.

In March nineteen-twelve brave Scott and his comrades died while the snow storm roared,
And later that year the good General Booth, finally laid down his sword,
There were riots in Ireland concerning home rule, Mrs. Pankhurst was in prison again,
And Wilbur Wright died, the first of the fliers, as the Royal Flying Corps was named,
Titanic went down in the spring of that year, taking one thousand, five hundred lives,
And the Balkan states blazed from border to border, as death began sharpening his knives.

Of the nineteen-ten monarchs who mourned for King Edward, in nineteen-thirteen few survived.
Though some of them lived to a peaceful old age, assassins took many's the life,
Death came calmly to China and Sweden, but elsewhere the murderer's hand,
Struck The Pasha of Turkey, The King of the Greeks, while Spain pursued death's plan.
The armies of Europe paraded and postured, the stock-pile of weapons increased,
At the Hague, as if in grim desperation, they opened The Palace of Peace.

In nineteen-fourteen, with more suffragettes marching, the Arch-Duke of Austria was slain,
In less than two months all Europe was marching, death was in business again,
Many's the young man, from many's the family, willingly gave of his all,
They died in the millions for dubious victory, answering Kitchener's call.
But as they marched off to the trains and the troop ships, they sang as they hurried along,
And the words echo back from the graveyards of Flanders, singing old Jack Judges song -

It's a long way to Tipperary, it's a long way to go,
It's a long way to Tipperary, to the sweetest girl I know,
Good-bye Piccadilly, farewell Leicester Square,
It's a long, long, way to Tipperary, but my heart lies there.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bill Caddick's The Writing of Tipper
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Apr 01 - 09:30 AM

Here is a page about a Jack Judge biography, but it doesn't seem to be in print, and I can't find it at the British Library. Don't know if it will help, Inter Library Loan perhaps, it may be a local publication. Click here


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bill Caddick's The Writing of Tipper
From: GUEST,Greyeyes
Date: 23 Apr 01 - 09:36 AM

that was me.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bill Caddick's The Writing of Tipper
From: GUEST,Matt_R
Date: 23 Apr 01 - 10:38 AM

Seamus Kennedy does a kickass version of this!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bill Caddick's The Writing of Tipper
From: Gervase
Date: 23 Apr 01 - 11:25 AM

Thanks for that Greyeyes - filled in a few gaps very neatly.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bill Caddick's The Writing of Tipper
From: Susanne (skw)
Date: 23 Apr 01 - 06:39 PM

Here's some of what I found out about the events mentioned in the song. I'll post it here as 'W' is the one letter missing from Henry's Songbook.

[c. 1978:] [Jack Judge, the author of It's a Long Way To Tipperary'] is now immortalised in song, for earlier this year Wolverhampton folk singer Bill Caddick, former member of Magic Lantern, wrote a song about 'the writing of Tipperary'. Says Bill, I was looking through a book called 'The Black Country' by Edward Chitham and saw a brief mention about Jack Judge and his wager. It struck me as a good idea and I decided to try and write a short song about it. Which I did. - Then I was looking through another book which someone had given me, 'The Silver Jubilee Book', which covers the major national events of the early 1900s, and I wrote a song about this. The First World War marked an end of an era because no end of songs and dances died out during the war and the years leading up to it. However, few songs have been written about that era. After writing these two songs I realised that the writing of Tipperary was a very small event in the midst of all the world events of that time, yet it probably had more effect than all the rest, so I tried to join both songs together as one. Although, at first, I thought it was too long and cumbersome I found it worked and that's how The Writing of Tipperary evolved. And as one line in Bill's song says of Judge, "The song he made and sang that day, we never shall forget." (Folk Review, ???)

[1989:] I discovered that Tipperary in the song had nothing to do with the town Tipperary in Ireland. 'Tipperary' was the name the soldiers gave to the brothel area of Soho in London before the start of the First World War, and that's why they sang it. (Intro Iain MacKintosh)

[1990:] Tipperary was actually written in 1912, and was sung even in the army before the war. [...] It is probably not quite true to claim globally, that 'troops came to loathe it' or 'were nauseated by it'. Doubtless it was heard too often, and became simply boring, but although its triviality seems inappropriate to the war in which it is now so firmly embedded, it became a war song just as much as any regimental march. [...] The song as such tells of an Irishman wanting to return to his own country. But in its reception by soldiers from England in 1914 the emphasis was - as has been pointed out - on the farewell to Piccadilly, Leicester Square, and so on, as well as on the abstracted notions of 'it's a long way to go' and 'my heart's right there'. (Murdoch, Fighting Songs 72f)

[1990:] It's A Long Way To Tipperary is commonly regarded as being the song of the First World War. It has a catchy tune; it had been the hit song of 1913 and, in those days before the advent of electronic mass-entertainment, its appeal had by no means worn out a year later [...]. Those soldiers certainly sang it and the circumstances caught the popular imagination and made the song immortal. But Tipperary was a soldiers' song only briefly and by association. It was as remote from the experience of the First World War as two decades later the anodyne sentiments of The White Cliffs of Dover [...]. (A Long Way To Tipperary soon descended on the lips of the soldiers to a parody of which the only printable lines were "That's the wrong way to tickle Mary, it's the wrong way, you know".) (Lyn Macdonald in Palmer, Lovely War 1)

Not much about Jack Judge, I'm afraid, but I was interested to hear a biography of him exists.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bill Caddick's The Writing of Tipper
From: Gervase
Date: 24 Apr 01 - 01:07 PM

Suzanne, that's marvellous. Many thanks.
For my sins, I've been dragooned into giving a talk on the songs of the Great War at the National Army Museum this Thursday (talk about short notice!), and your info is a great help.
If anyone feels like turning up to hurl abuse, it's in the main lecture theatre at the museum on Royal Hospital Road, Chelsea, at 1pm.


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Subject: add - Wrong Way to Tickle Mary
From: Joybell
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 10:37 PM

Just for the record here are the words to the parody verse mentioned above. Given to me by a lady in a Melbourne nursing home. She said her mother taught them to her.

That's the wrong way to tickle Mary,
That's the wrong way to kiss!
Don't you know that over here, lad,
They like it best like this!
Hooray pour le Francais!
Farewell, Angleterre!
We didn't know the way to tickle Mary,
But we learned how, over there!

Cheers, Joy


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bill Caddick's The Writing of Tippera
From: Gulliver
Date: 10 Aug 08 - 01:59 PM

I heard it being mentioned on a radio program recently that one or both of Jack's parents came from Tipperary. Does anyone know whether this is correct?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bill Caddick's The Writing of Tippera
From: Susanne (skw)
Date: 10 Aug 08 - 03:59 PM

No idea. Couldn't you go and do a bit of research on Mudcat's behalf?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bill Caddick's The Writing of Tipperary
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 10 Aug 08 - 04:36 PM

One problem is the name; 'Jack' is usually short for John, but not necessarily: in the case of one of my grandfathers it was apparently short for Albert (!)

Nevertheless, there is a John T Judge in the 1881 census, born c.1873 in Worcester, living with his family at Wolverhampton; his father, also John, is shown as having been born in Ireland. Not necessarily the right people, of course, but it is presumably possible.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Writing of Tipperary (Bill Caddic
From: Gulliver
Date: 13 Aug 08 - 10:07 AM

OK, did a little research. I appears that Jack Judge's parents came from Mayo and that his grand-parents, at least on his father's side, came from Tipperary. I'm updating the Wiki sites with this information.

Gibbons, Verna Hale
Jack Judge: The Tipperary Man (1999)
Sandwell Community Library Service, Smethwick Library, High
Street, Smethwick, West Midlands, B66 1AB, England
ISBN 1 900 689 073

Also by the same author and publisher: The Judges: Mayo, to the Midlands of England (1999)

Don


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Writing of Tipperary (Bill Caddick)
From: GUEST,George Henderson
Date: 13 Aug 08 - 10:22 AM

Robert Kelly sings Bill Caddicks song from time to time here in Ireland. He advises that Jack Judge came from Ballyhaunis in County Mayo.

See you Saturday perhaps Gulliver. we could try and get Robert to tell us the story as he knows it then.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Writing of Tipperary (Bill Caddic
From: Gulliver
Date: 13 Aug 08 - 09:06 PM

Yes, George, I plan to be there (though my lady friend complains she's getting to be a music widow!). There's a little session in O'Donohue's beforehand so don't take fright if you see me coming in with my banjo!

Jack Judge seems to have been from Oldbury; his parents were from Mayo (I also noted that some hotel in Swinford has a "Jack Judge" room).    I think I heard about this first on Sunday Miscellany...


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Writing of Tipperary (Bill Caddick)
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Nov 12 - 05:07 PM

this is true i only know as jack judge is my husbands great uncle he had a son called bill who is my hubbys grandfather the song was wrote for 5 shillings on the bet


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