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Subject: Help: Old thread?
From: Ringer
Date: 08 Nov 01 - 12:31 PM

I think I remember, from a couple of years ago (ish), a thread about June Tabor's version of The Writing of Tipperary but try as I might I can't uncover it now. Anyone able to help?


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Subject: RE: Help: Old thread?
From: Sorcha
Date: 08 Nov 01 - 12:57 PM

This thread was all I found about Writing of.....None of the June Tabor threads I found had anything to do with it. You sure it was Tabor?


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Subject: RE: Help: Old thread?
From: GUEST,MCP
Date: 08 Nov 01 - 01:28 PM

There are threads in the newsgroups uk.music.folk and rec.music.folk on this song Bill Caddick's (including words and discussion of the song in rmf) and many June Tabor references (in both).

Try the advanced search on Deja News looking for exact phrase 'Writing of Tipperary' and specifying these newsgroups.

Mick


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Subject: RE: Help: Old thread?
From: Ringer
Date: 08 Nov 01 - 01:36 PM

Am I sure it was Tabor? well, since my search (and yours) didn't find it, I'm not.... but I was this morning before I did the search.

I remember the thread you linked, because by then I was familiar with the song (having acquired a copy of it in the meantime). But the thread I thought I remembered occurred before I knew the song, which is why I placed it 2 years ago, or so.

But thanks, anyway.


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Subject: RE: Help: Old thread?
From: Ringer
Date: 08 Nov 01 - 01:38 PM

And thanks, MCP, who posted while I was typing.


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Subject: The Writing of Tipperary - Bill Caddick??
From: Joe Offer
Date: 08 Nov 01 - 01:54 PM

Hi, Bald Eagle - This Topic Records site (click) shows that June Tabor recorded the song in a medley with "Long Way to Tipperary." This thread has some information about "The Writing of Tipperary" and songwriter Bill Caddick, who also wrote the words to the lovely lullaby "John of Dreams." There's also one message (click) from Susanne (skw) about the song. Seamus Kennedy also made brief mention of the song in a thread.
Can somebody post the lyrics?

-Joe Offer-


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Subject: Lyr Add: THE WRITING OF TIPPERARY (Bill Caddick)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 08 Nov 01 - 01:57 PM

Sure, Joe, I'd be glad to post the lyrics. I found them here (click). This site says you'll find the song on an extraordinary recording called "Seamus Kennedy in Concert," which just happens to be on my desk now for something else I was working on.
-Joe Offer (grin)-



The Writing of 'Tipperary'
Words and Music: Bill Caddick
(Recorded by Tom Lewis on Mixed Cargo.)

King Edward the Seventh, who some called The Peace Maker, died back in nineteen-and-ten,
He was buried at Windsor and in the procession rode the noblest and highest of men,
There were nine crowned kings and thirty proud princes, leaders of many's the land,
And old 'Kaiser Bill' rode next to King George, with his Field Marshall's baton in hand,
Crippen was caught that very same year, Haley's Comet flashed by,
And the first of the labour exchanges was opened, the year the old king died.

The Sidney Street siege brought nineteen-eleven, when anarchy died in the flames,
In London, in June, King George and his queen played the coronation game,
"A place in the sun ", said The Kaiser in Hamburg, launching his new battle ships,
King George made India, Ireland and Wales, places for right royal trips,
Titanic was launched on the day of The Derby, London's last horse bus was shelved,
The suffragettes marched demanding their rights, then in came nineteen-and-twelve.

Jack Judge went down to West Bromwich town, to welcome a brand new year,
He went to a pub, to have a little sup, 'cause he liked his pint of beer,
When he'd had a drink he started to sing and he raised his voice on high,
My name's Jack Judge, I'll write you a song, from Oldbury town come I.

Now a Birmingham man was standing near and he heard what Jack did say,
"A pound to a penny", he says to Jack, "you can't write a song in a day",
Jack just laughed, sang another song and he says: "I'll take you on,
This afternoon I'll write you a song and I'll sing it 'fore the day is done".

Jack laughed again, sang another song, drank another pint of beer,
Then he caught a train to Stalybridge where that night he was due to appear,
And the very first day of nineteen-twelve old Jack Judge won his bet,
And the song he made and he sang that day we never will forget.

In March nineteen-twelve brave Scott and his comrades died while the snow storm roared,
And later that year the good General Booth, finally laid down his sword,
There were riots in Ireland concerning home rule, Mrs. Pankhurst was in prison again,
And Wilbur Wright died, the first of the fliers, as the Royal Flying Corps was named,
Titanic went down in the spring of that year, taking one thousand, five hundred lives,
And the Balkan states blazed from border to border, as death began sharpening his knives.

Of the nineteen-ten monarchs who mourned for King Edward, in nineteen-thirteen few survived.
Though some of them lived to a peaceful old age, assassins took many's the life,
Death came calmly to China and Sweden, but elsewhere the murderer's hand,
Struck The Pasha of Turkey, The King of the Greeks, while Spain pursued death's plan.
The armies of Europe paraded and postured, the stock-pile of weapons increased,
At the Hague, as if in grim desperation, they opened The Palace of Peace.

In nineteen-fourteen, with more suffragettes marching, the Arch-Duke of Austria was slain,
In less than two months all Europe was marching, death was in business again,
Many's the young man, from many's the family, willingly gave of his all,
They died in the millions for dubious victory, answering Kitchener's call.
But as they marched off to the trains and the troop ships, they sang as they hurried along,
And the words echo back from the graveyards of Flanders, singing old Jack Judges song -

It's a long way to Tipperary, it's a long way to go,
It's a long way to Tipperary, to the sweetest girl I know,
Good-bye Piccadilly, farewell Leicester square,
It's a long, long, way to Tipperary, but my heart lies there.


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Subject: RE: Help: Old thread? - Writing of Tipperary
From: breezy
Date: 08 Nov 01 - 02:50 PM

Alleyn is the title of June Tabor's album with this Caddick masterpiece. I asked him how long it took him to sing it, and he said 'About 11 minutes.' He paused, then said 'But I do it in about 6 1/2 now'I'm hoping that he'll include it on 22nd. March 2002 on his visit to the silver cup folk club Harpenden where this Friday 9th Nov.appears Webber/Fentiman


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Subject: RE: Help: Old thread? - Writing of Tipperary
From: breezy
Date: 08 Nov 01 - 05:53 PM

oops! it's on ''A quiet eye'' by June Tabor, not as I said before which happens to be a Mary B album, just found it on topic records. ''A place called England'' written by Maggie Holland is a cracker too.


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Subject: RE: Help: Old thread? - Writing of Tipperary
From: breezy
Date: 08 Nov 01 - 05:57 PM

oops again, Aleyn is J.T. also waltzing 4 dreamers on a quiet I, great album.


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Subject: RE: Help: Old thread? - Writing of Tipperary
From: Seamus Kennedy
Date: 09 Nov 01 - 12:03 AM

Anybody have information on how I can contact Bill Caddick, please?

Seamus Kennedy


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Subject: RE: Help: Old thread? - Writing of Tipperary
From: Joe Offer
Date: 09 Nov 01 - 02:37 AM

Hi, Seamus - his Website is http://www.matm.co.uk/billcadddick/news.htm.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Help: Old thread? - Writing of Tipperary
From: Ringer
Date: 09 Nov 01 - 05:29 AM

So my memory's playing tricks, evidently. I can't remember the last time that happened!

I've never heard Bill Caddick's nor Seamus Kennedy's versions, but I can't recommend June Tabor's version highly enough. When she gets to the last verse (the chorus of Tipperary) the hair on the back of my neck prickles (I still have a bit, there!).

Thanks, all contributors.


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Subject: RE: Help: Old thread? - Writing of Tipperary
From: Seamus Kennedy
Date: 09 Nov 01 - 03:05 PM

Thanks, Joe! You da man!

Seamus


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Subject: Songwriter - It's A Long, Long Way to Tipperary
From: Joe Offer
Date: 17 Sep 02 - 04:27 PM

In The Book of World-Famous Music (1965), James J. Fuld attributes "It's a Long, Long Way to Tipperary" to Jack Judge and Harry Williams, Copyright 1912 by B. Feldman & Co. It was published in the U.S. and Canada by Chappell & Co.

Fuld says:
This song was written and published before World War I but became popular only during that war. According to one story*, the song was the sole work of Judge, but Williams had lent money to Judge, and Judge repaid the loan in this way. Judge was an English vaudeville actor who was born in 1878 and died in 1938. Williams was a fellow townsman and vaudeville trouper who died in 1930.

*New York Times, Oct 1, 1933, Magazine Section, Page 21


The Levy Sheet Music Site says the song was "written and composed by Jack Judge and Harry Williams."

-Joe Offer-



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Subject: RE: Help: Old thread? - Writing of Tipperary
From: Susanne (skw)
Date: 17 Sep 02 - 08:00 PM

Joe, are you sure about "born in 1938"? Even 1893 seems a bit unlikely, as that would make Judge 19 when he wrote the song.

    Ooops! Typo corrected, but not until 2019. -Joe-


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Subject: RE: Help: Old thread? - Writing of Tipperary
From: breezy
Date: 18 Sep 02 - 04:32 AM

btw Bill did a great rendition at our club that re-opens on Friday 4th Oct 2002 at the Comfort Hotel St. Albans with Cyril Tawney


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Subject: RE: Help: Old thread? - Writing of Tipperary
From: Dave Bryant
Date: 18 Sep 02 - 05:55 AM

Bill Caddick originally performed the song as the ending to "Sunny Memories" his revue about the Edwardian era. "Magic Lantern" toured it around the country. One of the other songs which I love from the same source is "Gibson Girl".


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Subject: RE: Help: Old thread? - Writing of Tipperary
From: GUEST,Folkmonster
Date: 18 Sep 02 - 04:14 PM

From my correspondence with his great nephew(?):

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I didn't know that any songs ABOUT Jack Judge existed. Jack Judge (christened John) had a sister (Ann Marie) who married Sam Stanley, their son Jim was my grandfather. There aren't many of the older generation Stanley's left alive, but I know that my aunt's will be thrilled to hear of both of these tracks. If you should come across anything else linked to "Tipperary" that you think is unusual, please let me know. I have only just been given a book for my birthday last week "Jack Judge the Tipperary man" which is a biography by Verna Hale Gibbons and charts the life and times of the Judge family from the mid 1800's. A very different world ! Anyway, take care, and thanks again. Regards Keith

=======================

I can pass on his email with his permission if anyone wishes to correspond - email me.


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Subject: Lyr Req: Poor Pig (Bill Caddick)
From: GUEST,metamora
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 09:07 PM

Looking for the lyrics to "Poor Pig" from Bill Caddicks\'s album "Rough Band"


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Writing of Tipperary (Bill Caddick)
From: Leadfingers
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 06:40 AM

I dont have time to get the lyrics off the album at the moment - Sorry - But the Album is NOT "Rough Band" - Its Rough Music and is on
the Park label - South Hill Park Trust ltd) and the number s Park SHP 102 .


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Writing of Tipperary (Bill Caddic
From: Chris Green
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 09:49 AM

It's also on 'Unicorns' which you can buy from Bill's website. It's well worth it, as it has a lot of stuff on from his deleted 70's albums!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Writing of Tipperary (Bill Caddick)
From: webfolk
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 10:51 AM

I have the original album!

Geoff
    Thread closed because it's been a target for a heavy barrage of Spam. If you have something to add to the discussion, please post on one of the other threads on this topic.
    -Joe Offer-


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