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Subject: For my Cyberstalker From: mousethief Date: 15 Aug 01 - 01:16 AM As many of you know, somebody has been cyberstalking me since at least April, popping up in threads where I post and calling me a racist, mostly. For reasons I won't go into, I'm going to say it's a "her". I've written her a couple of songs. If you can't beat 'em, mock 'em. "The deville, that prowde spirite, cannot stand to be mocked" --Donne
Hit and Run
Chorus
My momma done told me when I was just little, Repeat Chorus
Responsible discussion's too bloody much work Repeat Chorus
Disagree with a black and I'll call you a "racist." Repeat Chorus Copyright (C) 2001 by Alex Riggle. All Rights Reserved.
Cyberstalker
I'm being harassed by a cyberstalker
Cos if I ever have my doubts
Did it take long to find me I'm being harassed by a cyberstalker (etc.) Copyright ©2001 Alex Riggle. All Rights Reserved.
Don't Let Me Down Don't Let Me Down(4x)
I'm being stalked for the first time Copyright ©2001 Alex Riggle. All Rights Reserved.
More to come, as necessary. Thanks, stalker! Now I know that somebody out there cares that I'm here! Alex |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: Helen Date: 15 Aug 01 - 01:18 AM Well done, mousethief! A neat twist in your mousey-tail. Helen P.S. I, for one, love ya! |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: John P Date: 15 Aug 01 - 08:23 AM Alex, As someone who spent years being cyberstalked, I can sympathize with you. It's no fun to be constantly accused of untrue things -- there is always the question of whether to engage and feed the asshole's vanity or stay silent and let the lie go unchallenged. This is the real power of the cyberstalker. You are, in some ways, damned it you do and damned if you don't. Fortunately, people like this quickly demonstrate to everyone what jerks they are, so folks stop taking them seriously about anything. But with enough perserverance they can eventually insert their untruths into the collective unconscious, so they need to get publicly swatted down from time to time. I hope to see you next week. John |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: Jon Freeman Date: 15 Aug 01 - 08:41 AM Hadn't noticed Alex but I don't read that many threads and have no reason not to believe you. I was witness to some of what John P reffered to and I appreciate the awkward if not impossible situation the vicitm is in. It's not a lot but you have both my support (not that there's anything I can do on a practical level) and sympathy. Jon |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: SharonA Date: 15 Aug 01 - 08:46 AM Well done, Alex! Skewer on, good sir. Here's to ridiculing the ridiculous!!! SharonA |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: Mary in Kentucky Date: 15 Aug 01 - 08:53 AM Alex, my empathy too. As one of Helen's links last year noted, these sickies often persist for ten years or so. Follow your instincts, don't try to understand it all. And be careful in the 3D world. Document events but don't let it control your life. There are legal protections, but usually it never comes to that, besides, I found that most stalkers don't have the intelligence or the "connections" to really carry out their threats. Unfortunately, they just shift their attentions to someone else when they get bored with you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: SINSULL Date: 15 Aug 01 - 10:59 AM Alex, It is an ugly business. Unfortunately, stalkers feed on your reactions. Maybe next time, try a simple "I refuse to respond to this and ask that everyone else ignore it too". Cut it off. Dismiss it as the nonsense it is. |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: Mudcatter Date: 15 Aug 01 - 11:38 AM Or just simply ignore it, period. Alex, I'm not sure what's been going on with you, but someone posting nasty things about you in Mudcat threads, hardly defines you as being 'stalked' Not sure why you started this thread |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: GUEST Date: 15 Aug 01 - 11:39 AM Have you done any research on what your options are? I'm not familiar enough with the circumstances to know whether the poster in question's behavior would be considered stalking, or harrassment. But there are options available to you if you trace the IP, report user's behavior to their ISP, and urge their provider to rattle their users chains at the least, or possibly get their account yanked?
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: GUEST,Walking Eagle Date: 15 Aug 01 - 12:06 PM My support as well. This ol' Cherokee woman could give you a few conjures if you want. Nah, you did the best conjurin' with your songs. let me know and I'll set the 'little people of the mountain,' to work! (;>) |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: gnu Date: 15 Aug 01 - 12:21 PM Are they.. him.. her.. it.. still at it ? I recall a thread in which you were called racist, repleat with a half-quote, taken out of context... refuted by myself, if I recall correctly, repleat with full quote and context. I hope I'm not next on this slimeball's shitlist. It's easy to say "ignore", but when someone does what that OOB (Offspring Ofa Bitch - have to be PC, you know) did, you have no choice but to respond because some people actually take at face value what is said/written or, at least, have a doubt about character. That defamation can hurt present and future discussion, let alone respect... which Alex deserves for his many intelligent posts. |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: SharonA Date: 15 Aug 01 - 12:23 PM Even if the harrasser's account is yanked, I'm sure (s)he would find other ways to get on-line and continue the harrassment (talk about your negative energy! This person needs to take up knitting, or something, to burn up all that angst in a more constructive way). I got a private message from Joe Offer last week (while I was on vacation), and I'm guessing that some other people got the same message too, requesting that I/we NOT discuss in threads the METHODS that flamers use to do their dirty work (the technical stuff, that Joe tries to undo) and especially the methods that Joe and the joeclones use to combat the flamers (that flamers then read on the threads, and find ways to work around in order to carry on their "mission"). So, please, let's also be very careful when we start talking publicly about "options" we ourselves can employ to combat the flamers. I suggest what Joe suggested to me: communicate ANY suggestions of courses of action VIA PRIVATE MESSAGE. Remember that all public threads are there for ANYONE to read. Not to be paranoid er nuthin'... but if I were a knight, I wouldn't say anything about the chinks in my armor, nor about my battle strategy & tactics, within hearing range of the guy I was jousting with. SharonA |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: GUEST Date: 15 Aug 01 - 12:49 PM With all due respect SharonA, I too read the thread with the admonitions from Joe Offer not to discuss the sites technical vulnerabilities in the forum. Which seemed like a pretty ludicrous suggestion coming from a site maintainer on the internet, but there you have it. The instance you mention didn't have anything to do with flaming, AFAIR. It was, rather, to do with the tired old saw, member identities. Apparently, some think it takes Bill Gates' minions to figure out anyone with a mind to can log-in with member's handles/names by using the guest option and "misspelling" the name by transposing two letters. Duh. As to the sugggestions made above by guest 11:39 a.m. there are pretty standardized procedures for dealing with internet harrassment and stalking, but in my opinion, and apparently that of some others here, this instance doesn't come very close to meeting the criteria of either. Not to say that even paranoids don't have enemies, just that I don't think there is much of a case to be made for harrassment, much less stalking. |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: Peg Date: 15 Aug 01 - 12:53 PM I have to agree with whoever asked, why start this thread and call it something like this? Wy is it STALKING when someone simply responds to threads you post in? That's the internet, dude. Better get used to it. To call this sort of thing "stalking" is to belittle the experiences of those who have genuinely been stalked in, you know, real life. IMHO, anyway. peg
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: Jack the Sailor Date: 15 Aug 01 - 01:00 PM Gosh GUEST, You just called Sharon and Joe Offer stupid, and you called Alex paranoid. In just a few lines you have managed to be rude, condesending, insulting and arrogant. Small wonder you do not use a handle. I hope you are not one of those GUEST's who complains "cliques" and about his/her treatment by Mudcat regulars. If you are, perhaps we have found the reason. |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: GUEST Date: 15 Aug 01 - 01:10 PM Well said, Peg Alex isn't being stalked. He's behaving like a 5 year old running to his mom: "Johnny said nasty things about me, booh hoo hoo" His parodies aren't very good either Grow up, Alex |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: GUEST Date: 15 Aug 01 - 01:16 PM and admit that you sometimes piss people of with your obnoxious / uninformed posts I read mudcat a lot, you are about the only person who annoys me The fact that someone is pissed enough to send nasty messages does not suprise me |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 15 Aug 01 - 01:38 PM Alex-I don't know if you are being stalked or not, most people on this thread think you are. In that case you have my sympathy, I recently had sme weirdo plauging me with silnt phone calls, I was not frightened, but it was bloody annoying.Maybe you could speak to Joe Offer about this, I heard he was an FBI investigator, I am sure he will know what to do.take care.john |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: SharonA Date: 15 Aug 01 - 01:44 PM Thanks, Jack. With all "due" respect, GUEST (post of 15-Aug-01, 12:49 pm), you'll notice that I had mentioned a Private Message that I had received from Joe, not anything he'd posted to a thread. Also, I didn't "mention" a specific "instance" of flaming. Duh, indeed. How interesting that you assumed that I was talking about posting as a GUEST and misspelling a member's name afterward. I wasn't. However, I do consider that to be one form of flaming. SharonA |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: GUEST,Denise:^) Date: 15 Aug 01 - 01:45 PM Please note, folks--Alex didn't say "stalking," but "CYBER-stalking," and that makes all the difference! Since a stalker is one who follows you around, tracking, pestering and even threatening you, it goes to follow that a cyberstalker would follow you on the 'net, in much the same way. I think mousethief has hit the nail dead-on! |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: GUEST,Dorothy Parker's Evil Twin Date: 15 Aug 01 - 01:47 PM Oh yes, please do call in the FBI. That way we kind find out if the cyberstalker is dead, or if my watch just stopped. |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: Clinton Hammond Date: 15 Aug 01 - 01:56 PM Peg's got it nailed right on the head! and Guest, if Jack is the only one here who pisses you off, then I'm not dong my job right! |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: GUEST,Denise:^) Date: 15 Aug 01 - 02:01 PM Sorry, Clinton--you're wrong. Just because you walk down a public street, other people don't have the right to follow you everywhere. Just because you park in a public lot, others don't have the right to leave notes on your windshield. Just because you post on a website doesn't give others the right to follow your every post with slander or name-calling. Whether you can stop them or not does not change the nature of what they've done. Wrong is wrong. |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: Jack the Sailor Date: 15 Aug 01 - 02:35 PM Clinton, I think GUEST was referring to Alex. GUEST seems to have trouble with names. It seems that GUEST 15-Aug-01 - 01:16 PM AND GUEST 15-Aug-01 - 01:10 PM AND GUEST 15-Aug-01 - 12:49 PM Are just here to insult people. I hope he/she/it/they take(s) this opportunity to learn from this and work on His/her/it's/their manners.
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: GUEST,Dorothy Parker's Evil Twin Date: 15 Aug 01 - 02:46 PM Yachtman Jack, Martyrdom covers a multitude of sins. Why not offer yourself to the cause? |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: Don Firth Date: 15 Aug 01 - 02:47 PM It isn't a matter of manners. It's diarrhea of the keyboard and constipation of the brain. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: GUEST,Dorothy Parker's Evil Twin Date: 15 Aug 01 - 02:53 PM Donnie Boy, It is the dull man who is always sure, and the sure man who is always dull. I can tell you are that certain type of man, and a man of certainty. |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: Gareth Date: 15 Aug 01 - 02:53 PM GUEST,Dorothy Parker's Evil Twin Dorothy Parker had the merit of being witty. Gareth |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: Clinton Hammond Date: 15 Aug 01 - 02:53 PM I am not wrong... it's a matter of opinion... so stuff yers! it's the internet.. you don't wanna get called nasty names, don't post on it.. because some people out here have nothing better to do... I'm not saying it's right.. I'm saying there's NOTHING at all you can do about it... calling it "CyberSTALKING" is as Peg put it, belittling... |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: GUEST,Denise:^) Date: 15 Aug 01 - 02:57 PM Sorry again, Clinton--you're *still* wrong. (and you can be rude to me if you want, I can take it; I teach first grade...) "it's the internet..." Just because you walk down a public street, other people don't have the right to follow you everywhere. Just because you park in a public lot, others don't have the right to leave notes on your windshield. Just because you post on a website doesn't give others the right to follow your every post with slander or name-calling. "I'm saying there's NOTHING at all you can do about it..." Whether you can stop them or not does not change the nature of what they've done. Wrong is wrong. |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: GUEST,Dorothy's twin again Date: 15 Aug 01 - 03:01 PM Toothful Gareth, I have never known anyone worth a damn who wasn't irascible. |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: Don Firth Date: 15 Aug 01 - 03:02 PM Glad you liked it, Dottie-poo. I thought it was pretty good. Stay loose, now. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: Jack the Sailor Date: 15 Aug 01 - 03:10 PM Dorothy Parker's Evil Twin That's a clever handle. I have sins, I'm not a martyr. I am asking GUEST to stop insulting people. If I do something which bothers you please feel free to ask me to stop. Perhaps GUEST didn't realize GUEST was being rude. I have said my piece on this topic. |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: Clinton Hammond Date: 15 Aug 01 - 03:18 PM I didn't say it was right did I?!?!? For a tacher, your comprehension skills sure make me wonder... |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: GUEST,Whoever Date: 15 Aug 01 - 03:23 PM Jack the Sailor, You've only been here a couple of months, but I think that you're a bit nieve. Perhaps telling someone that they're being a bit of an 'ass' in starting such a thread is 'rude' but it also has some truth to it I have never met Mousethief, but I find his comments on this forum often quite annoying. That's my opinion, not mindless rudeness Whoever |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: GUEST,Dorothy's Ghost Date: 15 Aug 01 - 03:34 PM Public opinion, a vulgar, impertinent, anonymous tyrant who deliberately makes life unpleasant for anyone who is not content to be a polite bore. |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: Jack the Sailor Date: 15 Aug 01 - 03:46 PM I didn't say the bad manners were mindless. The rudeness is a little easier to take when there is a name attached. Anon insults are like grafitti on a bathroom wall. This is hardly constructive criticsm. and admit that you sometimes piss people of with your obnoxious / uninformed posts I read mudcat a lot, you are about the only person who annoys me Does his mother wear army boots as well?
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: SharonA Date: 15 Aug 01 - 04:03 PM Annoyance is in the eye of the annoyed (or in the throat of the adenoid!). What annoys me is incorrect spelling ("nieve", "tacher"). However, if I were to spend my time following chronic misspellers around the website and not only correcting all of their mistakes but berating them, insulting them and submitting posts with excruciatingly correct spelling under membership names similar to theirs, my behavior would be not only annoying but also QUITE rude; I would be more than a BIT of an ass, wouldn't I? |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: GUEST,Dorothy Parker's Evil Twin Date: 15 Aug 01 - 04:10 PM SharonA, Funny, I heard you were more than an BIT of an ass too... |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: GUEST,Whoever Date: 15 Aug 01 - 04:42 PM Sharon, 'nieve' was spelt correctly - you obviously don't know the word that I was using - I suggest looking it up |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: Jenny the T Date: 15 Aug 01 - 04:44 PM My oh my, Isn't this an entertaining demonstration of Elementary Trolling Techniques? By all means, continue responding to GUEST, or Dorothy Parker's Mentally Disabled Neighbor, or whatever they choose to call themselves next. That always gets trolls to shut up, right? This nitwit is a shameful waste of what could otherwise be perfectly good dog food. Responding to 'em just lets them waste bandwidth, too. JtT |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: GUEST,Speedy Gonzales Date: 15 Aug 01 - 05:01 PM In describing himself on this and other websites, including his own, Alex/mousethief stresses that he is a "white" male. Sometimes, he makes remarks about Blacks or Jews that can be taken as racist or anti-Semitic. Sometimes, when that happens, someone will remind us that Alex/mousethief is the only Mudcatter who stresses his race. Then, whenever that happens, Alex/mousethief starts another thread about himself so that his buddies can tell him what a wonderful paragon of brotherhood he is. Some critical messages on Mudcat can hardly be described as stalking. Get real Alex/mousethief.
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: Jack the Sailor Date: 15 Aug 01 - 05:32 PM From Webster's On line... in the interest of providing education where it is needed. The word you've entered isn't in the dictionary. Click on a spelling suggestion below or try again using the Dictionary search box to the right. Suggestions for nieve: 1. naive 2. nave 3. naive 4. knave 5. neve 6. nov 7. nav 8. Nev 9. Nov 10. niece 11. knives I believe the word you wanted was naive. I am starting to believe that I've been a naive knave staring at my nave. I'd like to be a nov writing about Nev in Nov. and describe skis cutting the neve like knives.
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: gnu Date: 15 Aug 01 - 07:37 PM As for being Alex's buddy, I am nobody's buddy. I am only interested in truth and discussion. Which is why this thread is dead as far as I am concerned. I said above that sometimes you can't ignore what's said about you... I was wrong... this only gets worse, as witnessed above. So I'm going to leave. See ya when you have something constructive to say. PS Speedy... racist and hate-mongerer are equal in my books. I have not read ALL of Alex's posts, but, from what I have read over the past six months, I do not believe he is racist, but I have my doubts about you. appalledgnu |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: SharonA Date: 15 Aug 01 - 07:44 PM Thanks again, Jack! Brilliant use of the language, too: a veritable nave rave!! Next, you should write a clerestory. ;^) And yes, "GUEST,Dorothy Parker's Evil Twin", I suppose I am more than a bit of an ass sometimes; I don't mean to be. That's quite different from working at it diligently. Jenny the T is right. Enough wasted words falling on deaf ears! 'Bye, now! |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: Jon Freeman Date: 15 Aug 01 - 08:00 PM gnu, I'm assuming Alex is in a simlar situation to the one John P was in and I'm not really sure what the answer is in terms of ignoring or posting. This type of cyberstalker does present a different problem to the troll. The troll tries to stir up problems and if ignored goes away. The cyberstalker sticks with the victim and may as Alex has suggested constantly tell lies to insult the character of the person - in this case, it appears that the stalker will have it that Alex is a racist. In a closed community, matters are probably easier as eventually, everyone will realise the truth but in open environments such as this, there are are always newcommers who don't know the score and I would guess this adds a lot of reason for the victim to feel a need to challenge the accusations which will not go away. Referring back to John P, I was new at the time and it took me some time to understand what was going on (my first lesson in newsgroups). As it turned out, I ended up with a lot of respect for the way John P handled a situation and learned what the other party was like. I doubt that would have been the case if he always remained silent. It really is a tough situation. Jon |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: Jeri Date: 15 Aug 01 - 08:21 PM Whoever said "You've only been here a couple of months, but I think that you're a bit nieve" "Nieve" is an archaic word meaning fist or hand. So if whoever said it, they may have meant that she's only been here for a short while but she sounds like a bit of an old hand. Well, actually what it translates to is she's only been here a short while, but she's a bit hand. If this is some weird combination of Scots and archaic English it may make sense. If whoever meant Sharon is a hand that is bitten, it's a bit weirdness. |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: Thomas the Rhymer Date: 15 Aug 01 - 08:56 PM I'd love to have more simpathy, For those in cyber-slandery, And though there is this empathy, It borders nearby pandery... For cyber-space is not quite real, Unless were talking surveillance This cyber-slander can but appeal To dark right agents' prevailents... But as one who's been taken down, From lying stalkers,...to bad renoun, Turn your to self in cyber town, with arm and heart and brain And like the Mary Ellen Carter, RISE AGAIN. ttr |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: Clinton Hammond Date: 15 Aug 01 - 09:15 PM I'm a troll man... Do do do, Do-do do-do I'm a TROOOOOL man... ;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: catspaw49 Date: 15 Aug 01 - 09:23 PM Well CH, that was really cute and THOMAS.....WHAT A JOB!! Congrats to you both.......but, uh, neither of you used the word nieve so I'll have to deduct a tenth of a point. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: Jeri Date: 15 Aug 01 - 09:34 PM Oh my - didn't realise I was supposed to rhyme!
A noun used as an adjective (Sorry, I get like this sometimes when I have a migraine.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: SINSULL Date: 15 Aug 01 - 10:09 PM "Nieve" is in the Scrabble dictionary. Our GUEST is too proud to admit he/she screwed up. Of course, it is unlikely either word (naive or nieve) would appear in a First Grade Spelling Book. Jack The Sailor, I have enjoyed your posts and didn't realize you were all that new here. However, "I have SINS"? Am I being Cyber-stalked? (finally! I have worked so hard at it) No Spaw - don't say it. SINS |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: catspaw49 Date: 15 Aug 01 - 10:11 PM Another EXCELLENT submission Jeri!!!! However, your failure to actually use the word shit or shite has also cost you a tenth of a point. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: Jeri Date: 15 Aug 01 - 11:04 PM You say I must write "shit," Then subtract points just to spite me. Only one thing have I left to say, That is, dear Catspaw, "BITE ME!" |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: Liz the Squeak Date: 16 Aug 01 - 02:03 AM Hey Mousie - you and my fat arse together!!! (figuratively speaking of course.....) Maybe it's the same person. I'd hate to think there was more than one sad sicko out there with too much time on their hands.... Take care. LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: GUEST,Denise:^) Date: 16 Aug 01 - 10:14 AM SINSULL says: "'Nieve' is in the Scrabble dictionary. Our GUEST is too proud to admit he/she screwed up. Of course, it is unlikely either word (naive or nieve) would appear in a First Grade Spelling Book. " Hey--wait a minute--I didn't write that--and *I'M* the first grade teacher...not "GUEST." I have never posted here without using my name. (Yes, it's really my name.) I just haven't joined because I'm not on my own computer these days...When I get mine back, I probably will. Meanwhile, good luck finding a misspelling in one of my posts! Not likely to happen. Besides that, I thought this thread was about a creep stalking Alex on the list... (I have no pity for anyone who stalks, harasses, follows, annoys, or otherwise invades a person's personal space, in any way.) I thought the songs were a cute way of telling the jerk to get lost. (Remember the songs? Back at the top?) Denise:^)
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: Wolfgang Date: 16 Aug 01 - 10:42 AM The Mouse is a merry wee beast, The Moudiewart wants the een; And O, for a touch o' the thing I had in my nieve yestreen. Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: MMario Date: 16 Aug 01 - 10:58 AM NAIVE:People who spell this French-derived word "nieve" make themselves look naive. In French there is also a masculine form: "naif"; and both words can be nouns meaning "naive person" as well as adjectives. "Nieve" is actually the Spanish word for "snow." "Naiveté" is the French spelling of the related noun in English. If you prefer more nativized spelling, "naivety" is also acceptable. |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: mousethief Date: 16 Aug 01 - 01:11 PM All I could come up with was a couplet: A nativized-spelt "naivety" Strikes me as linguistic depravity --- We're talking about a person who went to the trouble to look up my website and find snippets of the text there to quote back to me. A person who claims to have read every single personal description on the 'Cat to discover if I was the only person to mention "white." This is not your run-of-the-mill troll. I needed a word to describe this intensive level of abuse, and decided to use "cyberstalker." Those who don't think it appropriate are free to disagree. They are also free to kiss my white (last time I looked) ass. Am I a racist? I don't think so. But the real question is, COULD YOU DISPROVE IT IF YOU WERE ACCUSED OF BEING A RACIST (or a sexist, or any other kind of "ist")? Anything you say, any chance word, will be used against you in the court of the c-stalker's slanderous opinion. I say that I am against what the nation of Israel is doing in Palestine, and BAM! I'm anti-Semitic. I jokingly call myself a "married white male" in imitation of personal ads (which I think online bio's in some way are a parody of), and BAM! I'm a racist. I probably shouldn't mention that I've been to Germany and found the food edible, lest I be called a Nazi. I'd like to visit St. Petersburg someday; am I a communist? (or an imperialist oppressor?) A little of this goes a long way, and this has been going on since at least April. That's 5 months. I'm getting sick of it. Those of you who want to have a discussion about whether or not this constitutes "stalking" or whether it belittles "REAL" stalking, feck off. Do it somewhere else. Those of you who disagree with me sometimes, HEY GUESS WHAT! That means we're independent people! Hard having someone disagree with you, ain't it? Better get used to it. Cyberspace is a big place. There's probably one other person out there that disagrees with you too. Maybe even two! To all who have offered sympathy and advice: thank you. To all who have belittled what I am feeling: I hope it never happens to you. Try looking up "empathy" in your dictionary. Or minding your own business. (What a thought!) Alex |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: SharonA Date: 16 Aug 01 - 01:24 PM And BAM! You're Emeril! |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: Mary in Kentucky Date: 16 Aug 01 - 01:31 PM NAIVE is EVIAN (a popular brand of bottled water) spelled backwards. |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: Jack the Sailor Date: 16 Aug 01 - 01:38 PM SINS I've been around for a few months and I'd stalk you anytime! RRRRRoarRRRRR Mouse I can sympathize with what you are saying. Seems a few folks would rather pick at your choice of words rather than try to understand what you are saying. For what it's worth, I don't think you are a racist. Those "out of context" ravings about you make her look bad. Not you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: mousethief Date: 16 Aug 01 - 01:49 PM Some history of my feelings about racism in America: http://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=317354 http://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=406949 Alex |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: mousethief Date: 16 Aug 01 - 02:01 PM Oh and let me say that telling me my parodies suck is just precious. That's so stinkin' CUTE! Cyberstalker, you are just too sweet. Alex |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: Mudcatter Date: 16 Aug 01 - 02:37 PM I'm sorry Alex for the discomfort that you've obviously felt about this issue, but I'd like to say a couple of things: 1. "We're talking about a person who went to the trouble to look up my website and find snippets of the text there to quote back to me" By publishing a website, you put everything you post there into the public domain - please don't complain about how it's used. You put it there 2. Those of you who want to have a discussion about whether or not this constitutes "stalking" or whether it belittles "REAL" stalking, feck off. Do it somewhere else" You've been here long enough to realise that threads meander in their own way. This hasn't been the nicest of threads, agreed. But telling people who question your post to 'feck off' is hardly helpful, and doesn't place you in the greatest light Should I have told you to 'feck off' for every response to a thread that you've made that wasn't what the original poster wanted? 3. "this has been going on since at least April. That's 5 months. I'm getting sick of it" Any fool knows that flaming / trolling dies if it's not fed. You've choosen to feed it by starting this thread. In my opinion, you deserve what you get 4. A while ago you started a thread Attack Mousetheif Here It's happened, what a suprise Mudcatter (Alex, please feel free to PM me if you'd like to discuss anything I've said)
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: mousethief Date: 16 Aug 01 - 02:50 PM The point isn't that my website isn't publicly available. It's the work that this person has gone through to "get at" me. This isn't your casual flamer. This person has lovingly invested a great deal of time in research and such. This was my point. Sorry you missed it. I can tell people to feck off if I so choose. They, of course, are free to do so or not. "In my opinion, you deserve what you get " I'll bet you say that to abused women who speak out against their abusers, too. No, I don't feel a need to talk with you in a PM. I can see now what sort of person you are, and I'd just as soon keep my distance. Alex |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: MMario Date: 16 Aug 01 - 02:53 PM By publishing a website, you put everything you post there into the public domain - please don't complain about how it's used. You put it there WRONG! check out copywrite law. |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: MMario Date: 16 Aug 01 - 02:55 PM sorry - "copyright" |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: Mudcatter Date: 16 Aug 01 - 03:14 PM MMario, You are of course correct, my language was clumsy. All I meant to say was that Mousethief shouldn't be suprised if having put certain views on his webpage that people might quote them. That's what I mean't by 'public domain' I'll bet you say that to abused women who speak out against their abusers, too For fuck's sake Alex, get a grip! Do you really think that someone flaming you on Mudcat is equivalent to the kind of abuse that some women suffer at the hands of their partners??? If you do, well... I'm saddened that you don't want to discuss this in PMs. I'm not the person who's stalked you, but would be interested to discuss your predicament. As you seem to think that, having written two messages on this thread, you can "see now what sort of person I am" you are not only wrong, but it's a shame that you're not prepared to be a bit less close-minded Mudcatter
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: mousethief Date: 16 Aug 01 - 03:26 PM Mudcatter: No, I don't think cyberstalking and spousal abuse are equivalent. (Nor did I say so.) But both have this in common: the victim is often blamed for the situation they find themselves in. This is what you did when you told me I deserved whatever I got. I don't know everything about you, but I know that you are willing to make a statement like that, and that's more than enough. Telling any victim of any abuse that they deserve what they get is pretty awful stuff. Even if the abuse is "just" verbal (ask any domestic abuse survivor how it starts). If you're going to tell me I deserve whatever I get, why in the hell should I want to PM with you? So you can be nasty to me in other ways that you're ashamed to do in a public forum? Oh, goody! Forgive me if I'm not all eager at the chance. I'm close-minded? You say I deserve whatever I get, and I'm close-minded? You're a trip. Alex |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: Ralphie Date: 16 Aug 01 - 03:28 PM Wasn't going to contribute....but Time to let this thread die methinks As a recipient of poisonous messages from "GUESTS" (I know, or care, not whom) Too many people who would normally be good friends, are seeing their (Mudcat) relationships fall apart. I find it sad. Let it go everybody peeps......Count to ten... As Loudon Wainwright once wrote
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: Thomas the Rhymer Date: 16 Aug 01 - 03:33 PM Wow, folks, this has gotten quite pathetic. Mousethief, please, take a deep breath and stop this... I can only say here, that I have had some difficulties on the mudcat too,... and I have been stalked in real life, to a degree you would be astounded by... which makes this seem silly. I have found you, Mousethief, to be both goodhearted, and generally somewhat irrelevant to the folk tradition.... I just don't quite understand why you are here... This website is a kick-ass source of trad-song material and folk-chat, and these are my reasons for being here... For me this website has an academic appeal, as well as a forum for oblique poetry about these times... and though I understand that you have every right to make this website something of your own, I would really appreciate it if you would stop all flame-baiting, and get down to the work of learning more traditional songs. Best wishes,ttr |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: Gareth Date: 16 Aug 01 - 03:33 PM The Flamers Game Tune: One Morning In May, or God on Our Side
Come all ye mud catters, and list while I sing,
My name is Guest, and I've just turned thirteen.
This forum of ours has too long been half free.
They told me how Mousethief was hit in his chair,
It's nearly two months since I first logged on,
And now as I lie here, my ego all holes Gareth – with appologies to Domnic Behan |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: Mrrzy Date: 16 Aug 01 - 03:33 PM Hey mousethief, I hadn't seen this till today... maybe it was you "they" were stalking when they threatened to come to our party and do mean things to my kids, remember that? Think it was the same "person" (I'd say guy but them people might think I thought it was a man...)? |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: katlaughing Date: 16 Aug 01 - 03:39 PM Well done, Gareth! |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: Walking Eagle Date: 16 Aug 01 - 03:46 PM This here is gettin' a mite to personal for this ol' Hillbilly woman. It's clear that manners have flown out the window. Mouse, just a thought. If you don't have to make a living with your computer, as a last drastic step you may want to consider unplugging so to speak. Get rid of your ISP and modem and just do disc work for awhile. No MP3 or RealAudio, I know, but if things get serious enough you may want to consider it. After a bit, add your ISP and modem back. Just a thought from a world wise Cherokee. The world is full of ookshans and yonegwas alike, why invite them into your home if you don't need to. Unplugging sure beats shootin' 'em! |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: Don Firth Date: 16 Aug 01 - 03:58 PM I can't say that I blame Alex for being upset by this. And stalking or cyberstalking may not be the only issue here. There are some epithets — most of the "ist" variety — that are particularly insidious. So insidious, in fact, that there are laws covering them. Slander and libel. Slander is when a defamatory remark is made verbally; libel is when the remark is written. Postings of this kind on the internet are written, hence they are libel. If the defamed person chooses to call the defamer to book, the only defense the defamer has is to try to prove that the remark is true. And believe me, to cite someone's parody of a personal ad as proof just ain't gonna cut it in court. Therefore, before one starts leveling such remarks, one had better think pretty damned carefully. Senator Joseph McCarthy made full use of such epithets and accusations, playing the coward's part by hiding behind Congressional immunity — but his vicious mouth turned out to be his downfall in the long run, and history remembers him for his witch-hunts, false accusations, and general excesses. Anonymity also provides a shield. Sniping from the darkness. That's the coward's way. But anonymity can be a transitory thing. . . . I hereby go on record that I, too, am a white male. Does saying that make me a racist? Be very careful how you answer that. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: SharonA Date: 16 Aug 01 - 04:02 PM Thomas the Rhymer sez he has found mousethief to be somewhat generally irrelevant to the folk tradition, and doesn't understand why he's here. How insulting! I was under the impression that "the folk tradition" had to do with people writing songs, singing them and making them their own, as well as with living the experiences immortalized in song. By that definition, everyone on earth is part of "the folk tradition"!! (Yes, even our not-so-beloved flamers and cyber-stalkers.) Just because another person's stalking experience does not match yours, Thomas, and just because his reasons for being on this website do not perfectly match yours (and mine certainly don't, either) gives you no more right to insult Alex (and, by proxy, the rest of us who are not thoroughly immersed in traditional music) than his cyber-stalkers have. |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: Peg Date: 16 Aug 01 - 04:36 PM This is ridiculous.
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: katlaughing Date: 16 Aug 01 - 05:28 PM It may seem ridiculous, but it is important, obviously, to some of us. Thomas the Rhymer, I am surprised at what you've said about Alex, and disappointed. This site has been about learning and sharing and all have been welcomed without need of any "credentials." One might ask you the same question you posed to Alex...why are you here? We all, presumably, have music in common. I've certainly found that to be true with Alex. We have had cyber-stalking on here before, in fact there is one well-known nemesis of mine, who still follows around posting after me, once in awhile. I can laugh about it now, but when the worst of it was going on, not just with the one I mentioned but also with a couple of others who'd joined forces, I can tell you it was horrible and not to be tolerated. Mudcat is supposed to be about everyone's love of folk music and the camaraderie which goes with it. Alex, I hope you will be able to ignore the dickheads who sling arrows and that you will continue to be a part of this community. kat |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: Burke Date: 16 Aug 01 - 05:37 PM Some time back the comment was made in a thread that in speaking (writing?) one should first ask oneself Is it true Is it kind Is it necessary I thought it was good advice. I have actually used the test from time to time & not hit Submit Message after typing quite a bit. At the time I saw it I wished the person saying it would listen to the advice himself. (unkind so I kept my fingers off the keyboard) So here are my words that I hope are true, I will try to say in a kind way, necessary is for others to judge. I've had someone on my case in several Usenet groups that lasted over a year before it ceased. I'm not sure anyone really noticed because of the way I realized I had to deal with it. At no time did this person ever send me personal e-mail or try to deal with me other than in public groups. Because of this, while I found it distressing, I would not call it stalking because I knew there was no real physical danger. I would see my moniker somewhere that I rarely posted, my heart would beat faster & I'd get upset. I was never, ever the first one to respond to the message. Most of the time this worked & the topic of me died. Occasionally someone else would respond. If they were defending me, I'd send a private message saying thanks, and hint that they let it drop. If they seemed to take the 'accusation' seriously (very rare) I'd see if I knew who it was, and decide if I cared about that person's opinion. I can't even remember a case where I thought the answer to that was yes & if it was no I also didn't need to bother. Very occasionally the thread would take a turn that allowed me to get in and poke fun at the accusation. I did not do this every time, but just enough to let her know I'd seen what she said. More often I found a chance to do a strictly informational message that also implied, 'I'm here and I'm not responding.' You'd be amazed how maddening that can be to your foe. It was not easy. It took a lot more self restraint than I thought I had. It took over a year for it to end. This same person was after a few other people as well. Personally, I formed my opinions of them not based on what was said to them by someone who's opinion I did not care about, but how they responded. While I felt sympathy for some of them, there were others whose responses tended to pull them way down in my esteem. I could not believe how long some people would go on basically trying to convice her that her opinion should not matter to them, but really proving how much it did matter. My suggestion to you, Alex, in dealing with any accusation against you is to think about a couple of things and answer some questions for yourself. But most important decide whose opinion or regard is important to you. I don't know how much mine counts, but you lost a lot more respect from me by telling Peg where to go than anything anyone has said about you anywhere. You post a lot, we can all read your messages for ourselves. We can all go to your web page and do the same. Most of us are adults, please, give us credit for being able to read and arrive at our own conclusions about both you and the other(s). If someone tells you you've made a racist remark or otherwise takes exception to your comments, remember they are that one person's opinion. We can check back & decide for ourselves whether they are or not. Especially if it will derail an ongoing discussion please refrain from endless am, am not discussions. In deciding to respond decide how important to you the opinion of the accuser is. If it's a Guest we all know what that should be. Don't bother with telling them you don't care about thier opinions, because by replying you prove it does. Does anyone else seem to be believeing, supporting the accusation? Do you care about that person's opinion? If not, see above. If you do, consider why they reached these conclusions about you and act accordingly. You might want to consider PM's if you are willing to listen to what they say. Finally, don't worry about that the unknown reader who is not responding in any way. Probably they don't care so you shouldn't care either. |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: sophocleese Date: 16 Aug 01 - 05:38 PM Right on Peg! At this moment what we actually have is unsubstantiated accusations against an unknown poster. If Mousethief is being stalked I'm sorry for him, its a hell of a thing to have happen. However without any evidence except his word that he is being stalked its difficult to weigh the severity of the problem in any fashion. I haven't noticed anything myself that seemed like stalking but I tend to gloss over posts specifically addressed to other posters, particularily those that don't add to an argument or give information. |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: sophocleese Date: 16 Aug 01 - 05:47 PM I didn't see your post Burke before I wrote what I did. An excellent post in my opinion, (if that matters in any way to you).
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: Burke Date: 16 Aug 01 - 05:55 PM Thanks, sophocleese. Good opinions always feel good. LOL! |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: Ralphie Date: 16 Aug 01 - 06:41 PM Burke What a star....Couldn't have even tried to put it better Ralphie (Not of course that you'll read this....Oh No !) LOL XX |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: SINSULL Date: 16 Aug 01 - 09:00 PM Sorry Denise. I got my GUESTS confused. |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: Thomas the Rhymer Date: 16 Aug 01 - 09:41 PM I believe you folks have taken my comments out of context... I was refering to the sheer quantity of mouse's posts that miss this awesome website's focus. If you wish to be insulted by an honest attempt to help, then I would say you are being a flamer. The lust is the same no matter which side you are on. I think the songs posted above were cute, and direct. I got it, because songs, and metered writing is what brought me here (big HERE too). Sorry I wasn't positive enought about that...Mousethief!!!!! However, if you take offence, you're to flame... I spoke from my heart, and I would hasten to add, I love you all... ttr |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: GUEST,Denise:^) Date: 16 Aug 01 - 10:16 PM No problem, SINSULL. Hey, am I the only "GUEST" still hanging 'round this thread? Musta gotten too philosophical, and scared 'em away. (Or bored them to sleep...) Denise:^) |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: GUEST,a gal with no name Date: 16 Aug 01 - 10:50 PM Alex, A click on your Mousetheif name shows that you've made 5,325 postings in the past 352 days. That's more than 15 per day, 7 days per week. It stands to reason that anyone with that many opinions is going to piss someone off now and then. Especially since you often seem to have opinions on subjects that you obviously know nothing about. You say you have a stalker that pops up in the threads you post in and calls you a racist. Well, I see you posting in almost all Mudcat threads and it's almost always without a challenge. More often, I see you starting threads about yourself and how you're being stalked, attacked, etc. You really seem to have a need to call attention to yourself. BTW, when someone flames you. They're just looking for the kind of reaction that you never fail to provide. Respond and they'll keep flaming. Ignore it and they'll just go away. |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: GUEST,Dr. Elizabeth Olivett Date: 16 Aug 01 - 10:54 PM I think we need to consider the possibility that Alex aka mousethief suffers from multiple personality disorder and that he's stalking himself. E. Olivett, MD |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: Thomas the Rhymer Date: 16 Aug 01 - 11:23 PM Dr. Elizabeth,... I am sorry to say, needing as I do to be ever so PC in my rigidly austere lifestyle choices, that you made me laugh so hard, that I am doubled over still... Thanks a LOT! You must be practicing... Mouse, you are cool, take a little teasing in stride, and don't worry about it...ttr |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: Don Firth Date: 17 Aug 01 - 12:44 AM Random observations on a dull TV evening:-- 1. I'm amazed at the amount of time some people have to spend researching someone else's posts. You're having a dull evening too, I take it. 2. Methinks Dr. Elizabeth Olivett is being, perhaps, a bit unlawful and disorderly? In short, Doctor, what are you doing out of the box? Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: GUEST,Against personal attacks Date: 17 Aug 01 - 01:26 AM Cyber bullies are no different than bullies in real life.If they can hurt someone and get away with it they keep up the behavior. Many people do not exercise self control. If they are in a bad mood they snap at the closest target.Obviously when someone seems distressed in a posting, they are an easy target for someone looking for one. |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: GUEST,PAH Date: 17 Aug 01 - 04:51 PM And yet another thread to be filed under "Good Mudcat Advertising....." Sheesh...... PAH |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: Little Hawk Date: 17 Aug 01 - 06:35 PM As Howard the Duck used to say in moments of extreme stress, frustration or disgust with the travails of worldly existence.... WAUGH!!! - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: GUEST,_gargoyle Date: 17 Aug 01 - 09:58 PM Look folks, take it from someone, who has been, (UNJUSTLY) on the "receiving-end" of being accussed of being a malivolent soul.
IF.....a "stalker" was truly malicious....they would do TRULY malicious things: i.e.
Joe has done a nice job of "tightening" things up...but....TRY THIS:
It is a fun-way to learn more about how computer systems work....and it is expescially appealing to pimple plucking pukes on long-dull-summer days.
Now there are those who believe that the posting of ideas promotes...copycat replication....THESE FOLK ALSO don't innoculate their own children. The "Other School of Thought" believes that through public discussion and disclosure the weaknesses will be "innoculated" and the SECURITY tightened to prevent "tinkering with the machinery"
You know....we could start a BS "thread game" and after "cracking" the identity cookie number post it to the thread....with the attached name...then we could all become everyone else.
OK...the time is currently 10:00 p.m. EST Friday, August 17, 2001. How long will this "game-plan" remain posted? Your most humble of servants _Gargoyle |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: GUEST Date: 01 Sep 01 - 10:46 AM refresh |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: GUEST, A Different One Date: 01 Sep 01 - 11:34 AM Well, the sort of lamebrains we seem to be discussing must be LOVING all this argument & backbiting..... |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: Gervase Date: 01 Sep 01 - 11:36 AM Blimey, me posting to one of these irritating wank-threads? But I'm breaking a habit because, finally, something has snapped. I mean, does anyone other than the protagonist actually give a flying fart? Or am I missing something here? Stalking it ain't. If, as has been said, someone wants to stick their head over the parapet and offer an opinion or two on virtually every subject under the sun, they shouldn't be surprised at a little dissent. And surely it's enouraging if that dissenter takes the trouble actually to do some research by looking at the website of the person they're attacking. That they consider Alex to be racist is, IMO, both subjective and wrong, but that's life. I've been accused of racism, sexism and many other -isms in my time. It doesn't bother me one hoot. For Pete's sake, everyone's capable of pissing someone off. Alex may be better than most, but he's not unique. Just learn to roll with it and stop being such a bloody cry-baby about it. Leave the toys in the pram, there's a dear. As someone who has had real threats of physical violence from both the far right and the far left in the course of his real-life work, I really think the current topic is pathetic. Remember - sticks and stones, and a pox on you all. Now, everyone, grow up, or grow a thicker skin. Please!!! And apologies for adding yet another posting to a pointless thread. But, bugger it, it's sometimes good to get these things off one's chest. |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: Big Mick Date: 01 Sep 01 - 11:57 AM Alex, please note that approximately two weeks went by with no posts. So what do these miscreants do? Refresh the thread. Why? Because they are starving. I urge you all not to post here. These unbalanced individuals get bored when they don't get a response. This is further evidence that to ignore them is the best response. As many of us know, there is a small group of hoodlums that think it is funny, or they get their jollies, out of trying to shoot down the "icons"(said with tongue planted firmly in cheek) of the Mudcat, or get reactions from those inclined to do so. Their arousal is heightened when the good citizens of this village rush to take up sides. These folks have a bent spoke. Please let this be the last word in this thread. Mick |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: GUEST Date: 01 Sep 01 - 12:13 PM Big Mick accuses the "miscreants" of refreshing this thread. Well, it was Alex who started this thread, one of a series of threads that he's started to draw attention to himself. Perhaps it was Alex who refreshed the thread because he needed more attention. Or perhaps it was Big Mick so that he could weigh in with his wise "last word." |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: GUEST Date: 02 Sep 01 - 01:59 PM mebbe big mick is jealous of the attention that alex is getting |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: Dicho (Frank Staplin) Date: 02 Sep 01 - 02:55 PM I saw this thread come up and decided to complain about the worst stalkers I know, the internet entrepreneurs who garbage my mail with adds for their useless products and schemes. I hadn't paid much attention to this thread after mousethief's enjoyable skewers, but I just read through part of it and found Gareth's pome. Maybe it is time for mudcat to elect some poet laureates. |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: Jon Freeman Date: 02 Sep 01 - 04:01 PM Gervase, I'm not sure about the rights and wrongs in this particular case but you would do well to look up cyberstalking on the internet. here is one such article. Jon |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: Gareth Date: 02 Sep 01 - 04:13 PM Poem - bleeding heck Dicho - it were a song. Gareth |
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Subject: RE: BS: For my Cyberstalker From: GUEST,Abigail Van Buren Date: 03 Sep 01 - 01:56 PM You people are in serious need of a life. Signed, Dear Abby |