Subject: Lyr/Tune Add: RAMBLEAWAY (from Waterson:Carthy) From: Snuffy Date: 26 Jan 02 - 02:19 PM I got this version by Waterson:Carthy from a Topic sampler CD. The lyrics are sufficiently different to those in the DT, and the tune resembles neither of those in DT (presumably from Hickerson and Redpath).
RAMBLEAWAY
As I was a-going to Pocklington Fair MIDI file: RAMBLAW2.MID Timebase: 480 Tempo: 110 (545454 microsec/crotchet) This program is worth the effort of learning it. To download the March 10 MIDItext 98 software and get instructions on how to use it click here ABC format: X: 225 |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Rambleaway, Waterson:Carthy From: Desdemona Date: 26 Jan 02 - 02:23 PM This actually raises an issue I've had literally for YEARS: why is it that, in traditional/folk songs, girls never fail to get pregnant the first time they have sex?! Think about it.......it's an EPIDEMIC! |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Rambleaway, Waterson:Carthy From: Mark Cohen Date: 26 Jan 02 - 02:48 PM Not only in folk songs! Actually, I think it's what's called a "device" -- similarly, what are the odds of meeting a significant person every time you go rambling through the woods on a May morning? Of course, a different sort of device might have prevented the problem you mentioned, Desdemona.... There's also a version of Rambleaway that John Roberts and Tony Barrand did on their first album, "Spencer the Rover is Alive and Well and Living in Ithaca" -- when I have the time I'll post those lyrics, if nobody beats me to it. Aloha, Mark |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Rambleaway, Waterson:Carthy From: Jeri Date: 26 Jan 02 - 03:48 PM Here's the one in the DT to which Snuffy refers. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Rambleaway, Waterson:Carthy From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 26 Jan 02 - 04:34 PM Martin Carthy's notes (Common Tongue, Topic TSCD488, 1997) don't say where he got the text, but do mention that the tune is "more usually associated" with Old Mother Crawley (a song which seems only to have been collected once); presumably Waterson:Carthy set the text to this tune. Carthy used an adaptation of the same tune for his re-write of Jack Rowland. Pocklington is in Yorkshire, incidentally; it's unclear whether this is a traditional Yorkshire version or a Waterson:Carthy localisation.
The DT file doesn't name any traditional source for its text, which presumably came from a Joe Hickerson record. The first tune, RAMBLAW2, is the one used by Jean Redpath (and others before her); her text -somewhat different- was, she thought, a composite of several she had heard from other people. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Rambleaway, Waterson:Carthy From: Snuffy Date: 26 Jan 02 - 05:54 PM Thanks, Malcolm. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Rambleaway, Waterson:Carthy From: pavane Date: 27 Jan 02 - 03:48 PM Seems a bit of a tame version. I like the verse where 'So I gave her three doubles, with fair length and (oops, forgotten that bit)' (Young Tradition and no doubt other versions). And as for getting pregnant on the first time, well they WOULD say it was, wouldn't they. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Rambleaway, Waterson:Carthy From: Desdemona Date: 27 Jan 02 - 05:34 PM AHA----excellent point!!!! It is indeed a "device", and one that can be pretty amusing if you think of it in the light Mark mentions above: "Sheesh! Every time I walk out the door to go to market day, to check on my father's sheep, to have a ramble on the moor/heather/woodland, or just to milk the damn cow, I run across some irresistible silver-tongued devil who immediately gets me pregnant!!!" |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Rambleaway, Waterson:Carthy From: Snuffy Date: 27 Jan 02 - 06:24 PM Pavane , That verse is in the Hickerson/Redpath version which is already in the DT with two different tunes. See Jeri's blicky (above) for the link to it. WassaiL! V |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Rambleaway, Waterson:Carthy From: GUEST,English Jon Date: 28 Jan 02 - 06:38 AM Who's eaten my biscuit? I knew the song (with this tune) from my Dad's singing. He MAY have got it from Tim Hart, hence W:C COULD HAVE got it from Steeleye repetoire. Pure conjecture, however. I'll ask him later. EJ |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Rambleaway, Waterson:Carthy From: nutty Date: 28 Jan 02 - 03:45 PM There's another slightly different version in the Bodleian Library Young Rambleaway |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Rambleaway, Waterson:Carthy From: Mark Cohen Date: 29 Jan 02 - 05:08 AM nutty, I believe that's where the Roberts/Barrand version came from. Unfortunately I didn't write their version down, and while I have their record I don't have a turntable. But it's similar to the Bodleian one. John Roberts wrote on the album jacket (1971), regarding their "Rambleaway": "Very common in the English tradition, especially in the South, I learned this version at the Manchester University Folk Song Club, from a singer whose name I am afraid I don't recall." And him with a degree in folklore and everything! Aloha, Mark |
Subject: Lyr Add: RAMBLEAWAY (from J Roberts & T Barrand) From: Mark Cohen Date: 29 Jan 02 - 05:29 AM Found it! RAMBLEAWAY as recorded by John Roberts and Tony Barrand, 1971 As I was walking down Birmingham Street In my new scarlet jacket all neat and complete The young girls they smiled as they passed me by Saying one to anohter, there goes Rambleaway And as I was walking through Birmingham fair I spied pretty Nancy combing her hair She smiled to my face and to me did say Ain't you the young lad they call Rambleaway? I said, "Pretty Nancy, don't you smile in my face I do not intend to stay long in this place" "Then where are you going? Come tell me, my dear" I told her I'd ramble, the devil knows where When twenty-four weeks they were over and past This pretty young wench she grew thick round the waist And her gown wouldn't meet nor her apron strings tie And she longed for the sight of young Rambleaway So come all you young maidens, take a warning from me When you're courting your fellows, don't be easy or free Don't dress yourselves up and go out on the play For it's there you may meet with young Rambleaway The tune is vaguely similar to the first one in the DT, if you squint your ears. Aloha, Mark |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Rambleaway, Waterson:Carthy From: Wolfgang Date: 29 Jan 02 - 09:27 AM Desdemona, if you had sex for the first time and got NOT pregnant were you likely to talk about it to the world? All those many times that happens nobody but the two knows usually and with nobody else knowing there will be no song. Wolfgang |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Rambleaway, Waterson:Carthy From: Desert Dancer Date: 29 Jan 02 - 12:35 PM John Roberts & Tony Barrand "Spencer the Rover is Alive and Well.." has finally been reissued on cd by Swallowtail Records (ST-0001). It's available from Swallowtail (although their web site says they only have cassettes) or Golden Hind Records (which is John & Tony's label/distribution site). (Unfortunately, the link to the "lyrics and notes" there is either dead or premature...) ~ Becky in Tucson |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Rambleaway, Waterson:Carthy From: Sandy Paton Date: 29 Jan 02 - 07:39 PM It's also available from Folk-Legacy, as are all of the CDs by John and Tony. Folk-Legacy makes shopping easy for internet purchasers by accepting credit cards (except American Express). By the way, wasn't John's degree in psychology, as was Tony's? Sandy |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Rambleaway, Waterson:Carthy From: Mark Cohen Date: 29 Jan 02 - 09:42 PM Of course, Sandy, but that's the folk process at work. Makes for a much more effective line that way...! Actually, though, I seem to recall seeing them in Philly in the 70s and hearing that one or the other or both was/were in the Department of Folklore at Penn. Though that could very well have been somebody else. Hedy West would know. Aloha, Mark |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Rambleaway, Waterson:Carthy From: GUEST,JohnB Date: 30 Jan 02 - 12:20 PM I like the version which the Albion Band do, not sure what albumn it's on though. JohnB |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Rambleaway, Waterson:Carthy From: Desert Dancer Date: 30 Jan 02 - 07:09 PM J & T went from grad school at Cornell in perceptual psychology (whatever the heck that is) to teaching and "psychology & the arts" at Marlborough College in Vermont, then John dropped out of teaching and Tony went on to Boston U., where he teaches now, continuing an interdisciplinary approach to psychology & arts. A. Phan (Thanks to Keith Fotheringham in Sing Out! Vol. 42#3) (or ignore this, and develop the myth further as you choose! ;-) ) |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Rambleaway, Waterson:Carthy From: Desdemona Date: 30 Jan 02 - 07:45 PM I suppose Wolfgang's point is well-taken: it wouldn't make for a very dramatic song if all you had to work with was: "I went out to milk the cows/check the sheep/have a ramble, met a handsome young rogue & had sex & that was the end of it"! |
Subject: RambleAway From: GUEST,Pat Thomas (cerpyril@aol.co.uk) Date: 17 May 02 - 12:42 PM Help anyone - I am looking for lyrics to RambleAway - not the one that is given in the search, although it is similar. I sang it years ago & would like to do it again but have lost words - Eliza Carthy does a version which is similar.
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: RambleAway From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 17 May 02 - 12:58 PM A transcription of the set recorded by Waterson-Carthy was posted in this earlier discussion: Lyr Add: Rambleaway, Waterson:Carthy. They didn't name a source for the text, and have set it to a tune from another song. Also in that thread is the text recorded by Barrand and Roberts, which they learned from an unnamed singer in a folk club. It's pretty much the usual one that was circulating in the folk clubs in the 1960s and 70s. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: RambleAway From: nutty Date: 17 May 02 - 05:45 PM The Bodleian Library has a similar ballad (circa 1850) printed in Preston (Lancs) that the Watersons version may have come from ......... Young Rambleaway |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Rambleaway, Waterson:Carthy From: GUEST,Pat Date: 23 May 02 - 03:36 PM Please does anyone know the version which starts: As I was a walking to Tetbury fair???? |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Rambleaway, Waterson:Carthy From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 23 May 02 - 03:48 PM Ian White has just posted the information to uk.music.folk that this is the set recorded by the Albion Band on their album 1990 (Topic TSCD 457), and that the track also appears on the Folk Heritage II sampler (MCCD 049). I haven't found any references to a Tetbury Fair version in tradition; does anybody know if the Albions named their source? |
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