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Origin: Ballad of Seth Davy / Whiskey on a Sunday

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WHISKEY ON A SUNDAY or COME DAY, GO DAY


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Lyr Req: Whiskey on a Sunday (45)
Seth Davy info please (30)
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John MacKenzie 12 Nov 08 - 07:12 AM
Mr Happy 12 Nov 08 - 07:55 AM
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GUEST,Jake 12 Nov 08 - 05:41 PM
GUEST,machree01 13 Nov 08 - 06:18 AM
GUEST,Rich 13 Nov 08 - 03:34 PM
GUEST,DESI 14 Dec 08 - 07:28 AM
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Malcolm Douglas 09 Jan 09 - 08:57 AM
Nigel Parsons 09 Jan 09 - 09:03 AM
Noreen 11 Jan 09 - 07:50 PM
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GUEST,Chrissie 28 Jun 09 - 10:22 AM
vectis 28 Jun 09 - 10:30 AM
Noreen 29 Jun 09 - 07:32 AM
Matthew Edwards 30 Jun 09 - 07:33 AM
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Subject: Who Wrote The Ballad of Seth Davy
From: Raggytash
Date: 08 Feb 02 - 03:03 PM

I would like to find who wrote the Ballad of Seth Davy and definitive words if possibly

    He sat on the corner of Bevington Bush
    astride of an old packing case
    and the dolls at the end of his plank went dancing
    as he crooned with a smile on his face

    Come day go day
    wish in me heart for Sunday
    drinking butter milk all the week
    whisky on a Sunday


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Subject: RE: Who Wrote The Ballad of Seth Davy
From: MMario
Date: 08 Feb 02 - 03:23 PM

Whiskey on a sunday is attributed to Glyn Hughes in the DT


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Subject: Lyr Add: WHISKEY ON A SUNDAY (Glyn Hughes)
From: Joan from Wigan
Date: 08 Feb 02 - 03:32 PM

WHISKEY ON A SUNDAY
(Glyn Hughes)

He sits in the corner of old Beggar's Bush
On top of an old packing crate
He has three wooden dolls that can dance and can sing
And he croons with a smile on his face

CHORUS
Come day go day
Wish in my heart it were Sunday
Drinking buttermilk through the week
Whiskey on a Sunday

His tired old hands tug away at the strings
And the puppets dance up and down
A far better show than you ever would see
In the fanciest theatre in town

And sad to relate that old Seth Davy died
In nineteen-oh-four
The three wooden dolls in the dustbin were laid
His song will be heard nevermore

But some stormy night when you're passing that way
And the wind's blowing up from the sea
You'll still hear the song of old Seth Davy
As he croons to his dancing dolls three


I don't know if this is the original version or not - I remember from years ago a singer telling us that Seth Davy actually died in 1902, and I always sing that date in the version I do (which isn't the above, by the way). This version is from a website which gives lots of information about Dancing Dolls.

Joan


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Subject: RE: Who Wrote The Ballad of Seth Davy
From: Barry Finn
Date: 08 Feb 02 - 08:17 PM

I think there was quite a nice thread on this some time ago. Good luck, Barry


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Subject: RE: Who Wrote The Ballad of Seth Davy
From: Joan from Wigan
Date: 09 Feb 02 - 03:03 AM

There are two previous threads:
Seth Davy info please and
Whisky on a Sunday.

The version I know is the same as that quoted by roopoo in the first of the above links, and is the one sung by most if not all of my fellow Liverpudlians.

Joan (originally from Liverpool)


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Subject: RE: Who Wrote The Ballad of Seth Davy
From: Joan from Wigan
Date: 09 Feb 02 - 03:14 AM

Out of curiosity, I've just been looking on the web for Beggars Bush and Bevington Bush. The former is apparently in Dublin, while Bevington Bush was/is in Liverpool: "the name of a thickly wooded valley between Bevington Hill and Everton Hill. An inn on Bevington Hill was called 'The Bush'." The area has not been 'thickly wooded' for many many years, but the area fits. As the version of the song quoted in the DT is that sung by the Irish Rovers, perhaps they changed the location to suited their Irish origins?

Joan


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Subject: RE: Who Wrote The Ballad of Seth Davy
From: Raggytash
Date: 09 Feb 02 - 03:27 AM

A dancing doll is a wooden manikin pivoted at the shoulders, hips and knees, held by a thin rod about 18 inched long drilled into it's back. It is made to dance by placing it on a 4 x 24 inch thin plank which is then drummed with the fingers causing the doll to "dance" The second verse in the version I know goes "his tired old drummed a wooden beam, and the puppets dolls they danced the gear, a far better show than you ever did see, at the Pavvy on New Brighton Pier. This again would indicate the Liverpool connnection


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Subject: RE: Who Wrote The Ballad of Seth Davy
From: Hrothgar
Date: 09 Feb 02 - 04:51 AM

I know the dolls as "nimblejacks."


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Subject: RE: Who Wrote The Ballad of Seth Davy
From: GUEST,manda
Date: 11 Nov 08 - 04:03 PM

The song was written in liverpool - but changed to suit the irish


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Subject: RE: Who Wrote The Ballad of Seth Davy
From: breezy
Date: 11 Nov 08 - 04:18 PM

nobody has mentioned the Spinners, till now, who may be able throw further light on the subject.

Any Spinners out there?


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Subject: RE: Who Wrote The Ballad of Seth Davy
From: Arkie
Date: 11 Nov 08 - 10:50 PM

The lyrics above indicate that the dolls were puppets worked by strings. My recollection of the song referred to the dancing dolls mentioned above which are also called Limberjims here in the Arkansas Ozarks.


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Subject: RE: Who Wrote The Ballad of Seth Davy
From: Mr Happy
Date: 12 Nov 08 - 04:38 AM

Jackie & Bridie used to do this song & had dolls dancing on a wooden stave as accompaniment


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Subject: RE: Who Wrote The Ballad of Seth Davy
From: Mr Happy
Date: 12 Nov 08 - 04:41 AM

ps

not the kind with strings.

The dolls were wooden with jointed limbs, had a stick in their backs, & the puppeteer sat on the stave & banged it with a fist, so that the dolls danced a sort've tapdance!


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Subject: RE: Who Wrote The Ballad of Seth Davy
From: Bernard
Date: 12 Nov 08 - 06:37 AM

According to this site the writer was Glyn Hughes...


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Subject: RE: Who Wrote The Ballad of Seth Davy
From: Manitas_at_home
Date: 12 Nov 08 - 06:50 AM

...and not Glyn Hughes as credited in the first couple of postings then?


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Subject: RE: Who Wrote The Ballad of Seth Davy
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 12 Nov 08 - 07:12 AM

Jig Dolls.

JM


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Subject: RE: Who Wrote The Ballad of Seth Davy
From: Mr Happy
Date: 12 Nov 08 - 07:55 AM

Its a little disappointing to find that many've the songs I'd thought old & traditional were actually composed in the 1960s & 70s


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Subject: RE: Who Wrote The Ballad of Seth Davy
From: SINSULL
Date: 12 Nov 08 - 03:30 PM

Mr. Happy, if a song is good, it doesn't matter when it was written. Share it.


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Subject: RE: Who Wrote The Ballad of Seth Davy
From: GUEST,Jake
Date: 12 Nov 08 - 05:41 PM

The Houghton Weavers did a terrific version of this song. It's sang beautifully and the melody is lovely.


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Subject: RE: Who Wrote The Ballad of Seth Davy
From: GUEST,machree01
Date: 13 Nov 08 - 06:18 AM

I have a Danny Doyle album, called "Whiskey On A Sunday" {1968} the song remained at No. 1 in the Irish charts for 10 weeks.


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Subject: RE: Who Wrote The Ballad of Seth Davy
From: GUEST,Rich
Date: 13 Nov 08 - 03:34 PM

For info, from www.fsc.org


Whisky on a Sunday, AKA Come Day, Go Day, AKA Seth Davy was written in the 1960s by Glyn Hughes. Hughes was born in Liverpool in 1932 and died there in 1972. During his brief life he had many occupations: journalist, short-story writer, bookseller's assistant, musician in a circus, film extra, hotel liftman and song writer, to mention only a few. The song is about a well-known Jamaican street entertainer in Liverpool in the 1890s/1900s and has been recorded by among others The Dubliners, The Irish Rovers and Rolf Harris.

Gerry Jones, Liverpool singer, says:
"Seth Davy was a real person, he really existed, and he died a couple of years into the 20th century. There was a street and a pub, both called Bevington Bush just north of Liverpool City Centre, and Seth Davy did do a busking act outside.
"In his book Liverpool: Our City - Our Heritage, Freddie O'Connor tells us that in 1760, half a mile from Marybone (St Patrick's Cross) along Bevington Bush Road was a hamlet named Bevington Bush which had an inn called simply the Bush, which became a favourite haunt for folk to travel out into the country, to the Bevy Inn, as it became fondly known. With the opening of Scotland Road, the ancient Bevington Bush Road became a minor road amidst the massive slum district that would soon engulf it. As the district was built up it also lost its original name.
"Please do not be taken in by any Irish versions of this song, or any reference to "Bebbington". Bebington is "over the water" - not in Liverpool at all. I know the truth for a fact because, when I was a brand-new teacher in the Dingle in 1963, our old lollypop man told me that he had actually seen Seth Davy doing his stuff. So I have spoken to a first-hand witness.
"I have heard that Seth Davy's own singing was a non-too-wonderful monotone, and not the pleasant melody that was written about him in the 60s folk boom."


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Subject: RE: Origin: Ballad of Seth Davy / Whiskey on a Sunday
From: GUEST,DESI
Date: 14 Dec 08 - 07:28 AM

As an Irish singer who performs this song, I can confirm that indeed it's not an Irish song at all, but as most people point out it stems from Liverpool where there was a real street entertainer named Seth Davel. Many somgs get 'adopted' by my country folk and Seth Davely has the sound of a good Irish song, bit like Dirty Old Town who many Irish and English believe to be Irish, in fact the 'dirty old town' in question refers to the home town of the writer Ewan Mc'coll, Salford near Manchester. It's a cedit to Glyn Hughes writing skills that many including myself originally thought it to be a much older traditional song, I'll be singing Seth Davey tonight 14/12/08 as it happens
Desi, the artist formerly known as, who?


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Subject: RE: Origin: Ballad of Seth Davy / Whiskey on a Sunday
From: scouse
Date: 14 Dec 08 - 07:56 AM

I learn these words over on the "posh." side. i.e. The one eyed city!!

His tired old hands drummed wooden beams
And the puppet Dolls they danced the gear
A better show ever, that you would see
At the Tivvie (Tivoli) or New Brighton Pier

An on some stormy night down "Scotty." road way
When the wind's blows up from the sea
You can still hear the sound of old Seth Davy
As he croons to his dancing dolls three.

As Aye,

Phil.


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Subject: RE: Origin: Ballad of Seth Davy / Whiskey on a Sunday
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 14 Dec 08 - 08:38 AM

It occurs to me that the ranges of local words to this song is supportive of the Karpeles defintion.


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Subject: RE: Origin: Ballad of Seth Davy / Whiskey on a Sunday
From: Joybell
Date: 14 Dec 08 - 04:56 PM

Does anyone else keep falling into 3/4 time while singing this song, or is it just me?


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Subject: RE: Origin: Ballad of Seth Davy / Whiskey on a Sunday
From: Bernard
Date: 14 Dec 08 - 06:35 PM

Uhh?!!


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Subject: RE: Origin: Ballad of Seth Davy / Whiskey on a Sunday
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 14 Dec 08 - 07:27 PM

I never bothered to think about it but isn't part of it 4/4 and part 3/4?

I, however, do "the WIld Mountain Thyme" in 4/4.


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Subject: RE: Origin: Ballad of Seth Davy / Whiskey on a Sunday
From: GUEST,Bill the sound
Date: 14 Dec 08 - 07:30 PM

I found this track on a Max Boyce album, The Miles and the Roads
he gives credit to Glyn Hughes, I hope he's right.
Bill


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Subject: RE: Origin: Ballad of Seth Davy / Whiskey on a Sunday
From: Bernard
Date: 14 Dec 08 - 07:36 PM

I've always done both entirely in 3/4...

Bill the Sound... don't let Manitas hear you say that! I had the temerity to post a link to a website... it seems that someone had already mentioned the Glyn Hughes connection... sshhh!!

;o)


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Subject: RE: Origin: Ballad of Seth Davy / Whiskey on a Sunday
From: GUEST,White Camry
Date: 08 Jan 09 - 03:35 PM

"The song is about a well-known Jamaican street entertainer in Liverpool in the 1890s/1900s ... "

Was Seth Davy black, then?


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Subject: RE: Origin: Ballad of Seth Davy / Whiskey on a Sunday
From: GUEST,Dave MacKenzie
Date: 08 Jan 09 - 08:02 PM

I was told that Bevington Bush was the site of the old Liverpool Sally Army Hostel.


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Subject: RE: Origin: Ballad of Seth Davy / Whiskey on a Sunday
From: banjoman
Date: 09 Jan 09 - 07:43 AM

I have known this song a long time, and when I first learnt it I remember my Mum telling me that her Grandmother had related how she had seen a man with dancing dolls outside the Bevington Bush pub which stood on the junction of bevington Bush and Scotland Road - I remember that - so it probably confirms the date suggested by White Canary.


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Subject: RE: Origin: Ballad of Seth Davy / Whiskey on a Sunday
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 09 Jan 09 - 07:51 AM

"The song is about a well-known Jamaican street entertainer in Liverpool in the 1890s/1900s ... "

Was Seth Davy black, then?

Chances are...


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Subject: RE: Origin: Ballad of Seth Davy / Whiskey on a Sunday
From: Noreen
Date: 09 Jan 09 - 08:46 AM

I've only ever heard it completely in 3/4.

...Bevington Bush which had an inn called simply the Bush, which became a favourite haunt for folk to travel out into the country, to the Bevy Inn...

Hence, going for a Bevy?!


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Subject: RE: Origin: Ballad of Seth Davy / Whiskey on a Sunday
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 09 Jan 09 - 08:57 AM

The trouble with songs that are discussed over multiple threads is that few people bother to read the other ones, so the same questions and answers tend to be repeated and the same ground covered over and over again; not least when an old discussion like this one is revived after six years of merciful oblivion by somebody with nothing new to say. Such people tend to resurrect the least informative thread available, of course.

There is more information about Davy himself in other threads (see links above) including the fact that Fritz Spiegl reckoned to have seen a photograph of him. See Matthew Edwards' post in Lyr Req: Whiskey on a Sunday.


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Subject: RE: Origin: Ballad of Seth Davy / Whiskey on a Sunday
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 09 Jan 09 - 09:03 AM

Noreen:
I think you'll find that Bevvy is a shortened form of Beverage.

Cheers
Nigel


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Subject: RE: Origin: Ballad of Seth Davy / Whiskey on a Sunday
From: Noreen
Date: 11 Jan 09 - 07:50 PM

That's what I had always assumed, Nigel- but it could just as well be the other- do you have any evidence?


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Subject: RE: Origin: Ballad of Seth Davy / Whiskey on a Sunday
From: GUEST,John Forrest Liverpool
Date: 12 May 09 - 04:52 PM

A wonderful song,

Rolf Harris sings it with the doll on you tube.

Incidentally Going for a "Bevvy" has nothing to do with
the song, it means going for a beverage.


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Subject: RE: Origin: Ballad of Seth Davy / Whiskey on a Sunday
From: GUEST,Chrissie
Date: 28 Jun 09 - 10:22 AM

Seeing as though the song mentions the Pavvy (New Brighton (Floral)pavilion), and New brighton pier, could the frist line also be interpreted as Bebington Bush - thus aligning it more to Wirral?


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Subject: RE: Origin: Ballad of Seth Davy / Whiskey on a Sunday
From: vectis
Date: 28 Jun 09 - 10:30 AM

I thought the line read
The palais or New Brighton Parade.


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Subject: RE: Origin: Ballad of Seth Davy / Whiskey on a Sunday
From: Noreen
Date: 29 Jun 09 - 07:32 AM

You can interpret it any way you like, Chrissie (as many people do!) but the orginal words say Bevington Bush.


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Subject: RE: Origin: Ballad of Seth Davy / Whiskey on a Sunday
From: Matthew Edwards
Date: 30 Jun 09 - 07:33 AM

Thanks to Chrissie, vectis and Noreen for reviving this topic.
There are several threads discussing the song, and it seems to be a matter of luck as to which one turns up in a Google or other search.

As I live in Bebington in Wirral I can state that there isn't any location known as "Bebington Bush", and to the best of my knowledge there never has been. As a mainly suburban area it wouldn't have been a prime spot for a street entertainer to work. So far as I've been able to discover all the memories of Seth Davy are associated with Liverpool, and although the song does mention New Brighton Pier I haven't yet seen any evidence that Seth Davy performed there.

The "Pivvy" could be a reference to the Pavilion, but some singers sing the words as "Tivvy" - a reference to the Tivoli Palace of Varieties in Lime Street, Liverpool.

I did mention in another thread on this song Lyr Req: Whiskey on a Sunday that the late Fritz Spiegl had found an old magic lantern slide showing a street scene outside the Bevington Bush Hotel from the late 19th century. This shows an elderly black man seated on some sort of box playing a set of jig dolls on a plank and surrounded by children. I've now seen the original slide which is labelled "Davy" and I hope to be able to publish it soon with the owner's consent. I'm sure that Glyn Hughes must have seen this slide, or a picture based on it, when he wrote the song since the scene exactly matches the first verse:-

"He sat at the corner of Bevington Bush
Astride an old packing case
And the dolls on the end of his plank went dancing
As he crooned with a smile on his face."


Matthew Edwards


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Subject: RE: Origin: Ballad of Seth Davy / Whiskey on a Sunday
From: Brakn
Date: 30 Jun 09 - 08:38 AM

I get the feeling that his real name was not "Seth Dav(e)y" He doesn't appear on the 1901 census and no-one is registered as dying called that name around that period.

There is a Thomas Henry Davies born West Indies in 1860 living as a pauper in Toxteth Park Workhouse in 1901.


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Subject: RE: Origin: Ballad of Seth Davy / Whiskey on a Sunday
From: GUEST,Big Elk
Date: 30 Jun 09 - 12:24 PM

If she is still with us try and contact Jackie Mc Donald who used to be 1/2 of Jackie and Bridie. 4 years ago she was involved with the Chester Folk Club.

She is a walking encyclopedia


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Subject: RE: Origin: Ballad of Seth Davy / Whiskey on a Sunday
From: GUEST,ChrisJBrady
Date: 05 Nov 09 - 11:31 AM

Quote "I did mention in another thread on this song Lyr Req: Whiskey on a Sunday that the late Fritz Spiegl had found an old magic lantern slide showing a street scene outside the Bevington Bush Hotel from the late 19th century. This shows an elderly black man seated on some sort of box playing a set of jig dolls on a plank and surrounded by children. I've now seen the original slide which is labelled "Davy" and I hope to be able to publish it soon with the owner's consent. I'm sure that Glyn Hughes must have seen this slide, or a picture based on it, when he wrote the song since the scene exactly matches the first verse:-

"He sat at the corner of Bevington Bush
Astride an old packing case
And the dolls on the end of his plank went dancing
As he crooned with a smile on his face."

Matthew Edwards" Unquote.

I wonder if there is a view of this slide on the web please, or did it ever get published? Many thanks - Chris B.


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Subject: RE: Origin: Ballad of Seth Davy / Whiskey on a Sunday
From: GUEST,ChrisJBrady
Date: 05 Nov 09 - 11:51 AM

Folks may be interested in my new pahe:

http://chrisbrady.itgo.com/jigdolls/jigdolls.htm

Chris B.


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Subject: RE: Origin: Ballad of Seth Davy / Whiskey on a Sunday
From: GUEST,Graham Sugdon
Date: 09 Mar 10 - 02:46 PM

i was playing/ singing whiskey on a Sunday in a pub in St Abbs in 1976 after i finished a man came to me thanked me for my rendition of the song and introduced me to his elderly mother who could remember sitting and watching Seth Davy .
My father Bernard (1926 - 2007)made a dancing doll and used to have it dancing whilst i sang and played at family gatherings .
i still perform this song today and always enjoy the song, my fathers doll is residing in the loft and has never been dancing since he died .


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Subject: RE: Origin: Ballad of Seth Davy / Whiskey on a Sunday
From: GUEST,Tom Campbell
Date: 12 Feb 12 - 06:27 PM

I learned this from a guy in the Fox & Vivian folk club in Leamington Spa in the 1970's.

Sep Davey.

He sat on the corner of Bebbington Bush Astride of an old packing case And the dolls on the end of a plank went dancing as he crooned with a smile on his face.

Chorus: Come day go day, wishing me heart for Sunday, Drinking Buttermilk all the week Whisky on a Sunday.

His tired old hand beat the wooden seat and the puppet dolls they danced so gear, A better show than you never have seen At the Pivvy or New Brighton Pier

Chorus.

Well in 1905, old Sep Davey died And his songs was heard no more And the three dancing dolls In a jowlie was ended And the plank went to mend a back door.

Chorus.

Now on cold stormy nights Down Scottie Road way When the wind howls up from the sea You can still hear the voice of old Sep Davey As he croons to his dancing dolls three.

Chorus.

Gear = Good Jowlie = Dustbin Pivvy = The Pavilion Theatre Scottie Road = Scotland Road


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Subject: RE: Origin: Ballad of Seth Davy / Whiskey on a Sunday
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Apr 13 - 10:25 AM

He sat on the corner of Bevington Bush,
Astride an old packing case;
And the dolls at the end of the plank went dancing,
As he crooned with a smile on his face:

La, la, la, la.... Come day, go day,
Wish in me heart for Sunday;
La, la, la, la.... Drinking buttermilk all the week,
And it's whisky on a Sunday.

His tired old hands drummed the wooden beam,
And the puppets they danced t' gear;
A far better show then you ever would see,
At the Pivvy or New Brighton Pier.

La, la, la, la.... Come day, go day,
Wish in me heart for Sunday;
La, la, la, la.... Drinking buttermilk all the week,
And it's whisky on a Sunday.

But in 1902, old Seth Davy died,
His song it was heard no more;
The three dancing dolls in a jowler-bin ended,
The plank went to mend a back door.

La, la, la, la.... Come day, go day,
Wish in me heart for Sunday;
La, la, la, la.... Drinking buttermilk all the week,
And it's whisky on a Sunday.

But on some stormy nights, down Scotty Road way,
With the wind blowing in from the sea,
You can still hear the song of old Seth Davy,
As he crooned to his dancing dolls three:

La, la, la, la.... Come day, go day,
Wish in me heart for Sunday;
La, la, la, la.... Drinking buttermilk all the week,
And it's whisky on a Sunday.
La, la, la, la.... Drinking buttermilk all the week,
And it's whisky on a Sunday.

Bevington bush was a pub on Scotland Road (Scotty Rd)


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Subject: RE: Origin: Ballad of Seth Davy / Whiskey on a Sunday
From: Snuffy
Date: 16 Apr 13 - 12:07 PM

Bevington Bush is still a street in Liverpool 3 off Scotland Road (53.41542 -2.98363), but there isn't much left there now. Was the pub named after the street, or vice-versa?


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Subject: RE: Origin: Ballad of Seth Davy / Whiskey on a Sunday
From: Noreen
Date: 16 Apr 13 - 06:44 PM

Snuffy, the place came first-

see this page: LIVERPOOL'S GHOST STREETS: BEVINGTON BUSH:

In the middle of the 18th century, however, the fields around here were gold and green. Bevington Bush was a hamlet hunkered within a thickly wooded hill. The 'bush', was a patch of elevated land on which a profitable crop of corn grew. In 'A History of Corn Milling' ...Bevington Bush is listed as having four windmills in 1768. ... The tower of the most northerly mill was demolished in the 1960s....

Two centuries ago Bevington Bush was a pastoral idyll. City merchants used to enjoy nothing better, on a Sunday afternoon, than to stroll from the industry of town to the open fields of Bevington Bush ? the first village on the road to Preston.
They chose their route well. For Bevington Bush was home to a popular inn, perfectly placed for that reviving Sunday afternoon session.....

In his book Liverpool: Our City ? Our Heritage, (pub: Bluecoat Press) historian Freddie O'Connor reveals that "?In 1760, half a mile from St Patrick's Cross (in what's now Great Crosshall Street) along Bevington Bush Road was an inn called simply The Bush, which became a favourite haunt for folk to travel out into the country, to the Bevy Inn, as it became fondly known."

And before you say anything ? no, that's not why we say we're going for a bevvy. Obviously. Although 'The Bevvy' does get a mention in another book: Recollections of Old Liverpool (pub: Echo Press, Middlesex), "The sailors were very fond of going to the Bevington Bush Inn, or The Bevvy, with their sweethearts, and many a boisterous scene have I witnessed there. The view was really beautiful from the gardens?. Along the Scotland Road were cornfields, meadows and gardens?"
The gardens didn't last long. With the opening of Scotland Road the ancient hamlet of Bevington Bush soon became surrounded by our ever-growing city. But the inn remained ? even adding its own brewery, Hallsal Seager and Co, in 1834.


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Subject: RE: Origin: Ballad of Seth Davy / Whiskey on a Sunday
From: Noreen
Date: 16 Apr 13 - 07:11 PM

LIVERPOOL GREAT ? Seth Davy


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Subject: RE: Origin: Ballad of Seth Davy / Whiskey on a Sunday
From: Snuffy
Date: 17 Apr 13 - 03:20 AM

Apparently Dan Lowry (of Whip Jamboree fame) was also associated with Bevington Bush. According to the newspaper report shown here Liverpool Mercury, January 16th 1864
In the neighbourhood of Vauxhall Rd and Scotland Rd, and the immediate streets less damage was sustained. A house in Marlborough St, Scotland Rd, had the windows shattered. At the music hall "Dan Lowry's Music Saloon" Bevington Bush, a large plate glass window was broken, several of the pieces scattered on the pavement beneath.


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Subject: RE: Origin: Ballad of Seth Davy / Whiskey on a Sunday
From: Noreen
Date: 17 Apr 13 - 05:53 PM

Thanks Snuffy- that's fascinating, as is the rest of that site!


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Subject: RE: Origin: Ballad of Seth Davy / Whiskey on a Sunday
From: GUEST,94Mikej
Date: 21 Jun 13 - 10:00 AM

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-0oNFnmvZcsI/TlvEX_PB7nI/AAAAAAAAADo/SlDtOmxKH48/s1600/Seth%2BDavy.jpg

Pic of Seth Davy at Bevington Bush, Liverpool (from a lantern slide, circa 1900)


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Subject: RE: Origin: Ballad of Seth Davy / Whiskey on a Sunday
From: breezy
Date: 21 Jun 13 - 04:04 PM

I heard that the date in the song 1905 was not the year of Seth's death but was used because it rhymes.

I thought it was 1903 but I dont really know, but it was not 1905

B****y Nickemall Iris sh   !! ;-]

Saw Jackie and Bridie perform this at the Troubadour mid 60s got their vynil too

Spinners popularised this song so give em some credit otherwise Rolf 'Tie me Kanga down ' would never have sung it .

When i visited Blackpool in 1990 a busker in the market worked such dolls with his feet


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Subject: RE: Origin: Ballad of Seth Davy / Whiskey on a Sunday
From: Noreen
Date: 21 Jun 13 - 06:46 PM

breezy, what is the relevance of your offensive comment about the Irish? Would you rather Irish people didn't sing this song for some reason?

There is a major connection between Ireland and Liverpool for obvious reasons, so it would be very strange if each didn't sing the other's songs.


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Subject: RE: Origin: Ballad of Seth Davy / Whiskey on a Sunday
From: GUEST,Mick
Date: 08 Sep 17 - 11:00 AM

Any additional info please on Glyn Hughes himself?


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Subject: RE: Origin: Ballad of Seth Davy / Whiskey on a Sunday
From: FreddyHeadey
Date: 08 Sep 17 - 12:13 PM

Mick, there isn't much but see these other two threads
 Lyr Req: Whiskey on a Sunday
thread.cfm?threadid=91115#2421484 
&
Who is/was Glyn Hughes
thread.cfm?threadid=33415#2608823 

~~~~~~~~~
'glyn hughes' in the "Lyrics & Knowledge Search" box up in the top right corner will get you loads of hits but those seem to be the main threads mentioning him


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Subject: RE: Origin: Ballad of Seth Davy / Whiskey on a Sunday
From: GUEST,bradfordian
Date: 08 Sep 17 - 12:33 PM

Seth Davy Picture --Click


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Subject: RE: Origin: Ballad of Seth Davy / Whiskey on a Sunday
From: GUEST,Sol
Date: 08 Sep 17 - 12:36 PM

Here's Seth Davy in action.
Seth Davy

As far as I know Glyn Hughes was a Liverpool journalist.
FWIW, Scotty Road = Scotland Road (where Cilla Black came from).


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Subject: RE: Origin: Ballad of Seth Davy / Whiskey on a Sunday
From: GUEST,Sol
Date: 08 Sep 17 - 12:40 PM

Guest "bradfordian" beat me to it, with a better link as well.


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Subject: RE: Origin: Ballad of Seth Davy / Whiskey on a Sunday
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 08 Sep 17 - 12:44 PM

From: GUEST,bradfordian - PM
Date: 08 Sep 17 - 12:33 PM

Seth Davy Picture --Click


Thanks Ian,
And just to add some confirmation, in the background of the picture, clearly shown (with name sign) the Bevington House Hotel


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Subject: RE: Origin: Ballad of Seth Davy / Whiskey on a Sunday
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 08 Sep 17 - 03:16 PM

I recall singing Seth Davy" at Cyril Tawney's Plymouth club in 1967, and being surprised that nobody knew the song.


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Subject: RE: Origin: Ballad of Seth Davy / Whiskey on a Sunday
From: Brakn
Date: 09 Sep 17 - 05:20 AM

Looked in the 1901/1891 census for Liverpool for any Seth Davey/Davys, for any Seths and for any Davy/Daveys. Didn't find anything. Perhaps that was not his name.


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Subject: RE: Origin: Ballad of Seth Davy / Whiskey on a Sunday
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 09 Sep 17 - 08:01 AM

looking through all three threads the versions seem to be contributor's recollections. Is there a version which is authenticated as Glyn Hughes' original song.


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Subject: RE: Origin: Ballad of Seth Davy / Whiskey on a Sunday
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Sep 17 - 08:05 AM

Many Thanks to Freddy Headey. The trail
goes cold; it's known that he existed but
seems to have left no trail other than the
fine song. Another thread implied that his
Glyn Hughes name was a pseudonym. People are
also confusing the issue with talk of another
Glyn Hughes who was a Yorkshire Author & Poet
but he had a much longer innings. Tantalising
mystery to me that someone with all that talent
passed away at such a young age. Anyone got any
further clues about Glyn Hughes?


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Subject: RE: Origin: Ballad of Seth Davy / Whiskey on a Sunday
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 09 Sep 17 - 08:07 AM

Brakn, possibly it is a reflection of the reliability of census data collection at that time.


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Subject: RE: Origin: Ballad of Seth Davy / Whiskey on a Sunday
From: Brakn
Date: 09 Sep 17 - 08:25 AM

You're probably right.


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Subject: RE: Origin: Ballad of Seth Davy / Whiskey on a Sunday
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Sep 17 - 08:11 AM

From Stan Kelly via Liverpool Writers;
none of the links seem to work. Has says,
"Glyn Hughes wrote Seth Davey. I was dere
at de time, like. He died very young".???


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Subject: RE: Origin: Ballad of Seth Davy / Whiskey on a Sunday
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 10 Sep 17 - 08:28 PM

Just wondered which spirit he was drinking? (Whiskey: Irish or American, or Whisky: Scotch!?)


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Subject: RE: Origin: Ballad of Seth Davy / Whiskey on a Sunday
From: GUEST,Dottyliz
Date: 24 Oct 17 - 11:46 AM

Have just read the history of Seth Davy. As a family in Liverpool my cousin Albert Kennedy sang this song and we all joined in.    I have a Dancing Dinah, still in its original box, slightly battered.   The box says The Rage of 1934, the year I was born !
She and I perform every New Year and our friends love it !


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