Northern Ireland - anthem?

Subject: RE: Northern Ireland - anthem?
From: ard mhacha
Date: 24 Mar 02 - 06:29 AM

It`s ok Tim, I understand watching the oul back again, and Annraoi I couldn`t agree more, it`s bad enough listening to any anthem before any form of sport. No bloody anthems, just get on with the game. Ard Mhacha.

Subject: RE: Northern Ireland - anthem?
From: Tam the bam fraeSaltcoatsScotland
Date: 24 Mar 02 - 06:09 AM

Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are COUNTRIES and not regions as some people think they are. and are separtate Countries from England.

That's why we have nationl anthems for our countries and even though we're still a part of the UK, that's why Scotland has a parliment, and Northern Ireland and Wales have assemblies.

Subject: RE: Northern Ireland - anthem?
From: GUEST,Annraoi
Date: 24 Mar 02 - 06:01 AM

At international rugby matches in Dublin, "Amhrán na bhFiann" is played followed by a Phil Coulter confection called "Ireland's Call". Phil should stick to pop music
Annraoi

Subject: RE: Northern Ireland - anthem?
From: GUEST,CraigS
Date: 23 Mar 02 - 11:52 PM

Officially, the anthem is the British one - which is the same in Liechtenstein, but with different words for some reason or other. When there's an "international" competition, the dreaded Danny Boy is dragged out because the tune doesn't offend anyone, although the loyalists refuse to acknowledge the existence of Londonderry, which they insist is called Derry. Me, I'd suggest the tune of McAlpine's Fusiliers, whatever that is called.

Subject: Lyr Add: PEACE IN ERIN (Hugh McWilliams)
From: The Pooka
Date: 23 Mar 02 - 06:28 PM

Good one there, Suffet. :)

Ard & Big, Uh oh, here we go. (Well, I suppose I was askin' fer it. Sorry.) Look, it's both. Wot's inna Name? It's all of the Six Counties of the Statelet of the Province of Northern Ireland of the United Kingdom, and it's Northeast Ulster and two-thirds of the Fourth Green Field and how's about a cheering rousing chorus of the Boyne Water & Three-Quarters Of A Nation Once Again. Me, I like the dialectical designation I learned here on the 'Cat: Norn Iron.

It needn't be a *national* anthem. Just an anthem.

Well, in the spirit if not the letter of the idea, here's one of many fine offerings from the thread "Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge" - Click here -- this posted by John Moulden in March 2000. (For a heartfelt modern original composition, see Big John's therein, March 11 2002.) For a song to merit Anthem consideration, "Erin" would probably have to go--the Name problem y'know, compounded by an actual *language* issue--but maybe people could agree on, like -- "Ireland"? But it's the Thought that counts. I hope.


PEACE IN ERIN
by Hugh McWilliams
born County Antrim, 1783

Were all mankind disposed like me,
To live in love and unity,
No more contention there would be,
Upon the plains of Erin.
Originally we are sprung,
From Father Adam, old and young,
These words should flow from every tongue,
We'll cherish peace in Erin

We're formed by one Deity,
To worship him, let's all agree,
And live in love and harmony
With every class in Erin.
On Sunday, if our roads do lie,
To Clough, or to the Glens hard by,
It should not weaken friendship's tie,
Amongst the sons of Erin!

What shore can boast so pure an air?
Or sons more brave or girls more fair,
Or who were e'er esteemed in war,
Before the boys of Erin ?
Their courage far abroad is known,
In the field of mars their glory shone;
Then let us cultivate at home,
The laws of peace in Erin !

Would freedom fair and commerce smile,
Upon my dear, my native isle,
Not Egypt with her flowing Nile,
Could equal thee sweet Erin;
Fine silver lakes and pearly springs,
And verdant groves where music rings,
And health, with healing in her wings,
Do bless the land of Erin.

'Tis principle that shows the man,
This is the best, the only plan,
And one that I have built upon,
As passing through old Erin.
Then let us at the present day,
Drive prejudice and spleen away,
Far, far beyond the Atlantic sea,
And all shake hands in Erin!

Subject: RE: Northern Ireland - anthem?
From: Suffet
Date: 23 Mar 02 - 06:15 PM

Here's my contribution.

To the tune of The Old Orange Flute:

Oh, are we six counties or are we one land?
Do we belong to the U.K. or old Ireland?
If you know the answer, oh do share it, please,
But for the meanwhile, can't we all live in peace?

We've had enough bloodshed, we've had enough war,
And it's getting to be a bloody big bore,
So if you're hot for killing, please do yourself in,
And I doubt that we'll miss you while we sit and grin!

New words © Stephen L. Suffet 2002

Subject: RE: Northern Ireland - anthem?
From: Big Tim
Date: 23 Mar 02 - 04:27 PM

Get real Ard: it's not the "six counties", it's NI.

Subject: RE: Northern Ireland - anthem?
From: ard mhacha
Date: 23 Mar 02 - 02:37 PM

Do me a favour, how can six sick counties have a national anthem. Ard Mhacha.

Subject: RE: Northern Ireland - anthem?
From: GUEST,clueless
Date: 23 Mar 02 - 02:28 PM

Thanks very much for the links and info!

Cheers

Subject: RE: Northern Ireland - anthem?
From: masato sakurai
Date: 23 Mar 02 - 01:42 PM

Thanks for the link.

~Masato

Subject: RE: Northern Ireland - anthem?
From: The Pooka
Date: 23 Mar 02 - 01:15 PM

Well here below is an interesting article, from August 2000 I think, bemoaning the lack of an official N.I. anthem and advocating, among other things, the creation & adoption of one by the Northen Ireland Assembly. / Saaay, is there a Mudcat Challenge in here somewhere? We've been re-writing or replacing some *old* anthems on another thread...I'll put 'Catters' songwriting talent (and Harmonizing skill, on both musical & political levels) up against Assemblymen Gerry Adams's & Ian Paisley's any day...

Click here

Subject: RE: Northern Ireland - anthem?
From: Manitas_at_home
Date: 23 Mar 02 - 12:44 PM

At 'home' international football and rugby matches they play 'The (London)Derry Air'.

Subject: RE: Northern Ireland - anthem?
From: Fibula Mattock
Date: 23 Mar 02 - 12:43 PM

It's a pity they're both shite. I vote for "mahnah mahnah" by The Muppets.

At my graduation (Queen's Uni in Belfast) the playing of the British National Anthem was dropped in favour of the European one (Ode to Joy), if I remember rightly. (We did, however, have an RUC band at the garden party afterwards playing "The Green Grassy Slopes of the Boyne", but there wasn't much fuss made about that - maybe no one recognised it.)

Subject: RE: Northern Ireland - anthem?
From: masato sakurai
Date: 23 Mar 02 - 12:37 PM

I'm wondering, too. These sites (THIS & THIS) say the national anthem of Northern Ireland is "A Londonderry Air" ("Danny Boy"). According to this site (Click here), it is "God Save the Queen".

~Masato

Subject: RE: Northern Ireland - anthem?
From: The Pooka
Date: 23 Mar 02 - 12:33 PM

For a Mudcat thread on Ulster Scots music, Click here

Subject: RE: Northern Ireland - anthem?
From: GUEST,clueless again
Date: 23 Mar 02 - 12:22 PM

Yeah but even though Wales and Scotland also share the UK anthem they still have their own "regional" anthems. So I thought Northern Ireland might have one as well. Somewhere I read it was "Londonderry Air" - could that be true?

Cheers

Subject: RE: Northern Ireland - anthem?
From: The Pooka
Date: 23 Mar 02 - 12:07 PM

I thought it was "The Old Orange Flute". :) (Jussssst kidding fellers....)

Subject: RE: Northern Ireland - anthem?
From: Big Tim
Date: 23 Mar 02 - 12:04 PM

No. It shares "God Save the Queen" with the rest of the UK.

Subject: RE: Northern Ireland - anthem?
From: John Routledge
Date: 23 Mar 02 - 10:24 AM

Didn't realise that you were "clueless" Gargoyle.

Subject: RE: Northern Ireland - anthem?
From: Tam the bam fraeSaltcoatsScotland
Date: 23 Mar 02 - 10:15 AM

Gargoyle,

That's the Republic of Ireland's anthem, Northern Ireland is a part of the UK.

Subject: RE: Northern Ireland - anthem?
From: Snuffy
Date: 23 Mar 02 - 10:07 AM

So, Garg, is Canada's anthem "The Star Spangled Banner"?

Subject: RE: Northern Ireland - anthem?
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 23 Mar 02 - 07:50 AM

Amhán Na bhFiann/Soldier's Song

Sinne Fianna Fáil,
Atá Fá gheall ag Éirinn,
Buidhean dár sluagh tar rúinn do ráinig chughainn:
Fámhoídh bheírh saor,
Sean-tír ár sinnsear feasta
Ní fágfar fá'n tíorán ná fa'n tráil;
Anocht a theigeamh sa bhearna baoghail,
Le gean ar Gaedhí chun báis nó saoghail,
Le gunna sgréach: Fá lamhach na piléar.
Seo Libh canaidh amhrán na bhFiann.

Subject: Northern Ireland - anthem?
From: GUEST,clueless
Date: 23 Mar 02 - 07:36 AM

I was just wondering - does Northern Ireland has its own national anthem?