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Boo Hooo! Scratch on my new Lowden 010

GUEST,Allan Dennehy 02 Jul 02 - 05:06 AM
GUEST 02 Jul 02 - 05:08 AM
fogie 02 Jul 02 - 05:11 AM
Allan Dennehy 02 Jul 02 - 05:16 AM
Hrothgar 02 Jul 02 - 05:18 AM
Declan 02 Jul 02 - 05:21 AM
Allan Dennehy 02 Jul 02 - 05:22 AM
Allan Dennehy 02 Jul 02 - 05:27 AM
Allan Dennehy 02 Jul 02 - 05:33 AM
KingBrilliant 02 Jul 02 - 05:52 AM
GUEST,Greycap 02 Jul 02 - 06:14 AM
GUEST,Strollin' Johnny 02 Jul 02 - 08:32 AM
Midchuck 02 Jul 02 - 08:50 AM
UB Ed 02 Jul 02 - 09:16 AM
Allan Dennehy 03 Jul 02 - 05:37 AM
Grab 03 Jul 02 - 09:53 AM
Wincing Devil 03 Jul 02 - 12:16 PM
GUEST,Les B. 03 Jul 02 - 04:09 PM
kendall 03 Jul 02 - 05:14 PM
dwditty 03 Jul 02 - 05:42 PM
Midchuck 04 Jul 02 - 03:25 PM
Clinton Hammond 04 Jul 02 - 03:39 PM
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Willie-O 06 Jul 02 - 11:35 AM
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Murray MacLeod 07 Jul 02 - 03:22 PM
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Sandy Mc Lean 19 Mar 12 - 03:59 PM
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Subject: Boo Hooo! Scratch on my new Lowden 010
From: GUEST,Allan Dennehy
Date: 02 Jul 02 - 05:06 AM

The curse of the seven blind bastards on the hoor who put a 2inch scratch on my two month old baby. Ah well, he's rotting in hell now. Anyway its very visible but not very deep, I can barely feel it with my fingernail. Any smart tricks for damage control without a major overhaul? The first person who suggests putting a sticker over it is dead too. Ha ah!


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Subject: RE: Boo Hooo! Scratch on my new Lowden 010
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Jul 02 - 05:08 AM

You sound like a very pleasant man, Allan


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Subject: RE: Boo Hooo! Scratch on my new Lowden 010
From: fogie
Date: 02 Jul 02 - 05:11 AM

Try melting french polish onto it and leaving the blowlamp on for about 15 mins, What about insuring such a work of art? Eko player.


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Subject: RE: Boo Hooo! Scratch on my new Lowden 010
From: Allan Dennehy
Date: 02 Jul 02 - 05:16 AM

Good idea about the insurance fogie. Thanks. Dont understand about the blowtorch though. I am a very pleasant person Guest, I haven't killed anybody for a week now!


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Subject: RE: Boo Hooo! Scratch on my new Lowden 010
From: Hrothgar
Date: 02 Jul 02 - 05:18 AM

Gives it character.


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Subject: RE: Boo Hooo! Scratch on my new Lowden 010
From: Declan
Date: 02 Jul 02 - 05:21 AM

Scratches are an inevitable part of the life of a working guitar Allan. You should see mine! They give the guitar its character.


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Subject: RE: Boo Hooo! Scratch on my new Lowden 010
From: Allan Dennehy
Date: 02 Jul 02 - 05:22 AM

Theres enough beer and sweat on it already to give it multiple characters.


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Subject: RE: Boo Hooo! Scratch on my new Lowden 010
From: Allan Dennehy
Date: 02 Jul 02 - 05:27 AM

Youre right Declan. Scratches are inevitable. Its just the first couple that hurt. In a years time I might not be able to find the first scratch among all the others. A friend of mine had a Lowden with a gig hole where his scratch plate should have been. He was some man for breaking strings too. Good player though.


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Subject: RE: Boo Hooo! Scratch on my new Lowden 010
From: Allan Dennehy
Date: 02 Jul 02 - 05:33 AM

In the last message, gig hole should have been big hole, of course!


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Subject: RE: Boo Hooo! Scratch on my new Lowden 010
From: KingBrilliant
Date: 02 Jul 02 - 05:52 AM

And there was me busily trying to figure out what a gig hole was!! - it sounded dead technical...

Try to learn to love the scratch.... :>)

KRis


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Subject: RE: Boo Hooo! Scratch on my new Lowden 010
From: GUEST,Greycap
Date: 02 Jul 02 - 06:14 AM

Hey,the guys are right - shit happens. You take a new car on the road surrounded by thousands of idiots ( some uninsured )and they cost lots more than guitars. Road/ life damage is inevitable.


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Subject: RE: Boo Hooo! Scratch on my new Lowden 010
From: GUEST,Strollin' Johnny
Date: 02 Jul 02 - 08:32 AM

How I empathise Allan! I had tuner with a suction pad that you use to stick it to the guitar. I stuck it to my O10 and it fell off. As it fell it put three dents in the top above the soundhole.

I traded my O10 for a brand-new O25 and stoopidly used that crap tuner on it in the first week. Yep, you guessed - more dents on my new O25! Worse was to come. I got a small mark on it below the soundhole which I thought I could reduce by rubbing it hard with a damp cloth. Took the polish right off, so now it has a bare patch about the size of your thumbnail. F*****g Hell! Still sounds fantastic though!

Seriously, if you're wittered by scratches, take it to a good (repeat GOOD) repair man - he'll know all the tricks. Failing that, if it's a bad mark, have a talk to the sales guy at Lowden about having it re-finished at the factory. DO NOT try to doctor it yourself like I did.

JB


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Subject: RE: Boo Hooo! Scratch on my new Lowden 010
From: Midchuck
Date: 02 Jul 02 - 08:50 AM

The scratch is significant only if:

a) You bought it with the intention of reselling to a collector, for a profit, rather than keeping it to play, or;

b) It is big enough to weaken the guitar structurally or damage its tone.

If neither of the above is the case, you should feel liberated, now that you can enjoy the instrument rather than worrying about keeping its virtue safe.

That's my take on it, FWIW.

Peter.


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Subject: RE: Boo Hooo! Scratch on my new Lowden 010
From: UB Ed
Date: 02 Jul 02 - 09:16 AM

Yeah, but its painful just the same. At St Patrick's I was almost sick as I picked my O23 back up after our other guitarist's Gibson fell on it. The scratch on the front is long and readily apparent. So now I got charactor (My D18 REALLY has charactor...)

I think the scratch is bigger because of the soft cedar top.

Ed


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Subject: RE: Boo Hooo! Scratch on my new Lowden 010
From: Allan Dennehy
Date: 03 Jul 02 - 05:37 AM

Mudchuck and UB Ed, you have my sympathy. Perhaps we should set a support group for us people with post traumatic scratch syndrome! Anyway, it looks like theres no easy and cheap fix so I might as well get on with collecting a few more scratches and then I'll be as relaxed as I am about my other guitars. Cheers all

Allan from Copenhagen


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Subject: RE: Boo Hooo! Scratch on my new Lowden 010
From: Grab
Date: 03 Jul 02 - 09:53 AM

A popular fix for furniture is to find a wax crayon of the right shade and fill the scratch with that. Whether it's any good for the wood is another matter.

Graham.


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Subject: RE: Boo Hooo! Scratch on my new Lowden 010
From: Wincing Devil
Date: 03 Jul 02 - 12:16 PM

Now you don't have to worry about the first scratch anymore!


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Subject: RE: Boo Hooo! Scratch on my new Lowden 010
From: GUEST,Les B.
Date: 03 Jul 02 - 04:09 PM

Ah just get a belt sander and have a whiz at it, should take it right out! Or, take a look at Willie Nelson's old beater for a guitar with character. I can't believe he plays the "hole" thing.


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Subject: RE: Boo Hooo! Scratch on my new Lowden 010
From: kendall
Date: 03 Jul 02 - 05:14 PM

A year ago, I shipped my Taylor from Florida to Maine by U.P.S. truck. Some ape dropped it, and did some slight damage, but, my local music store owner/luthier, says it wont effect the value. I don't care about value because I don't intend to sell it, and, I dont really mind the slight damage. What I DO mind is the creep who should be selling anvils, not handling instruments. I know three Collings owners, only one ,Midchuck, allows me to play his. The other two are really anal about letting anyone play their baby.


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Subject: RE: Boo Hooo! Scratch on my new Lowden 010
From: dwditty
Date: 03 Jul 02 - 05:42 PM

go to Frets.com


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Subject: RE: Boo Hooo! Scratch on my new Lowden 010
From: Midchuck
Date: 04 Jul 02 - 03:25 PM

I don't worry about babying my Collings much because I bought both of them pre-dinged. On the big one, the largest ding is from where its former owner (Mr. Jack Lawrence) was guiding his playing partner (an older gentleman who is blind) to the men's room between sets and ran it into a lavatory.

You think I'd swap it even for a new one? It is to laugh! Haw! Haw!

Peter.


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Subject: RE: Boo Hooo! Scratch on my new Lowden 010
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 04 Jul 02 - 03:39 PM

What did Ferron sing a few years ago?

"10 years have worn this guitar down
Its ivory whites are now mustard brown
Its face bears cracks from every town
Still it resonates with age
Who would I be without its ring
Who would I be if I didn't sing
For half a chance you spare nothing
A tethered bird to a tethered cage"

;-)


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Subject: RE: Boo Hooo! Scratch on my new Lowden 010
From: Les from Hull
Date: 04 Jul 02 - 04:11 PM

It's not really yours 'til you scratch it. If it doesn't alter the sound and you're not going to sell it, who cares?


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Subject: RE: Boo Hooo! Scratch on my new Lowden 010
From: GUEST,Ian Darby
Date: 04 Jul 02 - 10:35 PM

We were backing some 60's Rock 'n Roll Singers in Manchester. (The Jive Inn/Napoleon, Openshaw.)

I picked up my guitar, a Jap Squier Strat to do the second set, and found a big piece of glass sticking out of it. The remains of a pint pot lay on the stage.

I'd love to know what happened while we were taking a break, but I wouldn't dream of trying to repair the damage.

(I WOULD like to apologise to the music lover who inflicted it.)

Its all part of the business. Did you ever see Rory Gallagher's 'Strat?

I personally think this is all very character building for both Guitar & Player.

Fogie..

I've got a 33 year old Eko, it slipped out of my hand at the top of our stairs and bounced down every step 'til it hit the bottom with an awful sickening thud. (Still in tune though.)

The back came away, I stuck it with wood glue and left a washing machine on it overnight. Good as new.

I also 'electrified' it by attaching a pickup to it with two drawing pins. Those were the days.

Mind you, if I'd forked out as much as Allen....


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Subject: RE: Boo Hooo! Scratch on my new Lowden 010
From: Phil Cooper
Date: 04 Jul 02 - 10:42 PM

At a gig in Grand Rapids, years ago, my cittern (leaning against a stool) fell on top of my Fylde Orsino, making a nice sized ding. As we were on stage, nary a shit elipsed my lips, till the break. It didn't effect the trade in value when I sold it to buy a Santa Cruz.


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Subject: RE: Boo Hooo! Scratch on my new Lowden 010
From: GUEST,River
Date: 05 Jul 02 - 02:17 AM

Hey in 1989 I brought home my brand new Martin D18V, $1200.00, signed by both the Martins, incredible tone, took it out of its case, sat down to play it, and the chair collapsed. BIG scratch. On back fortunately. Still there. Still looks great from the front. Life goes on.


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Subject: RE: Boo Hooo! Scratch on my new Lowden 010
From: SlickerBill
Date: 06 Jul 02 - 01:21 AM

I remember smacking my brand new Laravee L05 with a belt buckle; heard the "thwack" and knew right there I'd done it. But yeah, the deed is done, it's a matter of "when" not "if".

Brand new Toyota Corrola, 1982. First road trip. TENNIS BALL hail in southern Saskatchewan. Waddayagonnado?

Hey it could be worse guitar wise. A friend of mine set his new Larivee down to get out his car keys. Got em. Got in. Reverse..."CRUNCH". Yup, right over his guitar. That's not booo hooo, that's "Holy S***!" sb


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Subject: RE: Boo Hooo! Scratch on my new Lowden 010
From: Willie-O
Date: 06 Jul 02 - 11:35 AM

Never owned an unmarred acoustic guitar but new dings still hurt on a sliding scale according to how stupid and preventable the incident was. Stupidest one on my cherished Martin 0-18 is the chew marks on the bout where the middle hinge on a not-so-new case had detached from the lid, and when not paying attention I would close the case so the loose end of the hinge was sticking inside the case. Ouch.

I think gig hole is a good term. AKA a "Willie Junior". If it was bigger than the hole in W Nelson's Martin classical, it would certainly be structurally problematic.

That's an excellent ding story Midchuck.

Well I just restrung the 0-18 so I'm gonna go play it some more. GHS Silk & Bronze, nice.

W-O


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Subject: RE: Boo Hooo! Scratch on my new Lowden 010
From: Amos
Date: 06 Jul 02 - 01:47 PM

My '39 parlor Martin has a wondeful array of crazed scritches on it from many years ago when a four-ear old girl decided to demonstrate her affinity for music by carrying the guitar around. At that age there is only one way to carry things -- you grab one corner and drag it. The fact that it was on a concrete patio kinda escaped her young notice. For a short while I saw red and had to bite my tongue quite hard. Now, however, when I look at that scramble of scratches, it brings back fond memories of her early years.

The guitar still sounds wonderful. And just to get even, I have given it to the now-grown daughter who has learned to play it with flair, scratches and all! **bg**.

A


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Subject: RE: Boo Hooo! Scratch on my new Lowden 010
From: X
Date: 07 Jul 02 - 02:11 PM

A local music store in El Cajon CA. stopped selling Martin Guitars back in the 1950s. They had several left in inventory so they put them in storage in the back room and there they sat and some still do!

In 1982 Chuck need a guitar to pick some Bluegrass so he needed a D-model guitar. Chuck was in tight with the son of the shops owner so he was able to buy a D-41 at the 1950 price. He brought the D-41 to the rehearsal where I knocked the music stand into it. I put a scratch in it about one inch long, half of the scratch on the tortouis pickgard and the other half just below it. I felt like a poop!

Anyway...today you can't even see the scratch. It has long since been covered up by pick-scratch and what-not. Your scratch is just the first in a long line of scratches, don't give it a seconded thought.

By the way...Chuck forgave me, thanks Charlie.


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Subject: RE: Boo Hooo! Scratch on my new Lowden 010
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 07 Jul 02 - 03:22 PM

Midchuck forbears to mention that the older blind gentleman who dinged his guitar was in fact Doc Watson (well, some people might not have realized ...)

Murray


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Subject: RE: Boo Hooo! Scratch on my new Lowden 010
From: Allan Dennehy
Date: 07 Jul 02 - 04:43 PM

Theres nothing like hearing war stories from others to get a little perspective on things. Yes, I have learned to love the scratch and it probably wont be long before there's a few more on it with the shower of drunken musicians I hang out with. By the way, the Lowden comes with D'Addario EXP(?) strings that cost about 20 dollars a set. Whilst I normally despise cheaper D'Addario strings, I must admit that these will blow Martin SPs away. Thanks to everybody for the comments. Allan from Copenhagen.


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Subject: RE: Boo Hooo! Scratch on my new Lowden 010
From: GUEST,kendall
Date: 17 Mar 12 - 07:32 PM

It's like picking olives out of a bottle. The first one is always the hardest.


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Subject: RE: Boo Hooo! Scratch on my new Lowden 010
From: banjoman
Date: 18 Mar 12 - 07:59 AM

Picked up my Lakewood yesterday to find a crack in the side of it caused by a guitar stand falling? over against it. Makes me feel sick as this is probably one of the first that lakewood made. It has not affected the sound or the structural integrity but its sickening to see such a fine instrument damaged. Question is - do I get it repaired or try and effect a repair myself, and of course how much will it cost.
The only saving grace is that it wasn't the new Taylor which was parked next to it. All my guitars and banjos will be kept in their cases from now on


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Subject: RE: Boo Hooo! Scratch on my new Lowden 010
From: scouse
Date: 19 Mar 12 - 07:09 AM

"A friend of mine had a Lowden with a Big hole where his scratch plate should have been."
   If it wasn't for the Scratch Plate mine would start looking like Willies.. "Blood Sweat and Tears!" have been poured into that lovely old S5 lady over the twenty odd years I've had her. What's one scratch.It sure ain't gonna be the last.Now it's yours!!!!

As Aye,

Phil.


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Subject: RE: Boo Hooo! Scratch on my new Lowden 010
From: stevi
Date: 19 Mar 12 - 01:54 PM

Similar thing happened to my Lowden soon after buying it. It was sitting in its hard case next to me when this loudmouth person in the session decided to throw a biro pen across the room and it bounced of the main body !My heart sank and I didn't even get an apology. It has since acquired a multitude of dents and scratches and has never sounded soooo good!
I feel your pain though.

Steve


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Subject: RE: Boo Hooo! Scratch on my new Lowden 010
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 19 Mar 12 - 03:59 PM

I once knew of a man who bought a new truck intended to be used as a work vehicle him being a fisherman. After the purchase but before leaving the dealer's lot he planted a #10 kick onto the door. His next words were "now I don't have to worry about scratching her!"


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Subject: RE: Boo Hooo! Scratch on my new Lowden 010
From: Fossil
Date: 20 Mar 12 - 12:19 AM

There's a small ding on the back of my Cole Clark Fat Lady and the beautiful matte finish on the front is getting quite shiny where my right arm and sleeve rest when I'm picking or strumming.

The ding was caused when I lost control of the neck while putting it into the case and dropped it from about six inches onto the case latch.

I'm very relieved to find others so relaxed about damaging their precious axes. Like them, I was mortified at the time, but now find that a) it doesn't affect the sound (which would *really* piss me off!) and b) adds a bit of character and identifiabilty to the guitar. Not that it really needs any - the bunya pine face is totally unique anyway, but I took photos just in case.

And the sound just keeps getting better. Oh well, guess I'll keep her!


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Subject: RE: Boo Hooo! Scratch on my new Lowden 010
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 20 Mar 12 - 11:28 AM

Banjoman, better do something before that crack in the side reaches a glued joint.

When my guitar suffered cracks in the top (caused by the clasp on a falling lid), I called my brother the expert. He asked one thing: "Does the crack cross a glued joint?" The answer, happily, was no. He told me to drill round holes at the ends of the cracks to stop them from propagating. Filling them was optional.

The DH and I did that, with an electric drill and the smallest drill bit there is - a sewing machine needle. I backfilled the cracks and holes with goop from the hardware store, and my guitar has been fine ever since.


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Subject: RE: Boo Hooo! Scratch on my new Lowden 010
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 20 Mar 12 - 11:31 AM

For those who don't work with wood much, I should explain that a crack in a piece of wood will keep opening up (propagate) along grain lines. The round hole you drill needs to be as wide as the crack.


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Subject: RE: Boo Hooo! Scratch on my new Lowden 010
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 20 Mar 12 - 12:42 PM

Scuse ny ignorance, I've never done this to a dinged guitar - but didn't French polishers used to be able to render scratches invisible on table tops - why won't it work on guitars?


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