Your Favourite Hymn

Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn
From: GUEST,Girochaser
Date: 02 Aug 09 - 08:52 AM

What me, ach you just say that Tom, hehe
Dylan

Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn
From: topical tom
Date: 02 Aug 09 - 08:48 AM

How Great Thou Art.

Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn
From: GUEST,Girochaser
Date: 02 Aug 09 - 08:22 AM

I forgot that I posted this ages ago, well like 6 years and I was like dearie me how many people got into it, cool.
I still love the song and yes I'm still bored at work, how mad is that? hehe.
Well the wedding never happened but thats great as my life took a turn for the better, much better. Still not into religion but hey as long as we can smile and be happy then everyone is a winner.
Thanks
Dylan AKA Boab D AKA Girochaser

Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn
From: Haruo
Date: 13 Jun 04 - 12:21 AM

Only two songs, wanderhope?

How about adding "Drop-Kick Me, Jesus, Thru the Goalposts of Life"?

Haruo

Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn
From: wanderhope
Date: 09 Jun 04 - 09:51 AM

I hope to have sung at my funeral:
"It Is Well With My Soul"
"They Ain't Makin' Jews Like Jesus Anymore"

Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn
From: Mary in Kentucky
Date: 08 Jun 04 - 09:50 AM

Connie, be sure to check out Joe's link to "the real prayer of St. Francis." I steered you wrong with "Let there be peace on earth." I just wasn't thinking clearly!

Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn
From: Joe Offer
Date: 08 Jun 04 - 02:16 AM

There are a few versions of a couple of prayers of St. Francis in this thread (click).
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn
From: Mary in Kentucky
Date: 07 Jun 04 - 10:35 PM

Hi Connie. I usually check out http://www.cyberhymnal.org first, but "Here I am Lord" is under copyright, therefore not posted there. I found it here, but it might not be there long.

The prayer of St. Francis can be found on the Internet also. Try searching with Google and put "let there be peace on earth" in the search box.

Subject: Looking fro lyrics to 2 hymns
From:
Date: 07 Jun 04 - 04:47 PM

Hello,My name is Connie and I used to sing in the choir at our parrish,and my favorite hymns,or I should say some of my favorites,were The Peace Prayer of Saint Francis and Here I Am ,Lord.I was wondering if someone knew the verses of these two hymns.If you could help me out I'd greatly appreciate it.
                                  Thank You,
                                 Connie

Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn
From: GUEST,Haruo
Date: 07 May 04 - 08:43 PM

The phrasing is very much of the period, but the accidentals (spelling, punctuation and capitalization in particular) strike me as twentieth-century.

Haruo

Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn
From: Burke
Date: 07 May 04 - 11:39 AM

Cyberhymnal suggests "Martyrdom" by Hugh Wilson or "Windsor" by Christopher Tye. Both are good standard CM tunes that would work well. I think Martyrdom aka Avon or Sacred Throne sounds really good with the text. "Martyrdom" is frequently associate with "Alas and did my Savior bleed." Behold... had similar sentiments, but I think using the verses with "At the Cross" would be stretching things a bit.

I'm not sure what you mean about the modernness of the text. Except for one or 2 spellings, it seems to me very much of the period. Sunder, rend, death's envious chain, all seem very much of the period to me. CCEL has it from the 1889 printing of J. Wesley's Collection of Hymns, for the Use of the People Called Methodists.

Subject: Lyr Add: Behold the Savior of Mankind
From: Haruo
Date: 06 May 04 - 09:44 PM

You're right, Burke, though somewhere I believe I have seen one single solitary tune attributed to Chuck. But regardless of the tunes to which they're sung, it's his texts sung, not merely read or even declaimed, that have had the impact.

And while I have great respect for the Wesleys' proto-social-gospel activities, John's influence in that regard was for the most part limited to the England (and colonies) of the time. Charles's hymns, on the other hand, remain a major force today, and have not only gone around the world but across denominational lines as well. So I stand by my assessment, DaveA.

Incidentally, it appears likely that Charles Wesley inherited his hymnopoetic gift from his father, Samuel Wesley. Witness this (from the 1989 The United Methodist Hymnal):

---

Behold the Savior of Mankind
Samuel Wesley (1662-1735)

Behold the Savior of mankind
nailed to the shameful tree;
how vast the love that him inclined
to bleed and die for thee!

Hark how he groans! while nature shakes,
and earth's strong pillars bend!
The temple's veil in sunder breaks,
the solid marbles rend.

'Tis done! the precious ransom's paid!
"Receive my soul!" he cries;
see where he bows his sacred head!
He bows his head and dies!

But soon he'll break death's envious chain
and in full glory shine.
O Lamb of God, was ever pain,
was ever love like thine?

---

No tune is suggested in the hymnal; I wonder what mudcat hymnnuts would propose. The hymnal says in a footnote: 'Written by Samuel Wesley (1662-1735), this is one of the few relics of his papers found after the fire which destroyed the Epworth rectory during the night of February 9, 1709, when his son, young John Wesley, was rescued as a "brand plucked out of the burning." It was first printed in John Wesley's hymnbook A Collection of Psalms and Hymns (Charleston, 1737), under the tile "On the Crucifixion."'

I presume the incipit then read "Saviour" and that "Savior" is a later American emendation. How much of the rest has been modernized or otherwise toyed with I can't guess; maybe none, but 1709 strikes me as a bit early for such a text to look so modern.

Haruo

Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn
From: Burke
Date: 06 May 04 - 10:18 AM

Haruo, I think it was Charles Wesley's >6000 hymn texts, not his music that had the big impact :-) I'm not sure he wrote any music at all. His son, Samuel Wesley, did.

Both John & Charles thought the hymns were important to help people take the sermon home.

B.

Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn
From: GUEST,DaveA
Date: 06 May 04 - 04:27 AM

I like that one Mary.

Now, if only both denominations would learn to thnk....

Haruo, your contention re Charles versus John Wesley is interesting.
As I remember my British History course at University, a very pagan lecturer gave John high marks for his outreach to the poor & displaced as the Industrial Revolution swept thru "Englands green & pleasant land" (as another of my favourites so beautifully put it).

Religious historians may well agree with your point (and certainly musicologists will). But mainstream historians I suspect have John on a higher plane.

Good thread this - and nice to see Catters prepared to sing (albeit with altered words) some of the old classics. To paraphrase old Mr Booth (the founder of the Salvation Army) "Why should God have all the good tunes"!!!!

Dave

Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn
From: Pogo
Date: 05 May 04 - 10:08 PM

" Beautiful Savior (The Crusader's Hymn) "...hm..." Lord of the Dance " ( I prefer the old hymn...not Micheal Flatley's interpretation of it no offense to the Flatley fans ;O) "O Come O Come Emmanuel " Beethoven's Ode to Joy (Joyful Joyful We Adore Thee) which is in an old Baptist hymnal I have. " In The Garden "...gosh there's a lot of them that I like. And I adore Angel Band and Down to the River to Pray on the O Brother Where Art Thou? CD

Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn
From: Mark Ross
Date: 05 May 04 - 09:59 PM

HOW CAN I KEEP FROM SINGING and the lady of the house loves it too!

Mark Ross

Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn
From: LindsayInWales
Date: 05 May 04 - 09:51 PM

I love all the hymns in the English Hymnal, which I have known for 50+ years, and then I discovered that it was compiled by Ralph Vaughan Williams - no wonder so many of the tunes seemed "familiar..........

Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn
From: Mary in Kentucky
Date: 05 May 04 - 09:40 PM

;-)

Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn
From: Mary in Kentucky
Date: 05 May 04 - 09:37 PM

OK, Haruo, you asked for it!

Methodists are just Baptists who can read!

(from the movie, A River Runs Through It.)

Subject: BS: Re: Methodists and Dancing
From: Haruo
Date: 05 May 04 - 09:23 PM

DaveA wrote:

But, as a final comment on the faith I was raised in:
Do you know why Methodists disapprove of sex before marriage They fear it might lead to dancing!!!

We Baptists usually cite the same fear in justification of our opposition to having sex standing up. I think our fear makes more sense. But then, I'm a Baptist...

I would have to say I think Charles Wesley's music was far more influential (at least in the long run) than John's preaching; whether the same will be true of Shea vs. Graham is doubtful. BTW is George still alive; he was last I checked, but he must be pushing 100. Billy is not only still alive, but still Crusading last I heard. (Though his son Franklin is CEO of the empire now.)

Haruo

Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn
From: Tracey Dragonsfriend
Date: 05 May 04 - 01:58 PM

Hmmm... it's a toss-up between Jerusalem and Amazing Grace. I'm a traditionalist, I know!

Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn
From: JennyO
Date: 05 May 04 - 09:33 AM

Try this version of Cwm Rhondda - an Aussie political parody by John Dengate about our pollies and their disgraceful treatment of refugees in this country. I was actually asked to sing this at a church service at Snalbans folk festival about a week ago. It went down rather well:

THE REFUGEES' REVENGE             John Dengate

Tune: Bread of Heaven / Cwm Rhondda

Mr Howard, you'll have no passport
When you walk through death's dark vale.
Lost and frightened, you will travel
Buffeted by storm and gale.

CHORUS   Mr Howard and Mr Ruddock,
                   When your bodies are deceased,
                   You'll be locked in hell and not released.

Mr Ruddock, power will not save you
When you cross the River Styx,
Nor your specious rhetoric and cunning
Nor your ruthless politics.

CHORUS

Speaking from the throne of heaven,
God will weigh your evil deed.
"Howard and Ruddock, I deny you status,
Never now, will you be freed."

CHORUS

You will weep in hell's detention centre
For your cruel and heartless crime.
Cries for mercy endlessly ignored:
Eternity's a long, long time.

CHORUS

Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn
From: beardedbruce
Date: 05 May 04 - 05:19 AM

Well, I don't go to church, but I do like to hymm along at getaways and such...

"Bright Morning Stars Are Rising" and one from the Unitarians- "Come Sing A Song With Me"

Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn
From: DaveA
Date: 05 May 04 - 05:12 AM

Missed this thread the first time round but the references to Cwm Rhondda sucked me in. It's a great tune but I fear ruined for me since I took my mother (well in her eighties) to hear Aled Jones when he was on tour in Melbourne in December. He was a gifted boy soprano but his voice did not break well. He did a version of Cwm Rhondda but basically let the choir backing him carry the music & his attempt at "Oh Holy Night" was pitiful - he didn't even try for the top note at the end.

However, to be positive, as a lapsed old school Methodist, Charles Wesley certainly put the emotion into his brothers crusading (might I say like George Beverley Shea used to with Billy Graham). And John W. Peterson (who I think wrote Softly & Tenderley which was one of the earliest entries) to me has written some of the better modern hymns & cantatas.

But, as a final comment on the faith I was raised in:
Do you know why Methodists disapprove of sex before marriage
They fear it might lead to dancing!!!

Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn
From: GUEST
Date: 04 May 04 - 09:56 PM

Hi Chuck,

Masato Sakurai supplied the text here.

Haruo

Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn
From: GUEST,Chuck
Date: 04 May 04 - 02:33 PM

Hey, could someone tell me where I could find the words to "The Evergreen Mountains of Life" ?

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Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn
From: Haruo
Date: 19 Apr 04 - 10:59 PM

"Stewards of Earth" appears to be by Omer Westendorf; whether he credited Caedmon I don't know. The second stanza's first line as given above doesn't scan. Good Earth Day hymn, I think.

Haruo

Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn
From: Stephen R.
Date: 16 Apr 04 - 01:06 AM

'Guide me, O thou great Jehovah' to Cwm Rhondda is marvellous; there is also an Appalachian tune, one of those fantastic older-than-shape-note things that I love. How can you decide on a favourite? There are so many great ones . . . .   The Galician (Ukrainian Galicia, not the Iberian one) Nativity hymn Dyvnaia novyna is a favorite for that season. Wachet auf for Advent. Or from the Iberian peninsula, Veinte cinco de diciembre. If thou but suffer God to guide thee. 'Hail the day so long expected.' The list goes on and on. . . .

Stephen R.

Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn
From: GUEST,M5
Date: 15 Apr 04 - 07:39 PM

I Heard a Hymn called 'Across the Bridge', sung in the Cottage at Miskin last weekend. Beautiful tune and harmonies, the hair on my arms is still standing on end. For this week anyway it is my favourite hymn.

Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn
From: GUEST,Blasphemer
Date: 15 Apr 04 - 12:23 PM

Mark Graham or Seattle wrote a wonderfully satirical gospel song called Zen Gospel Singing Its my personal favorite hymn.

Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn
From: JennyO
Date: 15 Apr 04 - 11:20 AM

There is also this song sung to the tune of Blessed Quietness, and using the same chorus, by Bill Sables:

Whitby Fisherman

Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn
From: masato sakurai
Date: 15 Apr 04 - 08:30 AM

BLESSÈD QUIETNESS is at the Cyber Hymnal.

Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn
From: GUEST,folkie
Date: 15 Apr 04 - 06:27 AM

I heard one sung in the Anchor Middle Bar one lunch time with fantastic harmonies almost sounded like I was in church and when I enquired what it was called someone said it was called "Blessed Quietness" (?) It was about being on the sea (I think)I know its a long shot but does anyone know what Im going on about because I really would like to acquire music and words to this. This event happened 2002 Sidmouth

In hope!

Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn
From: jack halyard
Date: 15 Apr 04 - 03:44 AM

Danny Spooner, Margaret Walters and I led a crowd in "Guide Me oh Thou Great Jehovah" (Cwm Rhondda) at the Aust. National Folk Festival, a few days ago. The immense power in the tune, the multiple layers of harmonic potential and the poetic majesty of the words make it a giant of a song- as well as its history of association with the welsh mining communities. This would have to classify as my favourite. My mum, sister, brother and I dragged the congregation along with it at my father's funeral, Not a miserable hymn at all!
                                       Jack Halyard

Subject: RE: Evergreen Mountains of Life
From: Haruo
Date: 15 Apr 04 - 12:59 AM

Re: The Evergreen Mountains of Life — I found a stanza; still hoping Neighmond or someone can supply a tune.

Haruo

Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn
From: Beccy
Date: 23 Jul 03 - 04:36 PM

Our small town just last week held a community hymn sing. It was so neat to see a lot of older folks come out in the beautiful weather. It was staged near a lovely creek in town in a gazebo. What a neat sense of community. We sang a bunch of old ones... but some ninny thought "If I Had A Hammer" was a hymn, for pete's sake. They insisted on singing it, and loudly to boot. Somehow I don't think I was the only one who didn't see how that fit in with "Abide With Me", "Be Thou My Vision", "The Old Rugged Cross", "Let All Mortal Flesh Keep Silence", etc...

Beccy

Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn
From: Joe_F
Date: 22 Jul 03 - 06:56 PM

Hrothgar: That one is new to me -- and not in the St Andrews songbook. It is good to see such things properly recorded. %^)

Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn
From: Deda
Date: 22 Jul 03 - 12:34 PM

One of my dad's college (and lifelong) drinking pals sang "Abide with me" as "Imbibe with me". Alas, I've forgotten the words -- which were very funny.

JCC -- Thanks. Having seen Jerusalem I can tell you that it is much the loveliest city I've ever seen, and I've seen quite a few. It really does shine -- many of the buildings are of white stones, and they reflect the sunlight.

Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn
From: Hrothgar
Date: 17 Jul 03 - 06:53 AM

Joe F:

To finish the verse:

Bread from Hovises
Tea from Liptonses
Beer we'll brew for ever more
Beer we'll brew for ever more

I think the beer line is right. haven't heard it for thirty years.

Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn
From: Burke
Date: 16 Jul 03 - 04:46 PM

UJ, I just remembered another place. You can find midi's from some of the old oblong books at The Other Old Way.

Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 16 Jul 03 - 03:37 AM

Mention of "My Jesus I love thee" above reminds me of a hymn which causes concern in hymn books where hymns are listed by first line:
"My God I Love Thee Not"

Which, because of line length, and phrasing, is the first full line of:

"My God I love Thee, not-
Because I hope for heaven thereby.
Nor yet because, who love Thee not
Are lost eternally"

The importance of phrasing is really brought out in this one,

Nigel

Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn
From: Uncle Jaque
Date: 16 Jul 03 - 12:20 AM

Thanks for all of the nifty links, Mates!

If there is anything in particular that u might b looking 4, which I might have in my collection, let me know & perhaps I can upload it to that FOTKI site for your perusal

I have a couple of indexes scanned in there just for anyone searching for an early - mid 19th Century Hymn.

I got most of these old endbounders at flea markets and Antique shops for around $1 - $5 apiece, but lately they seem to be going for around $20, and are rather "drying up".

Occasionally we find a reprint of one of them.

The most I have paid for a music book was a large black bound collection which was unmarked. I only recognized a couple of the songs, many of which are Patriotic, romantc, and secular - and they predate the Civil War. Since there seems to be no mention of the CW in the material, I figure that it dates to between 1845 and 1855.

Since it has songs from the period that I had never heard of (before or since) I shelled out $50 for it.

Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn
From: Burke
Date: 15 Jul 03 - 09:00 PM

Uncle Jacque,
There's a whole thread devoted to My Jesus, I Love Thee. Which reminds me that I was supposed to be tracking some additional words down.

Your 'Zion' is by Thomas Hastings. In the 19th cent. it was often used with "Guide me, O Thou Great Jehovah," before that really well know Welsh tune made everyone forget the other tunes they used with it.

Belmont is a really familiar tune. You should not have any trouble finding it in your books.

You can find Midi's of the tunes you've got from Southern Harmony (Delight & Disciple) in the Online version. Disciple should also be in some other hymnals. It sounds familiar to me as a hymn, not a shape not tune. Delight is also in Sacred Harp. I found one online recording: Go to the Real Audio at the top of This page. Delight starts just shy of 2:35 (2.5 hours in). The Sacred Harp portion of this program starts 30-40 minutes in.

After singing the music the way it is in this recording, the Boston Camerata recording is not as satifying as it used to be for me. If you like "Trav'ling Home" you'll also like their "American Vocalist."

Another place to hear the old hymns is at Pilgrim Productions

Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn
From: Kenny B (inactive)
Date: 15 Jul 03 - 07:24 PM

Uncle Jaque this site gives Dots and midis of hymns.
Dots & Midis of Hymns

Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn
From: Alio
Date: 15 Jul 03 - 12:51 PM

I like 'The day thou gavest, Lord has ended' - it always makes me cry!

Ali

Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn
From: Uncle Jaque
Date: 15 Jul 03 - 09:11 AM

I'm pretty sure that I've seen "Siloam" in my collection of Hymns and such going back to 1800.

See:   UJ Online Images - Misc.

for a few representative scannings.

The score to "Belmont" I'm quite sure to have in at least a couple of them.

There is some beautiful poetry in these old end-binders by BEECHER, WATTS, and other Patriarchs of the art during that period.

I wish I could sight-read music better than I do to get an idea of what many of these archaic tunes sounded like.

A few that I have worked out such as "Disciple" (which I think is scanned to that page I just linked to), "Zion", "Death Song of the Martyr" (That's different!), "Homeward Bound" (from an 1864 Seaman's Bethel Hymnal, although I think it predates that by several years) have lovely airs to them - sometimes a lot peppier than we might expect them to be from this time period.

One of my favorite albums for old Hymns is the Boston Camerata, Joel COHEN Dir., "Trav'ling Home". If you like really old American Hymns, you will love this CD - as I do.

Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn
From: Kenny B (inactive)
Date: 14 Jul 03 - 07:21 PM

By Cool Siloam's Shady Rill

Words: Reginald Heber, 1811; revised, 1827

Music: Belmont

Meter: CM

1. By cool Siloam's shady rill
how fair the lily grows!
How sweet the breath, beneath the hill,
of Sharon's dewy rose!

2. Lo! such the child whose early feet
the oaths of peace have trod,
whose secret heart, with influence sweet,
is upward drawn to God.

3. By cool Siloam's shady rill
the lily must decay;
the rose that blooms beneath the hill
must shortly fade away.

4. O thou, whose infant feet were found
within thy Father's shrine,
whose years with changeless virtue crowned,
were all alike divine.

5. Dependent on thy bounteous breath,
we seek thy grace alone,
in childhood, manhood, age, and death
to keep us still thine own.

Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn
From: Uncle Jaque
Date: 13 Jul 03 - 07:28 PM

Deda:

Funny you should mention that.

One of the songs that I composed during what I guess you could call my "Religious Phase" (circa 1980) came out sounding a whole more Jewish than Baptist - which is what I was (and to some extent, still am I suppose).

"Night in Jerusalem"

Chorus:

In my dreams, the golden spires
of your Temple meet the sun;
In your streets; the children dancing;
See them sing, and laugh, and run!
Your sweet flowers soothe my Spirit,
Tho it's not time to come home;
Let me spend one night, Dear Lord -
In Jerusalem!

1.        All day long, in streets of darkness -
Lord, I've tried to pass the test;
fallen far short of your Glory, Lord,
Though I've tried my level best.

There's lots more I need to do here, Lord;
Lots more I need to learn;
Though my weary heart for sanctuary,
Frequently does yearn!

***************************

You can find the rest of it here:

"Night in Jerusalem" - JCC

Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn
From: cetmst
Date: 13 Jul 03 - 04:59 PM

Nigel - always had trouble getting clauses in their proper place. My wife to be sang perfectly and continues in several choral groups despite being married nearly fifty-one years to someone who only occasionally stumbles on the right note by accident. - Chuck

Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn
From: Deda
Date: 13 Jul 03 - 01:33 PM

All things bright and Beautiful
Abide with me
Doxology

There are also some wonderful Jewish songs that I became very fond of during my 1st marriage into a Jewish family. Passover songs Dayaynu and ChadGadyo (I 'm guessing cluelessly about the spelling), Shabbat Shalom, & others.