Whiskey in the Jar - Irish? Appalachian?

Subject: RE: Whiskey in the Jar - Irish? Appalachian?
From: Banjo-Flower
Date: 04 Feb 04 - 05:29 PM

"Reel de Ti Jean" isn't that the English tune called"The Tipsy Parson"?

Gerry

Subject: RE: Whiskey in the Jar - Irish? Appalachian?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 04 Feb 04 - 03:13 PM

Aragon Mill, written by Si Kahn, is copyright Joe Hill Music.

Subject: RE: Whiskey in the Jar - Irish? Appalachian?
From: bill\sables
Date: 04 Feb 04 - 02:31 PM

One song that crossed from the USA was Aragon Mill recorded by the Fureys as Belfast Mill

Subject: RE: Whiskey in the Jar - Irish? Appalachian?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 04 Feb 04 - 02:08 PM

See thread 3116: Whiskey The best available answer is here; Malcolm Douglas post of 23 Dec 03, 08:42 PM with link to "The Sporting Hero," printed in Leeds and Manchester, England, 1850-1855 (Bodleian coll.).

This question has come up before; Thread 3116 has the most information on this song, which seems to have come out of the music hall.

I am posting "A Sporting Hero," although the words don't differ much from what already is available in 3116, in that thread.

Subject: RE: Whiskey in the Jar - Irish? Appalachian?
From: GUEST,Jeremiah McCaw
Date: 04 Feb 04 - 02:01 PM

Off the original subject, but in answer to Joe's query:

"Are there songs that went the other way across the Atlantic, beginning in the U.S. and then migrating to Europe?"

Assuming my info is correct (always problematic where origins of folk music is concerned), there a Quebecois fiddle tune called "Reel de Ti Jean" which crossed the pond to England becoming known as "Little John's Reel". It then crossed back over and settled in the US, familiar to fiddle players under the name "Liberty" or "The Liberty Twostep".

How's that for migration?

Subject: RE: Whiskey in the Jar - Irish? Appalachian?
From: Leadfingers
Date: 04 Feb 04 - 01:27 PM

There is an American Burlesque song about a Little Brown Jug written in the late eighteen hundreds that was 'Collected' as a traditional
song in England about ten years after it was published in America.
'My Pretty Little Brown Jug That I Love Dear' Which seems to have a lot in common lyricwise with Good Ale.

Subject: RE: Whiskey in the Jar - Irish? Appalachian?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 04 Feb 04 - 12:56 PM

"Have a stab at the search engine"

Except that the search engine is so convoluted and twisted in it's implementation, it's just easier to re-ask the same questions over and over and over...

Especially if one is NOT particularly net savvy...

Like MOST people @ Mudcat aren't....

Subject: RE: Whiskey in the Jar - Irish? Appalachian?
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 04 Feb 04 - 12:41 PM

Your questions have all been answered in some detail in earlier discussions archived here. Have a stab at the search engine ("Lyrics and Knowledge Searcg" at the top of this page).

Subject: RE: Whiskey in the Jar - Irish? Appalachian?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 04 Feb 04 - 12:40 PM

I've wondered the same - It seems that if we find a European version of a traditional American song, we assume the song must have originally come from Europe. Are there songs that went the other way across the Atlantic, beginning in the U.S. and then migrating to Europe?
-Joe Offer-

Subject: Whiskey in the Jar - Irish? Appalachian?
From: GUEST,Len Wallace
Date: 04 Feb 04 - 12:24 PM

Hello Mudcatliners,

Okay - - "Whiskey in the Jar" or "Kilgary Mountain". I heard a number stories about its origins. I know it's considered Irish, but it also may have Appalachian origins. Anyone know?

Also, The Black Velvet Band. First line is usually sung as "In a neat little town they call Belfast", but aren't there versions which could place it as English in origin?

thanks gang.

Len Wallace