BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore

Subject: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Filmore
From: catspaw49
Date: 04 May 04 - 04:00 PM

Awright Gang, let's have some fun! At another site I visit, the SPEED Boards, there are some fun folks around too. A couple of them are true Mudcat material if they just had any minor interest in folk or blues....not that it matters much around here anymore(:<))

My friend Scutwerker (gotta' love the handle huh?) likes Cletus and Paw and has a typically warped sense of humor. He has a few running gags over there that are funnier than hell. Bobertz, if you're reading this, you need to visit "Satan's Used Car Lot"....you and Scut would get along great! Anyway.........

That site allows you a "Signature" at the bottom where you can put sayings, pics, quotes, whatever. Scut has a picture of ol' Millard Filmore and daily he changes the captions which are generally something like, "If Millard Filmore, our 13th President, were alive today, he'd use the 50 cent coupons for Bush's Baked Beans."....or something equally stupid.

A toy company that makes presidential figurine things is taking a poll on what others to do so let's all help Scut get Millard immortalized. We haven't done anything this fuckin' stupid in a coon's age. Remember wwen we sent all those postcards for El Swanno? THIS is that dumb!! So go to THIS SITE and vote for Millard. You can actually cast three votes if you vote him once for first, once for second, and once for third. The other choices are up to you.

And here's Scut's thread at the SPEED boards... Dumbshit....Let's get on this and make Millard our man!!!

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Filmore
From: SINSULL
Date: 04 May 04 - 04:04 PM

Millard Filmore was a native of Buffalo. His home in East Aurora is a stone's throw from my brother's home and a mandatory class trip for every true blue Buffalonian grade school student. I will see if I can recruit some more votes.
SINS

Millard! Millard! He's my man.
If he can't do it, he can't.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Filmore
From: catspaw49
Date: 04 May 04 - 04:09 PM

Ah Sins you beauty you!!! I knew I could count on you!

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Filmore
From: SINSULL
Date: 04 May 04 - 04:09 PM

Why is Martin Van Buren beating out millard fillmore? And was Pierce really president? I missed that.

GB Jr. comes with a Certificate of Authenticity. Bet it's forged.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Filmore
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 04 May 04 - 05:17 PM

I have fulfilled my civic duty. I am so proud I think I'll be shittin' red, white & blue fer a week.

BTW, don't fergit to cast yer vote fer First Lady as well. I almost voted a split ticket and went fer Barbara Bush 'cause she looks so much like th' Quaker Oats guy an' my wife Susan really likes oatmeal, but then I remembered that she gave birth t' Dubya an' voted fer Mrs. Filmore instead.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Filmore
From: Bill D
Date: 04 May 04 - 06:46 PM

you sure you don't want MALLARD Fillmore? He seems more politically aware....

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Filmore
From: SINSULL
Date: 04 May 04 - 08:43 PM

Have PM'd the Buffalo and East Aurora Chambers of Commerce as well as the EA JAycees. My nephew has been recruited to get his cronies from Johns Hopkins in the vote. Millard may win after all.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Filmore
From: Amos
Date: 04 May 04 - 09:13 PM

I feel really dumb but, considering the much greater sacrifices you have made in that department, Pat, having made a flaming moron of yourself for Millard's sake, I have done my civic duty as a Catter. Three votes for Millard!! And pot in every Picking American! Or whatever...

A

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Filmore
From: wysiwyg
Date: 04 May 04 - 11:23 PM

I matched him up with Dolly Madison; I hope they will be very happy together. She's the correct aqnswer any time Jeopardy has a First Lady question set in that century. Been's as she's so popular in Jeopardy, I figured she was the best bet to take on three Millards.

Did you want this submitted for prayer to the Prayer Chain then Spaw? :~)

~Susan

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Filmore
From: wysiwyg
Date: 04 May 04 - 11:25 PM

PS: I DO think you ought to spell his name right, Pat!

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Filmore
From: LadyJean
Date: 05 May 04 - 12:55 AM

Sadly Fillmore only has 99 votes. We catters are going to have to do a little more. I voted for Warren G. Harding too, because great grandfather won a dollar from him playin poker. I voted for Rachel Jackson. Her husband was the kind of man who gives rat bastards a bad name, but I've always been fond of her.
For some reason Mrs. Martin Van Buren is high on the list of first ladies. I wonder if they shouldn't have Rose Greenhow. She was James Buchanan's unofficial first lady. (Buchanan wasn't married. Mrs. Greenhow hosted parties at the White House. She was a Confederate spy. So it was very convenient.)

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Filmore
From: open mike
Date: 05 May 04 - 02:01 AM

oops we may have overwhelmed the system..
i got a message back to say they could only
record so many votes for one person,
and that i could only vote once for
any person. I chose Eleanor Roosevelt for 1st lady.
they said i have to try agian later..

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Filmore
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 05 May 04 - 09:50 AM

By George! (No, not Little Hawk. And not Washington either. And damned sure not either one of those Bush assholes. We're talkin' whatever George it is that people usually mean when they say "By George!") She's right! The website seems to log voters IP numbers to keep them from voting twice! That's just not the American way! Just ask anyone from Chicago!

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Filmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 05 May 04 - 12:09 PM

Millard was one of 5 Unitarians who wer president. Another reason to vote for him - he followed a different (and liberal) religious path.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Filmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 05 May 04 - 12:18 PM

CURRENT RESULTS

                         1st    2nd    3rd    total

George W. Bush         187         88         60         335
Millard Fillmore         100         106         114         320
John Quincy Adams         43         101         115         259

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Filmore
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 05 May 04 - 01:03 PM

I'm with Bill D.

Mallard Fillmore is the only thing on my local editorials page that makes sense much anymore. (Of course, they do publish quite a lot of quotes from "local intellectuals.")

Tough competition for Bush as it is though. Of course, most who vote won't actually look at the candidates' records.

John

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Filmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 05 May 04 - 01:05 PM

Have you noticed that the dolls pictured George W. seems to have a scowel, while all the rest are fairly pleasant?

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Filmore
From: SINSULL
Date: 05 May 04 - 01:11 PM

Well - they're only showing Clinton from the waist up.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Filmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 05 May 04 - 01:14 PM

But he's smilin'!

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Filmore
From: M.Ted
Date: 06 May 04 - 01:13 PM

LadyJean,

Buchanan's official first lady was his niece, Harriet Lane. When Buchanan was young, he was engaged to a woman named Anne Coleman--they had a quarrel of some sort, and broke up, and she went home to the folks, where she immediately died(it is generally believed that she committed suicide). Buchanan never got over it, and never married(though he dated a lot).

I like Buchanan, partly because he was from Pennsylvania, and partly because he is regarded as the one of worst presidents we ever had (right along with his predecessor, Franklin Pierce). When Lincoln was inaugurated, he is supposed to have told him, "If you are as happy about coming into this office as I am about leaving it, you area a happy man indeed."


Even still, as a favor to Pat, I voted for Fillmore. He was the only President ever who actually admitted to being a "Know-Nothing"--

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Filmore
From: GUEST,MMario
Date: 06 May 04 - 01:38 PM

it wouldn't let me vote for fillmore in more then one location - and then when I tried using otherrs it told me I had already voted and couldn't vote again!

the noive!

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Filmore
From: Peace
Date: 06 May 04 - 01:44 PM

I voted for Fillmore three times.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Filmore
From: okthen
Date: 06 May 04 - 02:20 PM

They said they were too busy and to try again later, do you think they know I'm from the UK? If Millard Fillmore were alive today he'd be just another American President that didn't have the faintest idea who I am.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Filmore
From: Jim McCallan
Date: 06 May 04 - 03:23 PM

Filmore it is...

Jim

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Filmore
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 06 May 04 - 10:49 PM

Okay, so these little overpriced pieces of plastic crap talk, right? So does George W. Bush say "nukular"? How about "mission accomplished"? Maybe "Uhmerkha"?

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Filmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 07 May 04 - 01:48 AM

He's getting votes!


George W. Bush         187         88         60         335
Millard Fillmore         106         107         115         328
John Quincy Adams         43         103         116         262

Up 8 votes from last I looked. Just 8 more and he passes Bush! Come on people VOTE!

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Filmore
From: Jim McCallan
Date: 07 May 04 - 02:20 AM

Did it one more time....

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Filmore
From: RangerSteve
Date: 07 May 04 - 06:33 AM

OK, I voted for Millard, followed by Rutherford B. Hayes, who along with F. Pierce is the other president no one remembers and also has the distinction of having the only first name that will never be shared by another president. You may ask "what about Grover Cleveland?", well, his full name was Stephen Grover Cleveland, and being both a Steve and from New Jersey, he got my third vote. Mrs. Van Buren gets my vote as first lady, since she got a raw deal - Martin, in his autobiography, never refers to her once. He claimed it was not something a gentleman does.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Filmore
From: GUEST,MMario
Date: 07 May 04 - 08:28 AM

He's up to 332 vs Bush at 335 - but he's still 77 below bush for 'first choice'

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Filmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 07 May 04 - 12:19 PM

Hey Steve - I'd say it's unlikely that another president is going to have the name Rutherford, but you never to. Plus, theres a few other as well - I doubt that Abraham has much of a chance. And who would have thought that we have had 2 1/2 Georges? George isn't exactly the most common of names. Ronald, Gerald, Dwight and Franklin may come back as popular baby names some day, but how many boys get those names today? And those were presidents within the last 60 years.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Filmore
From: LadyJean
Date: 08 May 04 - 01:25 AM

I didn't know about Ms. Lane. I do remember the poem from Rosemary and Stephen Vincent Benet's "Book of Americans" "Poor James Buchanan fiddled his whole term through. The north was getting it's dander up the south was angry too." They're fun poems. I wish someone would bring it back into print, instead of the patriotic tripe they're pushing on kids now.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Filmore
From: flattop
Date: 08 May 04 - 01:39 AM

Both Grover Cleveland and Millard Fillmore were sheriffs of Erie Counrty, in the Buffalo area. H.L.Mencken wrote admiringly of Cleveland because he hung a lot of people when he was sheriff. Did Fillmore hang anyone?

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Filmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 08 May 04 - 08:17 PM

So was Cleveland the most hung president?

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Filmore
From: Peace
Date: 08 May 04 - 09:55 PM

Enough of this bullshit. I feel like I'm carrying the load here. I have voted for Millard SIX friggin' times. I have cast 5% of the votes for him. Where is the team spirit? I even left a note saying that I voted for his wife because I thought she had nice kazoos. I have never even seen his wife! Get with the program, PLEASE!

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Filmore
From: GUEST,Ron Davies
Date: 08 May 04 - 10:36 PM

Happen to be reading (because I like history) a 1200-page tome called The Rise and Fall of the American Whig Party. Fillmore, against all expectations, turns out to be not another cipher like some other 19th century (and 20th?)--perhaps somebody even closer? US presidents, but actually an interesting guy. (I suspect the others may be also if you find enough info on them)

As you know, he took over from Zachary Taylor when Taylor died in 1850. In fact he took over at a particularly tense time in US history. There was a border dispute between Texas and New Mexico which had heated up so much it could easily have started the Civil War in 1850, especially since slavery was an issue between the 2. New Mexico was not yet a state, but had declared its intention to come into the Union as a free state; Texas of course was a slave state. Texas had sent troops to the Santa Fe area to claim all the territory up to Santa Fe. Taylor, despite being a slaveholder himself, had sent US Army troops to the area (just before his death, as it turned out) to prevent the land grab by Texas.


Fillmore followed in Taylor's path by telling the Texans that if they invaded US territory by marching on Santa Fe, he would have no choice but to call out the militia and the regular army. The border question was settled as part of the Compromise of 1850. Each side thought it had been cheated (what's new?) but, as Fillmore pointed out, Congress and no other body had the power to determine the border between Texas and the terrritory of New Mexico (and to do it fast enough--neither a boundary commission nor the Supreme Court could be quick enough.) Texas thought it should have all of New Mexico east of of the Rio Grande; New Mexico and many northerners thought 1/3 of New Mexico had been surrendered (to get the present day border).

Fillmore pushed for passage of the entire package of the Compromise (including the Fugitive Slave Act). You could make the case that the Compromise was in fact necessary, since it prevented the clash of Texan and US arms (and southern states had promised to back Texas-Southerners were ready to fight. In the decade of the 1850's the North expanded considerably both in industrial power and population. As it was, the Civil War was a near thing-- a la Vietnam and the American Revolution, all the South had to do was persuade enough Northerners that it was not   worth the blood and treasure to keep prosecuting the war. In 1850, the South might well have won (if generalship had been similar to what it was 11 years later)---- (I know, pure speculation, but intriguing, at least I think so.)


Anyway, by 1855 it was obvious to Fillmore, who was a Whig, that the Know-Nothings were making big inroads into the Whigs--by saying what Whig leaders didn't, but quite a few rank-and-file believed--the Irish were undercutting wage scales, Catholics were a danger to the Protestant republic, and the Irish and Germans together were bringing down the morals of "good Americans" by drinking and running taverns. It was a delicate situation for Fillmore, who knew that lots of Whigs reviled nativism (and the secrecy of the Know-Nothings), but Fillmore wanted election in 1856.


In 1852, the Whigs ran Winfield Scott ("Old Fuss and Feathers") (a far cry from "Old Rough and Ready" (Taylor), though both had been prominent in the Mexican War, which the Whigs opposed. The Whigs lost in 1852, against a political pigmy, Franklin Pierce, "the hero of many a well-fought bottle". ---(who else could this describe?) This author seems to believe the Whigs lost, ironically, because of their extremely clumsy attempt to win the immigrant vote. Scott, in a speech in Cleveland in the rain to a shouted response from the crowd: "I love to hear the Irish brogue, I have heard it before on many battlefields and I wish to hear it many times more" But the Irish and German Catholics knew there were lots of bigots in the Whig party, and so Scott did not get their vote and lost the bigot vote also (turnout was also way down).


Sorry to ramble--I just thought it's an interesting story---OK--by 1855 Fillmore was trying to co-opt the Know-Nothings into the Whig party. He sent out feelers to them. He hoped he would not have to lower himself by actually joining the Know-Nothings, but eventually it became obvious he would have to, and he did. This book says he did it because of genuine concern that the Kansas-Nebraska Act and the agitation caused by it was endangering the Union, and he was the best hope for a nationwide Union party. (No ambition on his part--well--OK-- if you say so) In the end Fillmore was never elected President.


Re: Fillmore as a Unitarian--not sure --have no info on this. But, if I were Unitarian, I wouldn't necessarily be so enthusiastic to claim Unitarian forbears. Unitarians didn't always wear white hats. (Fillmore--Fugitive Slave Act). Also, another book I'm reading, The Age of Jackson--Arthur Schlesinger Jr. ( won the Pulitzer for this one) quotes an extremely prominent Unitarian preacher, William Ellery Channing, as claiming that the rich had worse problems than the poor: The poor may be sometimes be overworked but "how many of our daughters are victims of ennui, a misery unknown to the poor and more intolerable than the weariness of excessive toil!"

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Filmore
From: flattop
Date: 09 May 04 - 12:22 AM

Say Ron, I believe for Millard Fillimore and Grover Cleveland were back-to-back peresidents, both former sheriffs of Erie County. From what you wrote, Cleveland must have followed Fillmore. Do you know how Buffalo was able to send two boys in a row to the Whitehouse? Or am I wrong on the back-to-back?

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Filmore
From: GUEST,Jim McCallan
Date: 09 May 04 - 12:59 AM

Great story!

Jim

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Filmore
From: GUEST,Ron Davies
Date: 09 May 04 - 01:28 PM

Thanks for your interest, Jim. I have to say I'm not even tempted to read fiction---history is just too fascinating

Flattop--Buchanan (said by some, including a Smithsonian article I read, to a be a strong candidate for the all-time worst US president), followed Pierce, who was the political pygmy elected in 1852. So it was Fillmore, Pierce, Buchanan. (I don't know why I put that in--just wanted to mention Buchanan, I suppose.)

   
Cleveland was elected in 1884--- "Ma, Ma, Where's my pa? Gone to the White House, Ha Ha Ha.". Cleveland also has the distinction of being the only president to ever have been elected to two terms separated by somebody else's presidency; in this case Benjamin Harrison. This is all asssuming my memory is accurate.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Filmore
From: Peace
Date: 09 May 04 - 07:14 PM

Voted for him NINE times so far.

Thanks for the history, Ron. Great reading.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Filmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 09 May 04 - 07:42 PM

Doing well:

                        1st    2nd    3rd    total
Calvin Coolidge         81         126         211         418
Lyndon Johnson                130         103         163         396
Millard Fillmore         118         109         115         342
George W. Bush                187         88         60         335
John Quincy Adams         44         105         118         267


Passed the Bush We're on our way to grabbing the Johnson!

Still a bit away for being the #1 in first votes, however.

Keep voting and tell people in other threads about this - imagine that Filmore ends up being #1!

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Peace
Date: 09 May 04 - 08:10 PM

In true Canadian tradition, I vote for Filmore for first choice, second choice and third choice. I have done so NINE times so far. I shall do so again tomorrow until I can no longer vote. Such is my promise to my fellow 'catters. Now, with the kindest of tone and the mellowest of feeling: GET YER FRIGGIN' REARS IN GEAR VOTE, OFTEN. Thank you.

Bruce M

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Filmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 09 May 04 - 08:22 PM

Brucie - if you're given the chance, please vote for Kerry, come November.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Filmore
From: Peace
Date: 09 May 04 - 09:40 PM

I hear thet, Blackcatter. The world needs to be rid of Bush and his gang. Soon. I hope and pray that Kerry is voted in.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Filmore
From: catspaw49
Date: 09 May 04 - 11:44 PM

BC....brucie....flattop......etal..........Thanks for taking on this worthwhile project and supporting Millard in his hours of need. Keep up the good work!

Ya' know. I've been around here over 5 years and I'm still amazed to watch how even the most trivial crappola can become a history lesson or a really great discussion. Once again, the 'Cat transcends music.........simply amazing.

Let's keep passing the word and put Millard out there..........er......well, you know what I mean.............

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Filmore
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 09 May 04 - 11:58 PM

Thanks SPAW

But NO TAHNX!!!

What-cha-tryin-ta-due????????

Think back....is this the "best-side-of Spaw"....or perhaps is this a thread the originator,with their vested resources, would like to bury????????

Sincerely,

Gargoyle

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Filmore
From: Hrothgar
Date: 10 May 04 - 06:33 AM

Harding was, IM(not very)HO, the worst. Then again, you Yanks seem to have strange bases of assessment. How come John Quincy Adams is so far down the list?

Please also explain to me how there are two Mrs Wilsons on the list. Woodrow wasn't widowed while President, was he?

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Filmore
From: Peace
Date: 10 May 04 - 12:27 PM

Twelve times.

I have it on good advice that Fillmore will buy copious amounts of beer--truckloads--for people who vote for him. Think about that, fellow and fellowette 'catters. British beer. The good stuff. Why aren't British people voting? Back to y'all tomorrow when I have cast my fifteenth vote for Millard and his lovely wife's kazoos.

Brucie

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Filmore
From: SINSULL
Date: 10 May 04 - 01:57 PM

Wow! I learn something new everyday - Woodrow Wilson lost 12 wives while he was president. ANyone know how many he lost before and after? And he looked like such a dour old creep...

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Filmore
From: Peace
Date: 10 May 04 - 11:37 PM

Fifteen times. Fillmore kicks ass!

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Filmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 11 May 04 - 12:55 AM

bruce - are you sure you're not from Chicago?

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Filmore
From: GUEST
Date: 11 May 04 - 10:22 AM

48 votes to go to pass LBJ

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Filmore
From: Peace
Date: 11 May 04 - 02:15 PM

Eighteen times.

I am from Quebec, specifically Montreal. We voted regularly and often for the candidate of our choice. Our politicians were honest: Once bought, they stayed bought. Like Chicago I guess.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Filmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 11 May 04 - 02:20 PM

Lyndon Johnson      130   104   164   398
Millard Fillmore    126   109   115   350
George W. Bush      187   88    61    336
John Quincy Adams   44    106   120   270

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Peace
Date: 11 May 04 - 06:16 PM

Twenty-one. There will be no stopping Fillmore and his wife's kazoos.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Jim McCallan
Date: 11 May 04 - 06:55 PM

I must admit I've voted for him five or six times already, myself. )1,2,3)
Can't say as I'd heard of him before I came to this thread

Go Millard! :-)

Jim

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Peace
Date: 11 May 04 - 07:42 PM

Hey, Jim, I should clarify (thanks to you). My voting has been 1,2,3 also. So, up to now I have voted for him seven times for 1, etc.

BM

PS I have also voted for his wife seven times, but because my decision to vote for her was based on my perception of her kazoos, then I have either voted for her 3 1/2 times or 14 times. It will take someone better 'n me at math to figure that out.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST,MMario
Date: 12 May 04 - 08:20 AM

when I tried to vote for him as 1,2, and 3 it wouldn't take my vote. How are you guys getting it to accept them?

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST
Date: 12 May 04 - 09:27 AM

Lyndon Johnson      130      104      164   398
Millard Fillmore    132      109      115   356
George W. Bush      187       88       62   337

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Peace
Date: 12 May 04 - 02:52 PM

Twenty-four. And another for the kazoos.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 12 May 04 - 10:02 PM

MMario - it should work. It doesn't let you vote one than once until you wait a while. I vote about once a day - when I tried to vote immediately after voting, it wouldn't let me.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST,Scutwerker
Date: 13 May 04 - 08:14 AM

You guys are amazing! Your votes have helped push our last Whig president past LBJ!
I'm sure if Millard Fillmore, our 13th president, were alive today, he'd have to take a tonic to quell his enthusiasm at the prospects of being immortalized in a 13 inch replica of molded, polymerized, petroleum byproducts.

Be nice to Spaw. He is a valuable member of any online community.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST,MMario
Date: 13 May 04 - 09:38 AM

an hour is enough time to wait.

Lyndon Johnson    131 105 164 400
Millard Fillmore   137 109 115 361
George W. Bush    187 89 62 338

you will notice only 5 votes registered for millard since yesterday am.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 13 May 04 - 12:54 PM

Name         First         Second         Third         Total

Ronald Reagan                2584         1214         695         4493
William J. Clinton         3393         473         592         4458
George Washington         1448         1416         1314         4178
Thomas Jefferson         600         1796         1440         3836
Abraham Lincoln         544         1037         1110         2691
John F. Kennedy         476         973         1049         2498
Richard Nixon                638         796         762         2196
Franklin D. Roosevelt         458         592         1070         2120
Jimmy Carter                289         1172         556         2017
Theodore Roosevelt         513         677         761         1951
George H.W. Bush         304         525         437         1266
Dwight Eisenhower         93         341         374         808
Harry Truman                158         267         318         743
Martin Van Buren         464         146         128         738
John Adams                210         211         199         620
Ulysses S. Grant         85         189         220         494
Andrew Jackson                91         166         224         481
William H. Taft         70         90         271         431
Calvin Coolidge         81         126         211         418
Lyndon Johnson          131         105         164         400
Millard Fillmore         141         109         115         365
George W. Bush                187         89         62         338

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 13 May 04 - 12:59 PM

You know, looking at the list, me thinks we should try to get Reagan knocked off the top of the list. He was such a scary piece of crap, and any "reward" he gets is so competely undeserved.

Maybe we need to take this to next level - tell your friends (if you have them) outside the Mudcat. I'll send the link to my Unitarian Universalist friends and ask them to vote for Filmore the Unitarian.

I'm not encouraging you to vote for Clinton as well as Filmore (to knock Reagan of the top) but something must be done.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 13 May 04 - 01:12 PM

I just sent it out on 5 UU message boards.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST,MMario
Date: 13 May 04 - 01:44 PM

I've been experimenting - 25 minutes between votes is sufficient - perhaps less. I will continue to check.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST
Date: 13 May 04 - 02:18 PM

10 minutes is acceptable between votes - six is not...

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Peace
Date: 13 May 04 - 02:50 PM

Twenty-seven and one for the knockers.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST
Date: 13 May 04 - 02:57 PM

chocked up 12 votes (so far) today

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 May 04 - 02:58 PM

I intend to keep voting for Millard Fillmore till I go blue in the face, and I am voting for Hillary Clinton to be his consort.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Irish sergeant
Date: 13 May 04 - 03:01 PM

Another for Millard Fillmore! A second for "Silent Cal" and one for Ruthafraud B. Hayes just to be spiteful towards the politicians of today (Ronnie, GWH, GW etc, etc, etc) And a fun time was had by all.Irish sergeant

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST
Date: 13 May 04 - 04:10 PM

two more "first" votes and he passes Harry Truman. (But you will notice they rank them in the list by TOTAL votes) Using that value still needs 20 to pass LBJ

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Peace
Date: 13 May 04 - 05:14 PM

Thirty, and one for the youknows.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 13 May 04 - 06:10 PM

Down to 17 to pass LBJ.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Peace
Date: 13 May 04 - 06:27 PM

Thirty-three and one for the pair.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST,the ghost of Millard Fillmore
Date: 13 May 04 - 06:38 PM

I want to sincerely thank all of you for this, and particulary Catspaw49. I am very touched.

Millard Fillmore

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Peace
Date: 13 May 04 - 07:41 PM

Thirty-six and one for his wife.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST,Ellenpoly
Date: 14 May 04 - 05:32 AM

Ok, I finally read this posting just to see what the heck it was about, and consequently went to the website and indeed voted for Fillmore (I had a very bad feeling that if I didn't, the ghost of Fillmore in the guise of blackcatter would come to haunt me.)

Now, if it's alright with everybody, what I'm going to do at this point is vote for all the names of Presidents I really know nothing about...not even what they looked like. I figure this is as good a reason as any to want to see a doll of them made.

But I PROMISE...first choice will always go to Millard..xx..e

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST
Date: 14 May 04 - 08:03 AM

13 needed to pass LBJ in totals. 80 to pass John Adams in "firsts"

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST
Date: 14 May 04 - 10:40 AM

Calvin Coolidge    81 127 212 420
Millard Fillmore   177 109 115 401
Lyndon Johnson    131 105 164 400

34 to pass John Adams in "firsts"

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Peace
Date: 14 May 04 - 11:19 AM

Thirty-nine and one for the Giffers.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST,MMario
Date: 14 May 04 - 11:25 AM

Brucie - your votes are *NOT* registering. (since I've been checking stats about every 15 minutes over the last two days I can say that definativly)

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Peace
Date: 14 May 04 - 04:27 PM

Ah, crap. All that for nothing? Screw Bush. I voted for Millard 13 times. Crap again. Thanks for telling me, Mario. Let the old boy know I tried. Crap.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST,MMario
Date: 14 May 04 - 04:32 PM

John Adams            211 213 201 625
...
William H. Taft          70   90 274 434
Millard Fillmore    204 110 115 429
Calvin Coolidge         81 127 212 420

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: catspaw49
Date: 15 May 04 - 05:31 AM

I just dropped by and voted again......Millard is now up to 431!!!

You guys are really dooking....Gotta' get some more action in from the racing nuts.......MANY THANKS......Let's keep it up a bit longer as Millard can pass quite a few for very few votes!!!

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 15 May 04 - 06:25 PM

Ellen - if that's what it takes to visit your bedchamber . . .

Off to vote.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 15 May 04 - 06:31 PM

John Adams                212         214         202         628
Ulysses S. Grant         87         191         222         500
Andrew Jackson                92         167         225         484
Millard Fillmore         212         110         115         437
William H. Taft         70         90         274         434

Next one to pass is the Territiorial governor of Florida (as far as I know, the only territorial governor to become president, and the last politician from Florida to make it to the Oval Office).

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: MMario
Date: 16 May 04 - 12:29 PM

Andrew Jackson    92 167 225 484
Millard Fillmore 215 110 115 440
William H. Taft   70 90 274 434

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: dianavan
Date: 17 May 04 - 12:14 AM

Well, I tried but they wouldn't let me vote for Millard for 1st, 2nd amd 3rd.

I tried again, but "We're sorry. We can only record a limited number of votes from any individual user. Please try again later. Thank you."

Maybe my vote doesn't count. I always suspected this, anyway.

Boo hoo....

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Hrothgar
Date: 17 May 04 - 06:21 AM

How come I'm the only silly bastard voting for Frances Cleveland?

Nice youg chick ...

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST
Date: 17 May 04 - 08:19 AM

if you vote for the same person in more then one slot your vote is disallowed. Then you have to wait a minimum of ten minutes vefore you can vote again.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 17 May 04 - 01:33 PM

ah.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST
Date: 17 May 04 - 01:59 PM

a side effect - Benjermin Harrison has gone from dead last to fourth from the bottom.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST
Date: 17 May 04 - 04:13 PM

Andrew Jackson    92 167 225 484
Millard Fillmore 245 110 115 470
William H. Taft   70 90 274 434

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 17 May 04 - 11:42 PM

Ulysses S. Grant    89   192   223   504
Andrew Jackson      92   168   226   486
Millard Fillmore   252   110   115   477


Keep voting!

Remember you can't vote more often than every ten minutes and you can't vote for him for 1st, 2nd and 3rd.

I've been voting for Clinton too - to try to get him over Reagan.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST
Date: 18 May 04 - 09:46 AM

Ulysses S. Grant    89 192 223 504
Millard Fillmore   263 110 115 488
Andrew Jackson      93 168 226 487

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 18 May 04 - 12:56 PM

Martin Van Buren         464         147         128         739
John Adams                214         218         205         637
Millard Fillmore         285         110         115         510
Ulysses S. Grant         89         193         223         505





WOW!

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST,MMario
Date: 18 May 04 - 01:17 PM

The "steps" between are getting higher...but Millard is going like gangbusters!!!!

anyone know any of his campaign songs?

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Irish sergeant
Date: 18 May 04 - 02:27 PM

Sorry Folks, no campaign songs. Millard became presindent when Zachary Taylor died of what was probably gastroenteritis but was diagnosed as cholera moribus in July of 1850. I don't know if he ran in 1852. I'll have to look that up. Irish Sergeant

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 18 May 04 - 02:59 PM

FROM: http://nene.essortment.com/millarfillmore_ppq.htm

President Zachary Taylor had opposed the Compromise of 1850, which would allow the spread of Slavery to the new states. Now, President Fillmore supported the Compromise because he felt it was the only way to prevent a Civil War. When Fillmore became President that was his main agenda, to sign the five documents that made up the Compromise of 1850. The compromise would allow the spread of slavery into the free states and also what is known as the Fugitive Slave Act. This Act allowed slave owners to go north and recapture blacks that were thought to be runaways back to the south without a trial. The northern states hated that law. They would try to protect the blacks by offering free legal advice and also posted warnings of known slave hunters in the area. The slave hunters would not only kidnap the runaway slaves but would sometimes kidnap blacks that were free and bring them to the south and make them slaves. This cost Millard Fillmore any political future.

By signing the Compromise of 1850, Fillmore lost any future nominations from the Whig party they did not want anything to do with him. At this point they despised him. During the Campaign of 1852, the Whigs would not support him, so Millard Fillmore chose to retire.

----

So no campaign songs. He never ran for the Presidency. Any Zachary Taylor/Millard Fillmore campaign songs?

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST
Date: 18 May 04 - 03:06 PM

Rough and Ready

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 18 May 04 - 03:18 PM

For Fillmore (no lyrics):

1        Fillmore schottisch, op. 28 /
2        American quadrille /
3        Fillmore grand waltz, op. 253 /


For Taylor:

Hurrah for Rough and Ready
(sung to the tune of Old Dan Tucker)

When Washington and Jackson fled,
Folks thought our race of heroes dead,
But Freedom to her soil still steady,
Sent gallant Taylor, "the Rough and Ready."

Hurrah, hurrah,
Hurrah, hurrah,
Both night and day with voices steady,
Shout for our gallant "Rough and Ready."

A noble son of old Kentuck,
With a heart like a lion, an eye like a buck,
A head as clear as her skies so free,
And frame as tough as her hickory tree.

Hurrah, hurrah, &c.

In eighteen "12" 'gainst twelve to one,
He bravely saved Fort Harrison,
And made Miami's red skins fly,
From the lead of his guns, and the fire of his eye.

Hurrah, hurrah, &c.

At Florida in '37,
With five hundred men --- the foe eleven,
He burnt "red alligators" Toby,
And conquered at Lake Okeechobee.

Hurrah, hurrah, &c.

There Thompson, Brooke, and a hundred fell,
'Mid the roar of the storm and the Indian yell,
But Taylor gave the cats such cracks,
That they flew from the field like the fur from their backs.

Hurrah, hurrah, &c.
At last against the lurking foe,
The pride of Bandit, Mexico,
He met them five to one quite handy,
And gave them Yankee Doodle Dandy.

Hurrah, hurrah, &c.

He covered Palo Alto's grass,
And Resaca de la Palma's Pass,
With heads and limbs and being winner,
He fed his troops on Arista's dinner.

Hurrah, hurrah, &c.

Then hail to Zach., the first of men,
With sword or word, or with the pen,
To the people ever true and steady,
We'll find him still "Old Rough and Ready."

Hurrah, hurrah,
Hurrah, hurrah,
Both night and day with voices steady,
Shout for the gallant "Rough and Ready."

Come fall in boys, eyes right and steady.
And raise the shout for Rough and Ready,
He licked Old Peg Leg with his Pass
And now he'll use up Lewis Cass.*

All of the preceding verses are from the Rough and Ready Songster except for this one.
This verse was found in an article in Fort Scott's files.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 18 May 04 - 04:07 PM

John Adams         214   218   205   637
Millard Fillmore   302   111   115   528

But he will pass George H.W. Bush in 1st place votes with only 6 more!


On the other hand:

Ronald Reagan          2620   1215   697   4532
William J. Clinton      3393    483   608   4484

Clinton will pass Reagan with only 49 more votes for ultimate leader.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Irish sergeant
Date: 18 May 04 - 06:41 PM

Thanks Blackcatter! Great information on one of our least known presidents. Neil (AKA Irish sergeant)

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST
Date: 19 May 04 - 08:59 AM

John Adams       214 218 205 637
Millard Fillmore 318 111 116 545
Ulysses S. Grant 89 193 223 505

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: catspaw49
Date: 19 May 04 - 08:16 PM

MILLARD IS AT 593!!!

Again, I thank all of you for not only the suport but the song and everything else. Can we go just a bit longer and push the ol' boy up with the well known and recent group? It will take about another 150 votes or so, but we've come this far and I hate to see Millard so near and yet so far!

Vote early.....vote often. If you're voting for the first time might I suggest Garfield, Buchanan, Tyler, or Polk as your second and third slots? No competition to Millard that way!

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Jeri
Date: 19 May 04 - 08:51 PM

Stupid idea? YEE-HAA!
I don't know where you got 593, unless you're adding. He just now had 365 first pick votes.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: catspaw49
Date: 19 May 04 - 08:56 PM

The tally is for all votes Jeri....the far right column.....He's almost up into the recognized guys!!!! BTW, if you space it right, you can vote several times a day. I always throw Millard in at two or three on my second or third vote.

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Jim McCallan
Date: 19 May 04 - 09:02 PM

597

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Amos
Date: 19 May 04 - 09:18 PM

Impressive -- he's ahead of U.S. Grant!


A

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: catspaw49
Date: 19 May 04 - 09:20 PM

599

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 19 May 04 - 10:10 PM

John Adams                214         218         205         637
Millard Fillmore       368         116         117         601


And by the way - just a few more votes for Bill Clinton and he's ahead of Reagan. I typically vote 1 Fillmore 2 whoever's on the bottom 3 Clinton.

Share this tread on other thread too! If you don't know how to make a "blue clicky" click on the blue clicky at the bottom of the post box. It's easy.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Ron Davies
Date: 19 May 04 - 11:28 PM

Millard Fillmore "chose to retire". Not exactly. He ran again in 1856. By 1855 he was trying to inveigle Know-Nothings into the Whig party, since he realized they were in fact the only booming party at the time, and signing up many former Whigs. After trying to get Know-Nothing support without actually joining them, he realized it wouldn't work and did join them. Still didn't work for him--he was never elected president.

There's a lot more to the story--regarding the Fugitive Slave Act, election of 1852 (Whigs decided to run Winfield Scott, since they had won with William Henry Harrison and Zachary Taylor--in fact they only won with generals--- and the third time was not lucky)--- and other topics. I have more of the story in my post of 8 May 2004 10:36 PM, but there's yet more.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 19 May 04 - 11:40 PM

So how many generals have been president?


Ronald Reagan                2637         1215         697         4549
William J. Clinton         3393         491         636         4520


Harry Truman                161        269        320        750
Martin Van Buren        464         147         129         740
John Adams                214         218         205         637
Millard Fillmore        370         116         117         603

It'd be great if we could get him up past Truman - that would definately put him in the same group with some of the best and most popular (which can be mutually exclusive).

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Jim McCallan
Date: 19 May 04 - 11:48 PM

605

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 19 May 04 - 11:52 PM

Naw, 605 could not have been president - we haven't had that many generals!

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 19 May 04 - 11:54 PM

Millard Fillmore

Religious Affiliation: Unitarian

(From: http://user.ksni.net/~uuquincy/projects/stamps/6millardfillmore.htm) We know nothing of Millard Fillmore's religious life as a child. He and Abigail Powers were married by the Reverend H. H. Smith in Moravia, New York. They lived in East Aurora, New York where Millard practiced law.

Sometime after they moved to Buffalo, they joined the First Unitarian Society (they were actually charter members). The pew rental assignment from the original church shows the pew which belonged to the Fillmore family. The church building, where they worshipped was burned around the year 1870, and most of the church records were burned too.

While Mr. Fillmore was in Washington, D. C. he attended the Unitarian Church. One minister, the Rev. Joseph Henry Allen, a graduate of Harvard Divinity School, was minister here from 1847-1850. Allen's sermons dealt with many of the perplexing problems of the time. Foremost among them was, of course, slavery. Though many preachers were avoiding discussion of this matter, he, like Longfellow and Channing, never hesitated to express himself on the side of freedom. However, his ministry lasted only three years.

It has been written, that the years between 1827-1854 were "Years of Struggle" for the Unitarian Society in Washington, D.C. "It was misunderstood and misrepresented in the community and at times political dissensions threatened its existence. But the families of .... John Adams .... John Quincy Adams....and Millard Fillmore during his presidency stood together in the old church edifice as in a strong fortress. It was important to them and to those who were to come after that a Unitarian Church in the capital of the nation be maintained. And thanks to them, it was."

Abraham Lincoln attended the Unitarian Church in Buffalo with Millard Fillmore on Lincoln's way to the inauguration. Lincoln was Fillmore's overnight guest. Former president (and fellow Unitarian) John Quincy Adams attended the Buffalo church with Fillmore in 1843)

Fillmore showed his interest in education by helping to found the University of Buffalo, now the State University of New York.

Summary of Religious Views:

    Fillmore had no formal religious ties, and indeed had shown relatively little interest in religion, until he joined the Unitarian church in about 1831.

Views on Religion & Politics:

    Fillmore strongly supported the separation of church and state. In the early 1830s, he labored to overturn the New York test law that required all witnesses in New York courts to swear an oath affirming their belief in God and the hereafter. Among other actions, Fillmore wrote a series of public letters opposing the the test law.

Quotations:

    "In my opinion, Church and State should be separate, not only in form, but fact -- religion and politics should not be mingled." -- from a series of campaign speeches, Summer of 1856

I had not the advantage of a classical education and no man should, in my judgement, accept a degree he cannot read. (on why Fillmore declined an honorary degree from Oxford University)

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: catspaw49
Date: 20 May 04 - 06:58 AM

I'm actually beginning to really like this guy!!! Thanks BC!!!

610

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: jeffp
Date: 20 May 04 - 11:38 AM

Adams has been passed. Next up Van Buren.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST
Date: 20 May 04 - 11:40 AM

Martin Van Buren   464 147 129 740
Millard Fillmore   406 119 117 642
John Adams         215 218 205 638

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 20 May 04 - 12:17 PM

Well with the number of fairly liberal religious people around here, I figured it be nice to see that Fillmore was a "stand up" kind of guy. Nice to see that he was serious about his faith too - so many of our recent presidents have been religious just because the were supposed to.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: katlaughing
Date: 20 May 04 - 12:37 PM

Jaysus, Spaw! I Knew I shoulda opened this thread a long time ago. Spent the better part of last night reading it and your gol-danged links..now I am so sleepy I can hardly type!

I did my part...I voted for him for 1st, 2nd, and 3rd and I nicely paired him up with his wife. He does sound as though he was a decent fellow. *Warning: shameless plug* If I'd gotten a sixth of the hits he's had, well...paid hits, that is, my book would be going to the printer's today!

Glad to do my part For Fillmore!

Hmmmm, Charles and Myrtle Fillmore founded another very liberal religious society: Unity School of Christianity/Unity Church. I wonder if they were related descendants?

kat

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: jeffp
Date: 20 May 04 - 01:22 PM

kat, if you vote for him more than once at a time, the votes don't register.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST
Date: 20 May 04 - 04:21 PM

in shooting range of van buren

Martin Van Buren 464 147 129 740
Millard Fillmore 435 128 117 680

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 20 May 04 - 10:11 PM

"shooting" isn't the best term when talking about presidents.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 20 May 04 - 10:14 PM

690

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Ron Davies
Date: 20 May 04 - 11:08 PM

Fillmore is an interesting guy but no role model. He pushed the entire Compromise of 1850 including the Fugitive Slave Law. (It is of course possible that had not the entire Compromise package been passed, the Civil War would have started 11 years earlier, but we'll never know). As president he strongly enforced the Fugitive Slave Law, with its retroactive provisions which threatened blacks long resident in the North, and with its lack of jury trials. By the end of 1851, alleged runaways had been captured in New York, Pennsylvania, Indiana,, Illinois and Massachusetts and returned to the South. If he had heard abolitionist sermons in his church in the 1830's and 1840's, as president he did not let that influence him. His friend John Quincy Adams would have been very disappointed if he had lived to see Fillmore president.


In 1856 he was the candidate of the Know-Nothing party, basically a fraternal order against Catholics (papal plot to topple the Protestant state), particularly against Irish (threatened to bring wage scales down for everybody since they'd take jobs at virtually any pay) and/or against immigrants in general, depending on what would play in a given area. Whether or not he believed all this, in 1856 he was their standard-bearer. There is also evidence that he ascribed an early loss in his career to abolitionists and immigrants.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 20 May 04 - 11:56 PM

Clinton is on top! Someone let Clinton Hammond know!

Name                         First         Second        Third         Total
William J. Clinton         3394         507         658         4559
Ronald Reagan                2637         1215         697         4549
George Washington         1467         1508         1355         4330


Harry Truman                 161         270         320         751
Martin Van Buren         465         147         129         741
Millard Fillmore         446         129         118         693



Ron - certainly he wasn't the perfect person. One thing is that the Unitarians who were abolitionists at that time were mainly in New England and not in the other parts of the country. Buffalo in the 1830s was not a place to be an abolitionist and a successful politician.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST
Date: 21 May 04 - 10:45 AM

JFK 476
FDR 467
Martin Van Buren 465
Mudcat's Favourite Son - 461

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 21 May 04 - 12:03 PM

I'm currently voting for George Washington (to pass Reagan) and John Quincy Adams (to pass George W Bush) as well as Fillmore.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: catspaw49
Date: 21 May 04 - 12:12 PM

That's a good idea BC!!! Doesn't hurt Millard and GW deserves it!

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST
Date: 21 May 04 - 12:13 PM

don't that the fugitive slave act was part of a parcel that also included banning slavery in the district of columbia - admitting a state as a "free" state - establishing various territories as "free" territories and several other abolitionist measures.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 21 May 04 - 12:17 PM

That's what I figured Spaw - even the guys on the top of the list - Fillmore is so far away from that, that it doesn't matter.

And I'd love to see Dubbya near the bottom of the list.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST,MMario
Date: 21 May 04 - 01:52 PM

I'm trying my dangdest to get Andrew Johnson up above Dubya as well. - but I'll contribute to the put "George Washington on top" campaign. - as long as Millard keeps getting votes.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST
Date: 21 May 04 - 04:16 PM

only a couple votes to go to pass truman

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST,Scutwerker
Date: 21 May 04 - 04:37 PM

Fillmore enforced the Fugitive slave law because it was the law of the land, and a result of the Dred Scott decision, which in some ways blurred the distinction between slave and free states.

If anything, the enforcement of the fugitive slave act actually advanced the abolitionist cause. It forced the so-called free states to face the fact that this country's laws allowed slavery to exist. Citizens in free states could no longer take comfort in thinking that slavery was a regional issue. A slave in America was a slave anywhere they went. If slavey was to be abolished, it would have to be on a national scale.

Whether as Whig or a Know Nothing, I would just like to see a president recognized, that neither of our current ruling duopoly of politcal parties can claim as their own.

I don't think Jefferson or Jackson would fall in line with today's Democrats, not do I think that Lincoln would identify with the current Republican Party.

Our exhalted icons are every bit as flawed as those left in obscurity.

A vote for Fillmore is the act of an iconoclast. Go ahead, smash those idols!

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 21 May 04 - 04:44 PM

I just put him past Truman (which my dad would have liked. He never forgave Truman for dropping the A-bombs). Around 70 more votes to past Ike. He's the last one that's close. Everyone else will take serious dedication.

Name                        First         Second Third         Total
William J. Clinton         3394         508         659         4561
Ronald Reagan                2637         1215         698         4550
George Washington         1471         1510         1371         4352
Thomas Jefferson         611         1821         1478         3910
Abraham Lincoln         545         1047         1116         2708
John F. Kennedy         476         975         1050         2501
Richard Nixon                646         811         767         2224
Franklin D. Roosevelt         468         600         1078         2146
Jimmy Carter                292         1177         560         2029
Theodore Roosevelt         514         681         765         1960
George H.W. Bush         310         528         440         1278
Dwight Eisenhower         93         345         384         822
Millard Fillmore         497         137         120         754
Harry Truman                162         270         321         753

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 21 May 04 - 04:49 PM

The first time I check and posted on this thread Fillmore had 320 votes. So we have voted for him 434 times!

To past George HW Bush - we need over 500, but obviously we can do it.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: catspaw49
Date: 21 May 04 - 08:07 PM

You've done a superlative job BC!!! Some of the votes have also come from the folks at the SPEED website. A few of them have taken off and run with this too. I just go back and forth and cheerlead a bit. Click the link in my original post labeled "Dumbshit" and you can see they too have been busy.

Millard is now exactly 60 votes shy of Ike and I am looking forward to how great his name will look in the Top 12!!!!!!!!

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Little Hawk
Date: 21 May 04 - 08:25 PM

This is great! I put in the vote that tied Millard with Truman and then Blackcatter pushed him over the top. Hurrah! On we go to devastate Ike!

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 21 May 04 - 09:18 PM

Not just me Spaw, I'm happy to post the numbers, it's useful in this process.

Off to vote.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: catspaw49
Date: 22 May 04 - 10:43 AM

I know BC...and Mario, Jim, jeff, Ron, and others have been a big help, but it's obvious that your contributions too have been significant!!!

At the moment:

Dwight Eisenhower 93 345 384 822
Millard Fillmore 516 140 124 780

Getting very close.....Just a few more and we're over the hump!!!

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 22 May 04 - 12:49 PM

There's only 38 to go.

Washington's doing well too.   Only 170+ to go to pass Reagan.

I still got to figure out how many presidents were generals. I'll be back.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 22 May 04 - 03:36 PM

OK, here we go:

Revolutionary War:
Washington: General & Commander of the Continental Army
Monroe: Continental Army lieutenant colonel

Indian Wars:
Wm. Harrison: ensign in the First Infantry of the Regular Army, rose to vice captaincy
Jackson: General in Creek and Seminole Indian Wars as well as War of 1812
Lincoln: captain in the Black Hawk War

Mexican War:
Taylor: General
Pierce: brigadier general

Civil War:
Grant: General-in-Chief of the Union Forces
Garfield: major general of volunteers.
Hayes: brevet major general
McKinley: Enlisted as a private in the Union Army, mustered out at the end of the war as a brevet major
B. Harrison: Colonel of the 70th Volunteer Infantry
Arthur: Quartermaster General of the State of New York

Spanish-American War:
T. Roosevelt: lieutenant colonel of the Rough Rider Regiment

World War I
Truman: captain in the Field Artillery

World War II
Eisenhower: General, Commander of the Allied Forces
Kennedy: Navy lieutenant & commander of a PT boat
L. Johnson: Navy lieutenant commander
Nixon: Navy lieutenant commander
Ford: Navy lieutenant commander
G.H.W. Bush: Navy lieutenant pilot

Carter: Navy lieutenant & senior officer on one of the first nuclear submarines (1946-1953) Carter is the only president to serve in the military without being involved in combat situations, though he attended the Naval Academy during WWII.

So, 8 president were generals. Interestingly, all recent presidents which served, did so in the Navy (Eisenhower being the last Army man). Of course, our current pretender was in the Air National Guard.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Peace
Date: 22 May 04 - 05:17 PM

Hey, my votes registered. Voted twice today. Will try a third time in an hour or so. YES! Fillmore for--uh, what's he running for? Anyway, Fillmore for that!

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 22 May 04 - 06:36 PM

good boy brucie.

By the way - If Kerry is elected, he will be the first Army vet since Eisenhower. And one of only two or three that started out as a low-level vounteer.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 22 May 04 - 06:44 PM

I just put him up to 800. I have an alarm clock that goes off every 15 minutes when I'm on-line (and that's how I do a lot of work) When the alarm goes off - I vote.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: catspaw49
Date: 22 May 04 - 08:31 PM

just voted

803

spaw

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 22 May 04 - 09:41 PM

808

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: catspaw49
Date: 22 May 04 - 09:41 PM

806

Only 16 behind Ike!!!

VOTE FOR MILLARD NOW!!!

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 22 May 04 - 10:06 PM

814

Funny Spaw - I posted a few seconds before you and had seen two more votes.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: catspaw49
Date: 22 May 04 - 10:12 PM

816 now BC..... I got 'em votin' over at the SPEED site too.....We're going over tonite!!!

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: catspaw49
Date: 22 May 04 - 10:37 PM

I just cast vote #822!!!! The next puts us over!!

THANKS BC and ALL!!!!!!!!!!

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: catspaw49
Date: 22 May 04 - 11:04 PM

Millard Fillmore is now 12th in the voting!!!! 826 to Ike's 822.

Thank you to everyone for the support. Keep voting when you can! It's great to see the name of a virtual unknown up at the top and amongst some of the best known/more recent Presidents!! And once again, we have pulled off a totally ludicrous venture for no good reason but to have some fun!!!

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: katlaughing
Date: 22 May 04 - 11:09 PM

Oops! I did it again!

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 22 May 04 - 11:42 PM

Kat - that's the nicest association with Britney spears I've ever heard.

Theodore Roosevelt         514         683         767         1964
George H.W. Bush         311         528         440         1279
Millard Fillmore         555         148         125         828
Dwight Eisenhower         93         345         384         822


451 to go to pass Bush - goodness knows if he deserves to pass Ike, he certainly should pass Bush!

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Ron Davies
Date: 23 May 04 - 01:02 AM

Fugitive Slave Law was law in large part because Fillmore pushed hard for it himself, in order to try to satisfy the South. Obviously it's a matter of perspective--as a black, how would you have felt about it?   Also, Dred Scott decision was not under Fillmore.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 23 May 04 - 01:23 AM

At his time in history, being anti-slavery was not very common in the U.S. As I stated before, even though many Unitarians were abolitionists (such as Robert Shaws family - the Broderick charachter in Glory) the majority of them wer in New England, not our on the "frontier" in Buffalo.

Most people didn't bother to think to much about the issue until the war pushed it down their throats unless they were in one of the border states.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 23 May 04 - 03:47 PM

Let's not stop voting now! If 40 of us vote 10 more times we'll pass the next president.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Peace
Date: 23 May 04 - 04:07 PM

436 to pass the next guy.

I just did my duty again.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Peace
Date: 23 May 04 - 05:56 PM

And again. Three for Willard and one for his wife. Was 445 when I checked.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 23 May 04 - 06:46 PM

George H.W. Bush         311         528         440         1279
Millard Fillmore         571         150         126         847

432 left

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Hrothgar
Date: 24 May 04 - 06:23 AM

I'm starting to think there is something sick about this - Fillmore has more No 1 votes than Lincoln, Franklin D Roosevelt, and John Adams.

And when are you lot going to see sense and vote for Frances Cleveland?

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: jeffp
Date: 24 May 04 - 09:51 AM

This is really being an awful lot of fun! Nice to see so many people playing. I just keep a window open on the site and vote when I remember to.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST
Date: 24 May 04 - 10:52 AM

I'm trying to get Andrew Johnson above Bush -

the House voted eleven articles of impeachment against him[Johnson]. He was tried by the Senate in the spring of 1868 and acquitted by one vote

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST,MMario
Date: 24 May 04 - 11:20 AM

Hrothgar - please note Frances has moved up two slots this morning.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 24 May 04 - 11:34 AM

The way I look at it is this - ifrst of all who cares (though them coming out with a Fillmore doll would be really funny. I'd probably buy one just to remember this whole thing). And on top of that there are some really bad presidents who deserve to be at the bottom of the list. Our current pretender is fairly low on the list, but I'd like to see him on the bottom, so I'm voting for J. Q. Addams to pass him. And frankly, it's sad that Reagan is #2 (but thanks to some of us he's not #1 any more). And I'm voting for Washingtom to pass him.

Once both those things happen I'll start voting for others, too.

I'm pretty laid back about this, but I'm slowly trying to reorder the list to the way I think it should be.

Now go out and vote damn you!

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST,MMario
Date: 24 May 04 - 02:41 PM

A few vote counts - since thins is an election year we might as well get used to hearing them repeatedly...

George Washington needs 106 votes to pass Reagan and clinch the number two spot.

Fillmore is 369 voites out of the number 11 spot - which would bump George H. Bush to 12th.

Dubya is currenlty only 9 votes ahead of John Quincy Adams - and Andrew Johnson is only another 21 behind Adams

Polk, Wilson and Hoover are all within shouting distance of Gerald Ford.

James Buchanan is dead last.

In the First Lady popularity constest Frances Cleveland has moved up several spots recently though still 2137 votes out of first place and 1038 out of placing in the top five.

No results yet posted in the First Pet catagory - though it is rumoured 'socks' is winning by a landslide.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 24 May 04 - 08:56 PM

Gotta vote for cats around here.

Here's some of the standing for those of you are more visually inclined.

William J. Clinton         3394         508         660         4562
Ronald Reagan                2637         1215         698         4550
George Washington         1496         1549         1413         4458

George H.W. Bush         312         528         441         1281
Millard Fillmore         617         182         130         929

George W. Bush         187         90         67         344
John Quincy Adams         53         128         156         337
Andrew Johnson                50         207         65         322
James Madison                34         95         145         274

Gerald Ford         34         80         127         241
James Polk         63         83         87         233


For those of you curious about Polk:

James K. Polk

Often referred to as the first "dark horse" President, James K. Polk was the last of the Jacksonians to sit in the White House, and the last strong President until the Civil War.

He was born in Mecklenburg County, North Carolina, in 1795. Studious and industrious, Polk was graduated with honors in 1818 from the University of North Carolina. As a young lawyer he entered politics, served in the Tennessee legislature, and became a friend of Andrew Jackson.

In the House of Representatives, Polk was a chief lieutenant of Jackson in his Bank war. He served as Speaker between 1835 and 1839, leaving to become Governor of Tennessee.

Until circumstances raised Polk's ambitions, he was a leading contender for the Democratic nomination for Vice President in 1844. Both Martin Van Buren, who had been expected to win the Democratic nomination for President, and Henry Clay, who was to be the Whig nominee, tried to take the expansionist issue out of the campaign by declaring themselves opposed to the annexation of Texas. Polk, however, publicly asserted that Texas should be "re-annexed" and all of Oregon "re-occupied."

The aged Jackson, correctly sensing that the people favored expansion, urged the choice of a candidate committed to the Nation's "Manifest Destiny." This view prevailed at the Democratic Convention, where Polk was nominated on the ninth ballot.

"Who is James K. Polk?" Whigs jeered. Democrats replied Polk was the candidate who stood for expansion. He linked the Texas issue, popular in the South, with the Oregon question, attractive to the North. Polk also favored acquiring California.

Even before he could take office, Congress passed a joint resolution offering annexation to Texas. In so doing they bequeathed Polk the possibility of war with Mexico, which soon severed diplomatic relations.

In his stand on Oregon, the President seemed to be risking war with Great Britain also. The 1844 Democratic platform claimed the entire Oregon area, from the California boundary northward to a latitude of 54'40', the southern boundary of Russian Alaska. Extremists proclaimed "Fifty-four forty or fight," but Polk, aware of diplomatic realities, knew that no course short of war was likely to get all of Oregon. Happily, neither he nor the British wanted a war.

He offered to settle by extending the Canadian boundary, along the 49th parallel, from the Rockies to the Pacific. When the British minister declined, Polk reasserted the American claim to the entire area. Finally, the British settled for the 49th parallel, except for the southern tip of Vancouver Island. The treaty was signed in 1846.

Acquisition of California proved far more difficult. Polk sent an envoy to offer Mexico up to $20,000,000, plus settlement of damage claims owed to Americans, in return for California and the New Mexico country. Since no Mexican leader could cede half his country and still stay in power, Polk's envoy was not received. To bring pressure, Polk sent Gen. Zachary Taylor to the disputed area on the Rio Grande.

To Mexican troops this was aggression, and they attacked Taylor's forces.

Congress declared war and, despite much Northern opposition, supported the military operations. American forces won repeated victories and occupied Mexico City. Finally, in 1848, Mexico ceded New Mexico and California in return for $15,000,000 and American assumption of the damage claims.

President Polk added a vast area to the United States, but its acquisition precipitated a bitter quarrel between the North and the South over expansion of slavery.

Polk, leaving office with his health undermined from hard work, died in June 1849.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST
Date: 25 May 04 - 09:14 AM

Don't stop voting for Millard - but only 98 votes will put George Washington in the #1 spot.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 25 May 04 - 09:19 AM

I'm doing that. Gonna put J Q Adams over Bush with my next vote. Then I'll focus on Polk too.

It'll be Washington, Fillmore and Polk.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 25 May 04 - 09:28 AM

Lyndon Johnson         131         108         165         404
John Quincy Adams         55         130         160         345
George W. Bush                187         90         67         344
Andrew Johnson                54         207         65         326
James Madison                34         95         146         275
Gerald Ford                34         81         127         242
James Polk                65         83         91         239


YES!

Oh - and why am I voting for Frances Cleveland? She's not the one with the kazoos, so...

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST,MMario
Date: 25 May 04 - 09:38 AM

Though I started voting for Frances due to Hrothgar's influence - she is actually a pretty good choice for top "First Lady"

She was born in Buffalo, New York, only child of Emma C. Harmon and Oscar Folsom--who became a law partner of Cleveland's. As a devoted family friend Cleveland bought "Frank" her first baby carriage. As administrator of the Folsom estate after his partner's death, though never her legal guardian, he guided her education with sound advice. When she entered Wells College, he asked Mrs. Folsom's permission to correspond with her, and he kept her room bright with flowers. Though Frank and her mother missed his inauguration in 1885, they visited him at the White House that spring. There affection turned into romance--despite 27 years' difference in age--and there the wedding took place on June 2, 1886.

Cleveland's scholarly sister (Rose Elizabeth Cleveland) her bachelor brother's hostess in 15 months of his first term of office gladly gave up the duties of hostess for her own career in education; and with a bride as First Lady, state entertainments took on a new interest. Mrs. Cleveland's unaffected charm won her immediate popularity. She held two receptions a week--one on Saturday afternoons, when women with jobs were free to come.

After the President's defeat in 1888, the Clevelands lived in New York City, where baby Ruth was born. With his unprecedented re-election, the First Lady returned to the White House as if she had been gone but a day. Through the political storms of this term she always kept her place in public favor. People took keen interest in the birth of Esther at the mansion in 1893, and of Marion in 1895. When the family left the White House, Mrs. Cleveland had become one of the most popular women ever to serve as hostess for the nation

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST
Date: 25 May 04 - 10:37 AM

Polk pulverizes Ford!

Quincy bests Dubya!

and the Charming young Mrs. Cleveland continues to gain in popularity.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST,Scutwerker
Date: 25 May 04 - 11:33 AM

Fillmore had nothing to do with the Dred Scott decision. The Supreme court is independent of the President. The only way a President influences the Surpeme court is their role in nominating judges to fill vacancies. The Dred Scott decision interpreted the Constitution to allow an act like the Fugitive Slave law to be enacted.

Yes, Millard Fillmore carved a political career out of the petty fears and predjudices of his time. his first association was with the Anti-Masonic party, and his only run for the White House was with the American/Know Nothing party, who were pretty much against immigrants and Catholics.

In the light of today's attitudes about race, gender and ethnicity, few eighteenth or nineteenth century men stand up to close scrutiny. Even Mr Lincoln was a believer in the white supemist theories of his day. He just ddn't believe that theory supported the institutution of slavery.

James K. Polk was the hand-picked protege of Andrew Jackson to recapture the White House from the Whigs. Those Whigs had used Jackson's "log cabin" and "hard cider" approach to toss out Martin Van Buren, Jackson's previous protege, in favor of the ill-fated William Henry Harrison.

Polk used jingoistic expansionism concepts like, "Manifest Destiny" and "Fifty-four Forty or Fight" as the slogans to sweep himself into the White House. Britain compromised with Polk's territorial demands and we got Oregon.

Mexico did not capitulate, so we declared war on Mexico and took Texas and California as our prize. The Mexican war was not nation building. It was a land grab, which happened to make Texas safe for slaveowners.

Mexico had already prohibited slavery.

As our standards continue to change, many of our heroes lose their luster. We can choose to honor our past, or live in growing shame of our common heritage.

God bless Millard Fillmore, his friends, and his foes. They, like us were men of their times.

Some future standard will find us all lacking.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST
Date: 25 May 04 - 12:33 PM

WHO THE BLEEDIN''ELL IS VOTIN" FOR DUBYA!!!!

please stop.

please.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 25 May 04 - 01:49 PM

I doubt that it was anyone here - but Johnson would be past him if those 2 votes hadn't shown up.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Little Hawk
Date: 25 May 04 - 04:00 PM

Millard Fillmore now has 1005 votes and is nipping at George H.W. Bush's heels.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST
Date: 25 May 04 - 04:24 PM

A summary of todays events in this great political race:

Frances Cleveland continues to gain popularity - Polk has surpassed Ford - George Washington continues to gain on Ronald Reagan and Clinton.

Jame Buchanan continues in last place.

Still no reults in on the pet popularity contest - a rumour has it the silkworms of John Quincy Adams will be pooling their votes for a landslide sweep of the polls.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 25 May 04 - 05:03 PM

Jefferson had silkworms too, right? Do I remember correctly that he brought them over from France or was that Adams?

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 25 May 04 - 05:18 PM

I was going to give you a rundown of presidential pets but better still visit the site:

The Presidential Pet Museum

White House pet listings


By the way - from the site: Fillmore was a founding member and president of the Buffalo chapter of the American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 26 May 04 - 12:15 AM

Name                        First         Second Third         Total
William J. Clinton         3395         508         661         4564
Ronald Reagan                2637         1216         699         4552
George Washington         1513         1568         1441         4522

Thirty votes away!

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST
Date: 26 May 04 - 10:01 AM

In the voting action this am George washington stood at 4528 - 36 votes from the top position -

Millard Fillmore was at 1040 - 143 votes behind Bush Sr.

Frances Clevland is in the #20 spot - two up from previous standings.


In action this morning Washington has closed to withn 25 votes of the top position - Fillmore has picked up 13 votes - and Frances continues to climb.

Buchanan is still in dead last - but gaining on his closest rival.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST,Blackcatter at work
Date: 26 May 04 - 10:43 AM

God I hate working in the morning . . .

I've been voting back and forth occasionally for those at the bottom of the list. So they've been gaining votes. I'd like to eventually see them all above the current pretender, though that will take some work.

I've been voting for Fillmore, Washingto and smetimes Madison or whoever is at the bottom of the list.

And of course, Frances

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: katlaughing
Date: 26 May 04 - 10:46 AM

BC- Britney who?**bg**

I did it, again.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Amos
Date: 26 May 04 - 11:09 AM

George H.W. Bush 313 528 442 1283
Millard Fillmore 677 237 146 1060


And he's ahead of Dwight David Eisenhower, of all things. Spaw, look what you've accomplished!!

A

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: catspaw49
Date: 26 May 04 - 12:08 PM

Hey......All I was after was to get Millard up there with the big guys, but this is incredible!!!

All praise here to everyone who continues to vote as I do, but the "Point Man" on this has become Blackcatter who continues to do an fantastic job!!!

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST,MMario
Date: 26 May 04 - 12:12 PM

Just think in the future they might do a documentary on this - I can see it now...

In the early years of the twenty-first century - a slightly eccentric man decided to encourage his fellows to vote for the Presidential Action figure most desired. And he called these fellows the "Iron Voters"...

whoops! - wrong flashback...

anyway - by my calculations with just a hair over 1900 votes we could have all 18 candidates currently BELOW Dubya ABOVE Dubya.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 26 May 04 - 12:21 PM

Well thanks Spaw.

It's fun and it's something that fits with my lifestyle. I'm online nearly the entire day from 10am to 2am. I work most afternoons in another office and don't typically use the Internet there and don't vote from there.

I work from home the rest of the day - managing websites, doing research and communicating with people so I'm online nearly all the time. I have a set up which reminds me about every 15 minutes or so to go and vote. Netscape Navigator has tabs so I can go back and forth. I don't vote every 15 minutes because I'm busy working too, but I've been averaging about 15 votes a day.

It's fun - and it's allowed me to learn about the presidents. Plus - just think about it, they may never know that we're doing this and some day they may have a Fillmore doll - all because of us. I sure as heck will buy one!

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 May 04 - 12:31 PM

I have two basic objectives in mind when I vote. One is to put Millard Fillmore as far up the list as he can go, and the other is to put Hillary Clinton in top position (and she's not far off!). This will increase the chances of someone manufacturing a Hillary Inflatable Doll or some other kind of Hillary doll.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Amos
Date: 26 May 04 - 12:33 PM

Little Hawk, of all the inflatable dolls you could command into being, why, oh why, would you want a Hillary Inflatable Doll? Obviosuly not for the usual reasons. So enlighten me...

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Amos
Date: 26 May 04 - 12:33 PM

...and why would you want it in the top position?

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 May 04 - 12:40 PM

Because I want to see her on top of Laura Bush.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST
Date: 26 May 04 - 12:43 PM

George Washington has moved into the #2 slot.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 May 04 - 12:47 PM

#2 is good enough for Washington. Let's keep Bill Clinton in the old number 1 spot, cos he "feels your pain". :-)

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST,MMario
Date: 26 May 04 - 12:56 PM

only if he promises to move out of NYS

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Ellenpoly
Date: 26 May 04 - 12:59 PM

Ah Blackcatter, the more I learn about you, the more I purr!

Keep voting!..xx..e

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 26 May 04 - 01:01 PM

Name         First         Second         Third         Total
William J. Clinton         3396         508         661         4565
George Washington         1524         1578         1454         4556
Ronald Reagan                2637         1216         699         4552
Thomas Jefferson         612         1827         1484         3923
Abraham Lincoln         545         1048         1116         2709
John F. Kennedy         476         977         1050         2503
Richard Nixon                652         814         770         2236
Franklin D. Roosevelt         473         602         1079         2154
Jimmy Carter                292         1178         563         2033
Theodore Roosevelt         516         685         771         1972
George H.W. Bush         313         528         442         1283
Millard Fillmore         691         244         148         1083


L.H> - doubt that you'll have much luck keeping Clinton on top - unless you keep voting for him. I'm going to at least occasionally vote for Jefferson now to get him over Reagan but that's 600+ votes.   Fillmore is only 200 away from Bush.

I got to tie Geroge and Ronald, which was nice.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Amos
Date: 26 May 04 - 01:03 PM

You are SUCH a preevert, Little Hawk!!

A

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 26 May 04 - 01:19 PM

So which president's deserve to be at the bottom of the list?

My choices are:

Reagan
Bush I
Bush II
Nixon
The guy who was alive for only a few months after getting sick on his innaugaration day (who was that?)
Jackson (Big time Florida Indian killer - he's a personal choice)

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST
Date: 26 May 04 - 02:24 PM

Will we allow our disagreements define us?

I nominated Filmore as an apolitical rallying point to unify us in a nonpartisan quest for our choice in a 12" talking Presidential doll.

Only the spirit of our last Whig President can heal our wounds, and bridge our differences!

Keep you eye on the goal. Fillmore for Toy President!

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST
Date: 26 May 04 - 02:28 PM

Mrs. Cleveland has moved up to nineteenth

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Jim McCallan
Date: 26 May 04 - 03:38 PM

George Washington 1527 1586 1457 4570
William J. Clinton 3400 508 661 4569
Ronald Reagan 2637 1216 699 4552
Thomas Jefferson 613 1828 1485 3926
Abraham Lincoln 546 1048 1116 2710
John F. Kennedy 476 977 1050 2503
Richard Nixon 652 814 770 2236
Franklin D. Roosevelt 473 602 1080 2155
Jimmy Carter 293 1178 563 2034
Theodore Roosevelt 516 685 771 1972
George H.W. Bush 313 529 442 1284
Millard Fillmore 714 251 149 1114

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Peace
Date: 26 May 04 - 04:00 PM

Re Little Hawk being a preevert: YEAH! We had over 843 used inflatable dolls sent to his place in Ontario. He was gonna clean 'em up and forward some to a certain friend in Alberta. Has that friend seen any? Nooooo. Has that certain friend seen the goat? Nooooo.
Aarrrgggghhhhh.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Peace
Date: 26 May 04 - 04:18 PM

Hey, LH--I will help you get Hillary elected if the doll can spend summer vacations in Alberta.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 26 May 04 - 05:18 PM

Hillary is on top, but Bill isn't.

Kind how their lives are right now.

I'm curently voting for:

Fillmore (of course)

Jefferson (much of the time to pass Reagan)

Madison (to pass Bush)

and anyone on the bottom - though not sure of McKinley - he wasn't much of a president.

I'll keep voting for Frances Cleveland too - just for the heck of it, but I helped Hillary get on top.

Send me one of them blow-up Hillarys too. Thought have you all seen those "Real Dolls" (google that - a love doll for $5,000).

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Peace
Date: 27 May 04 - 12:19 AM

I vote Fillmore for first, Fillmore for second and Fillmore for third. In fact, I'm about to go do just that.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 27 May 04 - 01:06 AM

Brucie - have you missed the info? You can only vote for him in either 1st, 2nd or 3rd. Otherwise your vote doesn't count.

That's why we've been talking about others to vote for as well.

take care,

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Hrothgar
Date: 27 May 04 - 06:22 AM

I am glad that I have managed to convince so many of you the worth of Mrs Cleveland. She is now 15th. Thank you.

Only woman to marry a current president, if I remember correctly.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 27 May 04 - 07:13 AM

"Hillary is on top, but Bill isn't." ...hmmmmm...

I tried to write in Mickey Mouse, but they wouldn't take that...

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST
Date: 27 May 04 - 08:07 AM

Frances was the first First Lady to give birth during "her" term as well.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST,MMario
Date: 27 May 04 - 11:22 AM

BTW - how about a write-in campaign for Hiedi - the Presidential Wieneramer (did I spell that correctly?)

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Ellenpoly
Date: 27 May 04 - 12:08 PM

As to who should be at the bottom, Blackcatter, at least Jackson had the grace to die quickly.

My vote for Below Bottom...is definitely Bush the Younger.

..xx..e

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 27 May 04 - 12:24 PM

UPDATE:


TOP TIER:
George Washington         1535         1594         1461         4590
William J. Clinton         3405         508         661         4574
Ronald Reagan                2640         1216         699         4555
Thomas Jefferson         617         1841         1489         3947

Jefferson is slowly moving up.

THE FILLMORE WATCH:
Theodore Roosevelt         517         685         771         1973
George H.W. Bush         313         530         442         1285
Millard Fillmore         774         266         166         1206

79 to go!

THE FALL OF BUSH II:
George W. Bush         187         94         68         349
James Madison                39         107         160         306

Madison is coming close.

THE BOTTOM:
Chester Arthur         42         53         93         188
Grover Cleveland         23         60         98         181
John Tyler                24         87         63         174
James Garfield                27         37         101         165
Warren Harding                36         50         67         153
Rutherford B. Hayes         25         62         65         152
Franklin Pierce         17         64         71         152
Benjamin Harrison         9         31         112         152
James Buchanan                28         50         73         151
William McKinley         10         59         82         151

Truly, most of these guys are unremarkable, but hey - SOME of them must have been better that our current pretender.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Metchosin
Date: 27 May 04 - 12:34 PM

I keep plugging away for poor old Eleanore, she may have been homely, but at least she had a brain.

Tell us how you manage that brucie, I haven't been able to put old Fillmore in more than one slot since this thread started.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 27 May 04 - 12:37 PM

Brucie isn't getting any results, unless he's figured a way to confuse their computer.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST,Scutwerker
Date: 27 May 04 - 01:56 PM

I've made a gif to inpire the Fillmor vote at the Speed boards.

View it here--
America's Last Big Whig

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST
Date: 27 May 04 - 03:39 PM

The Dozen:

1)George Washington    1535 1594 1462 4591
2)William J. Clinton    3405 508 661 4574
3)Ronald Reagan         2642 1216 699 4557
4)Thomas Jefferson       618 1845 1490 3953
5)Abraham Lincoln       546 1049 1122 2717
6)John F. Kennedy       476 977 1050 2503
7)Richard Nixon          652 814 771 2237
8)Franklin D. Roosevelt 477 603 1082 2162
9)Jimmy Carter          294 1179 563 2036
10)Theodore Roosevelt    517 685 771 1973
11)George H.W. Bush       313 530 442 1285
12)Millard Fillmore       800 268 168 1236

please note - less then 50 votes to put Millard above George to Elder.


the "middle class"

George W. Bush 187 94 68 349
James Madison    41 120 165 326


The pits:

James Garfield 27 38 102 167

Warren Harding 36 50 70 156
Rutherford B. Hayes 25 62 69 156
Franklin Pierce 17 65 74 156
William McKinley 11 61 84 156
Benjamin Harrison 9 31 116 156

James Buchanan 28 51 76 155

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Irish sergeant
Date: 27 May 04 - 04:38 PM

Blackcatter:
   Hate to correct you but John Kerry is a veteran of the navy he was a lieutenant on a riverine gunboat during the Vietnam war. Eisenhower served in WWI, Taylor served in the War of 1812 and the Semonole Indian war and Grant was a Company Commander in the 4th United States infantry in the Mexican War. Kindest regards Neil (your friendly neighborhood Irish sergeant)

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Little Hawk
Date: 27 May 04 - 05:36 PM

That's right humble of you, Irish...most of us just LOVE correcting people! :-)

Man, those Real Dolls are...um...well, it's amazing what lonely people will spend $5,000 on, isn't it? She's stacked, she's packed, and she never talks back! Every redneck's dream. But kin she cook yer dinner and wash yer socks? Ah think not. Hmmm...way-ull, ah think she's still worth thet fahv thayausand big ones! Yup. Gonna git me one of them Real Dolls soon's I cash in all them Coors returnable bottles ah got ayaout theyer in th' bayack sheyed...

I note that they do not have one that looks like Margaret Thatcher.

Bruce, I think the goat has gone AWOL. Too bad.

Now that Hillary is in first place I have high hopes of getting an anatomically correct Hillary action figure by next Christmas.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 27 May 04 - 05:59 PM

You're right Irish S. - Shows you how much I pay attention to the Kerry ads and all. Interesting isn't it that we've have Navy men all in a row? Especially since the Navy dates from the revolution, yet no Navy vet made it to the presidenwcy until the 1960s.

As for the rest - thanks - I was mostly going for the service experience that gave them their highest rank.

I didn't know until I did the research that Lincoln served in the military. I love learning new things.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 27 May 04 - 06:34 PM

Do you all realize that Fillmore is ranked #4 in first place votes? And I've been voting for him in the 2nd or 3rd spot for quite a while now to sort of even it out (and hopefully make the company think that he has a broad level of supportamong hundreds of people - not just a few freaks).

And Vote for Madison he's close to passing "our current pretender."

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: catspaw49
Date: 27 May 04 - 06:53 PM

Only 25 votes to put Millard up another notch!!!

WE CAN DO IT TONITE!!!!

The folks over on the SPEED Boards are going great guns on this too and between the two groups, Millard never had it so good!!!

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Peace
Date: 27 May 04 - 07:17 PM

OK, so I finally read the directions and that is why my last 39 votes for Fillmore haven't counted. So you gals know, I am a real guy.

I am now going to vote for Fillmore and two other non-contenders.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Peace
Date: 27 May 04 - 07:21 PM

24 votes to pass Bush. YES.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 27 May 04 - 07:50 PM

Gerald Ford         34         82         129         245
James Monroe         18         58         151         227
Herbert Hoover         86         62         78         226

Monroe just passed Hoover (never liked that guy - I still call it the Boulder Dam).

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: catspaw49
Date: 27 May 04 - 08:18 PM

Jimmy Carter 294 1179 563 2036
Theodore Roosevelt 517 685 771 1973
George H.W. Bush 313 530 442 1285
Millard Fillmore 820 269 176 1265

There it is folks!! Millard only 20 votes behind and we will go over tonight!!! C'mon.....Just a few more votes will do it!!

AND THEN IT'S TIME TO GIVE OL' SPAW A BIRTHDAY PRESENT!!!!

That's right!!! I ain't shy and I'm asking for my birthday present now!!! On June 8th I will be hitting the "Double Nickel" and I can think of nothing better than to put Millard ahead of Teddy Roosevelt. Or...Dare I say it? Even the Peanut Farmer as well???? How about it?

PLEASE?!?!?!?!?!?!?

....gimmee..gimmee..gimmee..gimmee....

Spaw
_________________

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Peace
Date: 27 May 04 - 08:23 PM

Spaw, thanks for sayin' that. I will eats food that leads to the condition referred to in polite company as 'flatulence'. I will do my best to rip one in your honour on June 8. I hope to have nothin' left of my shorts but the elastic band.

I just voted for him again. He was at 1268 a minute ago.

Bruce M

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: pdq
Date: 27 May 04 - 08:24 PM

I voted for Mamie Van Doren for first lady.

Also nominated her for first choice in inflateable doll category.

Damn, ain't democracy grand!

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Irish sergeant
Date: 27 May 04 - 08:33 PM

Yeah but will they have an anotomically correct monica lewinski doll? Irish sergeant

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 27 May 04 - 08:34 PM

15 to go. 688 more to pass Teddy Roosevelt - who was an f-in' liar concerning the Spanish American War anyhow (though American's first conservationist president).

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Little Hawk
Date: 27 May 04 - 08:38 PM

They ALL lied about that one! It was equivalent to rolling an old drunk with his pockets full of valuable possessions (like Cuba, the Phillipines, Puerto Rico, etc...). Spain had no chance whatsoever in that war of national convenience. America even had "Butcher Wyler"...the Saddam of his day...with which to infuriate the righteous masses stateside. (He was the commanding Spanish general in Cuba, known for his ruthless counter-insurgencey efforts against the Cuban rebels...who were slowly winning anyway.)

Okay, I'm off to vote again for Millard!

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Peace
Date: 27 May 04 - 09:10 PM

I voted again. I love this.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Little Hawk
Date: 27 May 04 - 09:25 PM

Fillmore has only 9 more votes to go to knock off Bush the Elder! Scrub the Shrub!!! And his dad too!

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: catspaw49
Date: 27 May 04 - 09:56 PM

Only 3 to go to pass Mr. Wimpy!! Then a charge up the hill after Teddy!!!

I want Teddy for my birthday......and Jimmy too!!!

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 27 May 04 - 10:00 PM

I tied them - sumbuddy vote damn you!

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Little Hawk
Date: 27 May 04 - 10:01 PM

YEAHHHHHH!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 27 May 04 - 10:14 PM

I put him past too.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Little Hawk
Date: 27 May 04 - 10:19 PM

Well, folks, it's a hell of a long haul to catch Teddy Roosevelt. I say we take a well-earned rest and give serious thought as to whether or not to continue in this noble effort.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 27 May 04 - 10:29 PM

Sounds good L.H. - I'll just keep voting in the meantime.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: catspaw49
Date: 27 May 04 - 10:40 PM

HEY!!! UP YOURS HAWKSTER!!!!

I WANT TEDDY AND JIMMY FOR MY BIRTHDAY...JUNE 8!!!

C'mon now Gang, just a little more and Millard is in the TOP TEN!!!

We've come this far, only one position to go!!!!

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Little Hawk
Date: 27 May 04 - 10:55 PM

Why flirt with me when you've still got the weimaraners?

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: catspaw49
Date: 27 May 04 - 11:33 PM

I was hoping you could learn something from them, that's why!!

As they are blessed with both brains and beauty along with monstrous amounts of genetically acquired talent, they might serve as a guiding light in your so far disastrous attempts at self improvement You are zero for three so I was hoping my hounds might be a good influence on you.

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 27 May 04 - 11:44 PM

y'all could be voting instead of flirting . . .

I've voted 24 times so far today (I have at least 5 more votes in me today)

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST,MMario
Date: 28 May 04 - 09:55 AM

heck - a measly 645 votes in the next 8 days? If we can't do that we aren't worth the flame off a stale fart!

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Ellenpoly
Date: 28 May 04 - 10:24 AM

I can vote and flirt at the same time...does that make me ambisextrious?..xx..e

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 28 May 04 - 11:20 AM

Just keep going Ellen!

yowza!

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 May 04 - 01:20 PM

Whaddya mean, I'm "zero for three", Spaw? That's grossly untrue. I am more like 4 or 5 for 896 at this point. I am not the kind to give up after merely 3 attempts.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: catspaw49
Date: 28 May 04 - 01:30 PM

Just about 600 fo put Millie in the Top Ten!!

VOTE AGAIN and AGAIN.......and know that every vote is a vote for complete insanity!

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: catspaw49
Date: 28 May 04 - 08:44 PM

Millard has 1412 votes!!! he picked up over 50 today but we can do even better than that!!

VOTE NOW AND VOTE OFTEN

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 28 May 04 - 10:29 PM

I'm still voting - and I'm voting HURT!

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 28 May 04 - 11:51 PM

Theodore Roosevelt         517         686         786         1989
Millard Fillmore         918         296         215         1429

560 left

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Jim McCallan
Date: 29 May 04 - 12:48 AM

He's in 11th place...

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 29 May 04 - 12:53 PM

Here's some voting suggestions:

Richard Nixon                659         834         774         2267
Franklin D. Roosevelt         495         610         1088         2193

Put FDR over Nixon!


Theodore Roosevelt         517         686         787         1990
Millard Fillmore         925         296         220         1441

The obvious one! Only 550 to go to pass Teddy.


George W. Bush         190         95         69         354
James Polk                  74         117         107         298

I don't care for Polk (although there's a fine county in Florida named after him), but let's put him pass Dumbya.

Gerald Ford         34         84         131         249
Herbert Hoover         86         62         81         229
Chester Arthur         43         67         107         217

And vote for Arthur - soon to pass Hoover And not that Ford was all that bad, but he pardoned Nixon!

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 29 May 04 - 10:56 PM

Come on - Only 33 votes in 10 hours? Hell more than half of them were by me!

VOTE!

Theodore Roosevelt         517         686         795         1998
Millard Fillmore         929         302         243         1474

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: catspaw49
Date: 29 May 04 - 11:03 PM

I've voted at least 8 or 9 times today....just did again.......Maybe if we can keep this alive til after the holiday, we'll get some more folks around.

The SPEED people are pretty quiet now because it's a big racing weekend. Maybe after that I can get them going again as well.

Hang in BC.....We can do this!!

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 29 May 04 - 11:31 PM

We'll I'm gearing up for tomorrow as well. I haven't had my regular NASCAR fix since the week before Mom's day.

I'll probalby watch part of the Indy 500, but I won't get home from church till well after it's started.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 29 May 04 - 11:49 PM

Who in the hell is voting for Teddy?

Spaw if that continues, I can't promiseyou you're birthday present.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: catspaw49
Date: 30 May 04 - 12:33 AM

I just saw that as well BC. Not good at all.....

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 30 May 04 - 05:03 PM

Vote!

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Peace
Date: 30 May 04 - 05:45 PM

I have been voting for Fillard Willmore, too. At least 16 times in the past 36 hours. Click the mouse next time you guys. Or Spaw will be heartbroken on his special day, June 8.

When the going gets tough, the tough cheat. Anyone know how?

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST
Date: 30 May 04 - 05:48 PM

They tell the electorate things they think they want to hear

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 May 04 - 06:44 PM

Exactly. That is the political method. They also tell them really negative stuff about the opposing candidates, and they usually promise to lower your taxes or at least not raise them. Ha! How can a society that is overloading the natural environment and enlarging its greedy grasp on reality with every fiscal year and growing LARGER all the time POSSIBLY cut taxes?

Answer: It can't. One way or another the cost of such a society keeps going up. I refuse to vote for anyone who promises to cut my taxes, because I know a blatant lie when I hear it. They'll cut in one place, raise in another. They'll privatize public services, and those services will go to the private sector which will then do a worse job and charge you more for it. Lots more! After all, they want to make a profit, don't they? Duh. Where is their profit going to come from? From you, sucker!

The way to get ahead in life financially is to cut your own frivolous personal spending...but that would require a little restraint and maturity, wouldn't it? Naw...people would rather vote for some liar who says he's going to lower their taxes than be realistic themselves and lower their own spending.

A vote for Fillard Millmore will do nothing to alter any of the above, but it will certainly confuse the toy company... :-)

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Peace
Date: 30 May 04 - 07:20 PM

A vote for Fillmore is a vote for . . . Willmore. It doesn't get ANY CLEARER than that. We could be altering the course of world history . . . .

The year is 2048. The world is a shattered ruin. Liebowitz finds a doll. It is . . . YES, you guessed it, Millard Fillmore. Enscribed on the doll is a small plaque that reads, "Most popular President of the United States of America."

In the corner is a malodorous fellow who contents himself watching reruns of Nascar programs. He is alone, because no one wants to sit near him. He has a lower sphincter that no longer operates as a one-way valve. It is the sound of air rushing in followed by the squealing of air rushing out that drives folks away from him. He is a man with no name. History, in its manner, has forgotten that he led the campaign to have Fillmore achieve greatness. All folks knew was that June 8 held a special place in his heart.

Yeah. This whole thing that started as the sick suggestion of a guy who has a tenuous grasp on sanity could very well change the course of human events.

I can't believe I just wrote this shit. Nor can I believe I am posting it. Here's to Dillard Millfore, President par excellence.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 30 May 04 - 07:29 PM

Who needs NASCAR reruns? We've hoy 224 laps to go right now and Jimmy Johnsons leading the way.

Hee yah!

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 May 04 - 08:01 PM

Dillwood Millfore is definitely a name that will not be forgotten. I find it interesting to note that George W. Bush is surprisingly low in the standings, given the fact that he IS the current president of the Empire.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 30 May 04 - 08:27 PM

We've got a bit of a problems at the moment folks:

Theodore Roosevelt         527         695         810         2032
Millard Fillmore         942         309         261         1512


Last time I listed it was:

Roosevelt: 1998
Fillmore: 1474


Checking the numbers, we've only put Fillmore 4 votes closer to Teddy overall. That's basically 34 votes that didn't count. A pretty crappy result. Maybe people are doing it as a joke - I dunno, I dunno.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST,Totally Disgusted!!!
Date: 30 May 04 - 09:34 PM

You are going to pay BIGTIME for starting this ridiculous promotion of Millard FUCKING Fillmore! Don't you know you're committing massive voting fraud? I guess you think if Bush can do it you can do it, right? Well you've got another think coming.

I am TOTALLY DISGUSTED!!!!!!!!!!

I am going to stop you people. ANYBODY BUT FILLMORE!

Vote ABF! Do it now. Stop Millard the Dillard in his sorry tracks and save America! (p.s. Vote strategically. A vote for anyone who is above Fillmore in the standings will do, but a vote for Teddy Roosevelt is particulary timely.)

I am TOTALLY DISGUSTED!!!!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 31 May 04 - 11:35 AM

Reagan Nazis have discovered the voting and put him back on top.

Fillmore is loosing ground, but he's still solidly ahead of G H W Bush.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Little Hawk
Date: 31 May 04 - 05:54 PM

Oddly enough, George Washington and Ronald Reagan have been duking it out for top spot. My feeling is that Washington could've swept Reagan from the field any day, specially given the fact that he had a lot more battlefield experience and could remember what day of the week it was without the teleprompter...

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Peace
Date: 31 May 04 - 06:40 PM

Dear Totally Disgusted:

I am a man of honour. I have promised Spaw that I would try to make his birthday wish become a reality. That's the way it is--unless you are talkin' bucks. In which case, message me. NO cheques. Cash only!

One who believes in the free enterprise system.

Billy "Diebold", the Third.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Little Hawk
Date: 31 May 04 - 07:05 PM

Spoken like a true American! :-) Bill the Butcher would be proud of you, Bruce...which reminds me, he should go on my "Bill" thread.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Jun 04 - 08:32 AM

refresh.

Theodore Roosevelt   635 700 821 2156
Jimmy Carter         300 1191 574 2065
Millard Fillmore    1026 334 282 1642

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Jun 04 - 08:30 AM

Frances has made it into the top 10 - 86 votes needed to push her to number nine.

346 votes needed for Millard to move up a slot.

44 votes needed to move monroe past Bush.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Jun 04 - 02:16 PM

there's an 8-way race going on for last place.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST,MMario
Date: 03 Jun 04 - 04:18 PM

Nice to see that Frances Cleveland has picked up 50 votes in the last day -

Here's the top section:
George Washington   1600 1779 1501 4880
Ronald Reagan       2716 1259 870 4845
William J. Clinton 3501 537 702 4740


the High middle section:

Jimmy Carter      302 1194 576 2072
Millard Fillmore 1154 355 286 1795
George H.W. Bush 321 535 448 1304

The low middle section:


James Monroe    41 142 177 360
George W. Bush 191 97 69 357
Woodrow Wilson 47 131 106 284


And the basement boys -

James Buchanan 204
James Garfield William McKinley Benjamin Harrison 202
Grover Cleveland Franklin Pierce 201
Warren Harding Rutherford B. Hayes 200

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Jun 04 - 09:13 AM

currenlty Millard needs 244 votes to move up one slot, 396 to move up two.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Jun 04 - 10:05 AM

correction 416 votes to pass Teddy

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 04 Jun 04 - 10:30 AM

And we've only got to the 6th, I beleive to give Spaw his birthday present. . .

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST,Scutwerker
Date: 04 Jun 04 - 10:46 AM

Help! We've got to Fillmore him past that grinning master of malaise from Plains Ga.

Vote now. Spaw's sphincter will more than likely blow out anyway, but at least we can help him blow out his birthday candles with joy.

He's not asking for much, just a vote every half hour.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST,MMario
Date: 04 Jun 04 - 11:13 AM

I'm confidant we can get Millard past Jimmy -
but would like to be able to "give" 'spaw Teddy as well.

it's the eighth that's his b'day.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Jun 04 - 02:44 PM

less then 100 votes needed to pass Jimmy

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: catspaw49
Date: 07 Jun 04 - 05:32 PM

I'm votin'!!!! PUT MILLARD IN 10th PLACE!!!!!

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 07 Jun 04 - 05:45 PM

damn - Reagan's on top again. I guess Washington has to die to get up there. Oh, wait. . .

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Hrothgar
Date: 08 Jun 04 - 05:10 AM

Frances is 9th

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: MMario
Date: 08 Jun 04 - 11:02 AM

I suspect from the way some of the numbers have changed that there are a bunch of "new" visitors to the site

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: MMario
Date: 08 Jun 04 - 11:25 AM

HUzzah for Chester Arthur

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: jeffp
Date: 08 Jun 04 - 02:08 PM

Millard Fillmore has moved into the #10 spot. Happy Birthday Spaw!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Jun 04 - 02:13 PM

in other news....

George Washington   1636 1881 1518 5035
Ronald Reagan       2758 1262 1013 5033


Woodrow Wilson 54 173 141 368
George W. Bush 195 99 72 366
John Tyler      31 163 129 323

Laura Welch Bush               2551
Hilliary Rodham Clinton       2338
Nancy Davis Reagan             1789
Jacqueline Kennedy             1254
Elizabeth Bloomer Ford         1088
Barbara Pierce Bush             618
Martha Washington             593
Frances Folsom Cleveland       582

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: catspaw49
Date: 08 Jun 04 - 03:59 PM

A great day!!!

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Hrothgar
Date: 09 Jun 04 - 04:58 AM

Fran is 7th.

Happy birthday, Spaw.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Jun 04 - 10:20 AM

frances is 6th

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: catspaw49
Date: 09 Jun 04 - 05:32 PM

Millard is moving still and now is NOT the time to slack off!! We can put this great man into 5th place before the month is out with only 550 votes!!! Let's go for the Big Banana!!!!!!!

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: catspaw49
Date: 10 Jun 04 - 04:25 AM

Hey now.....C'mon.....I know it's getting old, but let's not quit on this thing just yet!!!

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: MMario
Date: 10 Jun 04 - 10:16 AM

sorry 'spaw - I'm taking a hiatus for Mystic Music Festival - back on the voting rolls Tuesday - I promise!

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 10 Jun 04 - 11:01 AM

Here's the tally

George Washington         1653         1909         1547         5109
Ronald Reagan                2783         1262         1059         5104

William J. Clinton         3505         545         711         4761
Thomas Jefferson         640         1949         1558         4147
Abraham Lincoln         550         1065         1146         2761

Richard Nixon                860         894         826         2580
John F. Kennedy         482         979         1061         2522

Theodore Roosevelt         746         851         840         2437
Franklin D. Roosevelt         544         652         1120         2316
Millard Fillmore         1521         390         316         2227


I've been voting for Fillmore, Washington and Kennedy. Got to keep Washington on top. I know that voting for Kennedy sort of infringes on Fillmore, but I want both of them on top of Nixon. It shows you just how screwed up some Republicans are - voting for a man who resigned in shame from being president.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: jeffp
Date: 10 Jun 04 - 04:11 PM

I compared the presidents who are still ahead of our boy Millard and found that all but one are currently available or in production. That leaves only FDR as the one to beat to get Fillmore into production. Just think of it! A mere 76 votes will do that! Getting him on top of all of them would be fantastic, but getting him produced will be a victory also.

God, what a lunatic bunch we are! Isn't this fun?

jeffp

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Jun 04 - 09:45 AM

eighth

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Jun 04 - 10:46 AM

look fast - he's at number six!
SEE?

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: el ted
Date: 23 Jun 04 - 10:56 AM

Post no 300. I thank you.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: catspaw49
Date: 24 Jun 04 - 08:52 AM

How about a few more votes????

The group over at SPEED has kept the voting for Millard going and we are now in sixth place....believe it or not!!!!!!

Passing Tricky Dick is now only 50 or so votes away and that puts us waaaaay up there. The next jump becomes pretty big but taking fifth is not too far away. How about a little extra help from here where so many have voted in the past? We'll be passing 300 votes in just a very few votes and that in itself is a milestone. Vote Milly in the 1 spot and your coice for slots 2 and 3. Try to vote for Abby Fillmore for first lady if you would???? C'mon Gang....One more push!!!!

CLICK HERE AND VOTE FOR MILLARD

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Jun 04 - 09:02 AM

And abondon poor Frances?

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Jun 04 - 10:44 AM

someone is a real assh*le - and it ain't tricky dick

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST,MMario
Date: 24 Jun 04 - 02:05 PM

the next step up is a measly 13 hundred and 28 votes. vote early - vote late, vote often!

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: catspaw49
Date: 24 Jun 04 - 02:53 PM

Yeah Mario.....and I was satisfied with 10th or 12th!!! The group over at Speed are wanting to go for at least a podium finish (3rd at least in other words. So I guess I'll keep on voting.......

I do love how ludicrous his name looks up there in 5th!!!!LMAO!!!

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: darkriver
Date: 25 Jun 04 - 01:35 AM

694 votes needed to pass The Great Contaminator, but our boy's on his way to the podium!

Name                First        Second        Third        Total
Reagan                2924        1377        1278        5579
Washington        1751        2008        1620        5379
Clinton                3512        549        714        4775
Jefferson        655        2066        1653        4374
Fillmore        2299        438        351        3088

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Hrothgar
Date: 06 Jul 04 - 06:46 AM

People have stopped voting for my chick, Frances. Very disappointing.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST,MMario
Date: 06 Jul 04 - 08:12 AM

jeez-louise Hrothgar - I'm still voting for her - but it's d*mn hard to cast a ballot from Warwick in 1585!

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: SINSULL
Date: 06 Jul 04 - 05:35 PM

Blackcatterr,
Kennedy and Fillmore on top of Nixon shows how screwed up the republicans are?That picture puts Monica and Bill in the Oval Office to shame.
3 More Votes For Millard!

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: SINSULL
Date: 06 Jul 04 - 05:39 PM

Millard is only 300 votes behind Ronnie Raygun for 1st Place. If every Catter voted once in all three catagories...

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST,Oliver Whistlemore
Date: 06 Jul 04 - 05:45 PM

You rotten, despicable, troublemaking people! You'll all be sorry for this one day. We at Toypresidents will see to that, rest assured.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Jeri
Date: 06 Jul 04 - 05:55 PM

I wouldn't be too worried about it, OWie. When the Millard doll comes out, we can all buy one for Spaw. Imagine how happy he'd be to receive a few hundred Fillmore figures! I wonder what a tallking Millard Fillmore doll would say, anyway. I wonder if, since nobody probably remembers what the old dude sounded like, you could maybe have him sing the hamster-dance song.

Consider your market, sir!

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: MMario
Date: 06 Jul 04 - 05:56 PM

This convinces me all the more that Millard deserves his recognition!

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST,Oliver Whistlemore
Date: 06 Jul 04 - 06:05 PM

I HAVE considered my market! To tool and manufacture a figure of Millard Fillmore would be an act of utter folly. Virtually no one would buy it, because the average American doesn't know who Millard Fillmore is! We are running a toy company here, not a lunatic asylum! What is wong with you people? Why aren't you doing something useful instead of coming to our website and voting for Millard Fillmore?

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: SINSULL
Date: 06 Jul 04 - 07:05 PM

Everyone in East Aurora, NY will want one. By the way, I actually did contact the East Aurora Historical Society, local schools, and Chamber of Commerce to get their participation, None of them returned my email.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST,MMario
Date: 07 Jul 04 - 08:12 AM

Oliver - on your web-page you stated the final intention was to produce ALL the presidents. Were you lying?

And Millard deserves to be recognized.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: kendall
Date: 07 Jul 04 - 08:19 AM

He just got my vote.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST,Oliver Whistlemore
Date: 07 Jul 04 - 10:04 AM

It is true, Mario, that our original intention was to produce action figures of all the Presidents of this great nation. However, we wanted to respond in a proper procedural fashion to the genuine desires of the American public and produce those figures according to popular demand, in a sequence that would be proportionate to that popular demand. What we have here is a conspiracy by a bunch of morons who have decided to stack the deck and vote for Millard Fillmore over and over again not because they actually believe he was a great President, but merely in order to play a pointless practical joke which lampoons our great traditions! This cannot be allowed to continue.

We are going to smoke out these scoundrels and put a stop to their shenanigans.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: SINSULL
Date: 07 Jul 04 - 12:29 PM

I think shennanigans has an extra "n". Maybe not. But isn't that the name of the South Park ritual during which culprits are beaten with brooms?

Anyway, as I see it, the real problem here is that you idiots are only voting 1st place for Millard. Had you voted him in all 3 slots, he would be winning.

And all you UKers and Canadians. You finally have a chance to voice your opinion in a US election and what do you do? Sit back and watch! Not acceptable. Vote now and vote often.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST,MMario
Date: 07 Jul 04 - 12:49 PM

who have decided to stack the deck and vote for Millard Fillmore over and over again not because they actually believe he was a great President

a vile calumny!

READ the thread. A great deal of information has been posted explaining WHY it would be a good thing to promote Millard.

Talk about stacking the deck - what about the 1000 plus votesz that came in the weekend of Reagan's death? That was entirely media driven!

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 11:14 AM

They've changed the voting! We can no longer vote for presidents who's dolls the company already makes. They haven't changed the results to George Washington is effectively on top of Reagan forever. I wish I could have gotten Lincoln over Nixon though.

Keep voting for Fillmore though. It's just gotten a bit easier sicne Clinton, Reagan and Washington cannot be added to.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST,MMario
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 03:23 PM

hey SPAW! need a ruling here...

technically Millard is now #1 of those who can be voted for - do we bring him up through the non-votable ranks - or do we switch to re-arranging the list according to random whim voter preference?

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Little Hawk
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 03:28 PM

I don't think he gets to be in the nonvotable ranks unless they decide to produce an action figure of him. They would have to be very stupid to make that decision. :-) Hardly anyone would buy it, and tooling is expensive. This means that Millard Fillmore may eventually attain unheard-of voting totals if people keep voting for him! He could theoretically reach 10,000 votes! He could achieve notoriety for NOT having been released as an action figure, despite getting the most votes.

What will they do? The World waits with bated breath!

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 03:34 PM

according to their main site they plan to do all the prezzes. Just the ORDER to be determined by voting.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Little Hawk
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 03:41 PM

Well then, they are definitely not very bright. Why does that not surprise me? Man, I can see it, years from now...warehouses full to the rafters with millions of unsold little Millard Fillmores sitting sadly in their little packages!

That never happened with the James T. Kirk action figures. They sold out. If you can get hold of #0000001 James T. Kirk Action Figure, First Edition, you could sell it on Ebay for enough to buy an island in Tahiti.

A Millard Fillmore won't be worth the plastic it took to make it.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 03:46 PM

sorta like most politicians

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: SINSULL
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 03:47 PM

Mrs. Fillmore is only 36 votes below JackieO. Come on guys. We can do it. Over the top!

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 06:16 PM

I'd buy a Millard Fillmore doll just to hear him speak. I've already applied to the company to be the voice of Millard.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Metchosin
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 07:23 PM

I'd buy a Millard Fillmore doll just so I could feel what it was like to own a President, just like those of the military-industrial complex. Of course, I'd like to add a few of my own additions to his vocabulary, but then, I wouldn't have to wonder what Millard Fillmore would say......so it would probably spoil the fun.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 10:09 PM

George Washington         1872         2116         1725         5713
Ronald Reagan         2974         1394         1295         5663
William J. Clinton         3567         555         724         4846
Thomas Jefferson         760         2168         1720         4648
Millard Fillmore         3082         503         418         4003

We broke 4000!

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 10:13 PM

The standings that I posted the day after we were asked to aid the cause:


George W. Bush    187    88    60    335
Millard Fillmore   100   106    114    320
John Quincy Adams   43   101    115    259

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST,Scutwerker
Date: 28 Jul 04 - 10:38 AM

In the past month, Millard has moved past Thomas Jefferson to fourth place in the overall standings and is NUMBER ONE in first place votes. He only needs about 40 votes to pass Clinton in the overall standings.

www.toypresidents.com removed the names of the existing dolls from the voting list so that Reagan, Clinton, Dubya, TR, Lincoln and Kennedy, can no longer garner any more votes. First place overall is well within our grasp. Then Spaw and I can surely have a 12 inch Millard to dress in our daughter's Barbie clothes.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Jul 04 - 10:43 AM

35

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 28 Jul 04 - 05:41 PM

close to 800 left!

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: SINSULL
Date: 29 Jul 04 - 04:30 PM

So close. So Close. SO CLOSE!!!! Come on guys! Let's knock Nancy out and put Abby on top.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: SINSULL
Date: 22 Apr 09 - 08:09 AM

All righht! Pay attention! Another black horse candidate has arisen and nneeds our attention. Peter Sousa, the New England crazy person aka shanty singer aka Doryman works with Joann his wife on the restoration of the schooner Adventure.

They are up for funding from American Express. VOTE! The Adventure is planned to be a travelling museum of nautical lore, law, music, whatever,

Millard would vote if he could.
Here's the link:
http://www.partnersinpreservation.com/boston/index.php?sec=vot

There are two threads on this one above and one below the line. SEARCH "shantyman" and you will find it.

VOTE and VOTE often.

please...