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Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull 13 Jul 04 - 11:39 PM
The Fooles Troupe 14 Jul 04 - 02:49 AM
Clinton Hammond 14 Jul 04 - 03:42 AM
rhoda horse 14 Jul 04 - 03:44 AM
GUEST,noddy 14 Jul 04 - 04:10 AM
Dave Hanson 14 Jul 04 - 04:29 AM
mooman 14 Jul 04 - 04:32 AM
fat B****rd 14 Jul 04 - 04:33 AM
GUEST,noddy 14 Jul 04 - 06:46 AM
GUEST,noddy 14 Jul 04 - 06:48 AM
GUEST,noddy 14 Jul 04 - 06:49 AM
el ted 14 Jul 04 - 10:05 AM
Jerry Rasmussen 14 Jul 04 - 10:27 AM
Grab 14 Jul 04 - 12:59 PM
Once Famous 14 Jul 04 - 02:24 PM
ThreeSheds 14 Jul 04 - 05:09 PM
GUEST,Yes Sir, I Are A Fat Ham Ass 14 Jul 04 - 05:13 PM
McGrath of Harlow 14 Jul 04 - 05:31 PM
GUEST,FrEd from GillinGham 14 Jul 04 - 09:39 PM
GUEST,Noddy 15 Jul 04 - 12:25 AM
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McGrath of Harlow 15 Jul 04 - 07:41 AM
s6k 15 Jul 04 - 08:25 AM
Little Hawk 15 Jul 04 - 09:00 AM
GUEST 15 Jul 04 - 09:13 AM
Bill D 15 Jul 04 - 10:42 AM
M.Ted 15 Jul 04 - 10:56 AM
Miss Shapen 15 Jul 04 - 12:21 PM
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Alex.S 15 Jul 04 - 12:40 PM
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Ed. 15 Jul 04 - 05:56 PM
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Ed. 16 Jul 04 - 05:43 PM
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Little Hawk 16 Jul 04 - 09:49 PM
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Don Firth 18 Jul 04 - 08:09 PM
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Nemesis 18 Jul 04 - 09:10 PM
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el ted 19 Jul 04 - 12:04 PM
Little Hawk 19 Jul 04 - 12:34 PM
GUEST 19 Jul 04 - 12:36 PM
Oaklet 19 Jul 04 - 12:59 PM
Don Firth 19 Jul 04 - 01:11 PM
Once Famous 19 Jul 04 - 03:28 PM
Peace 19 Jul 04 - 03:45 PM
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Peace 19 Jul 04 - 05:58 PM
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s6k 19 Jul 04 - 06:41 PM
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Don Firth 19 Jul 04 - 06:55 PM
jacqui.c 19 Jul 04 - 07:25 PM
Grab 20 Jul 04 - 09:35 AM
Once Famous 20 Jul 04 - 10:44 AM
GUEST,Mother Superior 20 Jul 04 - 11:09 AM
Once Famous 20 Jul 04 - 11:16 AM
GUEST,Fred Miller 20 Jul 04 - 11:24 AM
jacqui.c 20 Jul 04 - 11:50 AM
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JennyO 20 Jul 04 - 12:37 PM
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akenaton 20 Jul 04 - 06:26 PM
Don Firth 20 Jul 04 - 08:09 PM
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Peace 21 Jul 04 - 11:42 AM
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GUEST 21 Jul 04 - 12:14 PM
Peace 21 Jul 04 - 12:27 PM
Georgiansilver 21 Jul 04 - 01:38 PM
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Peace 21 Jul 04 - 10:54 PM
Nerd 22 Jul 04 - 08:10 PM
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Blackcatter 27 Jul 04 - 12:35 AM
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Nerd 27 Jul 04 - 01:52 AM
jacqui.c 27 Jul 04 - 01:59 AM
Georgiansilver 27 Jul 04 - 04:18 AM
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harpgirl 27 Jul 04 - 01:05 PM
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Once Famous 27 Jul 04 - 10:18 PM
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Bill D 28 Jul 04 - 12:04 AM
Nerd 28 Jul 04 - 12:58 AM
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Little Hawk 31 Jul 04 - 12:08 PM
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Subject: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 13 Jul 04 - 11:39 PM

The Sjambles=Always bloody moaning!
Clintyon Hammond=always bloddy moaning as well
Who piss you off?


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 14 Jul 04 - 02:49 AM

GUEST


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 14 Jul 04 - 03:42 AM

Only at you John... cause you piss me off...

Cause yer an idiot...

are we done?


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
From: rhoda horse
Date: 14 Jul 04 - 03:44 AM

No Clinton. You are an arsehole. So is Martin Gibson.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
From: GUEST,noddy
Date: 14 Jul 04 - 04:10 AM

those that cant speel or tipe


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 14 Jul 04 - 04:29 AM

ced2

eric


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
From: mooman
Date: 14 Jul 04 - 04:32 AM

Whoa!

...We have a mascot specially for this (see the photos section)...The Little Pissant who was specially recruited and who does all the pissing off necessary round here on behalf of everybody...

So no need to go further...

Peace

moo


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
From: fat B****rd
Date: 14 Jul 04 - 04:33 AM

Is this an extension of the "troublemaker's" thread ?, I ask myself.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
From: GUEST,noddy
Date: 14 Jul 04 - 06:46 AM

those that post


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
From: GUEST,noddy
Date: 14 Jul 04 - 06:48 AM

again..


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
From: GUEST,noddy
Date: 14 Jul 04 - 06:49 AM

and again...


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
From: el ted
Date: 14 Jul 04 - 10:05 AM

noddy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 14 Jul 04 - 10:27 AM

Coomme onnnnn, John...........

Jerry


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
From: Grab
Date: 14 Jul 04 - 12:59 PM

People who can't be bothered to spell properly, or write intelligent posts, or contribute musically. People whose only interest in being here is to stir up trouble. The trolls, in other words. John from Hull, as a prime example...

Graham.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
From: Once Famous
Date: 14 Jul 04 - 02:24 PM

Grab this.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
From: ThreeSheds
Date: 14 Jul 04 - 05:09 PM

People who complain about none muso posts in the non muso section


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
From: GUEST,Yes Sir, I Are A Fat Ham Ass
Date: 14 Jul 04 - 05:13 PM

Mudcatr people waht piss me off are the ones who make trouble at CarolC when she makes good news about Palestinian peoples from her trailer in there trailer park with Jack The Sailor. Them are Martin Gibson and Rabbit Saul.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 14 Jul 04 - 05:31 PM

That last one, for a start.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
From: GUEST,FrEd from GillinGham
Date: 14 Jul 04 - 09:39 PM

JoHñ fR0m hÛlL

Coz ees alwais moaning


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
From: GUEST,Noddy
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 12:25 AM

That other Guest, noddy! The one who spells his name the same as mine, but he doesn't capitalize the "N". He has no business coming here. He is superfluous! I am the one and only Noddy who should be here on this forum.

And then there's Grab! That fellow's membername sums up his entire nasty existence in one ugly syllable. Like Martin said, Grab: "Grab this!"

And then there's Clinton H...the guy who is too smart to still be hanging around here, but he doesn't leave! He'd rather stay around and TELL us that he is too smart to be hanging around here. Is he a masochist or a sadist? I think it's the latter.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
From: GUEST,noddy
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 07:34 AM

Noddy.

I was hear first!
So you spell your name the same as me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 07:41 AM

True enough.

GUEST,noddy Guest,Noddy


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
From: s6k
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 08:25 AM

"Grab" pisses me off for saying "People whose only interest in being here is to stir up trouble. The trolls, in other words. John from Hull, as a prime example..."

well this is a BS section, not a music thread, so if you dont like BS threads, then DONT COME ONTO THEM... its a very simple concept.

other poepel waht piss me ofgf are... clinton hammond, boring and moany and other peeple thta piss me orf is GUEST.. he get everyewere and is annoying bugger, he shuold SOD OFF


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 09:00 AM

What if we find ourselves nodding off?


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 09:13 AM

People what fakes beein a Brit


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
From: Bill D
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 10:42 AM

purveyors of superfluous, gratuitous, obfuscitory, polysyllabic, pusilinanimous bombast!


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
From: M.Ted
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 10:56 AM

None of the above--it pisses when people call one or another sort of music "crap" because it doesn't correspond to their particular taste--and when someone is trying to figure out how to play something in a certain technique and style, others are trying to help, and some jerk-off pops in with "all this is bullshit, just play it"--or "there is no right or wrong way to do this"--


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
From: Miss Shapen
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 12:21 PM

Martin Gibson.
Clinton Hammond.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
From: Once Famous
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 12:24 PM

Miss Shapen, Mudcat's newest phony.

Her name implies her brain.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
From: Alex.S
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 12:40 PM

Hey, that mascot -- the pissant -- is he related to that statue in some Benelux (Belgium?) country, pronounced "Maniken Piss"? What a cute 'lil feller!


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
From: GUEST,Lepche
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 01:40 PM

I am beginning to suspect that Martin Gibson is Clinton Hammond. It works this way: Like Doctor Jeckl and Mister Hyde, Clinton Hammond periodically undergoes a horrific personality change where he metamorphs from his normally snide and unpleasantly opinionated self into something far more chaotic and terrifying...Martin Gibson! Martin Gibson is Clinton Hammond without even a shred of self-control or human decency left. I think it happens every time Clinton has his second bottle of Guinness. That's my theory.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
From: Once Famous
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 02:46 PM

Calling Clinton Hammond.

Are you..........me?

Can't be. I don't drink. OK, except for a little Mogen David before BBQing on Sunday.

Guest, Lepche................you're high.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
From: mooman
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 03:09 PM

Correct Alex!

The Mannekin Pis in Brussels, Belgium.
Peace

moo


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
From: Ed.
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 03:47 PM

Me

I get really pissed off with myself when I:

  • make judgements about people that I've never met

  • jump to conclusions about what these people mean

  • reply in haste

  • fail to make my point clearly enough

  • mess up my punctuation, spelling or links

  • post utter crap after too many beers


  • There really is no contest.


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    Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
    From: Once Famous
    Date: 15 Jul 04 - 05:25 PM

    don't be so hard on yourself, Ed

    Really, no one cares.


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    Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
    From: GUEST
    Date: 15 Jul 04 - 05:27 PM

    Clinton Hammond is definitely not Martin Gibson. I think Martin is really CarolC or Jack The Sailor.


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    Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
    From: GUEST,judge dread
    Date: 15 Jul 04 - 05:40 PM

    You think then that Martin Gibson exists. There is no such person. This is a figment of your vivid imagination and it would be wise to ignore such manifestations in the future for your own sanity.


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    Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
    From: McGrath of Harlow
    Date: 15 Jul 04 - 05:53 PM

    Some people have the mission in life of standing as sort of negative role models. Horrible warnings. It's quite a useful function really - "It's a dirty job but someone's got to do it."


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    Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
    From: Ed.
    Date: 15 Jul 04 - 05:56 PM

    Really, no one cares

    Goodness, I don't exist!


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    Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
    From: Once Famous
    Date: 15 Jul 04 - 05:57 PM

    Even I admit that I don't really exist.

    Yet plenty seem to be going crazy here over it.

    Actually I am a figment of my own imagination.


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    Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
    From: GUEST
    Date: 15 Jul 04 - 08:55 PM

    So who is Clinton Hammond really?

    *G*


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    Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
    From: M.Ted
    Date: 16 Jul 04 - 01:13 PM

    The thing is, "Martin Gibson" does exist--he is more "real" in cyberspace than the person who created him--and the person who created him doesn't realize that "Martin Gibson" has already taken over his "real" life in subtle ways--

    If you don't believe me, "Creator-of-Martin", think about how much of your real life you give up to "Martin Gibson" every time you write a post, and then come back later to see how people responded to it-

    You have already said that "he" isn't you, and that you walk away to be a very differerent sort of person in your "real" life, but the fact is, you keep coming back to be him, again and again--


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    Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
    From: Little Hawk
    Date: 16 Jul 04 - 01:16 PM

    That's true. Whoever the actual person is who posts AS Martin Gibson, he is gradually being overshadowed and possessed by his cyber-doppelganger! Creepy. This is a common problem on Internet forums.


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    Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
    From: Don Firth
    Date: 16 Jul 04 - 02:36 PM

    The person who calls himself "Martin Gibson" probably sees himself as some sort of secret identity superhero. The chances are that, in the 3D world, he appears and acts normal. Maybe people even think he's a nice guy. He probably thinks he's a nice guy. But then—like the seizures that assail David Banner just before he turns into The Hulk—the person who becomes "Martin Gibson" ducks into the closet and puts on his form-fitting Lycra spandex body stocking (form-fitting—oh God, what a horrible thought! I can't look!), his mask, and his cape, then comes out, goes to his computer, and accesses Mudcat. There, he becomes the person we've all learned to love so much as he Hulks it up.

    He thinks that, as "Martin Gibson," he's only a made-up persona, and that "Martin Gibson" doesn't really exist in the real world. That's not who he—the 3D person who becomes "Martin Gibson" really is. In fact, several times he has said as much.

    AHA! BUT—you can't really separate the various aspects of what you do and what you are unless you're either schizophrenic or have multiple personality disorder. Every individual is the totality of all the personalities he or she assumes. When "Martin Gibson" leaves the computer, goes back into the closet, changes out of his costume, and assumes his 3D identity (what he likes to think of as the "real" him), he is still the same person. Whoever "Martin Gibson" is in the 3D world, whether he thinks so or not, whether he likes it or not, he IS Martin Gibson.

    He probably really wanted to become Fartman, but Howard Stern beat him to it.

    Don Firth (channeling Carl Gustav Jung)


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    Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
    From: M.Ted
    Date: 16 Jul 04 - 03:03 PM

    Some people deal with cyberspace as if it wasn't part of the real world--the apparent anonymity confuses people into thinking that they aren't being observed, so their actions have no "real world" consequences--many have found out the hard way that it isn't true--


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    Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
    From: wysiwyg
    Date: 16 Jul 04 - 03:47 PM

    The person who created MG seems to write very nice PMs.

    ~Susan


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    Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
    From: Once Famous
    Date: 16 Jul 04 - 05:06 PM

    Thank you Susan, and that's because I do.

    Don, you got your psychology degree at the men's room at the racetrack. Hey, maybe I should put that in the horse thread I created!

    don, you are so full of analyzing that you are completely the most anal person on this forum. I can assure you, I am not Martin Gibson when I leave this place. but it is ENTERTAINMENT to me. Especally to show you how easily manipulated you can be and believe anything you read on the Internet. This guy dON fIRTH, I am sure angsts on how to respond to me. Occasionally, I get a thought about it and laugh to myself about it.

    Please believe me about how whimsical it is for me. all I do is post what's on my mind,how I feel, try to be as politically incorrect as possible, rip into a few pompous over anal snobs, and laugh about how much it is talked about.


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    Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
    From: Ed.
    Date: 16 Jul 04 - 05:43 PM

    Fair enough, but calling people pompous over anal snobs is bound to upset some.

    If you want to get your kicks by upsetting people, that's up to you, I guess.


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    From: Once Famous
    Date: 16 Jul 04 - 05:56 PM

    It's up to them if they want to be upset about it.


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    From: Don Firth
    Date: 16 Jul 04 - 06:39 PM

    Maybe you're right, Marty. You're the expert. You know more about anal than anybody else around here.

    But I can assure you that you are "Martin Gibson" when you leave this place. You're the one who chose your identity, so had to be a part of your character to begin with. You just can't wash it off that easily, Buster. You chose it, and you're stuck with it.

    Have a nice day.

    Don Firth


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    From: Georgiansilver
    Date: 16 Jul 04 - 07:37 PM

    Keeping to character eh Martin. Be Blessed.


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    From: DougR
    Date: 16 Jul 04 - 08:58 PM

    Martin Gibson: Mogen David? You must not have discovered the joys of Charles Shaw yet!

    DougR


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    From: Joybell
    Date: 16 Jul 04 - 09:08 PM

    Me is already here! How weird! Ed are you me or am I? Me exists I'm pretty sure. But I could be wrong. Me and I believe we do. Time to go outside for a scream. Joy


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    From: Little Hawk
    Date: 16 Jul 04 - 09:49 PM

    "It's up to them if they want to be upset about it."

    Martin, you are so right! It's up to them. And that is the key to self-mastery right there. Talking and sometimes wrangling with people of many vastly different beliefs for the last 3 years on Mudcat Cafe has had an enormous effect in helping to teach me how not to give my power away pointlessly to other people by letting them push my buttons any old time they don't see something my way. I have learned to have more equanimity and good humour in the process. For that alone it's been worth it.

    I think there's plenty of method in your particular brand of "madness".


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    From: Once Famous
    Date: 16 Jul 04 - 11:44 PM

    Perhaps, Little Hawk. But the old WASPs here with their devout and totally hypocritical political correctness are by far my favorite target.

    As I have said, that clique is the one that looks down their noses at many in their pseudo-sophisticated manner. They are about as fun as diarhrea at a party and to me never enlightening.

    do you really think calling me "buster" can possibly upset me? It's about as lame as a man with 2 broken legs.

    You have to be tough to live in Chicago, tough to work in the corporate world, tough to make life work to your advantage in general. These little old men in front of their keyboards, plotting and seething very seldom really push my buttons. My posts are purely impromptu to them. They squirm like little girls that have a worm dangled in front of them. I really don't mean them any harm, but I will always push back when pushed at and expose their brand of complete bullshit. For me, it's as I have been saying all along, just entertainment.

    As for being Martin Gibson, I would rather be him here. If we don't have other lives than what goes on here, then I would say, I would not want to be one so pathetic.


    Always enjoy dialogue with you, Little Hawk.


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    From: M.Ted
    Date: 17 Jul 04 - 11:11 AM

    So--you have created your own Golem to fight with the "little old men in front of their keyboards, plotting and seething"--when we want to talk to you instead of Martin Gibson, we'll start calling you Rabbi Loew--

    So Rabbi Loew: We're just trying to help you to understand the way things work here in cyberspace--it may seem like you can do and say whatever you want, but after a while, you become what you pretend to be--when you live outside the law you must be honest--I know Little Hawk always says that he agrees--


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    From: Ebbie
    Date: 17 Jul 04 - 08:09 PM

    Martin Gibson, you may think that your peculiar idea of entertainment on this forum is a new one- but if you check back a year or two on other threads you'll find that there have been others who also claimed they were pitching the shit for the fun of it. You're not original, only juvenile. IMO.


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    From: Once Famous
    Date: 18 Jul 04 - 11:38 AM

    M.Ted, I have no idea who this Rabbi Loew is , so your post is as empty as probably your sex life. Unless it reveals how anti-semitic you are. I think, I'll start referring to you as M.Teat, as I am sure that M.Ted is hardly how you sign your checks.

    So M.Teat, change your shorts, today?

    Ebbie, I don't know or care about the other posters you are comparing me to. As far as being what you call juvinile, I really don't care about that either.


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    From: GUEST,catter
    Date: 18 Jul 04 - 11:55 AM

    Its not the heavies on the cat that bother me, tho, at times they all have.

    There is one catter that is smart, witty, philosphical, funny etc. Yet occasionally makes very personal attacks on another mudcatter with similar qualities. This upsets me more than the heavies. Because I expected better of him. And because the attacks are so detailed, so personal, so well thought out.

    Ratbags I can cope with.


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    From: Amos
    Date: 18 Jul 04 - 11:58 AM

    (Enter Kingston Trio from stage left wearing Bermuda shorts and pink alligator shirts. They strum and sing:)

    But did he ever awake, no he never awoke
    And he's still asleep out there
    He will stay unconscious through the next millenium
    He's the man who just didn't care....


    (Exeunt stage right, plinking).

    Martin, your anti-social act is very funny.

    A


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    Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
    From: Jeri
    Date: 18 Jul 04 - 12:39 PM

    I'm with GUEST, catter up there.

    There are ratbags in every forum, every community, office, family... everywhere. Some attempt to piss everyone off with such dedication that it seems desperate. We have these here. My guess is that they can succeed in little else, interpersonally, and at least they get noticed when they act like assholes. The desperation, however, is just too blatant for me to take them seriously.

    Other folks, who come down to some nasty level to play, bother me more. I guess it's just that the threatening, rude, easily goaded, egotistical, whatever, plonker, was always lurking behind the public 'face'. Those qualities lurk behind most of our masks, in varying degrees. What I can't figure out is what makes people, who obviously CAN be nice, decide they can justify (to themselves) letting their 'inner asshole' come out and hurt people. I suppose what bothers me more than them just showing who they really are is the realisation that I'd misjudged them.


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    Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
    From: Don Firth
    Date: 18 Jul 04 - 01:59 PM

    AHA, Doug!

    We may not see eye to eye on things political, but when comes to wines, we are in complete agreement! My wife, Barbara, who often haunts our local Trader Joe's (actual, they have several stores in Seattle), discovered Charles Shaw wines and we've been buying it ever since, both for our own enjoyment and for when we entertain. Here's a pretty informative web site about it (BLICKY). I lift a glass and drink to your health.

    Well, well, well. Judging from the posts above, Marty, you seem to be the primary off-pisser around here.

    Commercial offering possible therapy follows:

    Follow Doug's recommendation and give Charles Shaw wines a try, Marty. They're sold exclusively at Trader Joe's, but there are Trader Joe's stores in Chicago. They are excellent, and startlingly inexpensive, considering how good they are. Apparently there is nothing about them that is inconsistent with kosher laws, because I have a number of Jewish friends and acquaintances (sophisticated, well-educated, and cosmopolitan, all) who are also very fond of them. One friend (who hosted frequent song-fests in his home for years and, although he is gone now, his wife continues to do so) said once that he will not have Mogen David in the house. He told me that he drank it when he was younger and didn't know any better. According to him, it tastes like grape flavored syrup.

    Now, don't say that Doug and I never did anything for you, Marty. Enjoy. Mellow out a little.

    Don Firth


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    From: Big Al Whittle
    Date: 18 Jul 04 - 02:11 PM

    I suppose we all disagree about the nature of folk music and other stuff, but at least most of us care enough to have opinions


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    From: McGrath of Harlow
    Date: 18 Jul 04 - 03:55 PM

    I really would have thought that Martin would have known about the legend of the Golem and the man who was created it, Rabbi Loew>, and would have recognised that there was nothing in the least anti-semitic in MTed's reference.


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    From: M.Ted
    Date: 18 Jul 04 - 04:42 PM

    Hard to believe that you don't know about one of the most enduring Jewish folktales--The story goes that Rabbi Loew created the Golem to defend the Jews of Prague against their enemies--but the Golem began attacking the Jews as well, and the Rabbi had to destroy him--

    Well, actually, I can believe you don't know the story, since they don't have the book at Walmart any more--and who uses checks anymore, anyway?


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    Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
    From: Les from Hull
    Date: 18 Jul 04 - 04:44 PM

    Actually all the people who know me have convinced me that I'm only a parchment of my own pigmentation.


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    From: M.Ted
    Date: 18 Jul 04 - 04:53 PM

    Thanks for posting the link, Kevin--not exactly the same version of the story, but it does connect it to cyberspace--


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    From: McGrath of Harlow
    Date: 18 Jul 04 - 04:58 PM

    Actually in the light of "Martin Gibson" reminding people that the real person behind the curtain has virtually nothing in common with the "prson" who pops up here raging away in various directions, perhaps it's not so surprising.

    So "Martin Gibson" presents as a middle-aged Jewish man living in Chicago, who might be expected to have heard the story of the Golem at some time. But for all we know the real person could be, for example, a Presbyterian granny living in Billericay, who very likely wouldn't have...


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    From: M.Ted
    Date: 18 Jul 04 - 05:27 PM

    For those of you who have missed hearing from Granny:


    LATEST BREAKING NEWS OF BILLERICAY
            
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    Billericay Scrabble Club member Bob Flack has become the British Mensa's national Scrabble Champion. An IQ of 159 and studying the clubs lists of highest scoring words from the clubs monthly newsletters helped put Bob into the finals. Bob was invincible, easily beating all the competition in a best out of three games fina         


    LEFT IN THE DARK

    Powerful storms hit Essex and left many residents of Billericay without power and telephones lines.

    The county of Essex almost grinded to a halt as many roads were blocked by fallen trees and motorists were urged to stay at home unless their trips were absolutely necessary when 90mph winds battered the county. Ramsden Heath, and Billericay amongst other towns and villages were forced to use candle light and gas appliances, with many households not having power restored for days.


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    Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
    From: Once Famous
    Date: 18 Jul 04 - 06:05 PM

    Amos, you finally are starting to get it!

    Good guess, Mcgrath, but just shows a good imagination.

    As for wines, I just don't take them seriously enough. They either have to be sweet or I don't like them at all.

    Mted, it's not really as common a storyas you think. And I write checks all the time. No ATMs. No on-line payments. Never had one bounce yet.


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    Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
    From: DougR
    Date: 18 Jul 04 - 07:26 PM

    Don: no doubt about it in my opinion. Until my step-daughter introduced me to Charles Shaw I was a confirmed Vodka drinker. On the rocks with a splash of water. The night I tasted Charles Shaw (Merlot is my preference)I stopped drinking Vodka or any other hard liquor (well a spot of Hennessee, neat, on rare occasions).

    As to who on the Mudcat pisses me off. Nobody.

    DougR


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    Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
    From: GUEST,Judge dread
    Date: 18 Jul 04 - 07:37 PM

    Neither a wine buff or a word buff gibson. Sad!


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    From: Georgiansilver
    Date: 18 Jul 04 - 07:41 PM

    Hey Judge dread or should I say guest!!!!!! Your words are a wind-up and no better than his. Reveal yourself if you wish some credibility.
    Be Blessed.


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    From: Don Firth
    Date: 18 Jul 04 - 08:09 PM

    Jeeze, Marty, I've known the story about Rabbi Loew and the Golem for years, and I'm a Lutheran.

    Sweet wine!?? Fruity in nose and flavor, yes, but sweet??

    Yeah, Doug, I don't think I've had a drink of hard liquor for years (other than a dram of Drambuie from time to time, and an occasional beer on a hot afternoon, which is nowhere near hard liquor). Barbara and I have a glass from the stock of Charles Shaw that we keep on hand maybe two or three times a week with dinner and, of course, when we have guests. A moderate amount of red wine is supposed to Roto-Rooter the plaque out of one's veins and arteries. At last!! Something you enjoy that's actually good for you!

    We like a fairly wide variety, but the Merlot is excellent.

    Don Firth


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    Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
    From: Once Famous
    Date: 18 Jul 04 - 08:58 PM

    Guest, judge dread:

    Eat my shorts on rye toast.

    Don, Have no idea what a Lutheran is either. Was it started by Lex Luther? Or Luther Van Dross. Wait, I think it was Luther Perkins, who was Johnny Cash's original boom-chucka-boom guitarist.

    They don't teach that story in any of the religious schools I've been affiliated with.

    Who gives a crap about wine, or in your case whine. Being a wine con-noyser doesn't impress me in the slightest.


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    Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
    From: Nemesis
    Date: 18 Jul 04 - 09:10 PM

    Just making a lateral enquiry here... is Charles Shaw the only manufacturer of wine available in the US or is it just because it's the most recogisable/ popular or something?

    (I mean, there are many, many, different, fantastic Californian winemakers products available here in UK .. is all/most US wine exported?)

    Just curious ...
    Keen on Merlot too :)
    Nem
    x


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    Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
    From: Don Firth
    Date: 18 Jul 04 - 09:13 PM

    Wow!! There's a helluva lot you don't know, isn't there, Marty? That explains a lot.

    Don Firth


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    From: Once Famous
    Date: 18 Jul 04 - 09:15 PM

    Don, what I forgot, you haven't even imagined. Consider your chain yanked for exactly the 1 millionth time.


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    Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
    From: M.Ted
    Date: 18 Jul 04 - 09:42 PM

    If you don't believe me, ask the Rabbi(about the Golem, not about the checks)--as I said, one of the most enduring stories, and you don't have to be Jewish to know about it--you just need to like movies--


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    From: DougR
    Date: 18 Jul 04 - 10:20 PM

    Martin: I doubt any serious wine consumer would consider anyone who drinks Charles Shaw a "conesuier." I like it because it tastes good.

    Don: The Sharaz is pretty good too!

    DougR


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    Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
    From: Once Famous
    Date: 19 Jul 04 - 11:29 AM

    How about Richard's Wild Irish Rose or Boone's Farm?

    Or Mad Dog 20/20?

    Or better yet, how about Listerine?


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    Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
    From: el ted
    Date: 19 Jul 04 - 12:04 PM

    people who post in red all the time, because someone has just shown them how to do it.


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    Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
    From: Little Hawk
    Date: 19 Jul 04 - 12:34 PM

    Yes. Those people are scum. They should be excommunicated.


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    From: GUEST
    Date: 19 Jul 04 - 12:36 PM

    I feel the same about big, green and bold.


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    From: Oaklet
    Date: 19 Jul 04 - 12:59 PM

    And people who say that they'll produce the following line in green and red alternate letters, moving from left to right.





    Then fail.


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    Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
    From: Don Firth
    Date: 19 Jul 04 - 01:11 PM

    Yup, Doug, Shiraz is another favorite. Although among the ones we've tried so far, it's hard to pick "favorites." They're all good.

    Oh, yeah, Marty, I can imagine how much you've forgotten. The man with the Teflon brain. Drinking all that Listerine will do that to you.

    Don Firth


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    From: Once Famous
    Date: 19 Jul 04 - 03:28 PM

    Another don firth stalking thread to me above that I am forced to respond to because this anus face is a complete douchebag loser.. he's not even a good insulter.

    I do believe all of that wine has fucked up your brain, Don. Time again to blow yourself with a straw. Please do use your Listerine, Don or at least cross your legs. Your breath is killing us all.


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    From: Peace
    Date: 19 Jul 04 - 03:45 PM

    It's true love, I can tell.


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    From: Jeri
    Date: 19 Jul 04 - 04:12 PM

    Kinda makes me nostalgic for the good old days on the playground. Jungle gyms, swings, slides and the lingering cries of:
    "Yer mama's a douchebag!"
    "You don't even know what a 'douchebag' is, you stupid asshole."
    "I do SO know what a 'douchebag' is, pecker-breath - it's your mama!"

    Then again, maybe it was just an episode of 'South Park'...


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    From: SINSULL
    Date: 19 Jul 04 - 04:21 PM

    Anyone remember Cupid's Quiver - champagne flavored douche from the 60s? I'll bet if Don really is a douche bag, he's champagne flavored. And Martin? Probably Listerine.


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    Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
    From: McGrath of Harlow
    Date: 19 Jul 04 - 04:33 PM

    But remember "Martin Gibson" is a fictitious character, who has only been in existence since December 2002. So that kind of playground stuff is pretty advanced for someone of that age, even if he'd hardly qualify as being a "good insulter".


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    Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
    From: Once Famous
    Date: 19 Jul 04 - 04:50 PM

    Champagne for Don? Maybe cheap champagne. No, definately sceptic tank fluid.

    McGrath, what is your definition of a good insulter? what qualifies to you?


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    Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
    From: McGrath of Harlow
    Date: 19 Jul 04 - 05:20 PM

    One essential for a "good insulter" would be the ability to nose out some characteristic of the person being insulted, preferably one about which they feel a bit insecure, and use that as the basis for the insult, rather than just throwing out random off-the-shelf abuse. If an insult isn't in some way accurate, it's got no real force.

    So, for exmple, to get back to the playground, there'd be no sense in calling someone who didn't wear glasses "old four-eyes".

    Being a "good insulter" isn't something of which I'd pride myself.


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    From: Once Famous
    Date: 19 Jul 04 - 05:23 PM

    I don't really, either. But what else, besides ignore, can you do with dumb asses?


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    From: GUEST,Mrs Martin Gibson
    Date: 19 Jul 04 - 05:25 PM

    Marty, when you've finished jerking off on that frigging computer, come back to bed and get some sleep. Shame you can't do it for me, but I guess the pecker pills must take more than a couple of years to work.


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    Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
    From: GUEST,Mrs. Don Firth
    Date: 19 Jul 04 - 05:54 PM

    Marty, you can cum on me instead.


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    Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
    From: Peace
    Date: 19 Jul 04 - 05:58 PM

    Leave the wives out of it.


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    From: Peace
    Date: 19 Jul 04 - 06:09 PM

    As to the thread, I must admit that Freda Underhill gets me POed. She never loses her cool, is always thoughtful, has a great sense of humour, considers what she writes and its effect/affect on people, and it pisses me off that people can be so level-headed. They don't write 'em like that anymore.


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    From: s6k
    Date: 19 Jul 04 - 06:41 PM

    pelple whot piss me off iz...


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    From: s6k
    Date: 19 Jul 04 - 06:41 PM

    poelple that get post number 100 !


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    Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
    From: Don Firth
    Date: 19 Jul 04 - 06:55 PM

    The problem is that there are some people (and I use that term with reservations) who hide behind anonymity, or an equally anonymous "handle," and say things that, were they to make such remarks to someone in person, the next thing they'd be doing is crawling around on the floor looking for their teeth.

    That kind of anonymity brings out the true nature of some people (once again, the term with reservations):   foul-minded, foul-mouthed bullies who are much too cowardly to face the consequences of their utterances, so they make them anonymously in places like this. It's obvious that these—well—people (although I really hesitate to classify them has human beings) have managed to find their level. Right about crotch height.

    The Mudcat seems to have become infested lately with some particularly nasty parasites.

    Don Firth


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    Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
    From: jacqui.c
    Date: 19 Jul 04 - 07:25 PM

    How about ignoring that sort of post completely. If there was no reaction at all there is a possibility that the person in question would give up and find another forum to bother. It is rather frustrating tryng to follow what could be an interesting discussion only to have it spoilt by this type of thing.


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    Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
    From: Grab
    Date: 20 Jul 04 - 09:35 AM

    Yeah, I'm one ugly son-of-a-syllable, boy...

    Grab.


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    Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
    From: Once Famous
    Date: 20 Jul 04 - 10:44 AM

    i agree with Brucie. why do people have to insult someone's wife?

    Believe it or not, I do draw the line. Using a fake name or a handle seems to be what most do here. I would never use my real name in this or in any forum as Don Firth does. Good or bad, why would anyone want to expose their real self to the world as someone who even remotely associates with all of this quirkiness.

    Don, I've not done it, but wouldn't it make you feel weird if someone did a Google or Yahoo search on your name and it took someone here to Mudcat or wherever else you post and everyone saw all of YOUR very real self co-habitating with many usual Internet varmints?


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    Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
    From: GUEST,Mother Superior
    Date: 20 Jul 04 - 11:09 AM

    Martin dear, The rabbitskin mitten you masturbate with does not, in law, constitute a wife.


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    From: Once Famous
    Date: 20 Jul 04 - 11:16 AM

    Well, then pull out your dildo and stuff it up your scabbed genitals and say a few Hail Mary's for me, dear Mother superior.

    Better yet, pray to your plastic Jesus you are out of your misery soon.

    OK?


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    From: GUEST,Fred Miller
    Date: 20 Jul 04 - 11:24 AM

    My computer crashed a few days ago. Anybody know what happened with the favorouter mudcatters thread?


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    From: jacqui.c
    Date: 20 Jul 04 - 11:50 AM

    It probably went off the page if no one contributed to it. Do a refresh for a week to look for it again.


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    From: GUEST,Martin Gibson
    Date: 20 Jul 04 - 12:09 PM

    Hey you guys. I just gotta tell you the truth. I get fed up with the things people say about me on here so please start being nice to me. I am really such a lovely guy and I do not mean most of the things I say. I want you all to love me.


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    From: GUEST,El Pope
    Date: 20 Jul 04 - 12:31 PM

    El huésped Martin Gibson,

    Usted es tan inútil como tetas en un toro. Todos saben que Marty anuncia bajo su propio nombre. El tiene las pelotas que no lo hace.

    Take that you dumb shit.


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    From: JennyO
    Date: 20 Jul 04 - 12:37 PM

    Just in case anyone is wondering about El Pope's Spanish, here's the translation:

    The guest Martin Gibson, You are as useless as teats in a bull. All know that Marty announces under its own name. It has the balls that do not do it.

    Would Babelfish lie?


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    From: Don Firth
    Date: 20 Jul 04 - 01:30 PM

    Marty, it doesn't worry me to use my real name because, unlike some others, I don't post anything that I would be ashamed of.

    And as far as anyone looking me up is concern, it happened just a few weeks ago. An old friend did a google search on my name and found me here on Mudcat. He registered as a member here solely to use the PM facility and sent me a PM with his e-mail address. I e-mailed him and we got together for the first time since 1985. He's a former guitar student of mine and a very good friend.

    Perhaps I'm gullible and foolhardy, but I can't see any reason why anyone would want to do me any harm. And if it were to ever happen, I'm perfectly capable of protecting myself.

    Don Firth


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    From: McGrath of Harlow
    Date: 20 Jul 04 - 02:35 PM

    The overwhelming majority of people who post on the Mudcat are people anyone would be happy to be associated with. The right way to see the occasional persistant pillock is that. they help people to appreciate the fact that most Mudcatters aren't like that. Thank God.


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    From: Don Firth
    Date: 20 Jul 04 - 02:37 PM

    In fact, Marty, although you say you find my writing boring, it seems that there are others who don't. A few people have read things I've posted here and apparently liked what they read because they offered me opportunities to write for print publications they're associated with. I have over a dozen magazine articles published. Some for pay.

    So you see, there are certain advantages to using one's real name. And, of course, to writing things that you're not ashamed of.

    Also, I don't at all mind "co-habitating" (don't you mean "cohabiting"?) with the "usual Internet varmints" who frequent Mudcat. With the exception of a few "varmints" (variant of the word "vermin"), I find most Mudcat habitués to be interesting, knowledgeable, informative, and friendly. Not only that, where else could I converse with people all over the world? Amos in San Diego, McGrath in England, Wolfgang in Germany, CarolC in Alabama, DougR in Arizona, Bobert in West Virginia, Foolestroupe in Australia, etc. Even converse a bit with Jean Ritchie and old friend from decades ago, Sandy Paton. Rather than a collection of "varmints," I find Mudcat to be one of the real miracles that modern technology makes possible.

    You know, Marty, I think there is a remote possibility that you might actually have something to offer if you ever gave yourself permission. And if it's really true that you're "fed up with the things people say about me" and "I do not mean most of the things I say here so please start being nice to me," then there is a very easy way of bringing that about. If it's really true, that is, and you're not just trying to jerk people around. Wouldn't it be nice if people actually liked you and valued your comments and opinions? All you need to do is stop acting like a pubescent barbarian who has recently discovered his and other people's crotches and start acting like a mature, happy human being that you claim to be "in real life."

    It's that simple.

    Don Firth


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    From: DougR
    Date: 20 Jul 04 - 02:46 PM

    Hey Kevin, what the heck is a pillock?

    DougR


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    From: Once Famous
    Date: 20 Jul 04 - 03:05 PM

    Don, I really don't have to act any way that you want me to. I am my own man and you are your own girlie man. I didn't write that stupid guest, Martin Gibson post as my cookie is always on. You are gullible, don you old fart.

    there are people here who like what I write also. Have more friends than you or many could ever realize. Some of them encourage me to say things to you and I don't really always mind being their mouthpiece. I respond to plenty of PMs from my friends here all of the time.

    Some have found my pull no punches, total lack of political correctness quite refreshing and I hear it all of the time. Others I know feel that some of the old guard psuedo intellectuals have gone stale and really are quite boring and full of themselves amongst other types of fecal matter.

    So Don, I'm in it for the long haul to keep in check just how off the wall that the world could be, to show that polital correctness is out of control, and to continue with another angle on life. One that could give you sometimes a nice dose of what life in the big city is like.


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    From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
    Date: 20 Jul 04 - 03:27 PM

    colour=red, size=really big   HELLLOOOO!


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    From: SINSULL
    Date: 20 Jul 04 - 03:38 PM

    jOhn,
    It is about time you showed up here to rescue your thread from creep. How is the taxi driving going?
    SINS


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    From: Don Firth
    Date: 20 Jul 04 - 03:41 PM

    There you have it, Doug. The perfect example. In England, Marty would be the quinessential pillock, a model for all aspiring pillocks to emulate.

    Marty, hope springs eternal within my breast. I keep trying to give you chances to rise on the scale of evolution, but you just don't seem to have the capability. 'Tis a pity.

    Don Firth


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    From: McGrath of Harlow
    Date: 20 Jul 04 - 04:14 PM

    Pillock - a dismissive term indicating a degree of contempt for the person referred to. Similar to jerk, but with more mocking overtones.


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    From: Once Famous
    Date: 20 Jul 04 - 04:24 PM

    Don, stop trying to emulate pillocks and try to ejaculate them instead.

    You write like classic literature's worst nightmare.


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    From: TheBigPinkLad
    Date: 20 Jul 04 - 04:35 PM

    jOhn you're a diamond geezer. Such a way of putting things in perspective.


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    From: Georgiansilver
    Date: 20 Jul 04 - 06:18 PM

    Martin. I have to say that from your postings on here, I would have thought that Classic literature would be the last thing you had been in contact with. Be Blessed.


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    From: Don Firth
    Date: 20 Jul 04 - 06:19 PM

    "You write like classic literature's worst nightmare."

    Thank you, Marty! That's the nicest thing you've ever said to me!

    Don Firth


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    From: Georgiansilver
    Date: 20 Jul 04 - 06:20 PM

    OOOps sorry Don. Didn't realise the implications of Martins compliment. Be Blessed.


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    From: akenaton
    Date: 20 Jul 04 - 06:26 PM

    Strange how Doug is the only person in the world who doesn't know what a "pillock" is ??


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    From: Don Firth
    Date: 20 Jul 04 - 08:09 PM

    Actually, GS, I think we were probably operating under similar assumptions: that Marty's idea of classic literature is to be found in publications like Penthouse Forum or Hustler. Ordinary (non-classic) literature, he finds on the walls of rest rooms around Chicago.

    Don Firth


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    From: McGrath of Harlow
    Date: 20 Jul 04 - 09:57 PM

    I doubt that akenaton - I don't think it's that common an expression across the Atlantic. No shortage of candidates, but I think they'd call them something else.


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    From: Once Famous
    Date: 20 Jul 04 - 10:23 PM

    The only thing that I saw on a Chicago rest room wall was, "for a good blow job, call Don Firth,"

    Georrgiansilver, ooops, you're a fuck-up.

    As far as classic literature goes, how does anyone know what I've read. Actually, Holden Caulfield would probably be proud of me.


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    From: Georgiansilver
    Date: 21 Jul 04 - 05:13 AM

    More proof Martin that you know so little about the people you taunt.
    If you want to wind something up...buy a clock with a winder. You might have more success.
    Love your posts though... Would imagine you are a really nice guy underneath the facade. Be Blessed.


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    From: Peace
    Date: 21 Jul 04 - 11:42 AM

    It's hard to say that ten times fast.


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    From: M.Ted
    Date: 21 Jul 04 - 12:04 PM

    And, once again, Martin shows off what he doesn't know--


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    From: GUEST
    Date: 21 Jul 04 - 12:14 PM

    WAKE UP! Georgiansilver IS Martin Gibson.


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    From: Peace
    Date: 21 Jul 04 - 12:27 PM

    Never mind "wake up Georgiansilver", wake up little Susie. Right.


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    From: Georgiansilver
    Date: 21 Jul 04 - 01:38 PM

    Martin Gibson and I are worlds apart "GUEST". I am who I am and what you see. He is a fake by his own admission and treats people totally differently than I do. You however are hiding behind the "GUEST" guise as so many people do, who make bold statements that they cannot justify. Be Blessed anyway.


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    From: GUEST,fred miller
    Date: 21 Jul 04 - 10:49 PM

    whoever soured the Favorouters thread and got it deleted sort of pisses me off, since it was a little less mind-numbingly boring than this one. Good lord this should certainly be a little more fun than ragging on about the barbed persona Martin G likes to adopt online. So what? It could be more to my taste, but I suppose it's going to be more to his. Fine.

    Some of my favorite catters are Jimmyt, Ebbie, Nerd, John from kansas, carolc and jts, blackcatter, little hawk, Ellenpolly, leprechaun, kimc, and whatshername, whatshisname, and also whatshisname. Some of these are people i've had snits with about things, but those are also people I feel I've got to know a little, whose names I remember, and whose posts I often like to read.


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    From: Peace
    Date: 21 Jul 04 - 10:54 PM

    Your name should be on that list, too, Fred. IMO, you are one heckuva thinker.


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    From: Nerd
    Date: 22 Jul 04 - 08:10 PM

    Thanks, Fred!

    I would also rather talk about favorite mudcatters than people who piss me off. But on the other hand, some of my favorite mudcatters often DO piss me off, like DougR. And Martin Gibson himself.   I mean, who could not be amused by some of MG's comments, and pissed off by others?

    By the way, as to whether Martin Gibson is "Real" or not, there's a classic of sociology by Erving Goffman, called "The Presentation of Self in Everyday Life." His essential argument is that we are all acting roles most of the time. The version of us that most other people see is not the "real" us or the "complete" us, but a role. Martin Gibson is one of the roles acted by his creator. He is not "completely unreal" (whatever that may mean), but he is only a projection, a role, being acted by his creator.

    Certain things MG certainly has in common with his creator. I believe the creator of MG is really Jewish, for example, from sentences like

    Don, what I forgot, you haven't even imagined.

    But of course, it's possible that MG is just a very well-created role.

    In either case, I long ago decided that MG just says what he says to be funny and yank our chains, and since then he's gone from being someone who pissed me off to one of my favorite mudcatters--because it's usually amusing to read a thread he's in!

    Other favorites: Bobert, Fred Miller, Wolfgang (who keeps both sides honest on the political threads), Sandy Paton, Kytrad, and the late lamented Rick Fielding, among others.

    'Catters who piss me off? Life's too short

    (er, that's too short to be pissed off, not too short to list the 'Catters who piss me off!)


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    From: Once Famous
    Date: 22 Jul 04 - 09:14 PM

    Another one who actually gets it!

    It's cool to have impact.


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    From: GUEST,fred miller
    Date: 26 Jul 04 - 12:45 AM

    or whatever.


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    From: Georgiansilver
    Date: 26 Jul 04 - 07:59 PM

    But why do people or at least one person want to appear cool to themselves by playing such a provocative role? Is it the real person we are actually seeing or is it just some projection? I wonder if people actually know the impact the role has or could have on others and more importantly on themselves...who knows??
    Be Blessed.


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    From: CarolC
    Date: 26 Jul 04 - 08:48 PM

    Thanks Don and Fred.


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    From: Once Famous
    Date: 26 Jul 04 - 10:31 PM

    Georgiansilver

    Really, what the fuck is the difference? There's only a few here like yourself that ponder or "wonder" the impact.

    Why don't you worry about when you are going to get laid next?


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    From: Little Hawk
    Date: 26 Jul 04 - 11:36 PM

    I used to worry about that a lot, Martin...but there are actually better things in life than sex! (yeah, I know you don't believe that for a minute) :-)

    I sure don't worry about it these days. It's great being single. I kid you not.


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    From: Nerd
    Date: 26 Jul 04 - 11:36 PM

    I wouldn't put it in quite those terms, but Martin is being sensible. The point you could draw from Goffman is that there is no sense wondering if you're just seeing a projection: you are. You are ALWAYS seeing a projection, not "the real person," even if you're talking in real life, let alone on the internet. Furthermore, I would say this has to be a dialogic performance. It's even more true on the internet (which did not exist in Goffman's day) because you experience so much less: no facial expressions, body language, tone of voice, quality of voice, etc. So all you see are words made up by a person. Any "person" you construct out of those words is as much your invention as his.


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    From: GUEST,Fred Miller
    Date: 26 Jul 04 - 11:47 PM

    Well Gs, I like some of Martin's posts when he has something to say, but don't enjoy his routine postings(I KNOW, Martin, You don't care, don't give a whatever, yes, I get it, done got it, am watching re-runs, thanks).
       Except I always do enjoy the part of the routine where he tells people he doesn't care what they think of his routine, online persona, manners, style, humor, whatever. I think I like it because it's a question he keeps answering that nobody keeps asking him.
        When you or I ask a question like you have, correct me if I'm wrong, we are not asking Martin, or "Martin" whether he cares what we think, or even really addressing him at all. Why would we? It's more like an open question to absolutely anyone else--even anonymous guests--and addressing a dismal, recurring phenomenae, like say, We're getting some bleak weather here aren't we? One isn't asking the dull grey skies if they care what we think about them, or addressing the question to them.
        That's why I enjoy the way Martin always and very predictably butts in right there to answer, always naively supposing anyone cares WHETHER he cares what we think. Different people find different things funny, that's the side of MG that amuses me. That, and his other, genuinely interesting posts, his take on folk music in general, and his musical knowledge and tastes.


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    From: Bill D
    Date: 27 Jul 04 - 12:15 AM

    well, Mr. Nerd, sir...you are, of course, technically correct. We see textual representations of some 'person'.....but some represent themselves in a pretty real approximation of what they are in reality.

    I have MET a whole bunch of Mudcat folks RT, and it is my observation that those who are willing to be known RT are pretty much like their online personas. (there are several who are a 'bit' more bashful RT, and who actually express themselves better with time to think and type)

    Now, it might be that Martin Gibson, aka ******** *. ************ in his supposed 'real' persona as a Jewish bluegrass musician from Chicago, is a well-liked and friendly fellow, but I sure wonder at the inner self that thinks it a great experiment and good fun to foment the amount of rancor he persists in spreading around this forum!

    Everyone views these words on a screen a bit differently...some treat every 'persona' seriously, and *some* act as though none of these characters are really real, and assume their Don Rickles shtick of gratuitous insults is only a play-party game. They are so dead wrong it is scary! There are REAL people on the end of every post, whether you ever expect to meet them or not. It IS possible to do real damage with insults and put-downs, and no amount of laughing & shrugging is going to change that.

    "Martin Gibson" is clever, bright, fast with the quip and has a thick skin....but I suspect that he is not a guy I'd care to be stranded with on a desert island.....not that he cares, anwyay...


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    From: Little Hawk
    Date: 27 Jul 04 - 12:20 AM

    Yes, we are all seeing projections. It can be interesting figuring out what is really behind them, though.


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    From: Blackcatter
    Date: 27 Jul 04 - 12:35 AM

    "He may be a son of a bitch," US President Franklin Roosevelt is reported to have said of Nicaraguan dictator Anastosio Somoza, "but at least, he's our son of a bitch."

    That's our MG.


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    From: Nerd
    Date: 27 Jul 04 - 01:45 AM

    Good one, Blackcatter!

    Goffman would answer BillD by saying that we have no way of knowing whether anyone on Mudcat is anything like the "real person," even if we know them outside of Mudcat. All we see are performative presentations of self, here or in the real world. All we would know for sure is that the person gives very consistent performances.

    The part I really don't get is this:

    Everyone views these words on a screen a bit differently...some treat every 'persona' seriously, and *some* act as though none of these characters are really real, and assume their Don Rickles shtick of gratuitous insults is only a play-party game. They are so dead wrong it is scary! There are REAL people on the end of every post, whether you ever expect to meet them or not. It IS possible to do real damage with insults and put-downs, and no amount of laughing & shrugging is going to change that.

    I could understand you saying it's wrong, but "so dead wrong it is scary?" It sounds as though you're saying there are people here so fragile that an insult from someone who is essentially a stranger is likely to have serious psychological consequences. This may be the case, but such a person is an accident waiting to happen and should probably stay away from anonymous internet forums!


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    From: Nerd
    Date: 27 Jul 04 - 01:52 AM

    By the way, reading some of my posts here, I can well imagine that I must piss some of you off, by being such a...well, a nerd! If so, I apologize!


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    From: jacqui.c
    Date: 27 Jul 04 - 01:59 AM

    Problem is that Martin's gratuitous and unpleasant posts tend to sour an interesting thread. Then the attention is focused on the negative - point and counterpoint to MG's insults - and not on the original subject. That pisses me off.


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    From: Georgiansilver
    Date: 27 Jul 04 - 04:18 AM

    Martin Gibson....I never have to worry about when I am going to get laid next...not one of my problems....what about you??.

    GUEST Fred Miller...Yes I actually enjoy reading Martins postings in any form and as Little Hawk puts it "It can be interesting figuring out what is really behind them" AND yes Martin gets a huge amount of attention,even if quite a bit of it is by butting in on threads with irrelevant material and insults. That's his way, let's just enjoy him. Be Blessed.


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    From: GUEST,Tam the bam (Nutter)
    Date: 27 Jul 04 - 05:44 AM

    Me, I piss myself off


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    From: Bill D
    Date: 27 Jul 04 - 12:50 PM

    Nerd- if it is difficult to tell what really lies behind each screen persona, it is equally difficult to imagine how the 'banter' affects some of them who are trying to learn to find their way in the online forum world. Saying that fragile people should avoid this world is a cop-out...it's like saying that fair-skinned people should avoid going outside when the sun is shining. To operate in this new system, sometimes they have little choice.

    Or...maybe a better example...when students are teased, hassled and otherwise bothered by school bullies, the usual reply of the bully, is "awww...I was just havin' a little fun. He needs to learn to take it, or get some backbone..."...various forms of that....

    Why is the answer NOT that "bullies need to be re-educated and reigned in" ?

    Why are some posters here totally open about who and where they really are? (You could find out who Bill D is in 2 minutes of searching and drive right to my fron door....but I don't think I have ever seen anything which tells me ANY details about Nerd. I know it is intelligent and can spell and usually has reasonable things to say...but I am not even sure about gender) Is this important?...No, as Nerd doesn't seem to cause the polarization that some here do.

    This internet business is pretty new in the human experience. Many of our ways of communicating are being altered more rapidly than our psyches find comfortable...and some adapt more slowly, and 'maybe' some shouldn't try online forums at all....and perhaps some are borderline. That's what bell-shaped curves are about! I STILL see no need to make the online experience akin to a college fraternity hazing ritual, as Martin Gibson seems to take delight in. In many ways, he is a bigger problem than old .gargoyle, who gets so weird that it becomes a joke. Marin Gibson does not sound like he is joking, and if his 'projection' is merely an elaborate put-on, pardon me if I don't laugh at its wit.

    Like I say....I tend to aim towards MEETING as many nice people thru Mudcat as possible and enjoying music & talk with them...but I have my reservations about some.


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    From: Bill D
    Date: 27 Jul 04 - 01:03 PM

    oh...and by the way....I try VERY hard to add little bits to my posts to make my 'projection' as clear as possible. *grins* and emphasis and pauses and OTHER forms of emphasis are my feeble attempt to sound like I am talking. Smiley faces are used by some for the same purpose. ;>), but they are limited, and not even understood by everyone. I would prefer that everyone have a camera so that facial expressions could be added to the information during a discussion like this...and even an audio connection for certain times....and with technology, it is, of course possible, though not yet 'easy'....

    one old farts opinion...


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    From: harpgirl
    Date: 27 Jul 04 - 01:05 PM

    ...MG confuses me...in one breath he says he was 13 in 1963 and in the next that he is not in Don Meixner's generation...sounds kinda "Loopie" to me!! But heck, what do I know??? right MG??? WILL you explain this inconsistency to me???


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    From: GUEST,Blackcatter at work
    Date: 27 Jul 04 - 03:10 PM

    What really bothers me is when a guest starts a thread and asks a perfectly reasonable question (even if it is one answered 1000 times here before) and the first response is a nasty thing, usually posted by another "GUEST" who is some idiot trying to be funny (I assume, but could be wrong).

    It is one thing to be "funny," "combative," whatever in the BS realm as well as in a music thead once the person has been helped to some extent, but it really gives the Mudcat a bad reputation when innocent people come here looking for help and get grief.

    I got into a fight with an idiot a few months back who did that and he/she followed me around to all the threads and tried to slam me all the time, because I told him/her to f-off after posting a mean response to a perfectly good question by a "newbie." I also thied to answer the question and tell the newbie we're not all like the idiot.


    The other thing that bothers me is those new to Mudcat who make themselves at home so quickly. This is my problem, not theirs, of course and honestly is part of why Georgiansilver irks me. It probably took me 6 or more months of membership before I started a thread (nearly 5 years ago), yet GS has started a few having only been a mmeber for a few mnths. Like I said, that's my problem but it's not the only thing that frustrates me about him (sorrry to speak like you're not here GS).


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    Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
    From: Georgiansilver
    Date: 27 Jul 04 - 04:43 PM

    No problem GUEST Blackcatter at work....I still very much feel as though I am finding my way round here and the way to do it is to get involved. Sorry if that doesn't fit with your criteria but that's just me. Get put in my place a few times for whatever...have my signing off questioned....take insults from Martin Gibson....have PM's from people who tell me the things they said on the thread were only for effect....find a few people who are trading conversation honestly and openly....I am still learning about the Cat..I don't have your experience of it but am sure finding mine. Be Blessed.


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    Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
    From: Once Famous
    Date: 27 Jul 04 - 10:18 PM

    Jacqui C. So I piss you off? Moving up to an extra wide tampon should solve that problem.

    Don't be confused Harpgirl, I really was 13 in 1963. Therefore, it should not be so confusing to know that I was one in 1951.

    Bill D., did you get your psychology degree in a gumball machine? Your projection is kind of scary to me. I do agree sometimes with what you post, but it seems that you have the sense of humor of a moth. Have you tried anything to relax your sphincter?


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    Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
    From: GUEST,fred miller
    Date: 27 Jul 04 - 10:53 PM

    It's an interesting thing you mention, Nerd. One could find my house, and my name is blandly just my name. But even Vladimir Nabokov who required all interview questions submitted in writing, and proofed the galleys of his replies, and always spoke of his persona an invention and an illusion, and was utterly aloof from public opinion in virtually all matters--even he hoped he achieved some sort of agreeable effect.

       I don't object to insult and vulgarity, per se, it's just not as reliably funny as it was when I was say, nine. And it does derail some fun threads, and maybe kills one every now and then. I don't quite blame MG. His posts would be much more fun if followed by different sorts of replies, or sometimes none at all, by less consternated curliques and repeats, all turning out the same. at least to my taste.

    It's true I did once have a thread about my kids' band that Martin started noodling with, throwing in blowjob jokes and whatnot. But the thing that bothered me is I had read the same joke in other posts of his twice before, that week. If you want to play around, well, what? Are your writers on strike? Do you know so few jokes that a thread about 8 yr olds seems right for the bj one-liner? Whether Martin cares or not, he's usually a lame-ass wit, and I'm as entitled to say so as he is to be one. I didn't mind it much, and it was all right, but I guess some people might. Still, the coolness of this open forum is priceless--let offended people go to guitarnotes or somewhere with it's churchy moderated forums, sit in their seats, face straight ahead.

       Anyway, it's the interactions that often make a thread a fun and interesting event, not any one voice, or we could all just blog our own individual threads and follow our favorites.


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    Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
    From: Bill D
    Date: 28 Jul 04 - 12:04 AM

    well, Martin, I wasn't trying to BE funny right then...I'm pretty hilarious in other threads. (we moths have some very witty 'flame' remarks)

    Oh, you mean, perhaps, my failure to get YOUR humor! Those gumball machines diplomas don't cover analysis of humor based on insults and put-downs. (and you wouldn't want my sphincter relaxed much more. ;>)


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    Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
    From: Nerd
    Date: 28 Jul 04 - 12:58 AM

    I get what you're saying, BillD. I wasn't so much saying that people shouldn't be nicer, so much as saying it's unlikely they will be. Your analogy of the fair-skinned people is actually a good one: Fair-skinned people shouldn't go out in the sun, and if they do then it is up to them to protect themselves, because the sun isn't going to cool down for them. You can say anything you want about MG, he is a force of nature like the sun, consistent and thick-skinned. He isn't going to change just because people get mad at him.

    Perhaps being a native New Yorker has had an effect on me: sure, in a perfect world the muggers wouldn't be there, but seeing as they ARE there I had to be responsible for my safety growing up. Sometimes I got mugged. I didn't think it was MY fault, but I simply had to take what I got. I had no choice if I wanted to live my life.

    By the way, if you looked through all my posts, you'd find a lot that might identify me: I'm a folklorist, native New Yorker, now live in Philadelphia, have a wife (and thus am probably a man--in fact, I'll tell you now that I am) etc. So I'm not completely hiding. But there are many things you won't find out, including probably my name (though I have PMd it to a few people, so they could always spill the beans).

    But as you know, you can't be SURE I'm telling the truth. Maybe I'm a little old lady in Leningrad making Nerd up! Anyway, it's kind of a fun little game, how much each of us chooses to reveal.


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    Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
    From: M.Ted
    Date: 28 Jul 04 - 02:54 PM

    What you choose to reveal, and what you actually reveal are two different things--

    On one hand, it seems as if cyberspace is a place where you have total control of what people know about you--however, as in the non-cyber world, the things that people notice are often things that you are totally unaware of--and, because nothing ever disappears in cyberspace, everything you've ever posted and everything that has ever been posted about you is there for anyone that cares to see it--often enough to put together a good picture--


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    Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
    From: Once Famous
    Date: 28 Jul 04 - 09:11 PM

    Yeah, true.

    But I don't have to always be Martin Gibson. I could kill him off and start over at anytime and not really care. Maybe even sign off all my posts with "Have a nice day."


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    Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
    From: M.Ted
    Date: 28 Jul 04 - 09:32 PM

    You'd kill off Martin Gibson? After building up such an appreciative following? Folks would be disappointed. Besides, as I said, nothing ever disappears in cyberspace--you might think you've made a clean start, but there are fewer secrets here than you think--


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    From: Once Famous
    Date: 28 Jul 04 - 09:42 PM

    Perhaps, but acting is a fine art.

    You could always wear makeup and put on a fake accent.


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    From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
    Date: 28 Jul 04 - 11:08 PM

    martin gibson-you are rubbish, and just like makin g trouble, and i bet you don;t know shit about folk music, so just get lost.


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    Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
    From: M.Ted
    Date: 28 Jul 04 - 11:32 PM

    But they still recognize the pointed head from a mile away--not to mention the jake walk--


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    From: M.Ted
    Date: 28 Jul 04 - 11:34 PM

    You're a fine one to talk, John--


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    From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
    Date: 28 Jul 04 - 11:38 PM

    waht you on about mted, i know loads about folk music [i started the only folk club in hull] [see thread new folk club in hull], and i dont make trubble like him.


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    Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
    From: Cluin
    Date: 29 Jul 04 - 02:38 AM

    You started this thread which was meant to start trouble. Why did you do that?


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    Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
    From: GUEST,freda
    Date: 29 Jul 04 - 04:38 AM

    I've also been looking for the favourite mudcatters thread & can't find it.


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    Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
    From: GUEST,fred miller
    Date: 29 Jul 04 - 09:44 AM

    it was killed freda. got out of hand.


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    From: M.Ted
    Date: 29 Jul 04 - 11:12 AM

    He knows the difference between clawhammer and three-finger style banjo picking--


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    From: Blackcatter
    Date: 29 Jul 04 - 12:26 PM

    About $50,000 in plastic surgery,


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    Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
    From: GUEST,fred miller
    Date: 29 Jul 04 - 10:13 PM

    well there's a difference between fun trouble, which I like as much as anyone, and nastiness. But we each are entitled to our own sense of which is which. When it isn't fun it would be a good idea to ignore it instead of drawing it out endlessly--why try to debate someone who's baiting you, except for sport? Even answering an annoyance is a wee bit fun, or vaguely satisfying, like swatting at a mosquito.

    The people here who piss me off are the ones who don't think I'm as funny as I think I am, which is, apparently, all of you. damn you, damn you all.


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    From: Blackcatter
    Date: 29 Jul 04 - 10:17 PM

    Now that's funny!


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    Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
    From: Once Famous
    Date: 30 Jul 04 - 03:14 PM

    John from Hull:

    Your act here is so stale. John from Dull is really more like it.


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    Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
    From: Georgiansilver
    Date: 30 Jul 04 - 07:36 PM

    Still persisting with the puerile name calling Martin. Please take up the literal challenges on the Feuds that are not feuds" and Mudcat bad writing contest" threads. Prove something to us all...like you have some ability other than expletives or downing others...


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    Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
    From: Paul from Hull
    Date: 31 Jul 04 - 05:59 AM

    His act?

    Youre actually very much mistaken....

    Unlike yourself, there is nothing of the 'act' about the noble Sir jOhn that I can see...


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    Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
    From: jacqui.c
    Date: 31 Jul 04 - 07:42 AM

    Sir jOhn invariably makes me laugh Martin. You just leave a bad taste in the mouth with every post.


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    From: GUEST,Disillusioned
    Date: 31 Jul 04 - 09:11 AM

    Kind of agree Jacqui, but, at least MG makes no bones of his pleasure at insulting people, especially women, and in the most derogatory fashion. He is easy to dismiss then, because he has said, " This is me, like it or lump it."

    I find the so-called good guys who are clamouring to be in MG's gang, alot more distasteful, they are so scared of being singled out for a tongue-lashing, they applaud/ignore/laugh at his nastiness....the sort of kids who simper after the school bully.


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    From: M.Ted
    Date: 31 Jul 04 - 11:24 AM

    That "John from Dull" was very funny, Martin--


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    From: Little Hawk
    Date: 31 Jul 04 - 12:08 PM

    Yeah, fred!


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    From: GUEST
    Date: 31 Jul 04 - 12:30 PM

    I've never met a bully who wasn't also a coward.


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    From: Nerd
    Date: 31 Jul 04 - 12:48 PM

    I find the so-called good guys who are clamouring to be in MG's gang, alot more distasteful, they are so scared of being singled out for a tongue-lashing, they applaud/ignore/laugh at his nastiness....the sort of kids who simper after the school bully.

    I presume this is directed at me, since I defended MG on this thread.

    My real reson for enjoying MG is simply that I have a rather puerile sense of humor which I am too polite to let out very often. I admit it's my own hangup, but you're interpreting too much if you assume he has a "gang" or if anyone wants to be "in his gang." I personally am not afraid of anything and would welcome a tongue-lashing, provided it was funny. If MG merely said "fuck you" to me it would be disappointing (though even then it would not bother me), but if he somehow introduced rhinoceros semen into the equation (as he did on another thread) I'd be delighted.

    Here's what I don't get: how can someone be seriously hurt/insulted by a guy they don't really know and who doesn't really know them? If my wife insults me, it hurts. If someone here insults me, it kinda rolls off, leaving only the humor of the insult behind. But we've been through this already...


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    From: Little Hawk
    Date: 31 Jul 04 - 01:03 PM

    There's no point at all in getting upset over that kind of stuff on the Net. If you do, it doesn't get you anywhere useful, and it just makes you a mark for further such attacks. If you find it amusing, however, then you are having a good time and it doesn't matter. If the other person is having a good time too, then so much the better.


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    Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
    From: CarolC
    Date: 31 Jul 04 - 01:35 PM

    Down here in the BS section, LH and Nerd have a point (sort of). But up in the music section, an intrusion into a serious music discussion by soneone who has no interest in discussing the subject of the thread, but is only looking to get their jollies at the expense of the others in the thread with puerile behavior and gutter language, is rude and in bad form. I'm not pointing fingers at anyone in particular... just pointing out the fact that it does sometimes happen.


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    Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
    From: Nerd
    Date: 31 Jul 04 - 03:02 PM

    Yes, that's true, CarolC. It can get in the way of threads to which there is an actual purpose!


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    From: Little Hawk
    Date: 31 Jul 04 - 03:44 PM

    Oh, it's definitely rude and in bad form, all right, but there's still no use letting it mess up your head and put you in a bad mood. It's not like the person was invading your home, after all. You can just ignore them and continue enjoying yourself regardless. What can they do?


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    From: CarolC
    Date: 31 Jul 04 - 04:16 PM

    I agree with you, LH. Best thing to do is ignore them.


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    Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
    From: Clinton Hammond
    Date: 31 Jul 04 - 04:41 PM

    Someone needs to BRONZE this thread as a fine example of what Mudcat is really like!

    It needs to be perma-threaded and all newbies should have to read it before they are allowed to post...

    Think of the bandwidth this place WOULDN'T take up then....


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    Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
    From: GUEST,fred miller
    Date: 31 Jul 04 - 07:09 PM

    Disillusioned guest--I enjoy a comparison that is overwhelmingly wrong. It's what I love about conservative pundits, and fondly remember from those golden Reagan years when he made us all feel good again by sheer force of sincere-sounding nonsense. So thanks for sharing. if you read what people have actually said, though, it's less like a bully's gang, more like people who extend some tolerance toward the stinky kid.


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    From: GUEST
    Date: 01 Aug 04 - 04:55 AM

    In defence of stinky kids everywhere, soap and water would not make MG smell any sweeter. A few sessions on a couch may do the trick.


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    Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
    From: Once Famous
    Date: 01 Aug 04 - 11:02 AM

    Guest, please fuck yourself with an active blow torch. Or at least use a 2 day old burrito. Obviously you are the coward and have some big hang-ups.

    JacquiC are you:

    a) a nun
    b) a nun who owns a vibrator.
    c) a nun who owns a 2 way dildeaux (notice the correct French spelling)
    d) nun of the above, just a whiner, possibly a fundamentalist Christian from Nebraska.


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    Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
    From: Georgiansilver
    Date: 01 Aug 04 - 11:10 AM

    Gibson. You are a total wimp. Meet the challenges you have been given on Mudcat and prove you have something other than insults and expletives.


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    From: GUEST
    Date: 01 Aug 04 - 12:17 PM

    Ummmm poor old MG wonder which woman made him feel inadequate in his formative years?


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    Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
    From: Georgiansilver
    Date: 01 Aug 04 - 12:27 PM

    Might have been a man.....


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    From: jacqui.c
    Date: 01 Aug 04 - 01:20 PM

    Martin - unlike you I have nothing to hide and you can find my profile on Mudcat.

    To answer your query - nun of the above. I'm not even a Christian and I've never been to Nebraska.


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    Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
    From: DougR
    Date: 01 Aug 04 - 01:25 PM

    Nope Nerd, you never have succeeded in pissing ME off, though I evidently have an unintended talent for it myself. No apology necessary here.

    DougR


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    From: akenaton
    Date: 01 Aug 04 - 03:56 PM

    Doug....I have....framed on my wall,one of my proudest posessions.


    A post from you that says *I*   piss you off....Ake


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    From: Little Hawk
    Date: 01 Aug 04 - 06:34 PM

    Is this the fake feuding thread or am I in the wrong place?

    I think Clinton's idea of bronzing this thread is one of the few good ideas Clinton has ever had. Let's do it.


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    Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
    From: Blackcatter
    Date: 01 Aug 04 - 07:23 PM

    Y'all are funny.


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    From: DougR
    Date: 01 Aug 04 - 09:08 PM

    Well, AKE, I suppose you MAY be an exception.

    DougR


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    From: GUEST,William Shatner
    Date: 01 Aug 04 - 09:31 PM

    I have compassion for all the good folks at Mudcat, even if some of them desperately need to "Get a Life". (big grin) Which reminds me, have you read my book of the same title? (breathing on right hand and vigorously polishing chest with it)


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    Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
    From: jacqui.c
    Date: 02 Aug 04 - 01:39 AM

    Glory be - Marty goes for a week's rest and we gain Mr Shatner. We really are blessed!


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    From: GUEST,Fred miller
    Date: 02 Aug 04 - 01:59 AM

    Exactly, Little Hawk. No one can be a virtual bully unless you allow them to. Why would you?

    I can only imagine that what Martin finds funny in his bit is how easy it is to mess with people--he seems to make a point never to try hard, never to be very sharp or interesting, in his routine. There are other posts when he is maybe just himself, has opinions, says things, but that's a different line.

    I once had to review a couple of books of short-stories that were so awful I had trouble imagining they were written in any kind of earnest. It was a personal crisis in a weird way. I had to review them, I'd said I would, so I couldn't do the easy thing and ignore them. But as I dutifully plowed through them I began to imagine they were artfully contrived to be really terrible--they had to be. And I didn't know what to think of them, quite. Bad stuff can be as interesting as good stuff, in it's way. It's all the stuff in between that dulls our senses, makes us dull.
       
       So, sincerely. Other mudcatters who piss me off are the ones who offer parroty-mediocre "observations" and never risk pissing anyone off by saying what they really think they think. Even those who we disagree with, violently, mean more to us than that. A bigot is better than a stealth-bigot, for example, I think. If your views make you sound wrong, it's still right to try to say them properly.

    The problem with the Favourites thread is that it's hard to answer--you forget who all said what or whose name is which. I forgot Peg and McGrath and Bobert--although I have trouble with Bobert because I get drawn into his style but then can't do it, myself, I can't even bring myself to order a po'boy sandwich at the Hoka in Oxford MS so I have to order something other than what I really want--and John in Kansas who probably doesn't reciprocate it and others who I can't mention now because they've said nice things to me and so it's too late to bring it up.

    This thread has gone a long ways without many real answers to the question, which is really a fair question to ask, I think, among grown-ups.


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    Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
    From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
    Date: 05 Aug 04 - 11:56 PM

    Who is William Shatner?


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    Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
    From: DougR
    Date: 06 Aug 04 - 01:39 AM

    Glad you asked, John. William Shatner is Little Hawk's third cousin twice removed. He has had difficulty finding work lately, and L. H. has been trying to help him along to find ganefull employmement. Trouble is most of the outer-space jobs have been outsourced to India. That's why Shatner has been selling himself on motel commercials, and L. H. has been brushing up on his Indianese language.

    Hope this clears things up for you.

    DougR


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    Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatr people waht piss you off?
    From: jacqui.c
    Date: 06 Aug 04 - 01:42 AM

    He should send that hairpiece out to find work - it would probably stand a better chance. Maybe it could write a book - 'My Life Covering Shatner'.


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