Origin: Glencoe Massacre (Jim McLean)

Subject: RE: Who wrote Glencoe Massacre
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Jul 03 - 11:16 AM

It sure is! Can't wait for the book!

Subject: RE: Who wrote Glencoe Massacre
From: Abby Sale
Date: 20 Jul 03 - 01:31 PM

It is hopefully now clear that there are two songs "Massacre of Glencoe."   Anne Cormack's early explanation and then Malcolm Douglas' one of 23 Jul 02, supra, refer to the trad-but-obscure one. It is only unfortunate that McLean chose an existing title for his fine song.

Still, his seems more commonly known as "Ballad of..." or just "Glencoe" so when it's either of those titles it shouldn't be a problem.

Refer to Flora - Massacre for words very similar to Greig~Duncan. The next post there is Malcolm's rendering of the G~D (Duncan's) tune.

Note that both Greig and Duncan each collected a version (both called "Massacre of Glencoe") so it must have had some prevalence in NE Scotland at the time - 1906 & 1908.

Subject: RE: Origin: Glencoe Massacre (Jim McLean)
From: GUEST,Andrew MacDonald Stewart
Date: 07 Aug 12 - 11:43 PM

The songs melody is from a pipe tune written in the early 1900's by on of the pipe majors of The 48th Highlanders of Canada. The tune is a 6/8 march called Lt Col Robertson.

Subject: RE: Origin: Glencoe Massacre (Jim McLean)
From: GUEST,Andrew MacDonald Stewart
Date: 07 Aug 12 - 11:50 PM

The composer of the melody was Farquhar Beaton:

http://regimentalpipers.com/48pd/history/beaton.html


http://www.pipetunes.ca/browseproducts.asp

Subject: RE: Origin: Glencoe Massacre (Jim McLean)
From: meself
Date: 08 Aug 12 - 01:17 AM

Jim McLean may beg to differ - that is, if you are talking about his song, and not the trad. one ....

Subject: RE: Origin: Glencoe Massacre (Jim McLean)
From: Jim McLean
Date: 08 Aug 12 - 06:52 AM

I gave a full derivation of my tune some years ago on mudcat. As a piper I was aware of Colonel Robertson and also Burns's song Sweetest May. The latter's tune is Kinloch of Kinloch which I found in Johnson's Musical Museum and predates Blow the Wind Southerly which copied the first part of Kinloch. I reduced Col. Robertson to 3/4 and changed a few bars to suit my words and MCPS and the PRS then credited me with composing a new tune ... all this info was made freely to the aforementioned bodies and Mudcat, as I said, many years ago.

Subject: RE: Origin: Glencoe Massacre (Jim McLean)
From: meself
Date: 08 Aug 12 - 10:13 AM

Ah - there we have it (and apparently not for the first time) - from the endlessly patient man himself. Our collective thanks (if I may presume to speak for the rest of the world, as well as for myself).

Subject: RE: Origin: Glencoe Massacre (Jim McLean)
From: GUEST,DonMeixner
Date: 08 Aug 12 - 10:59 AM

Hi Jim,

Long time admirer of your music. The Massacre of Glencoe is a great song, thanks for writing it and putting it out there.

Don

Subject: RE: Origin: Glencoe Massacre (Jim McLean)
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 08 Aug 12 - 06:32 PM

I just recently learned that my family is related to the MacDonald Clan. This has been interesting.

Subject: RE: Origin: Glencoe Massacre (Jim McLean)
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Aug 18 - 07:15 PM

hi Jim,
The Massacre of Glen Coe...
Perhaps you can tell me if the reason the MacDonald chief went to register at the wrong place was because someone misled him? .. deliberately gave him the wrong information?
Thanks
Janet
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Subject: RE: Origin: Glencoe Massacre (Jim McLean)
From: Jim McLean
Date: 02 Aug 18 - 05:16 AM

Janet, if you go here https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_Glencoe
you will get all the information.
Regards, Jim

Subject: RE: Origin: Glencoe Massacre (Jim McLean)
From: GUEST,akenaton
Date: 02 Aug 18 - 07:17 AM

Well, I'm a Macdonald from my grandmother, but from what I have read on Scottish history, the Glencoe massacre ranks pretty far down in level compared to some of the inter clan atrocities committed in previous centuries.

Perhaps "Glencoe" has been politicised in modern times to fit the political purpose?

Subject: RE: Origin: Glencoe Massacre (Jim McLean)
From: GUEST,Ann Haralambie
Date: 06 Mar 23 - 01:29 PM

I have written an adoption search and reunion memoir and want to reprint the lyrics to the Massacre of Glencoe for an indy publication. Where can I get reprint permission?

Subject: RE: Origin: Glencoe Massacre (Jim McLean)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 06 Mar 23 - 06:19 PM

If you don't know the answer, don't chase people away from Mudcat. We are not a copyright clearance site, but we can often put people in touch with songwriters so you can get copyright permission. Jim McLean watches most threads about his songs, and Mudcat IS a good place for people to get copyright permission for folk genre songs that aren't listed on the major licensing organizations. We put people in direct, personal contact with the songwriters - and we have done this for years.

We'll put the person in touch with Jim McLean. Ann, Jim has posted his address here as [e-mail]. If you have any trouble contacting him, email me.
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Subject: RE: Origin: Glencoe Massacre (Jim McLean)
From: Jim McLean
Date: 08 Mar 23 - 02:50 AM

Thanks, Joe, all sorted.