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Subject: BS: IRS to be turned loose on Dems... From: Bobert Date: 28 Nov 04 - 07:16 PM Oh, those wacky Repubs! Looks like, unbeknownst to too many folks in the media, they snuck a provison into last weeks funding bill that allows any comittee chairperson (100% Repubs) to have access of tax returns of anyone they want... Ahhhh, can anyone explain how using the IRS to stiffle descent and harass yer political opponents fits into these high values the Repubs say they represent? (But, Bobert, you're a Green. Why would you care what either the Dems or Repubs do???...) Okay, the Dems and Repubs ain't nuthin' mush more than rival fraternities but I'm still curious about the values thing... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: IRS to be turned loose on Dems... From: Little Hawk Date: 28 Nov 04 - 07:21 PM IRS? That's the "Infernal Raping Service" isn't it? |
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Subject: RE: BS: IRS to be turned loose on Dems... From: CarolC Date: 28 Nov 04 - 07:23 PM I think we should all have access to the tax returns of everyone in Congress (and the people who work for them), the president's cabinet, all people who work in any way with or for the president, and all lobbyists and lobbying organizations. |
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Subject: RE: BS: IRS to be turned loose on Dems... From: Amos Date: 28 Nov 04 - 07:36 PM That would be helpful indeed, Carol, if there were any way to ensure those returns were truthful! A |
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Subject: RE: BS: IRS to be turned loose on Dems... From: Peace Date: 28 Nov 04 - 07:57 PM Hear, hear, Carol. |
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Subject: RE: BS: IRS to be turned loose on Dems... From: DougR Date: 29 Nov 04 - 12:11 AM Well I certainly hope so! I'll bet George Soros could stand a good looking into by the IRS myself. After all the millions he put into his failed attempt to defeat George W. Bush, he might be tempted to hide some of those dollars by claiming a donation to the Boy Scouts or something. Oops, bad choice..Boy Scouts profess to love God and country. Er, ah, ok, how about the ACLU? DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: IRS to be turned loose on Dems... From: Peace Date: 29 Nov 04 - 12:17 AM Turn the IRS loose on the whole damned Congress. Make it fair. |
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Subject: RE: BS: IRS to be turned loose on Dems... From: Stilly River Sage Date: 29 Nov 04 - 12:22 AM You wish, DougR. Soros has been quite candid in his politics and financial dealings. Do you think Richard Sciafe could stand such a withering gaze? Oh wait, he won't have to. He's a republican and has bought his way to a safe position, after making life hell for the Clinton's for 8 years or more. Soros funded public organizations, he didn't try to prosecute Bush (who is seen by many as a war criminal so SHOULD be prosecuted). Big difference. It was a democratic staffer who caught the line, inserted by the aid of a republican congressman from Oklahoma who is in the position to cause havok with Inquisition-style audits if he wanted. Congress is supposed to "fix" this problem next week. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: IRS to be turned loose on Dems... From: Uncle_DaveO Date: 29 Nov 04 - 09:51 AM I understand, from NPR yesterday, that a large number of congressmen were shocked to learn of this provision sort of hidden in the depths of the bill, and it looks like it will be repealed rather quickly. Trouble is, big "must pass" legislation like the budget seems almost made for this kind of rider. Almost nobody (and that's charitable, 'almost') actually reads these big omnibus type bills, and where they are submitted on a rush basis it's almost impossible to know what is being voted on. Dave Oesterreich |
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Subject: RE: BS: IRS to be turned loose on Dems... From: Little Hawk Date: 29 Nov 04 - 10:12 AM There IS life AFTER partisan politics, Doug! :-) You oughta try it out for size, and so should some others (on both sides of the divide). It's a whole new look at things, like a breath of fresh air. |
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Subject: RE: BS: IRS to be turned loose on Dems... From: CarolC Date: 29 Nov 04 - 11:47 AM There IS life AFTER partisan politics Not really, LH. After so many decades of being crooked, the bones tend to calcify in that position and they can't be straightened back out again. |
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Subject: RE: BS: IRS to be turned loose on Dems... From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 29 Nov 04 - 02:32 PM Almost nobody (and that's charitable, 'almost') actually reads these big omnibus type bills Maybe they'll know better in future. |
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Subject: RE: BS: IRS to be turned loose on Dems... From: GUEST Date: 29 Nov 04 - 03:12 PM It's not a question of "knowing better," McGrath. There simply isn't time to read a thousand page document when it is submitted 24 hours before a vote. |
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Subject: RE: BS: IRS to be turned loose on Dems... From: Bev and Jerry Date: 29 Nov 04 - 03:31 PM We propose that congress, especially the house, should adopt a rule whereby the minimum time between introduction of a bill and voting on it is proportional to the number of pages in the bill. Say, one hour for each five pages. That way, a one thousand page bill could not be voted on for 200 hours or about 10 days. Seems fair to us. Bev and Jerry |
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Subject: RE: BS: IRS to be turned loose on Dems... From: CarolC Date: 29 Nov 04 - 04:18 PM Bev and Jerry, that's a great idea. Only one problem though. If they adopted such a rule, then they would actually have to read the legislation they're passing. I'm thinking you won't find very many legislators who would go along with such a plan. |
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Subject: RE: BS: IRS to be turned loose on Dems... From: GUEST Date: 29 Nov 04 - 04:25 PM No, their staffers would still read it. Think about it...100 pages a day for each bill on the table? I can't imagine any member of congress spending that much time reading bills and still doing the rest of their job. The time Bev and Jerry suggest will be helpful to the process because the congresspeoples' staff members will have enough time to comb each bill for this kind of crap. |
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Subject: RE: BS: IRS to be turned loose on Dems... From: CarolC Date: 29 Nov 04 - 05:07 PM Do the staffers actually read everything now? And would they if the rule was adopted? It is a great idea if it would be used in the way it's intended. |
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Subject: RE: BS: IRS to be turned loose on Dems... From: Bobert Date: 29 Nov 04 - 05:10 PM Heck, making the legislative process dohings that are fair or right ain't never gonna happen... Look at the Dems in the 1990's... They did some of the same dirty ricks as the Repubs are doing now... Only diffefrence is that more and more legislation is being written bylobbiests... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: IRS to be turned loose on Dems... From: Bev and Jerry Date: 29 Nov 04 - 06:11 PM You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink even if you give him 100 hours to do it! On the other hand, he shouldn't complain about being thirsty. Bev and Jerry |
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Subject: RE: BS: IRS to be turned loose on Dems... From: GUEST,Frank Date: 30 Nov 04 - 11:24 AM Using the IRS as a weapon is nothing new. It's so obvious that those that really need to be investigated aren't. Tom DeLay? Ken Lay? Halliburton? Enron? Arthur Andersen? They all went away. None of them went to jail for their crimes. Only Martha Stewart. The IRS is a governmental agency that is controlled by the prevalent Party in power. This is true of the governmental statistical agencies as well. GAO and CBO. Most of the people who are using the IRS against poorer people are those who are tax-evaders, corporate cheats, and congressional dead-beats. Tax reform should include those who get away without paying anything to support government programs that help the poor, unisured children, benefits that amount to something to returning vets, head-start, Pell Grants and taking care of America's infrastructure among other important items. These corporate and congressional criminals are unAmerican and subversive. Frank |
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Subject: RE: BS: IRS to be turned loose on Dems... From: CarolC Date: 30 Nov 04 - 12:16 PM You know, I think this time in the history of the US is an excellent opportunity for those of us who remain here to learn some very valuable lessons. I was watching a movie yesterday about a man from a former soviet country who was forced by a small minded US immigrations offical to live in an airport terminal for nine months. He spoke very little English, but by golly, he understood the bureaucratic process. Now is a good time to learn how to work with our corrupt government officials! I can see the potential for making quite a lot of money for the right sort of entrepreneurs... a whole course, college major even: Even You Can Learn to Work the System. Bribery 101, Bureaucratic Reshuffling 203, and the senior level course... Extortion and Blackmail 406. |
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Subject: RE: BS: IRS to be turned loose on Dems... From: DougR Date: 30 Nov 04 - 01:04 PM Guest Frank: I don't know what world you live in, but here on earth, anyone who reads a newspaper (even a biased one) knows that several Enron officers are "doing time" and a cell is being readied for Ken Lay AND his wife. Arthur Anderson did not get away scot free either. As to Delay and Halliburton, have either of them been convicted of committing a crime? If so, I'm not aware of it. Martha is in prison because she committed a crime and was found guilty. DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: IRS to be turned loose on Dems... From: Little Hawk Date: 30 Nov 04 - 01:32 PM Plus...she got chosen to be made an example of for some reason. |
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Subject: RE: BS: IRS to be turned loose on Dems... From: Stilly River Sage Date: 30 Nov 04 - 03:58 PM Martha was not convicted on anything to do with the sale of her stock, DougR, she was convicted on one of those recently devised "lying to investigators" crimes. It's the kind of charge that shouldn't be allowed to be used if there is not actually enough evidence to charge an individual with a "real" crime. People have responded to this argument with the example "Al Capone wasn't charged on bootlegging, the IRS got him on tax evasion." Like bootlegging was a crime and tax evasion wasn't? He was guilty of multiple crimes. I don't think the case can be made that Martha was guilty of any crimes, only of dithering when she described her actions regarding an email she received (she deleted it then undeleted it, realizing it was probably something she should leave alone). Even though she's serving this time to get it out of the way she still has an appeal on file. She's smart--and realizes that even if she were to file and win the appeal, all of the time until that trial and during it would be the same as serving a long prison sentence, because she couldn't get any other kind of work done due to the cloud over her. This way it's out of the way, and perhaps she'll get a good book out of it, and she'll be able to move forward whatever the outcome of the appeal. DeLay hasn't been charged, but I live in hope that Ronnie Earle is not only able to charge him but to take him down. Now we'll see how long he can serve the republican party from prison. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: IRS to be turned loose on Dems... From: Bobert Date: 30 Nov 04 - 04:43 PM Gotta agree with you on DeLay... He is a little punk as far as I can see. He reminds me of a kid I went to high school with who couldn't fight his way out of a wet paper bag but had money and paid a couple of thug bully kids to beat up anyone this kid wanted beat up... That's Tom Delay... A punk and a cheat and a liar and probably the one of the most dengerous Repubs in office because everyone is so afraid of him. I'm not! I'd love to haqve him come up to my door without one of his thugs and invite me out into the front yard for a little fisticuffs... Yeah, I'd love it... The little punk... and any one who knows the little cheatin' weisel can pass those sentiments on to him... I'll duke it out with that washrag crybaby anywhere, any time... Grrrrrrrrr..... How can any thinking person see any value in this parasite? Bobert (But Bobert, atrn't you all peace loving and non-violent?) Hey, not when it comes to bullies... I'd see it as defending the good folks in America... Hey, I didn't say I'd kill the punk. Just put a good whuppin' on him... |
