BS: A Prayerful Inauguration

Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration
From: Joe Offer
Date: 26 Jan 05 - 07:00 PM

Oh, well, another day at Mudcat. Amos and Martin ruining another interesting discussion, thinking it's far more important to prove which one's the bigger asshole. I guess I'll close this thread and let it cool.
Feel free to start another thread on this topic, but keep the animosity out of it.
Thanks.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration
From: Amos
Date: 26 Jan 05 - 06:29 PM

Hell, Martin, I thought we were gettin' somewhere with the music viewpoints in the purist thread, but here you go again. Tell ya what -- I'm prepared to have you tell me what you think if you're prepared to receive the same. Hell, I'll go further -- I'm prepared to match the degree of sincerity and coherence and respect in my messages to you as I see in yours to other folks, fair enough?

A

Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Jan 05 - 06:13 PM

Then that merely shows just how dumb you are.

Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration
From: Once Famous
Date: 26 Jan 05 - 05:54 PM

Pretty hard to censor a big mouth egomanic like amos. i don't try to censor him. Why censor something that is just so ridiculously entertaining?

I've said it before, say what you want. but be prepared to be told your thoughts are dumb if I think they are.

Karl Rove fashion?

As opposed to what? John Kerry fashion? what a moron.

Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration
From: Once Famous
Date: 26 Jan 05 - 05:51 PM

Limey alert.

Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Jan 05 - 05:39 PM

And PMs from hundreds of supporters? Not bloody likely. The only supporter Martin Gibson has is of the athletic type, and he bought that cheap from Wal-Mart.

Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Jan 05 - 05:35 PM

It's obvious to anyone who has followed this and other threads that it is not Amos who is stalking Martin Gibson, it is Martin Gibson who is stalking Amos. MG disagrees with what Amos is saying, so in typical Karl Rove style, he is using character assasination. He's attempting to divert people's attention from the real issues by trying to make Amos sound like some sort of dope-smoking hippy goof.

What does this all mean? It means that what Martin Gibson is really trying to do is censor Amos. Or anyone else that he disagrees with.

Martin Gibson is a foul mouthed fascist.

Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration
From: Amos
Date: 26 Jan 05 - 05:18 PM

Up yours, Martin; your abusive practices have gone to far, and you're reaping what you sowed.

The only thing that happened to my marbles, you two-bit ass, is that you finally brought them down on your micro-cephaic head. But go roll around in your PMS, if it pleasures your dumbkopf self.

A

Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration
From: Once Famous
Date: 26 Jan 05 - 04:28 PM

I have the PMs, Mick. Do you read and count everyone's PMs here Mick? I wouldn't put it past you.

And I do not have low self esteem. In fact, I have an ego that some have said is a bit bloated. What's creditionals do you have for your psychiatric analysis? Your big ass?

I figured you out to Mick, early on. One of the Mudcat elite who frown upon your narrow vision of what this place is supposed to be about.

Talk about someone who is miserable..................

Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration
From: Once Famous
Date: 26 Jan 05 - 04:07 PM

amos, if you will notice, you have been stalking me.

Pretty obsessive.

I have 100's of PMs from many different supporters who have enjoyed how I have stood up to you and exposed you for your phoniness.

wasn't long ago how you were spouting about the use of bad language.

Look at you now. You are at the end of your rope.

And to paraphrase your last rant:

"So I am not putting up with him anymore. There is some shit I will not eat."   so there is some you will?

"Act like a cocksucker, get treated like a cocksucker, is what the Good Book says."   what good book was that? How to win at being a fag?

What a dope. What a riot.

Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration
From: Amos
Date: 26 Jan 05 - 03:20 PM

I'll tell you what it is, Doug, since you were kind enough to ask. Martin has gone too far; he has been needling and falsifying and distorting communications around here, pickingon people, throwing his imaginary weight around and bullyragging others, calling them names, seeking to insult them, and generally acting like an abusive, self-centered bully. And I have had enough of it.

He is just a shit, a shit who acts like a cocksucker, with no manners and no value to add to the community here, except for some half-assed opinions about guitars. And that small value is significantly outweighed by the upsets he has caused.

So I am not putting up with him anymore. There is some shit I will not eat.

Anytime either of you want to talk -- meaning communicate -- just let me know. If all you can do is rag and needle, then you're both off my list and you will get what you earn.

Right now Martin has earned disdain and rejection. It's what he sows, all over.

Act like a cocksucker, get treated like a cocksucker, is what the Good Book says.


A

Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration
From: Once Famous
Date: 26 Jan 05 - 03:03 PM

The pot has been smoking too much pot.

Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration
From: DougR
Date: 26 Jan 05 - 01:43 PM

Amos: Did you intentionally post those quotes from Letterman, Leno, et al on this thread? I thought perhaps you were confused thinking you were in your own personal thread (What most folks think about the BA).

Your post at 2:50PM on Jan. 25, and the one on the same date at 4:22PM (and a few others) replying to Martin confuses me a bit. Is the pot calling the kettle black?

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration
From: Amos
Date: 26 Jan 05 - 01:20 PM

Like President Bush, Martin, you will have to get used to the fact that there isn't going to be a parade every day. And yours was just called off on account of rain. Some one discovered what a shit you really are inside your jolly exterior.

A

Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration
From: Once Famous
Date: 26 Jan 05 - 12:35 PM

So, deal with it , Guest. I'm glad that you are bent out of shape over it. I enjoy my space and am glad you keep reading my posts. thanks!

Amos lost his marbles some time ago when he was diagnosed with an obsessive liberal mental disorder.

Three posts in a row pissing and moaning from one of society's true misfits.

Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Jan 05 - 12:27 PM

Martin, Amos didn't lose anything. But you never had anything to lose. You're not even a loser because you never even had it in the first place. You are and always have been just a stupid waste of space.

Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Jan 05 - 11:36 AM

More aggressive? Invade Iran. If it happens, I guarantee an even bigger round of aggression there than what we have yet seen from Mr Bush. Attack Syria. Major aggression possibilities. Attack Korea. Even bigger possibilities. Drop a few nukes on someone. I feel that Mr Bush still has significant new territory to expand into on this one.

Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration
From: Amos
Date: 26 Jan 05 - 11:29 AM

Some people have been criticizing President Bush for spending $40 million on his inauguration. Give the guy a break, he's excited – this is the first time Bush has been elected.


President Bush was sworn in on a Bible and Dick Cheney will be sworn in on the "Physician's Desk Reference" book.


Actually, Cheney was sworn in a few minutes before President Bush. So technically, for a few minutes, it was almost as if Dick Cheney was running the country.

Earlier tonight the Bush administration unveiled a new dance at the inaugural balls. It's called the Iraqi misstep.


CNN is reporting that a longtime friend of President Bush says that Bush is telling everyone, in the next four years he intends to be "really aggressive." "Really aggressive"? In the past four years we launched, what, two wars? What's "really aggressive" going to look like? What, are we gonna bomb Canada now? How much more aggressive can we get?


The New York Post reports John Kerry and Al Gore are going to run in 2008. Upon hearing this, President Bush said, "Goody, I can win a third term

Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration
From: Amos
Date: 26 Jan 05 - 11:15 AM

The inauguration was a huge success. President Bush raised $40 million.


It was a very big night for the Bush family. This morning the Bush twins were found in Lincoln's lap.


(Letterman)

Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration
From: Amos
Date: 26 Jan 05 - 11:09 AM

As you know, President Bush had his swearing-in yesterday. In fact, a lot of Democrats are still swearing.


The inauguration was a very emotional moment. Laura Bush had tears in her eyes, the president's mom, Barbara Bush, had tears in her eyes ... John Kerry had tears in his eyes.


This was kind of sad – today President Bush went back out to Pennsylvania Avenue and sat in the reviewing stand. He thought there was going to be a parade every day.

Here's an interesting bit of inaugural trivia. Do you know which of our elected presidents had the shortest inaugural speech? Al Gore.


As I'm sure you saw, there were ten inaugural balls and President Bush attended every one, including the Texas National Guard Ball ... but no one recalls seeing him there.


(Leno)

Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration
From: dianavan
Date: 26 Jan 05 - 04:15 AM

Martin's theme song:


I see the lights, I see the party lights

Thy're red and blue and green

Everybody in the crowd is there

But they won't let me make the scene.


He was a big loser in the sixties and he felt left out because he kept hearing about free love but none of the women would have him. He gets his revenge by trying to be the biggest, baddest guy on the Mudcat. How sad is that?

The sixties are over, Martin. Get over it. It happened a long time ago.

Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration
From: Bill D
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 06:35 PM

gosh, kids!

Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration
From: Once Famous
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 04:55 PM

I still say success, amos. they do know how to make hot dogs in chicago.

I don't think there are as many kind and gentle folks as you think here, amos. True, there are some good ones, and their are some real socioligical psychological losers, also.

I think the opposite of you and have told you this over and over. You can't accept it. Others have jumped in and also PM'd me enjoying that I don't buy into your vision of America or vision of much of anything you say. and know you have exposed yourself for the abusive phony you have always been.

You've snapped.

You need some time off. Look how abusive you have become.   Me, I'm not going anywhere. If you don't want to mix with me, stay out of the posts that I comment on. You are about as light-hearted in life as an elephant turd.

Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration
From: Amos
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 04:22 PM

Jesus Christ, droid-brain, if all you were doing all that baiting for was for me to insult you, you might have said so, and I would have told you what an irredeemable useless jerk-off you are long ago, because you haven't changed a whit since you first decided to abuse the overly kind and gentle folks here. Not because they particularly deserved abuse, but just because you could. As ofr losing an argument, I don't recall having one with your empty shit-sack of a face. You turned every dialogue I tried to open with you into an insult spree with no more content than a third-graders scrotum, which is what you acted like -- a pretense at something important with no content of value.

Thanks for the kind offer, but they don't know how to make hot dogs in Chicago.

They make first-rate dicks, though, so you must have gotten confused at an early age and gotten accustomed to chewing on the wrong ones. Why don't you just face the fact that you are a shit? At least its a starting point. Success? Sure if you want to call standing on your head in a cesspool success. Enjoy the atmosphere, you abusive turd. But do it somewhere else.

A

Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration
From: Once Famous
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 04:10 PM

Amos

You sure don't look like the pseudo-intellectual you pretend to be.

In fact, your diatribe just makes you look like a common idiot who has nothing else to say when they lose an arguement or have their ego inflated.

SUCCESS!

I love it!

TAKE A LOOK AT THE WORDS YOU WRITE, AMOS! I HAVE SUCCESSFULLY EXPOSED YOU FOR THE PHONY YOU ARE! LET'S GO OUT AND GET A HOT DOG TOGETHER!

Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration
From: Amos
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 02:50 PM

I take it you don't believe in any of those things, Martin. Your perversion of communication is spectacular, but I have to wonder whether you can name three people who actually like you. But, then again, I don't care about OR for you either, because you are a stupid arrogant fuck with a barbarian for one parent and a fencepost for the other, half the brains of a wet rock and the sensitivity of a scorpion in a puddle of cold urine. You're an abusive, nasty, ill-tempered shmuck. And I expect you will inherit exactly what you sow, and I will be delighted.

Go suck your own scarred and poisonous dick, garbage-mouth.


A

Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration
From: Once Famous
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 02:27 PM

Amos.

I don't care.

Really, go debate your crotch. You are just a waste of my time. But keep addressing me and I'll keep telling you that, because I have no use for your twist it for the moment whining.

Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration
From: Amos
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 01:34 PM

Nice to see we're getting back to basics like spending money we don't have, killing enemies we don't need to kill, destroying property we don't own, invading countries we have not declared war on, torturing people we cannot understand, and supporting people we can't trust. That's what I see going down, and antagonist rabble-mouths supporting it with wild generalizations and heaps of insult and abuse which are vitally necessary in order to avoid dialogue. Dialogue is dangerous because, you know, it introduces all these weird ideas, enough to make your brain spin. Obviously.

Me, I believe in good corporations and smart marketing, good engineering, compassionate designs and technologies, and good communication between peers. I dunno what all the abuse is about. Someone musta had their skull bent in the birth canal or sompn. 'Cuz there has been more bitterness, invective, and roaring abuse of persons with nul content around here of late than I have seen in all the years I been a 'Catter.

I don't believe in drugs or excessive alcohol because it makes people anti-social when taken to extremes. Some folks have a head start on that one.


A

Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration
From: Little Hawk
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 12:35 PM

Yeah. Some basics, Amos, like...if someone else is living on land that has something you want, well...just go in and kill 'em all and take it! Hell, it worked for Andrew Jackson with the Cherokee and them other savages, didn't it? It worked when all that good land in California was being squatted on by a bunch of damned Mexicans. It almost worked in 1812, except those damned Canucks just couldn't recognize a good opportunity to be FREE when it was staring 'em in the face. Bastards stopped us at the border somehow. Shee-it. Well, we didn't have B-52's back then, and cruise missiles. If we had, baby, there would BE no Canada now. There'd just be another 10 or so states up there. Yup. Too dang bad about that.

Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration
From: Once Famous
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 12:19 PM

Actually amos, we are getting back to some basics that the left has fucked up in this country. We're taking it back from the ones who screwed up a lot in the last 30 years.

No go roll a nice fat one and relax. They won't be coming for you today.

Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration
From: Amos
Date: 24 Jan 05 - 06:19 PM

Jesus, Martin, you're as cross-eyed as a sow in heat.

Radical???MOI?? It is to laugh, except that you offer it up as though conversing.

What's radical is putting the United States on a unilateral war-mongering basis for the first time since the Phillippines. What's radical is undermining and tearing down systems of society that have been working for thirty of fifty years. What's radical is falsifying the rationale for invading another nation, throwing out prior treaties that led toward international peace, and personally asserting in all this that one has made no errors.

Radical!! You don't know what you are speaking about.

A

Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration
From: Little Hawk
Date: 24 Jan 05 - 04:33 PM

Most of the "Left" is nowhere near as radical as I would like to see... :-)

Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration
From: Jim Tailor
Date: 24 Jan 05 - 04:22 PM

The left? Radical? ...say it ain't so!

Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration
From: Once Famous
Date: 24 Jan 05 - 04:18 PM

Amos is most definately in that rut.

He might self-destruct within the 4 years though I do not hope so.

It's important that he sees that the radical left is going no where.

Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration
From: Little Hawk
Date: 24 Jan 05 - 04:11 PM

Hey folks, keep in mind that politics has been dividing many essentially good people against each other for millenia, and though you may disagree totally with someone's political position it is wise not to allow that to lead you into denigrating their intelligence, their goodness, or their humanity.

If people would focus more on similarities than differences, they would find their wars quite unnecessary. Most unfortunate that it's the differences that seem to catch their attention.

I do not hate George Bush. I just think he's making big mistakes in foreign and domestic policy. If so, he is no doubt doing it because it appears to make sense to him, given his understanding of things. He's a product of his background, just like everybody else.

To get into a mutual hate-fest over political differences (or differences in personal "style") is a foolish endeavour, in my opinion. But...some people feel more energized and alive and righteous when they're REALLY MAD at someone!!! In other words, it feels good to them. :-) Hmmm. Not a rut I want to spend much time in. Too toxic on the system. And it can have unforeseen consequences.

Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration
From: PoppaGator
Date: 24 Jan 05 - 03:45 PM

For more on what a big fat fascist we have for a Prseident, see the new thread "Kennedy: Fascist America."

Back to the subject of last week's "prayerful inauguration": I didn't watch much of it, but I did witness a couple of musical performances by folks I had never seen or heard of before. I assume these are up-and-coming stars in the fundamentalist Christian-music firmament.

Was this a big career boost for these folks, or what? Might any payola have been involved?

Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration
From: GUEST,Larry K
Date: 24 Jan 05 - 03:12 PM

Bush said that he would like to spread freedom and democracy to the rest of the world.   I hope he starts with Great Britain and Canada.

P. Diddy ran an ad campaign on MTV called "vote or die".   In Iraq, the terrorists ran their own version called "vote AND die".   (threatening to kill anyone who voted)   Despite this, they are predicting an 80% turnout.   That is far better than the record setting 60% turnout in the USA, but not as good as the 120% turnout in a few democratic districts.

Will Michael Moore be filming in Iraq to make sure there are no problems?    Will the demoncrats claim that Bush stole the election in Iraq no matter who wins?

Personnally, I don't like politicians with big visions.    I like small minded narrow thinking bearocrats where the best they come up with is "don't ask don't tell"

I read the Bev and Jerry comment many times to make sure I fully understood what they were saying.    Basically that there was no difference between communism who took over another country and installed their own communist government, and democracy which allows the people in the country to choose their own leader- like in Afganastan.    I covered forms of goverment with my daughter last year when she was in 6th grade.    Bev and Jerry must have missed that year.    A shame.   It would really help to have a good 6th grade education to build upon.

Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration
From: Wolfgang
Date: 24 Jan 05 - 12:02 PM

The Bush-Hitler game is silly and uninstructive.
(1) It could be done with just about any pair of people who have not much in common (Bobert - a German Neonazi or any other unlikely pair).
(2) What Donuel misleadingly calls 'actual quotes' are distorted translations made with the aim of masking any differences. 'Almighty Creator' for instance is not Hitler's language at all, I bet you he actually has said 'Vorsehung' ('providence'), in his thinking a very un-Christian term.

I once have quoted re Iraq the very right-wing Austrian politician Haider with a quote that could easily have been confused with a left-wing Mudcatter criticising Bush. That doesn't make left-wing Mudcatters identical to right-wing nationalists.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration
From: GUEST,KantKountThatFar
Date: 23 Jan 05 - 03:39 AM

goodbar,

What is a mere $40,000,000 when the biggest celebration is up to 151 Billion: 151,000,000,000 and the debt is 7,594,000,000,000. Tuh-tuh-trillion.

Why that's just like "Three Coins In A Fountain" to Conservative Republicans.

"Celebrate Life" they say. "All life is sacred" they say. "Every child has a right to life, even the unborn", they say.

What are they doing in Iraq then? Saving sacred lives? If not, I guess those lives and fetuses are just the wrong color or faith to be worth saving.

Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration
From: Teresa
Date: 23 Jan 05 - 03:29 AM

Goodbar, that just about sums it up right there, IMO. :)

Teresa

Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration
From: goodbar
Date: 23 Jan 05 - 03:24 AM

40 million bucks on a ****ing party. what a waste.

Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration
From: dianavan
Date: 22 Jan 05 - 04:29 PM

DougR - "When the elections are held in Iraq, I think we will see the Iraqis turn out in larger numbers to vote than eligible voters turned out to vote in the last U. S. election."

Who will observe these elections in Iraq to make sure they are conducted fairly?

I think, Doug, that you are wrong when you say that Mudcatters support terrorism or Saddam.

You can solve the problems of tyranny and violence with more tyranny and violence. Saddam was wrong and Bush is just as wrong. It is not a matter of choosing sides. Its a matter of finding a better way to solve problems.

I do not support George Bush because he lied to the American public, the international community and Congress. It led to a war that killed many, many innocent people. His tactics are all wrong. As usual, the process of solving the problem has led to deeper problems and really hasn't solved anything. The only people who profit from war are war profiteers and in this case, there are many in the Bush administration who are war profiteers.

I was educated in the U.S.A. I was taught that to guard freedom, I had to question authority. That is a right and privilege that few nations have. I am disappointed that so many in the U.S.A. have taken the easy path of blindly following a government that has only their own economic interests at heart. GWB doesn't give a rat's ass about you or anyone except their small circle of facist friends.

Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration
From: Big Mick
Date: 22 Jan 05 - 12:14 PM

I'll say this, Doug. You got me thinking and investigating. So went back and looked at my old threads. Know what I found? I found that for a long time I rarely mentioned my service. And when I do, it is usually to make the point that there is nothing glorious about war. I think what bothers you is that I don't fit into your neatly defined definition of what I should be. You would rather I stand up and say how proud I am of my country, and act as though this is a noble undertaking. You would rather I took a stoic stance about this. Ain't gonna happen. I will never glorify war. It is not glorious, and only occasionally just. Because of the horrible cost to both sides, and especially to the children, it must be questioned at every opportunity. This is not a fucking board game. Someone's Dad is going to die. Someones children will lose everything, including maybe life. There will be scars that will never heal. It is always easy for folks like you to talk in broad generalities, and say things like "war is hell". No shit, really? I don't question the honor of the warriors involved. Hell, I have been one. But I do question the motivations of those who mouth the party line when lives are at stake.

I get angry, Doug, when folks that sell their allegiance to whatever is convenient at the time of their lives that they are in, and don't realize in a real and personal way what the cost is. If they did, they wouldn't be so blithe in their assertions.

So, Doug, I don't really give a shit if you like me throwing out my experiences. I will, at every opportunity, point out the horror and hypocrisy from the unique perspective I have. Or would you rather I just tell war stories and sing "The Green Berets".

One last correction. I am no war hero, and I have never laid claim to that. I have laid claim to having witnessed certain things that most who run their mouths here have not. My view isn't as much political, as it is a reflection of how I was impacted by those times. I have profound respect for others here, whom I know to have been brave and honorable warriors, even though our politics are polar opposites.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration
From: Amos
Date: 22 Jan 05 - 11:51 AM

Some definitons ofd interest:

an absolute ruler or a person who wields power oppressively.
www.historyteacher.net/EuroProjects/DBQ1998-1999/glossary2899.htm


An honorary court title of the Byzantine Empire, introduced in the twelfth century ot the second highest title (after that of basileus).
www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Labyrinth/2398/bginfo/glossary.html


– tyrant ruler
www.medhigh.ac.cy/medjunior/es2002/cyprus/glossary.htm


tyrant; a ruler with absolute authority and power
www.thoughtfultech.com/MMTS/nsfgloss.html

A

Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Jan 05 - 11:15 AM

Sure, Amos.

"messianic, triumphalist and arrogant in tone"

Pretty much the best description of the speech in a nutshell I've heard, right there. Sounded just like a Latin American dictator. Our "our bastards" as Jeanne Kirkpatrick used to call them.

Personally, I'm all in favor of Our Good American Government cleaning out the world's despots, so long as they begin at home.

Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration
From: Amos
Date: 22 Jan 05 - 10:31 AM

Martin is talking trash again, inventing data that suits his sick, gnarled and deeply broken view of life.

I've said it before, and been tricked back in before; I can only apologize for my stupidity in this respect: I ain't playing his stupid game no mo'.

A

Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration
From: Greg F.
Date: 22 Jan 05 - 09:09 AM

and those who think like you, are so convinced that "your way" is right, that you cannot accept that you might be wrong. That's right. You really might be wrong...

Ever think [if that's not an innacurate use of the word in this context] of taking your own advice , Sir Hubris?

Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Jan 05 - 08:24 AM

Dougie,

Well, if Iraq is the model on how Bush is going to go about implimenting his blueprint fore liberty then count me out. All it's doing is liberating one heck of a lot folks from the list of the living. You can't bring liberty thru killing. They have another name for that...

...imperialism!!!

Yeah, it would be nice if everyopne felt liberated and free but, heck, there's at least 56,000,000 folks in the US who don't fell all that liberated or free and Bush hasn't even gotten 'round to having us rounded up and liberated of our lives so just how do you see him doing it elsewhere?

Quite a few of us here are asking the same quesrion and getting nuthin' more from you than whar we're hearing from Bush. Just alot of puffery with not real plan of action other than war.

Like where's the blueprint?

Or is it a secret blueprint like Nixon's secret blueprint for winning the Vietnam swar that he touted back in '68...

Mick,

I love ya' brother but got to spli hairs with ya on the "former hippie" remark. IMO, there's no such thing. Hippie is a state of mind and like riding a bicyle, once you get it you've got it. Sure there were lots of folks who hung out with hippies to get high and laid who never got it. These are folks you are talking about. I knew lots of 'em. I knew at the time the one's who got it and the one's who didn't just as I can meet someone today who I didn't know in the 60's who I quickly know was (and is) part of the movement. And they, me, as well....

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration
From: ard mhacha
Date: 22 Jan 05 - 07:52 AM

The European press didn`t hold back in castigating the Bush speechwriters,
El Periodico, wrote of the speech as " messianic, triumphalist and arrogant in tone"

Die Tageszeitong, states, "This US administration sends a chill down the spine of anyone unwilling to become accustomed to listening to this madness".

An ITV [UK] poll resulted in 91% claiming " they did not think Bush would deliver on freedom".

What a pity The Skibereen Eagle is no longer with us.

Subject: RE: BS: A Prayerful Inauguration
From: Big Mick
Date: 22 Jan 05 - 03:29 AM

Point taken, Doug, with regard to mentioning my experiences. I won't bother to respond to the stuff you said to troll, but I do bring it up when I think it merits it. When I hear these chicken hawks run their yaps about patriotism, it bothers me. The thought of someone who ducked their duty (read that "I had other things to do" Cheney, and "I can't be bothered with showing up for my drill obligation" Bush) sending young people to combat just bothers the hell out of me. And when a guy like Martin admits to the hypocrisy of his position, albeit you have to look through a number of threads to find it, I just like to point it out. Seems to me that when one indicates the pleasure they get out of making people dance, a dose of their own salts is called for.

Most of the terrorism you are seeing, Doug, is because of Bush. The latest figures show that there are more insurgents now than ever. One conservative commentator today indicated that we are looking at 4 to 6 more years, and then wasn't sure we could leave in any positive way. Another indicated that the "let the fires of freedom burn" rhetoric was designed to get the attention off the lack of WMD's, and the lies used to get us into this mess.

By the way, Doug, I am perfectly willing to let time figure who is "right" between us. But folks are already coming to the realization. Let's see how your man does with the public, and even you, when he cuts Medicaid and continues to spend incredible dollars to prosecute his little adventure. Yeah, I think I will just let time demonstrate who is right.

Mick