'Rough music' Eliza Carthy

Subject: 'Rough music' Eliza Carthy
From: GUEST,EC Fan
Date: 20 May 05 - 01:14 PM

Just heard the new CD "Rough Music". Great, as ever. Anyone else had a listen?

Subject: RE: 'Rough music' Eliza Carthy
From: GUEST,Another EC Fan
Date: 20 May 05 - 01:21 PM

Hi Eliza.

Great CD.

Didn't like the Billy Bragg song, but everything else is cool.

Subject: RE: 'Rough music' Eliza Carthy
From: GUEST,Allen
Date: 20 May 05 - 02:11 PM

Sister picked it up for me during a visit to England last week. Absolutely brilliant!
Been playing it again, again, and again.
True, the Billy Bragg cover is the weakest track, but far from bad.

Subject: RE: 'Rough music' Eliza Carthy
From: MoorleyMan
Date: 20 May 05 - 04:03 PM

Another EC fan here - fellow "sufferers" might like to read the review at www.netrhythms.com/reviews.html (sorry don't know how to blue clicky it!).....
cheers
M

Subject: RE: 'Rough music' Eliza Carthy
From: Guy Wolff
Date: 20 May 05 - 05:56 PM

Glad to hear this is out and will go get it with haste ! Make haste <><> Making haste ? . THanks for the heads up . ! Guy

Subject: RE: 'Rough music' Eliza Carthy
From: greg stephens
Date: 20 May 05 - 06:48 PM

The Billy Bragg song is odd. The rest of the album is very consistent in style and attack, but the Bragg song sounds like a different band, in a different mood, in a different studio, in a different country. It's an intreesting track, but you have to change to listen to it.And asis it is number 2 on the album, it's quite a disconcerting lurch.
   A very interesting record...the singing of "Tom Brown", particularly the first verse, I found quite sublime.

Subject: RE: 'Rough music' Eliza Carthy
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 20 May 05 - 06:56 PM

Bought it on the strength of previous experience. "The Gallant Huzzar" is the track that blows me away and is on my "must learn" list. The words and melody are in "Still Growing", songs from the Cecil Sharp collection.
TB

Subject: RE: 'Rough music' Eliza Carthy
From: greg stephens
Date: 21 May 05 - 02:53 AM

My copy, incidentally, has a double page missing from the insert, and another page there twice to make up. So I have the information on some songs twice, and on other songs not at all. Is this just my copy, or are they all like this?

Subject: RE: 'Rough music' Eliza Carthy
From: MoorleyMan
Date: 21 May 05 - 03:50 AM

No Greg, my copy of the booklet's OK, guess yours is just a rogue.
M

Subject: RE: 'Rough music' Eliza Carthy
From: greg stephens
Date: 21 May 05 - 05:31 AM

In that case, Moorley Man, who is playing brass on Tom Brown?

Subject: RE: 'Rough music' Eliza Carthy
From: GUEST,bigJ
Date: 21 May 05 - 09:11 AM

Greg, Lorna MacDonald - bass trombone - very effective too!
I see a certain Greg Stephens gets a mention on 'Cobblers Hornpipe' too, but, ironically, I suspect you won't have that page either.

Subject: RE: 'Rough music' Eliza Carthy
From: greg stephens
Date: 21 May 05 - 06:10 PM

Thanks for the info, GUESTbigj. Luckily the twice-copied page contains the very touching mention you refer to... it's the page with Tom Brown (and a few other songs) that I am missing.

Subject: RE: 'Rough music' Eliza Carthy
From: GUEST,Temeraire
Date: 22 May 05 - 07:58 AM

Fantastic record. I enjoyed the Hussar song most, but there's lots of lovely stuff. The combination with Boden and Spiers is very rich and dark.

Subject: RE: 'Rough music' Eliza Carthy
From: Mrs_Annie
Date: 22 May 05 - 11:20 AM

I love it. Has been on in the car constantly for the past week. 'Mohair' has to be a strong contender for best original song at the Folk Awards.

Subject: RE: 'Rough music' Eliza Carthy
From: greg stephens
Date: 22 Oct 05 - 03:36 AM

At the moment we have a new Kate Rusby CD out, plus this recent Eliza Carthy offering. Has any Mudcatter actually acquired both...or even heard both? Time for some "compare and contrast"? I cant oblige , I havent heard the Rusby one yet.

Subject: RE: 'Rough music' Eliza Carthy
From: LesB
Date: 22 Oct 05 - 05:55 AM

I think it's pointless comparing Eliza with Kate, there as different as chalk & cheese, the only common denominator is that they are female!
Cheers
Les

Subject: RE: 'Rough music' Eliza Carthy
From: GUEST,DB
Date: 22 Oct 05 - 06:05 AM

Great choice of songs - particularly 'Turpin Hero' and 'Gallant Hussar'. It's all a bit over-arranged for me - I'd love to have a whole recording of EC unaccompanied and/or just accompanying herself on the fiddle (to me, a non-instrumentalist, her ability to do this is the most awesome aspect of her talent).
I do tend to think that EC is a singer who is better live than on CD (which I also think is true of her Dad).

Subject: RE: 'Rough music' Eliza Carthy
From: greg stephens
Date: 22 Oct 05 - 06:10 AM

here is a tendency for female singers to have a fairly arranged kind of band for accompaniment at the moment, isn't there? This year I've seen Kate Rusby, Eliza Carthy, Eddie Reader and June Tabor in action, all with rather similar kinds of bands. Not in the sense of sounding the same, particularly, just a similar sort of concept.

Subject: RE: 'Rough music' Eliza Carthy
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 22 Oct 05 - 01:21 PM

Rough Music is my favourite folk album. They are good individually, but when all four get together, it's indescribable. Can't wait to hear where they take it on the next one.
A comparison between Carthy and Rusby might be their northern inflection, but for my money, Eliza has a sexier voice.

Subject: RE: 'Rough music' Eliza Carthy
From: GUEST,Tim Brook
Date: 06 Aug 06 - 10:04 AM

Help - anyone got the lyrics for Tom Brown please

Subject: RE: 'Rough music' Eliza Carthy
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 06 Aug 06 - 11:09 AM

See  South Riding Folk Arts Network News number 50  for more information on that song than you ever wanted. Eliza didn't get it directly from Frank Kidson's book or his earlier newspaper article, but that was the source used by MacColl and Seeger, from whose recording she learned it.

The song is also in the DT as THE CARD SONG, in that case transcribed from a Fairport Convention record. Presumably they too got it via MacColl and Seeger. It can be found quite easily by typing a phrase into the onsite search engine: I used here's to you tom brown.

Subject: RE: 'Rough music' Eliza Carthy
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 08 Aug 06 - 08:57 PM

Good reference, Malcolm. And it looks as though the song was a college favorite in the States a century or so ago. It appears in "Carmina Princetonia" (1898), p. 31, under the title of "A Toast."

Subject: RE: 'Rough music' Eliza Carthy
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 08 Aug 06 - 09:22 PM

That I didn't know; thanks for the reference. John Mehlburg's html transcription is a bit of a disaster, but the pdf is interesting; not least the "copyright" details! Perhaps they apply to the notation or arrangement; the words, as we know, are considerably older.

Subject: RE: 'Rough music' Eliza Carthy
From: Micca
Date: 09 Aug 06 - 03:46 AM

There was a very spirited and rhythmic version on an Ian Campbell Folk Group album (The Circle Game, I think) also, the words were slightly different (as far as I can remember) from Elizas version. I noticed this when trying to sing along with Eliza