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BS: Should I stay Or should I go

GUEST,Briggs 23 Jul 05 - 07:23 PM
GUEST 23 Jul 05 - 07:26 PM
gnu 23 Jul 05 - 07:35 PM
Ebbie 23 Jul 05 - 08:25 PM
GUEST 23 Jul 05 - 08:32 PM
John O'L 23 Jul 05 - 09:19 PM
Hrothgar 23 Jul 05 - 09:39 PM
ranger1 23 Jul 05 - 09:43 PM
Little Hawk 23 Jul 05 - 10:03 PM
freda underhill 23 Jul 05 - 11:27 PM
John MacKenzie 24 Jul 05 - 05:34 AM
GUEST,Briggs 24 Jul 05 - 05:39 AM
Jeanie 24 Jul 05 - 06:57 AM
GUEST 24 Jul 05 - 07:06 AM
GUEST,Briggs 24 Jul 05 - 07:24 AM
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Wolfgang 24 Jul 05 - 07:52 AM
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GUEST 25 Jul 05 - 01:39 PM
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Joe Offer 25 Jul 05 - 04:27 PM
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GUEST,Shakey 25 Jul 05 - 05:12 PM
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wysiwyg 25 Jul 05 - 10:21 PM
RobbieWilson 26 Jul 05 - 08:49 PM
PoppaGator 27 Jul 05 - 02:07 PM
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Peter K (Fionn) 28 Jul 05 - 09:51 AM
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Subject: BS: Should I stay Or should I go
From: GUEST,Briggs
Date: 23 Jul 05 - 07:23 PM

In three weeks I have a 17 holiday in Cairo, the Nile and Sharm al-Sheikh.
My decision won't be made on whether or not I can get a refund, so, what should I do?


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Subject: RE: BS: Should I stay Or should I go
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Jul 05 - 07:26 PM

If you can go and relax then go. Depends how badly you need to unwind.


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Subject: RE: BS: Should I stay Or should I go
From: gnu
Date: 23 Jul 05 - 07:35 PM

Have a blast.


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Subject: RE: BS: Should I stay Or should I go
From: Ebbie
Date: 23 Jul 05 - 08:25 PM

Want to rephrase that, gnu?

A friend of mine is cogitating that same kind of thing. He's booked to visit Turkey in September. He's excited about it but also apprehensive. As he said, reading the State Department's views on what to do and what not to do, where to go and where to stay away from is a sure paranoia stirrer.


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Subject: RE: BS: Should I stay Or should I go
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Jul 05 - 08:32 PM

Turkey is a beautiful and fascinating country. I would go but not use the dolmuses to travel. It is easy enough to drive around and the best sights are in very unbuilt up areas.


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Subject: RE: BS: Should I stay Or should I go
From: John O'L
Date: 23 Jul 05 - 09:19 PM

If you go there will be trouble
If you stay it will be double

What the hell? Go. You can't spend the rest of your life locked in your bedroom, and even that might be a target. If your number's up it's up. That's the way it's always been. Nothing's changed.

Enjoy yourself. Don't let them beat you down.

I'm not saying to go looking for trouble - as 8.32pm said, keep away from likely targets, but don't stop living.


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Subject: RE: BS: Should I stay Or should I go
From: Hrothgar
Date: 23 Jul 05 - 09:39 PM

Might as well go. Litte Johnny has made Oz as big a target as anywhere else, so whu should you feel safer here?


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Subject: RE: BS: Should I stay Or should I go
From: ranger1
Date: 23 Jul 05 - 09:43 PM

My thought has always been: you could get run over by a bus tomorrow at home, so why not live a little? And if we all stay at home in our bedrooms worrying about what might happen, then the terrorists win.


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Subject: RE: BS: Should I stay Or should I go
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Jul 05 - 10:03 PM

Hmmm. Well, statistically speaking you may be in more danger driving to work, I suppose.

Examine your own gut feeling about it, and go on that, I'd say. I don't think anyone here can decide it for you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Should I stay Or should I go
From: freda underhill
Date: 23 Jul 05 - 11:27 PM

You want a holiday. You want to relax. Can you do that? if not, don't go.


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Subject: RE: BS: Should I stay Or should I go
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 24 Jul 05 - 05:34 AM

Well I wouldn't go, but it's up to you. On the other hand I wouldn't have booked a holiday in Egypt anyway knowing its history of this kind of outrage.
Giok


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Subject: RE: BS: Should I stay Or should I go
From: GUEST,Briggs
Date: 24 Jul 05 - 05:39 AM

Should I take a teenager (13) with me.

This thread is for real, not hypothetical, the holiday is booked. Just in case you wondered.


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Subject: RE: BS: Should I stay Or should I go
From: Jeanie
Date: 24 Jul 05 - 06:57 AM

I think, as Little Hawk has said, you have to go by your own gut feelings about this (and not on anyone else's gut feelings). I was faced with a very similar dilemma. I was due to go to New York in the immediate aftermath of 9/11 with a group of people to learn first-hand from an organisation who do street theatre/social work for the kids in the rough areas of New York, with a view to setting up something similar in the UK. The gut feeling of most of our party was to go, and they did, and came back telling of all their good experiences. My gut feeling was not to go - I was concerned about going into an (at that time) unknown quantity, and especially about the possibility of return flights being cancelled, being stranded in New York, leaving my young daughter back in the UK being cared for longer than planned, and all the anxiety that would have entailed for her. I lost my ticket money, but what the heck.

The point I am making is that the gut feelings of the people who went were right for them, and they had no regrets. My gut feeling not to go was right for me, and likewise I have never had any regrets about it. I know I would not have been able to take in all the experiences of the trip. We *did* set up the project over here in the UK, and I was just as much a part of it as those who went over to New York.

In making my decision, these three sayings were prominent in my mind:
"Know thyself."   "To thine own self be true." "If in doubt, don't."
The decision, then, was the "right" one.

With every good wish,
- jeanie


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Subject: RE: BS: Should I stay Or should I go
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Jul 05 - 07:06 AM

I would ask the 13yr old and accept their answer.


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Subject: RE: BS: Should I stay Or should I go
From: GUEST,Briggs
Date: 24 Jul 05 - 07:24 AM

I would ask the 13yr old and accept their answer.
Yes I have been considering this, going without him is not an option as one of the manin reasons for going was to allow him to see Cairo, the museums and especially the pyramids.


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Subject: RE: BS: Should I stay Or should I go
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Jul 05 - 07:37 AM

Do it, his thoughts will be truer than our cynical world weary ones. Havent the tour company offered you alternative holidays? Cairo will (hopefully) still be there in three years time.


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Subject: RE: BS: Should I stay Or should I go
From: Wolfgang
Date: 24 Jul 05 - 07:52 AM

Most German travel agencies offer similar but safer alternatives with no additional costs when you switch.

If not, I'd go. The two least safe moments in your travel will still be the flights.

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: BS: Should I stay Or should I go
From: Wolfgang
Date: 24 Jul 05 - 08:09 AM

Most German travel agencies offer similar but safer alternatives with no additional costs when you switch.

If not, I'd go. The two least safe moments in your travel will still be the flights.

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: BS: Should I stay Or should I go
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Jul 05 - 01:39 PM

Ok we're not going.

The decision came about mostly when we came to the conclusion that the very best we would get, assuming there were no big problems, is a holiday we wouldn't be able to enjoy.

Oh well, maybe Canada again!


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Subject: RE: BS: Should I stay Or should I go
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 25 Jul 05 - 02:00 PM

Good! Canada's got the arse whipped off Egypt anytime!


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Subject: RE: BS: Should I stay Or should I go
From: Mr Red
Date: 25 Jul 05 - 02:24 PM

Well I would be worrying about a trip along the Niile. Food poisening or tummy bugs! As for teerorists - I would brave it out just to stick two fingers up to them. A very small gamble, but the pay-out is a bit drastic. But call me mad.

Rage shall not weary them - here's the condemn.

Bastards.


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Subject: RE: BS: Should I stay Or should I go
From: Joe Offer
Date: 25 Jul 05 - 04:27 PM

I just came back from a vacation in Poland, Hungary, Austria, and the Czech Republic. I was a bit apprehensive about traveling through De Gaulle Airport in Paris, but everything worked just fine. Don't think I'd want to go to Egypt just now, though. The security would probably ensure that everything would be OK, but it's likely to be a horrible hassle.

-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: BS: Should I stay Or should I go
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Jul 05 - 04:27 PM

I heard of this little place in Moroco that is neutral in all this war business.

Ask for Rick.


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Subject: RE: BS: Should I stay Or should I go
From: GUEST,Shakey
Date: 25 Jul 05 - 05:12 PM

post that again Donuel


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Subject: RE: BS: Should I stay Or should I go
From: SINSULL
Date: 25 Jul 05 - 06:28 PM

Go!


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Subject: RE: BS: Should I stay Or should I go
From: wysiwyg
Date: 25 Jul 05 - 10:21 PM

Should I stay Or should I go / You must leave now!!

~S~


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Subject: RE: BS: Should I stay Or should I go
From: RobbieWilson
Date: 26 Jul 05 - 08:49 PM

go, or you will regret it. Maybe not today , but someday and for the rest of your life.

This could be the start of a beautiful friendship.
(bugs Bunny)


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Subject: RE: BS: Should I stay Or should I go
From: PoppaGator
Date: 27 Jul 05 - 02:07 PM

They're NOT going, as of 1:39 two days ago. Briggs just forgot to add his name to "GUEST." So we can quit encouraging them to throw caution to the winds.

I would certainly hope that, even if they don't get a full refund, the tour company or travel agency or whatever can offer them some kind of trade-out, like a discounted trip to an alternate destination.

Reading between the lines, I would guess that this was the 13-year-old's decision, or at least a joint decision in which the kid participated. If so, I'm sure it's the right thing to do ~ why embark on a trip during which you'll be constantly uncomfortable?


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Subject: RE: BS: Should I stay Or should I go
From: GUEST,Briggs
Date: 27 Jul 05 - 06:44 PM

You're right PG the decision was a combination of his feelings on the matter and our feelings for him.

We didn't tell him we lost 3000 pounds, mostly 'cause I wouldn't have been able to say it without "effen" preceding every other word. :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Should I stay Or should I go
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 28 Jul 05 - 09:51 AM

The two least safe moments in your travel will still be the flights

Au contraire, Wolfgang. Being up in a plane is safer than almost anywhere on earth. You've got more chance of being killed by a piece of office furniture than of coming to grief in an aeroplane.


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Subject: RE: BS: Should I stay Or should I go
From: mooman
Date: 28 Jul 05 - 10:03 AM

If it were my choice, I would tend towards going. Egypt is a wonderful country to visit.

But then I'm a veteran of living in and travelling to various dangerous places and tend to be rather defiant against terrorist threats.

Having said that, I will probably not go on my planned extended teaching trip in India planned for later this year as my wife, who was going to join me this time, "does not feel right about it" and I respect her views.

Peace,

moo

If you are used to driving on Belgian roads you are not afraid of anything..."


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Subject: RE: BS: Should I stay Or should I go
From: Shakey
Date: 28 Jul 05 - 10:06 AM

If you are used to driving on Belgian roads you are not afraid of anything..."

Spot on.


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