BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 02 Sep 05 - 04:38 AM

Bugger! I missed the 300!

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,Tír Eoghain
Date: 02 Sep 05 - 06:27 AM

Yeah, that was me.

I done it just to annoy you

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 03 Sep 05 - 04:39 AM

The answer is no. The BBC are inaccurate when referring to distribution.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Sep 05 - 02:24 PM

That information didn't come from the BBC. What do the police reports say?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Sep 05 - 02:51 PM

You know, David, it's evasion tactics like the ones you have been using pretty consistantly so far that show us what your true agendas are. It's like having the word "liar" painted across your forehead. It's pretty hard to miss.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 03 Sep 05 - 03:42 PM

David, do you deny that you were caught by the police while in the process of distributing those leaflets yourself?

Yes. I do deny that. The BBC reported wrongly when referring to distribution. If you consider my replies evasive, then that is your problem.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Sep 05 - 03:44 PM

What does the police report say?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 03 Sep 05 - 03:50 PM

I don't know, i have never seen the police report. Well i saw it over 5 years ago but as for wording i ain't got a clue.

Have you taken the google race hate crimes test carolC?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 03 Sep 05 - 03:51 PM

Media coverage

At the time, the horrific racist murder of young Kriss hardly registered on the radar of the mainstream British press with only the main Scottish broadsheets, "The Scotsman" and "The Herald" providing coverage. The BBC even today has not one mention of the murder on its website, and please do not just take our word for it.

Try this and then once again examine your conscience when your TV licence reminder comes through the post.

Search the BBC archives and clicking on "Search" in the top right corner.

Type in "Kriss Donald" (two "s")
Note the number of results and how relevant those results are to the search.
Then type in "Stephen Lawrence" and note the number of results.

Two horrific racist murders, two grieving families, two lives lost in the madness of multicultural Britain, yet two different responses from the BBC, two extreme responses from the blinkered anti-white racists who have no shame yet who control what we see and read in the media.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Sep 05 - 03:58 PM

Were you charged with having been caught in the process of distributing those leaflets, David?

I don't know what the google race hate crimes test is.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 04 Sep 05 - 11:45 AM

This is getting annoying, and to be fair to you, slightly dumb, again, i'll simply post my answer to your question before. I can only answer so many times you know.

I am not on trial, and do not need to spend my time answering question after question, you asked me to answer the below question and i have.

The google test is the test above your post.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 03 Sep 05 - 03:42 PM
Carol Wrote:
David, do you deny that you were caught by the police while in the process of distributing those leaflets yourself?
David Answered:
Yes. I do deny that. The BBC reported wrongly when referring to distribution. If you consider my replies evasive, then that is your problem.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: CarolC
Date: 04 Sep 05 - 05:58 PM

You may not be on trial, but your politics do seem to be on trial in the court of public opinion. Your answers to questions about your political past do have an effect on how that all plays out. Being only halfway honest (if that) to questions about your political past, and giving the appearance of withholding information about it, informs those who are deciding what to believe and what not to believe coming from you. I don't think you have been completely forthcoming in your answers to my questions.

Because I don't have all of the relevant information available to me to make an informed decision about what to believe and what not to believe, and because you seem disinclined to help me out in this regard, my tendency will be to disbelieve anything you say unless it can be proven otherwise.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 04 Sep 05 - 06:11 PM

You may not be on trial, but your politics do seem to be on trial in the court of public opinion. Your answers to questions about your political past do have an effect on how that all plays out. Being only halfway honest (if that) to questions about your political past, and giving the appearance of withholding information about it, informs those who are deciding what to believe and what not to believe coming from you. I don't think you have been completely forthcoming in your answers to my questions.

Because I don't have all of the relevant information available to me to make an informed decision about what to believe and what not to believe, and because you seem disinclined to help me out in this regard, my tendency will be to disbelieve anything you say unless it can be proven otherwise.

You asked me whether or not i was convicted for distributing, and i answered no. You asked me whether or not i was caught distributing, naturally i answered no. Listen Carol, it dont get any clearer than that, so take your rather silly whinings elsewhere, because usually although i respect your posts, as believe it or not, in the past they have challenged me to re-look at my opinions, but here, whatever i say, and no matter how many of your questions i answer, it ain't any good.

So if indeed you don't have all the facts, therefore your tendency is to disbelieve everything i say!!!!!!!!! WHy bother with the questions in the first place!!!!!!!!!!!!! ?????????????????

My opinions are not on trial. Multi-culturalism and its murderous genocide of the rich tapestry of races is on trial.

However, i am happy to be challenged. So...have you taken the google test?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: CarolC
Date: 04 Sep 05 - 06:24 PM

I already told you in my 03 Sep 05 - 03:58 PM post... I don't know what the Google test is or how to take it.

You asked me whether or not i was convicted for distributing, and i answered no.

Actually, I did not ask that question, and you did not answer it.

You asked me whether or not i was caught distributing, naturally i answered no.

I did not ask this question, and you did not answer it.

I asked if you were charged with distributing the leaflets that you deny having anything to do with. And I asked whether or not the police reports say that you were caught distributing those leaflets.

You have not answered either of those questions.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 05 Sep 05 - 04:06 AM

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: CarolC - PM
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 03:34 PM

David, do you deny that you were caught by the police while in the process of distributing those leaflets yourself?

Yes.

I asked if you were charged with distributing the leaflets that you deny having anything to do with. And I asked whether or not the police reports say that you were caught distributing those leaflets.

Oh dear, carol, you are making a fool of yourself.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 04 Sep 05 - 06:11 PM

You asked me whether or not i was convicted for distributing, and i answered no.

Date: 03 Sep 05 - 03:42 PM
Carol Wrote:
David, do you deny that you were caught by the police while in the process of distributing those leaflets yourself?
David Answered:
Yes. I do deny that. The BBC reported wrongly when referring to distribution. If you consider my replies evasive, then that is your problem.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 03 Sep 05 - 04:39 AM

The answer is no. The BBC are inaccurate when referring to distribution.

4 Times i have answered, and yet still you can't comprehend my answer. I know you are not stupid, but this is simply amazing. Give it up woman! lololololol.

So if indeed you don't have all the facts, therefore your tendency is to disbelieve everything i say!!!!!!!!! WHy bother with the questions in the first place!!!!!!!!!!!!! ?????????????????

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 05 Sep 05 - 04:25 AM

At the time, the horrific racist murder of young Kriss hardly registered on the radar of the mainstream British press with only the main Scottish broadsheets, "The Scotsman" and "The Herald" providing coverage. The BBC even today has not one mention of the murder on its website, and please do not just take our word for it.

BBC Search results.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 05 Sep 05 - 04:48 AM

And another BBC search

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Sep 05 - 07:11 AM

DH
Lets make it nice and simple for you and everyone else.

What where you convicted of?
What where you found guilty of?
What sentence where you given?

There we go answers please then we can all move on.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: zelger
Date: 05 Sep 05 - 07:16 AM

CarolC you are a buffoon.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: CarolC
Date: 05 Sep 05 - 12:00 PM

I think the differences in wording between what I actually asked, and what you have answered are important, David. You many not see those differences, but I suspect that you are perfectly aware of them and are using them to avoid any direct answer to the precise questions I have asked.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 05 Sep 05 - 02:24 PM

Oh My God

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 05 Sep 05 - 02:47 PM

David, do you deny that you were caught by the police while in the process of distributing those leaflets yourself? (Carol)

You asked me whether or not i was caught distributing, naturally i answered no. (DH)

I did not ask this question, and you did not answer it. (Carol)

Tell me what for you makes the difference here, Carol, so I can better follow the discussion.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: CarolC
Date: 05 Sep 05 - 02:54 PM

I want to know specifically what he was charged with and what the police reports have to say about it. So far, David has not addressed these questions.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 05 Sep 05 - 02:56 PM

David, do you deny that you were caught by the police while in the process of distributing those leaflets yourself? (Carol)

You asked me whether or not i was caught distributing, naturally i answered no. (DH)

I did not ask this question, and you did not answer it. (Carol)

Tell me what for you makes the difference here, Carol, so I can better follow the discussion.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 05 Sep 05 - 03:04 PM

David, do you deny that you were caught by the police while in the process of distributing those leaflets yourself? (Carol)

You asked me whether or not i was caught distributing, naturally i answered no. (DH)

I did not ask this question, and you did not answer it. (Carol)

Tell me what for you makes the difference here, Carol, so I can better follow the discussion.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 05 Sep 05 - 03:06 PM

I don't mean the 'charged' questions (I do understand these), I mean the 'caught' questions.

Wolfgang (with computer hicups)

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 05 Sep 05 - 03:15 PM

David, do you deny that you were caught by the police while in the process of distributing those leaflets yourself? (Carol)

You asked me whether or not i was caught distributing, naturally i answered no. (DH)

I did not ask this question, and you did not answer it. (Carol)

Tell me what for you makes the difference here, Carol, so I can better follow the discussion.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,Dave Hannam
Date: 05 Sep 05 - 03:20 PM

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: CarolC - PM
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 03:34 PM

David, do you deny that you were caught by the police while in the process of distributing those leaflets yourself?

Yes.

Well i don't know how i could have answered any clearer wolgang.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 05 Sep 05 - 03:33 PM

What puzzles me most at this moment how an old post of mine can get reposted by my computer after I have written a new post in between.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Sep 05 - 03:45 PM

Carol. I think DH has answered your question.

He was convicted for inciting racial hatred and according to the BBC site he got:

"Three months custody for his part in the production and distribution of a racist and anti-Semitic leaflet during the 1999 European election campaign."

I presume the BBC is accurate in saying the "operation" was one of production and distribution but none of the above means he has to have taken part in any of the distribution.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: CarolC
Date: 05 Sep 05 - 04:39 PM

Yes, you are correct, Wolfgang. I did ask that question and it was answered.

The ones that haven't been answered are the ones I would like to see an answer to.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,Dave Hannam
Date: 06 Sep 05 - 03:40 AM

Care to put cut and paste those questions again?

I will humour you here, as you are in this thread becoming more confused and comical by the post.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Sep 05 - 04:47 AM

Dave I would hazard a wild guess that one of the reasons you use this site, is to enhance your debating skills. All good for the cause eh?

You keep falling at the hurdle by trying to undermine your fellow debater in a rather na na na na na way. Just a pointer.

So, why were you charged with distribution if you 'weren't caught' distributing the racist literature?

I know you have said you 'weren't caught,' but that isn't the same as not having distributed them is it. Have you ever distributed those leaflets?

I know it's early to be picky but a definitive answer would let us move on with the discussion.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,Dave Hannam
Date: 06 Sep 05 - 06:11 AM

Guest, this is the first occasion i have become 'nana' towards another fellow mudcatter. The reason for this is the utter comical nature of carols refusal, or blindess, intended or not?? to see my answers to her questions.

You can clearly see i have answered her questions, again and again and again and even again!!!!!!!!!! But still she insists i haven't.

Actually i didn't join to enhance debating skills, but joined because one the BNP was the topic of discussion at one point, so i thought interesting. Other reason is i love folk music.

The problem i have here, is i answer your questions too, and carole will insist i didn't answer them at all. Again and again i have said i didn't distribute them, but to no avail.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: zelger
Date: 06 Sep 05 - 06:16 AM

carol you are an idiot.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 06 Sep 05 - 06:26 AM

First time? Almost don't know what example to start with. Shall we LOL LOL LOL together?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,Dave Hannam
Date: 06 Sep 05 - 06:41 AM

showing your age there scarmouth, lol is not considered derogatory.

I shan't apologize for my age however! lololoolololololololol

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 06 Sep 05 - 06:55 AM

No, LOL is a bit of a dig at you. Thought pretty self-explanatory.
BTW, pretty sure you happen to be older.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 06 Sep 05 - 07:09 AM

Yes, you are correct, Wolfgang. I did ask that question and it was answered. (Carol)

It is worse than that, I was wrong. I couldn't believe you had lost track of your own questions and were repeatedly not reading DH's posts carefully. I rather thought it had something to do with the exact wording (like for instance "caught by the police while in the process of distributing" when, perhaps, DH was observed distributing and caught later) and DH was evasive and I just didn't get it.

Of course, DH is evasive and carefully considers what he answers to or not and which way he answers. I regret that the reaction (not only of Carol) to him and the silly procession of "constantly changing" questions makes him look better in this debate than he deserves. Ignoring him would have been better in my eyes than what I have read.

But perhaps his debating skills are not as good as they sometimes look in this particular context, otherwise he could have truthfully answered with a resounding "No" to Carol's question

Were you charged with having been caught in the process of distributing those leaflets, David?

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 06 Sep 05 - 07:49 AM

No.
Again, No.


ubject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: CarolC - PM
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 03:34 PM

David, do you deny that you were caught by the police while in the process of distributing those leaflets yourself?

Yes.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,Dave Hannam
Date: 06 Sep 05 - 07:52 AM

I shall tell you what happened wolfgang, she asked the question, backed by scarmouth, and i fell silent, or so they intepretated it, in fact i was working away.

I came back apologized, and started to answer the question again and again.

Actually wolfgang, i don't rate my debating skills either. I tell the truth as i see it, but when it comes to convincing others, i agree, i lack that ability.

So carol, how about an apology for not reading my posts correctly and prolonging the death of this debate?? I won't hold my breath.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 06 Sep 05 - 10:26 AM

Scaramouche, David Humbug. A fine English novel, but alas, written by evil foreigner. Tsk tsk.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Sep 05 - 11:23 AM

Sorry you're all wrong; it was nowt to do with realign and all that god stuff
Ill tell you what happened in London
Four Leeds lads decided to go on the lash down there for the weekend by train. As usual the train was late and the catering car was knackered. So when they got off the train at kings cross they decided to go across the road to the chip shop, for fish, chips a carton of curry and because they were really hungry a spring roll.
This then cost them 7 quid each. The shock of fish and chips drove them to the pub next door, and they were then stung for a further £3.20 per pint (piss).
I can tell you after working in that hole for 8 months or so, shop fitting banks, beauty salons e.c.t.I was suicidal as well

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: CarolC
Date: 06 Sep 05 - 12:40 PM

"I want to know specifically what he was charged with and what the police reports have to say about it."

Those are the questions I would like to see answered. I am not doing this for the sport of it, Wolfgang, even though that may be your motive more often than not. I actually would like to know the truth of this situation, and I don't really trust David to give it to me.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 06 Sep 05 - 01:07 PM

You have already said no matter what i say you are inclined to disbelieve me, so really carol there is no point.

I was charged with inciting racial hatred, as for what the police reports say, your guess is as good as mine. I can't remember what i ate yesterday, never mind what a report said 5 years ago.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: CarolC
Date: 06 Sep 05 - 01:32 PM

Anyone in or near Hull willing to go check out the contents of the police reports of this case and see what they say?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 06 Sep 05 - 01:40 PM

LMAO

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 06 Sep 05 - 01:45 PM

So if indeed you don't have all the facts, therefore your tendency is to disbelieve everything i say!!!!!!!!! WHy bother with the questions in the first place!!!!!!!!!!!!! ?????????????????

Carol why do you continue to make a fool of yourself. I'll honestly say, i have never been particularly HUGELY popular on here, except for a few, but i have had more PM's in the last day or so pointing out your comical posts than ever before. Albeit one still told me i was a W****R. lol

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: CarolC
Date: 06 Sep 05 - 01:58 PM

I am trying to give you an opportunity to be truthful and forthcoming. Instead of doing that, all you are doing is flinging insults.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 06 Sep 05 - 02:02 PM

Including at people unconnected with it. He may have received THOUSANDS of letters about your comical post, but bet they don't hold a candle to the one he sent me. Smacks of desperation.