BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: CarolC
Date: 05 Sep 05 - 02:54 PM

I want to know specifically what he was charged with and what the police reports have to say about it. So far, David has not addressed these questions.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 05 Sep 05 - 02:47 PM

David, do you deny that you were caught by the police while in the process of distributing those leaflets yourself? (Carol)

You asked me whether or not i was caught distributing, naturally i answered no. (DH)

I did not ask this question, and you did not answer it. (Carol)

Tell me what for you makes the difference here, Carol, so I can better follow the discussion.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 05 Sep 05 - 02:24 PM

Oh My God

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: CarolC
Date: 05 Sep 05 - 12:00 PM

I think the differences in wording between what I actually asked, and what you have answered are important, David. You many not see those differences, but I suspect that you are perfectly aware of them and are using them to avoid any direct answer to the precise questions I have asked.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: zelger
Date: 05 Sep 05 - 07:16 AM

CarolC you are a buffoon.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Sep 05 - 07:11 AM

DH
Lets make it nice and simple for you and everyone else.

What where you convicted of?
What where you found guilty of?
What sentence where you given?

There we go answers please then we can all move on.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 05 Sep 05 - 04:48 AM

And another BBC search

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 05 Sep 05 - 04:25 AM

At the time, the horrific racist murder of young Kriss hardly registered on the radar of the mainstream British press with only the main Scottish broadsheets, "The Scotsman" and "The Herald" providing coverage. The BBC even today has not one mention of the murder on its website, and please do not just take our word for it.

BBC Search results.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 05 Sep 05 - 04:06 AM

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: CarolC - PM
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 03:34 PM

David, do you deny that you were caught by the police while in the process of distributing those leaflets yourself?

Yes.

I asked if you were charged with distributing the leaflets that you deny having anything to do with. And I asked whether or not the police reports say that you were caught distributing those leaflets.

Oh dear, carol, you are making a fool of yourself.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 04 Sep 05 - 06:11 PM

You asked me whether or not i was convicted for distributing, and i answered no.

Date: 03 Sep 05 - 03:42 PM
Carol Wrote:
David, do you deny that you were caught by the police while in the process of distributing those leaflets yourself?
David Answered:
Yes. I do deny that. The BBC reported wrongly when referring to distribution. If you consider my replies evasive, then that is your problem.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 03 Sep 05 - 04:39 AM

The answer is no. The BBC are inaccurate when referring to distribution.

4 Times i have answered, and yet still you can't comprehend my answer. I know you are not stupid, but this is simply amazing. Give it up woman! lololololol.

So if indeed you don't have all the facts, therefore your tendency is to disbelieve everything i say!!!!!!!!! WHy bother with the questions in the first place!!!!!!!!!!!!! ?????????????????

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: CarolC
Date: 04 Sep 05 - 06:24 PM

I already told you in my 03 Sep 05 - 03:58 PM post... I don't know what the Google test is or how to take it.

You asked me whether or not i was convicted for distributing, and i answered no.

Actually, I did not ask that question, and you did not answer it.

You asked me whether or not i was caught distributing, naturally i answered no.

I did not ask this question, and you did not answer it.

I asked if you were charged with distributing the leaflets that you deny having anything to do with. And I asked whether or not the police reports say that you were caught distributing those leaflets.

You have not answered either of those questions.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 04 Sep 05 - 06:11 PM

You may not be on trial, but your politics do seem to be on trial in the court of public opinion. Your answers to questions about your political past do have an effect on how that all plays out. Being only halfway honest (if that) to questions about your political past, and giving the appearance of withholding information about it, informs those who are deciding what to believe and what not to believe coming from you. I don't think you have been completely forthcoming in your answers to my questions.

Because I don't have all of the relevant information available to me to make an informed decision about what to believe and what not to believe, and because you seem disinclined to help me out in this regard, my tendency will be to disbelieve anything you say unless it can be proven otherwise.

You asked me whether or not i was convicted for distributing, and i answered no. You asked me whether or not i was caught distributing, naturally i answered no. Listen Carol, it dont get any clearer than that, so take your rather silly whinings elsewhere, because usually although i respect your posts, as believe it or not, in the past they have challenged me to re-look at my opinions, but here, whatever i say, and no matter how many of your questions i answer, it ain't any good.

So if indeed you don't have all the facts, therefore your tendency is to disbelieve everything i say!!!!!!!!! WHy bother with the questions in the first place!!!!!!!!!!!!! ?????????????????

My opinions are not on trial. Multi-culturalism and its murderous genocide of the rich tapestry of races is on trial.

However, i am happy to be challenged. So...have you taken the google test?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: CarolC
Date: 04 Sep 05 - 05:58 PM

You may not be on trial, but your politics do seem to be on trial in the court of public opinion. Your answers to questions about your political past do have an effect on how that all plays out. Being only halfway honest (if that) to questions about your political past, and giving the appearance of withholding information about it, informs those who are deciding what to believe and what not to believe coming from you. I don't think you have been completely forthcoming in your answers to my questions.

Because I don't have all of the relevant information available to me to make an informed decision about what to believe and what not to believe, and because you seem disinclined to help me out in this regard, my tendency will be to disbelieve anything you say unless it can be proven otherwise.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 04 Sep 05 - 11:45 AM

This is getting annoying, and to be fair to you, slightly dumb, again, i'll simply post my answer to your question before. I can only answer so many times you know.

I am not on trial, and do not need to spend my time answering question after question, you asked me to answer the below question and i have.

The google test is the test above your post.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 03 Sep 05 - 03:42 PM
Carol Wrote:
David, do you deny that you were caught by the police while in the process of distributing those leaflets yourself?
David Answered:
Yes. I do deny that. The BBC reported wrongly when referring to distribution. If you consider my replies evasive, then that is your problem.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Sep 05 - 03:58 PM

Were you charged with having been caught in the process of distributing those leaflets, David?

I don't know what the google race hate crimes test is.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 03 Sep 05 - 03:51 PM

Media coverage

At the time, the horrific racist murder of young Kriss hardly registered on the radar of the mainstream British press with only the main Scottish broadsheets, "The Scotsman" and "The Herald" providing coverage. The BBC even today has not one mention of the murder on its website, and please do not just take our word for it.

Try this and then once again examine your conscience when your TV licence reminder comes through the post.

Search the BBC archives and clicking on "Search" in the top right corner.

Type in "Kriss Donald" (two "s")
Note the number of results and how relevant those results are to the search.
Then type in "Stephen Lawrence" and note the number of results.

Two horrific racist murders, two grieving families, two lives lost in the madness of multicultural Britain, yet two different responses from the BBC, two extreme responses from the blinkered anti-white racists who have no shame yet who control what we see and read in the media.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 03 Sep 05 - 03:50 PM

I don't know, i have never seen the police report. Well i saw it over 5 years ago but as for wording i ain't got a clue.

Have you taken the google race hate crimes test carolC?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Sep 05 - 03:44 PM

What does the police report say?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 03 Sep 05 - 03:42 PM

David, do you deny that you were caught by the police while in the process of distributing those leaflets yourself?

Yes. I do deny that. The BBC reported wrongly when referring to distribution. If you consider my replies evasive, then that is your problem.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Sep 05 - 02:51 PM

You know, David, it's evasion tactics like the ones you have been using pretty consistantly so far that show us what your true agendas are. It's like having the word "liar" painted across your forehead. It's pretty hard to miss.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Sep 05 - 02:24 PM

That information didn't come from the BBC. What do the police reports say?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 03 Sep 05 - 04:39 AM

The answer is no. The BBC are inaccurate when referring to distribution.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,Tír Eoghain
Date: 02 Sep 05 - 06:27 AM

Yeah, that was me.

I done it just to annoy you

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 02 Sep 05 - 04:38 AM

Bugger! I missed the 300!

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Sep 05 - 04:08 AM

300!!!!!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Sep 05 - 04:08 AM

299 is the new 300

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Sep 05 - 04:06 AM

Yes, but I think he will realise that inter gallatic travel uses more fuel than anticipated..oh sorry , wrong universe.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 02 Sep 05 - 03:52 AM

I think The Shambles is correct... oh... sorry.. wrong thread!

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: zelger
Date: 01 Sep 05 - 05:07 PM

Well maybe if he doesn't want to answer the question he either feels guilty or his hiding it.

there is probs some way of finding out anyway

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: CarolC
Date: 01 Sep 05 - 04:58 PM

He's had since the 14th of June (more than a month and a half), and three different threads in which to post an answer. And during that time, he has made probably a couple of hundred posts that don't answer the question. He's certainly had enough time and opportunities to answer since June 14, but he has consistantly ignored the question.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 01 Sep 05 - 02:23 PM

All it takes is yes or no.
Unless he has taken a page from Hacker's book. Ah, yes, I'm glad you asked that question. And why am I glad you asked that question? I'll tell you. It's because it's a very good question and one that people want to know the answer to.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: zelger
Date: 01 Sep 05 - 01:49 PM

Le Scaramouche he said he will answer questions let him answer.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 01 Sep 05 - 01:21 PM

Just answer the question please.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: DavidHannam
Date: 01 Sep 05 - 10:34 AM

Sorry, been working busy, don't always have time to come on here you know...hence the deafening silence!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ok, will have a read through and answer points worth answering, as you all seem to be getting rather excited over nothing.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Paul Burke
Date: 31 Aug 05 - 06:55 AM

Care to specify where the BNP has judged someone on skin colour?
..
BNP Manifesto
a lot of shite cut out
rootless coffee-coloured consumerism....

Reminds us just a little bit of the grinning piccaninnies evinced by a previous British intellectual?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Aug 05 - 06:28 AM

The silence is deafening

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: CarolC
Date: 30 Aug 05 - 04:04 PM

A link to this thread was posted in one of the Muslim-bashing threads...

http://help.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=2926&messages=13#13903

No answer in that thread, and no answer in the Muslim-bashing thread either. Based on this consistant lack of an answer to the question of whether or not David Hannam was cought by the police while he was in the process of distributing those leaflets leads me to the conclusion that he was, in fact, caught by the police while in the process of distributing those leaflets, and that he most probably was involved in writing them as well.

I suspect that anyone who lives in the area in or around Hull could pretty easily find out if the police records show whether or not he was caught by them while in the process of distributing those leaflets. And if he was, we can probably safely assume that pretty much everything he tells us about his attitudes and intentions is a lie.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 30 Aug 05 - 02:55 PM

Does anyone know this judge? People can make the craziest judgements at time, so doesn't mean a thing to me. Heck, we don't even have the name.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Aug 05 - 02:15 PM

So the Judge said "i do not believe that you have a single racist bone in your body" and then promptly jailed him for 3 months.

Smoke and mirrors smoke and mirrors smoke and mirrors etc

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: CarolC
Date: 30 Aug 05 - 01:45 PM

If he were to say, for instance, "yes... I was at least partially responsible for those leaflets" (even if he was only responsible for having helped distribute them), and if he said he no longer holds whatever beliefs made it possible for him to assist in that kind of incitement to hatred, and he regrets that he ever did, it might be possible to trust that he does not now have a hate agenda.

He has not done this. He has only tried to obfuscate and mislead us into complacency about his agendas by making it look like he had nothing whatever to do with writing or distributing the leaflets. When people lie to me and try to mislead me, I tend to not trust them. I think we are getting the same old product marketed to us in a shiny new package. Our own white supremacist groups here in the US have tried that trick on us a time or two, and most of us don't fall for it any more.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 30 Aug 05 - 01:04 PM

Not answering?

BTW, your manifesto strikes just the right note of cant.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 30 Aug 05 - 12:14 PM

Care to specify where the BNP has judged someone on skin colour? You clearly have not read the manifesto.

BNP Manifesto
In account of that, and also in the understanding that genocide through integration is a threat to all peoples across the world, we also intend to develop a model of 'multi-culturalism' which combines peaceful co-existence with the maintenance of cultural and biological separation. In parts of the world where mass immigration is irreversible, the only thing that can prevent human diversity vanishing into an antheap of rootless coffee-coloured consumerism is the celebration of difference.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Aug 05 - 09:31 AM

He is being judged on a past action . That seems an awful lot fairer than the judgement his party routinely makes based on someones skin colour. Heat kitchen kitchen heat.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: zelger
Date: 30 Aug 05 - 04:34 AM

I dont agree with much David has said but it aint fair to keep harping on at him bout summat he said he regretted when he was 17 years old. give the kid a break.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: zelger
Date: 29 Aug 05 - 09:58 AM

Actually though i hate to admit it the comparison is poor in taste.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Aug 05 - 09:46 AM

Right.

Now answer Carol

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 29 Aug 05 - 09:42 AM

What a ludicrous comparison.

Are you seriously comparing the systematic murder of millions to a modern day political party which is discriminated against via expulsion from jobs? etc.

I'm sorry, but i refuse to compare the murder of 6million or so people, with the expulsion of BNP members from TU's and their employment, and to be honest, i find it very distastful.

The issue of banishment, expelling, exodus, etc, for the millions of jews in the second world war has absolutely no bearing on the issue of BNP members expelled from their jobs.

Your comparison is both an insult to the poor BNP members who have lost their livelihoods, and to the millions who died in the 2nd World War.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 08:41 PM

"How is the issue of BNP members expelled from TU's, tied in with your belief that the holocaust should never happen again? Are you saying Jewish people who were gassed is related in some way to BNP members discriminated against?"

If it's offical that you now believe the Holocaust happened (the ultimate form of banishment, removal, and mass exodus, incidentally), then you should have no problem making the connection between you lot being banished, removed, and exodussed massly)

Should you?

Now answer Carol

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 06:50 PM

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: CarolC - PM
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 03:34 PM

David, do you deny that you were caught by the police while in the process of distributing those leaflets yourself?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 05:42 PM

The problem, is that believe it or not, BNP members are the very last people to be racially offensive in the workplace.

The party has worked very hard to oust the undesirables in the last 6 years, and it has worked, and our reward has been good numbers of elected councillors and one million votes last year and unprecendented membership.

Our members know how we have worked hard to change image, and it is EXTREMELY unlikely for a BNP to be offensive in a workplace.

Arthur Redfearn was sacked from his job as a bus driver because he was democratically elected as a BNP councillor, so why should his family lose their income?

I just don't buy into persecution at all, whatever ones political beliefs. Left, right, centre, whatever a person may believe, it does not warrant dismissal. It is a sad reflection on the fascist labour government.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 05:28 PM

dianavan, not all BNP members act in a way that is unlawful. Freedom of speech is to be considered.( I know david is going to point this out and can't stand the wait).

But should a BNP member act in a way that is racially offensive, then he should lose his job, with no recourse to trade union defence. As should any individual whether acting out of support of a political party or not.