BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 13 Aug 05 - 02:00 PM

fed up Guest,

Thank you for your concern regarding my usage of my time.

I work from home, most of the time. During lunch, or during a break in the evening working, i like to go on Mudcat for two reasons, one because i like folk music, etc, and two because i like the exchange of thoughts ideas, though they often be confilcting.

Some on here have really struck a chord on here and made me think, such as Carol, others have not, lol, but i thank you for your interest.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 13 Aug 05 - 11:39 AM

On BBC News I found 3 page of search results for Kriss Donald. Much less than Lawrence, admittedly, but it's a far cry from NONE.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,Fed up
Date: 13 Aug 05 - 11:06 AM

The man himself..

Many BNP organisers have racist and criminal pasts

Unite Against Fascism exposes criminal elements in BNP

So why spending so much time in Mudcat these days, David? no one listening to you "outside?"

Other things to do with your life..

1. learn a new skill, take a course

2. Take up tap dancing

3. learn how to knit

4. play a sport

5. immerse yourself in a totally different group of people,

6. find out who you really are, for yourself, not what all the propaganda has made you - do you really exist, or are you just a cog in the wheel of the BNP?

7. take up stamp collecting

8. listen to more music.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 13 Aug 05 - 10:16 AM

Yes, I was just waiting for clarification that you provide above. What still worries me is as of present, implies there'll be a change.
Anyway, you might be interested to learn that you agreed with the Nuremberg Laws.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: DavidHannam
Date: 13 Aug 05 - 10:02 AM

What? I imagine some sort of ethnic minority citizenship proposal? Labour Government proposal?

I am interested to know what i was agreeing with though. see my earlier post above.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: DavidHannam
Date: 13 Aug 05 - 09:58 AM

You like the BNP's section on free speech. Wonderful.

No i don't take that as support for the BNP. I agree with some policies of the SWP, but it doesn't mean i support them.

I believe that whatever peoples political affiliations, one should always respect them.

As of present remark. The below point, i believe as of present, i.e in today's multi-cultural Britain, simply would not stand up. Because it would exclude ethnic minorities from the expectation to respect and obey the law and abide by our customs. This is not a good thing.

To believe that this country will never have ethnic minorities is both unrealistic, and perhaps even undesirable, therefore the BNP has stipulated that such provisions and laws that are equal across the ethnic spectrum be there. In other words, in a BNP government, ethnic minorities would, as many do now, obey the law and respect our customs and culture.

(2) A citizen of the Kingdom is one who is of
British or kindred blood, and who, through his behavior, shows
that he is both desirous and personally fit to serve loyally the
British people and the Kingdom.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 13 Aug 05 - 09:51 AM

Very little, parts of free speech, etc, that I agree with anyway. if you think that means I'm for your party or anything like that, you have another think coming.
Now what did you mean by 'as of present'.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 13 Aug 05 - 09:43 AM

So what is the 'little' you agree with, or are you embarrassed to say? lol

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 13 Aug 05 - 09:42 AM

Very little.
Shall I tell you what you've been agreeing with?

Oh, it is simply before you said there were parts you agreed with.

What? I imagine some sort of ethnic minority citizenship proposal? Labour Government proposal?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 13 Aug 05 - 09:35 AM

BTW, when you say 'as of present' what do you mean?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 13 Aug 05 - 09:32 AM

Very little.
Shall I tell you what you've been agreeing with?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 13 Aug 05 - 09:30 AM

ESTATE YOBS CLAIM TO BE `TERRORISTS

Aug 11 2005

Police pledge to crack downon `childish' gangof thugs

By Alan Lodge


YOUTHS battered an innocent pedestrian with an iron rod in a brutal attack at the Mill Quay estate on the Isle of Dogs.

Shocked residents witnessed the assault at around 7.45pm last Tuesday night (August 2) on the housing estate off Wheat Sheaf, just south of Millwall Dock.

An eyewitness, who lives on the estate, told The Wharf: ``I noticed a group of seven Asian teenagers prowling the estate in a menacing way, and calling themselves `terrorists'.

``From their attitude, it was immediately obvious that trouble was brewing.

``Only minutes later, I witnessed them use an iron rod to assault a pedestrian adjacent to Millwall Dock, followed immediately by an attempted assault on a jogger.

``Both attacks were completely unprovoked, and, in my opinion, racially motivated.''

The witness called the police, who promptly arrived on the scene, and he showed them photographs of the attackers he had taken while the drama unfolded.

However, the police were reluctant to follow the matter up as both victims, along with the gang, had since left the scene. ``I found this surprising, as therewere multiple witnesses and good photographs of the perpetrators, but also very frustrating as the youths in question are regular troublemakers on the estate,'' said the witness.

``While they (the police) were trying to convince me to drop the matter, both victims fortunately returned the scene.

``One of them had a deep red welt diagonally across his back from his hip to his shoulder.

``I understand that the police are currently under a lot of pressure. However, I am nevertheless disappointed with their reluctance to investigate a crime when the perpetrators are so easily identified.

``Small wonder that gangs such as these are able to roam estates such as Mill Quay, openly intimidating residents and causing trouble without any fear of the consequences.''

But police are not taking the attack lightly, particularly in view of the recent heightened state of security around London.

Chief inspector Gary Brown said the gang were being ``childish'' by calling themselves ``terrorists''. He added: ``We seem to be getting a lot of it in the borough.

``In the current climate it's very, very serious and we're jumping on it

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 13 Aug 05 - 09:28 AM

Any member who has read manifesto knows about section 4 i imagine yes.

I agree with some of the points and some do not go far enough.

1) A subject of the state is one who belongs to the
protective union of Great Britain, and who, therefore, has
specific obligations to the Kingdom.

I agree with this, as it encompasses the fact that both native Britons and ethnic residents both have a full responsibility to the obligations of the law of the land.

(2) A citizen of the Kingdom is one who is of
British or kindred blood, and who, through his behavior, shows
that he is both desirous and personally fit to serve loyally the
British people and the Kingdom.

Well this is simply not true as of present. Also, as it is unrealistic to expect to never have minorities in the UK, it would exclude those minorities from the demand of rights earned and laws abided by in the UK. If we expect the same of native Britons, we expect the same of all who reside in the UK.

What other parts of the manifesto do you like aside from the ID card policy?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 13 Aug 05 - 07:56 AM

Yes, David and do you agree with the points I asked you about?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,Dave Hannam
Date: 13 Aug 05 - 07:45 AM

News is always biased, one way or another.

Agree.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 13 Aug 05 - 07:43 AM

4. All political parties should be protected by a new law which makes the employment of violence or intimidation for political purposes a serious offence carrying a minimum of two years in prison, or a doubling of the usual sentence for the offence, whichever is the greater.

That one?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 13 Aug 05 - 07:04 AM

News is always biased, one way or another.
Item 4 on your manifesto and do you agree with the four points I asked you about?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 13 Aug 05 - 07:02 AM

So those four points are true about your party?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 13 Aug 05 - 06:58 AM

No i asked what do you think about BBC Biased news reporting?

Item 4, please specify section?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 13 Aug 05 - 06:54 AM

Like any murder, it's sick. Your point?

Was Gable after the family silver or was it something else?

Rejection of ID cards, but are you going to do something of the sort for what you call foreigners, or will you simply deport them. Do your party members know about item #4?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 13 Aug 05 - 06:52 AM

From the manifesto, this should answer your question:

11. While accepting the right of law-abiding minorities, in our country because they or their ancestors came here legally, to remain here and to enjoy the full protection of the law against any form of harassment or hostility, we will also seek to emphasise the importance of the prior status of the aboriginal people. This would be a national extension of the 'Sons and Daughters' policy in priority on housing and school places lists which BNP councils seek to implement at local level.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 13 Aug 05 - 06:48 AM

Judge quote in reference to my own case.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 13 Aug 05 - 06:48 AM

David, would the following be true of your party's goals?

(1) A subject of the state is one who belongs to the
protective union of Great Britain, and who, therefore, has
specific obligations to the Kingdom.
(2) A citizen of the Kingdom is one who is of
British or kindred blood, and who, through his behavior, shows
that he is both desirous and personally fit to serve loyally the
British people and the Kingdom.
(3) The right to citizenship is obtained by the grant of
citizenship papers.
(4) Only the citizen of the Kingdom of Great Britain may enjoy full political
rights in consonance with the provisions of the laws.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 13 Aug 05 - 06:48 AM

What parts of the manifesto are ok?

Gable, lol, yes, the main difference is this. When in court, and you can chase the transcripts to prove me wrong, the Judge concluded by saying,

"i do not believe you have a racist bone in your body".

No, i mocked your source of info as Gable. Hardly unbiased source now is it? A common thief?

What is your opinion on the racist murder of Kriss Donald and disgusting biased news reporting of the BBC, it is sick isn't it.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 13 Aug 05 - 06:40 AM

No, I don't know. Pray enlighten me.

Some parts of your manifesto are ok, but the wording is problematic.
The general tone, if you like.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4644453.stm

Oh and David, you said somewhere not to take the word of Gable, cos he was convicted. Do you agree with the old saying about geese and ganders?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 13 Aug 05 - 06:33 AM

It's the impression one gets

BTW, David. The actions of your party and the speeches of Griffin are worrying, manifesto or no. Talk is cheap after all.

Your posts are getting less clear? Impression? lol, speeches of griffin? Any in mind? You ever been to a NG speech?

lol, please try to be at least clear about what you are saying. You called him a dictator awhile back, aside from the fact it is a party of majority volunteers, and he can be challenged for leadership and removed?

Really...YOU must do better.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 13 Aug 05 - 06:27 AM

Media coverage

At the time, the horrific racist murder of young Kriss hardly registered on the radar of the mainstream British press with only the main Scottish broadsheets, "The Scotsman" and "The Herald" providing coverage. The BBC even today has not one mention of the murder on its website, and please do not just take our word for it.

Try this and then once again examine your conscience when your TV licence reminder comes through the post.

Search the BBC archives and clicking on "Search" in the top right corner.

Type in "Kriss Donald" (two "s")
Note the number of results and how relevant those results are to the search.
Then type in "Stephen Lawrence" and note the number of results.

Two horrific racist murders, two grieving families, two lives lost in the madness of multicultural Britain, yet two different responses from the BBC, two extreme responses from the blinkered anti-white racists who have no shame yet who control what we see and read in the media.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 13 Aug 05 - 06:26 AM

David Hannam what was it like inside prison when you served a prison sentence for inciting racial hatred?

Awful actually. You wouldn't believe it, but the only friend i made in there was a black lad called Martin. He was in for car theft, but he was a decent lad.

It was horrible, for saying i didn't even produce the stupid leaflet, it was a kick in the guts.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 13 Aug 05 - 06:22 AM

Or maybe the remaining percent is Nick Griffin. I suppose until David Hannam deigns to reply, your guess is as good as mine.

You don't know what a remaining rough percentage is in a political party of volunteers? Tell me you are not serious?

BTW, David. The actions of your party and the speeches of Griffin are worrying, manifesto or no. Talk is cheap after all.

Again, as long as you are specfic and clear. haha. Does that remark mean you agree with sections of the manifesto eh?

but there are hundreds! DH told us so it must be true.

HUNDREDS?!!!! I wish. No i never said hundreds, though i wish it was.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Aug 05 - 05:08 AM

David Hannam what was it like inside prison when you served a prison sentence for inciting racial hatred?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 13 Aug 05 - 04:44 AM

DH gone quiet. He's at some folk festival, no doubt.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 12 Aug 05 - 03:57 PM

but there are hundreds! DH told us so it must be true.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 12 Aug 05 - 03:50 PM

DH is coverting mudcatters to BNP voters so fast, it scares the bejeesus outta me!

Not.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,BNP. huh
Date: 12 Aug 05 - 03:33 PM

every body have the right to voice their opinions. just not the BNP because they are just waste of time and space really.
i have heard that HQ of BNP is the mentel hospital. is it true?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 12 Aug 05 - 02:39 PM

Or maybe the remaining percent is Nick Griffin. I suppose until David Hannam deigns to reply, your guess is as good as mine.

BTW, David. The actions of your party and the speeches of Griffin are worrying, manifesto or no. Talk is cheap after all.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 12 Aug 05 - 02:31 PM

LS,

Perhaps those are the ones dragged in by a friend, or maybe they are government infiltrators...

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 12 Aug 05 - 02:26 PM

So can anyone shed light on the mysterious one percent of the BNP that don't volunteer?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 12 Aug 05 - 01:11 PM

It's the impression one gets.

Haha, well as long as your been clear about it...lolol.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Aug 05 - 08:55 PM

it is rubish. and look who is defending Muslims (Rt Hon Sir jOhn from Hull) from Hull..... Your city has just been identified as the must recist city in Hull By Proffessor Gary Craig from Hull Univercity..

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,Proud Kurdish refugee
Date: 11 Aug 05 - 08:24 PM

and not just muslim, every body. as you eat the food turnes into rubish. if you dont belive me, look at your shet as you go to toilet.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,Proud Kurdish refugee
Date: 11 Aug 05 - 08:22 PM

Hi im a muslim and i think muslims are full of rubish.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: pdq
Date: 11 Aug 05 - 08:13 PM

They're rioting in Africa,
They're starving in Spain.
There's hurricanes in Florida,
And Texas needs rain
The whole world is festering
With unhappy souls.
The French hate the Germans,
The Germans hate the Poles;
Italians hate Yugoslavs,
South Africans hate the Dutch,
And I DON"T LIKE ANYBODY VERY MUCH!
But we can be tranquil
And "thankfill" and proud,
For man's been endowed
With a mushroom-shaped cloud.
And we know for certain
That some lovely day
Someone will set the spark off,
And we will all be blown away!
They're rioting in Africa,
There's strife in Iran.
What nature doesn't do to us
Will be done by our fellow man!

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: jpk
Date: 11 Aug 05 - 08:01 PM

aw hell,don't be racist about it,be an equal oppertonity bigot,
i hate everyone the equaly
have a good day,an god bless anyway

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 11 Aug 05 - 06:37 PM

It's the impression one gets. Mind you, he doesn't have the pomposity or swagger of a Mosely. Is shifty and furtive closer the mark?
What of the remaining percent? Are they chained to their laptops?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 11 Aug 05 - 05:58 PM

tell me how a man can be a dictator in a party of 99% volunteers and in a party where he can be challenged and removed if so the wish of the membership?

First you said he was a dictator, aside from the fact he can be removed and 99% are volunteers, then you said it was his ambitions that were dictatorial, but the manifesto completely contradicts what you say.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: CarolC
Date: 11 Aug 05 - 04:17 PM

Yeah, I'd love to know about that one percent of non-volunteers, too.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 11 Aug 05 - 04:16 PM

Wonder why nobody cared enough to vote for you?
Pretty wrapper though.
#4 is particularly interesting, all things considered.
Is the remain percent conscripted, guns pointed at their heads, mercenaries, what?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 11 Aug 05 - 04:00 PM

damn those italics

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 11 Aug 05 - 03:59 PM

No Le Scar, you didn't answer. I asked, "tell me how a man can be a dictator in a party of 99% volunteers and in a party where he can be challenged and removed if so the wish of the membership?"

and you upto now have answered,

Frankly I don't care how many volunteers he has, dictator was about his ambitions, say what you will.

That is not answering the question. As for ambitions, when you consider on the issue of democracy, the manifesto reads,

1. All laws against traditional free speech rights will be repealed, starting with the vague, politicised, and hypocritically-enforced laws pertaining to race and religion, which are virtually never enforced against foreigners attacking the racial and religious groups indigenous to Britain.

2. Guarantee the right of organisations and individuals who espouse unpopular opinions but have not broken any laws (other than illegitimate laws against free speech) to organise and campaign free from interference from or discrimination by, the police, other state institutions, and bodies such as trades unions, employers' organisations or commercial entities.

3. Guarantee the rights of individuals to join, and organise according to their political beliefs in, trades unions and professional bodies.

4. All political parties should be protected by a new law which makes the employment of violence or intimidation for political purposes a serious offence carrying a minimum of two years in prison, or a doubling of the usual sentence for the offence, whichever is the greater.

5. We will disband all government-sponsored attempts to exploit ethnic minority voters by means of such programmes as Operation Black Vote.

6. A ban on postal voting for all except the seriously sick and elderly. No use of electronic or other non-polling booth voting systems, as none will yet command the confidence of the electorate in the way which the traditional ballot box does.

7. Instruct the Electoral Commission to deal as a matter of urgency with the way in which organisations which do not themselves contest elections are at present permitted to denigrate individual candidates or parties, thereby allowing their rivals to circumvent the proper spending limits on election material.

8. Ban the conducting or publishing of opinion polls in the last three weeks of an election campaign, as these can be used to 'stampede' voters and manipulate the democratic process.

9. In order to ensure that vested interests cannot 'buy' political parties, we will legislate to ensure that political parties must organize and function only with such funds as they are able to raise from their own members and supporters. State funding, corporate donations by businesses or pressure groups, and political dues from trades unions will all be outlawed.

10. The rejection of ID cards – the core technique and expression of the repressive Surveillance State.


Hardly the writings of a dictator.

Your 'insult' is simply ridiculous, and i am afraid you are looking silly.

First you said he was a dictator, aside from the fact he can be removed and 99% are volunteers, then you said it was his ambitions that were dictatorial, but the manifesto completely contradicts what you say.

You have not done your homework.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 11 Aug 05 - 03:43 PM

You still didn't explain the remaining percent, BTW.