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Not losing the thread...

McGrath of Harlow 21 Aug 05 - 04:20 PM
MudGuard 21 Aug 05 - 04:25 PM
Bill D 21 Aug 05 - 06:48 PM
McGrath of Harlow 21 Aug 05 - 06:56 PM
GUEST,.gargoyle 21 Aug 05 - 07:55 PM
Uncle_DaveO 23 Aug 05 - 12:50 PM
MMario 23 Aug 05 - 12:53 PM
GUEST 23 Aug 05 - 01:00 PM
CarolC 23 Aug 05 - 01:56 PM
Nigel Parsons 23 Aug 05 - 02:08 PM
Lin in Kansas 23 Aug 05 - 08:15 PM
Liz the Squeak 24 Aug 05 - 03:42 AM
John MacKenzie 24 Aug 05 - 03:58 AM
MMario 24 Aug 05 - 08:34 AM
McGrath of Harlow 24 Aug 05 - 10:12 AM
JohnInKansas 24 Aug 05 - 04:12 PM
McGrath of Harlow 24 Aug 05 - 08:20 PM
Bill D 24 Aug 05 - 08:56 PM
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Subject: Not losing the thread...
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 21 Aug 05 - 04:20 PM

Not losing it when the Mudcat goes walkabout, I mean.

You're following some interesting threads, maybe contributing to them, maybe just reading what other people are posting. And then the Cat goes down.

And when it comes back up, the threads have gone, because of the time lapse. And you can't remember which threads they were perhaps. I get the feeling that quite often this kills off threads before they deserve to die, because out of sight means out of mind.

There's a simple way round that, and I've started doing it. Just reset the Refresh Filter to three days as soon as the Cat comes back.


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Subject: RE: Not losing the thread...
From: MudGuard
Date: 21 Aug 05 - 04:25 PM

There also is the "Add to Tracer" feature - the traced threads will be linked on your personal page.


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Subject: RE: Not losing the thread...
From: Bill D
Date: 21 Aug 05 - 06:48 PM

one other way is to use a brower that remembers where you were. Opera will do this automatically if you tell it to. Firefox will do it if you download a special 'extension' and install it properly.

In Opera, I can keep a record for days of exactly where I have been in Mudcat, and also keep other page sites open when I think I might want to be reminded of them. It's a feature you didn't know you needed until you have used it for a bit - then you hate to do without it!

I see no harm in having several browsers for different occasions....as long as they're NOT Internet Explorer. ;>)


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Subject: RE: Not losing the thread...
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 21 Aug 05 - 06:56 PM

I wasn't so much thinking of the difficulty of being able to find the lost threads myself, but rather, passing out a suggestion that might encourage other people in keeping the conversations going in spite of the downtime breaks.

The point is, we aren't stuck with the 24 hour forum limit, unless we choose to be.

Of course there are some threads where it's quite a good thing if they get swept away and forgotten...


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Subject: RE: Not losing the thread...
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 21 Aug 05 - 07:55 PM

Dearest Mr. Harklow -

Re: passing out a suggestion - you may as well be passing wind

Re: we aren't stuck with the 24 hour forum limit, unless we choose to be jump on the band-wagon help petition JOE, max, Slimp to create a THIRD SECTION - a place where TRUE (not gigs, not chatty, not Hull crap or even Who's Going Shite....but a genuine discussion area - it might roll over in a week or two - after the Spring equinox - many "real folk" don't have a chance to drop in but every so often -

The MC needs a "third-level-screen" We know where the B.S.......allow the "folk" to sift through the gravel.....and arrive at "gem-stone discussions" that remain "ABOVE_LINE" for at least a week.

I don't have the patience or time to sift.

Make the "ABOVE - ABOVE - The Line" an open area - where GUESTS are welcome - but just because a comment notes a Gb-dim - it doesn't make it "Folk" not "Blues" not even musical - too many wannabes are manipulating the format.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle


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Subject: RE: Not losing the thread...
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 23 Aug 05 - 12:50 PM

I'm with McGrath.

When I get to MC, I immediately page down to the last thread that's black instead of blue, meaning I've read it. I start searching for interesting things up from there.

If there is no "black" thread in the "upstairs", I reset for three days, and then look for the most recent "black" thread.

I see no practical reason for the major change that Gargoyle suggests. And I can imagine there would be big technical problems, with band width if nothing else, if it were adopted.

Dave Oesterreich


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Subject: RE: Not losing the thread...
From: MMario
Date: 23 Aug 05 - 12:53 PM

jayzus! YOu want the default to be a week? Do you know how clogged this place would be?


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Subject: RE: Not losing the thread...
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Aug 05 - 01:00 PM

If you're using IE, expand the 'History' tab. All the traces are there!


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Subject: RE: Not losing the thread...
From: CarolC
Date: 23 Aug 05 - 01:56 PM

Bill D, what is the name of that Firefox extension? I'd like to download that one.


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Subject: RE: Not losing the thread...
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 23 Aug 05 - 02:08 PM

Gargoyle's suggestion makes some sense.

A third section (title to be decided "Definitely Not BS" or "Serious Music Discussion") in which Guests cannot start threads.

Yes, I know we've been over this ground, and much informative work is done in response to Guest queries. Restricting Guests to only initiating threads in the General (currently 'above the line') or BS, threads would leave a new section (strongly moderated!) for serious discussion.

Any query posted by a Guest in the general section would probably continue to be answered in time-honoured fashion. But it would take a member to post a link to it in the new 'reserved' section, or to 'sponsor' the thread & PM Joe or a 'Clone' with a request that the whole thread be 'promoted'

Just as one can screen out the BS threads, the new 'Upper' list could be screened with a refresh rate of five days or whatever.

Just my two-penn'orth

Nigel


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Subject: RE: Not losing the thread...
From: Lin in Kansas
Date: 23 Aug 05 - 08:15 PM

Hoo, boy! Not only can I foresee a technical struggle to perpetrate this "suggestion," I can foresee a whole new board-wide series of threads carping about "Mudcat elite" again! -- and again! -- and again! Get a grip, guys...

Lin


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Subject: RE: Not losing the thread...
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 03:42 AM

So why should we all have to sift through three boards just because one person who very rarely contributes anything either useful, funny, erudite or even correctly spelled, can't be arsed to sort through it himself?

Leave it alone!

Or better still, just leave!

LTS


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Subject: RE: Not losing the thread...
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 03:58 AM

We have more friction between members than that caused by guests lately Garg.
Giok


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Subject: RE: Not losing the thread...
From: MMario
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 08:34 AM

I thought "above the line" was music and "below the line" was for general non-music?


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Subject: RE: Not losing the thread...
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 10:12 AM

I think setting up some formal thing like gg suggests wouldn't be good for the Mudcat.

Perhaps the Cat could be tweaked so that people could adjust the default to suit themselves, so that if they only come here once a week they could set it up for seven days instead of one. (And then take seven days reading all the threads...)

I thing the thing is that it takes a long time to learn all the ins and outs of the Mudcat (in fact I doubt if many people ever do), so my suggestion was a reminder to newcomers of something they might have missed.

Or would it be possible to have things set up so that only time when the Cat was up and running counted? So you wouldn't have threads vanish while noone is able to read them.


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Subject: RE: Not losing the thread...
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 04:12 PM

If one presumes that mudcat will always and forever be subject to frequent long shutdowns, then a remedy might be in order. Most of us live in hope that all the problems will just go away (by mysterious methods known only to the wizards) and WHEN THAT HAPPENS, the debate about "lost threads" will be irrelevant.

It might be supposed that the Boolean capabilities of the system are sufficient that the default might list the last 30 threads in each section OR last 1 day, whichever is larger. An even simpler measure might be to just arbitrarily set the default to "last 30 posts" for each section. The value of such a change though, for those who can click twice to refresh last 3 days, would be marginal; so this is a "for dummies only" sort of thing and shouldn't detract from getting back to normal.

Why bother?

As to the suggestion that there should be a special section for those who live in the dream world where "what's important" is known only to them, and nothing else is of interest, perhaps proper medication or other therapy would be of assistance.

John


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Subject: RE: Not losing the thread...
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 08:20 PM

I've rather got used to the time-out breaks. I almost feel the Mudcat wouldn't be the Mudcat without them. They punctuate things.

Mind, I could probably live happily with a Mudcat that never went wakabout, but I'm not holding my breath in imminent expectation. And in the meantime I think some tweaking on the lines suggested would be handy. For any newcomer it must be pretty hard to follow things at times.


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Subject: RE: Not losing the thread...
From: Bill D
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 08:56 PM

Carol...sorry I missed your post yesterday...the extension is called "session saver"...


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Subject: RE: Not losing the thread...
From: Bill D
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 09:07 PM

this should get you there session saver


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Subject: RE: Not losing the thread...
From: CarolC
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 12:29 AM

Thanks Bill!


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