BS: KatrinaGate

Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Bobert
Date: 07 Apr 10 - 10:38 PM

Then start a thread on Dixiecrats, Sawz... This thread is about the botched job the Bush administration did after 9/11 on creating a structure to deal with national emergenicies, including Bush's National Reponse Plan which turned out to be nuthin' more than BS created by folks who were his appointeees... Totally bogus...

But now that you seem interested in the Dixiecrats, I would invite you to go to the library and use a computer that isn't corrupted with givin' you right wing BS web-sites and blogs and do a little research... I'll be more than happy to jump in when time permits...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Sawzaw
Date: 10 Apr 10 - 12:01 AM

As usual Bobert does not want to venture any information. Firstly because he has none and secondly because he likes to attack others rather that do any work presenting facts except for Bobert "facts".

He'll spend hours typing all kinds of excuses to avoid producing information that would only take a few minutes and then says he does not have the time to give an answer.

Another avoidance is to send people out on a mission to find facts for him cause he is to lazy to write down what he claims to know.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Perfessor Bobert. Are you going to give your lecture on Dixiecrats 101 today?

What? Go to the library? Hummm Looks like you are pretty worthless as a source of information. Unless it is a political attack.

"I've got a file that's a half inch thick and countin'.... Well over a 100 pages of stuff, all related to Katrina..."

Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Apr 10 - 10:39 PM

Sawz, Sawz, Sawz...

Man, that was some heavy stuff there... I mean, yer attacks on me are really getting very entertaining...

But for the record, the Bush administration (after 9/11) put together the "National Response Plan" to provide emergency assistence to any community that would be so overtaken by a disaster (think 9/11 here, Sawz...) that it's resources were not sufficient for that community to weather the disaster...

Katrina proved that Bush's plan (think reasons for going into Iraq here) was nothing more than a figment of Bush's own imagination...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Sawzaw
Date: 11 Apr 10 - 12:44 AM

In other words, Bobert knows squat about Dixiecrats

Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Bobert
Date: 11 Apr 10 - 07:58 AM

No, Sawz... Start another thread on Dixiecrats if you want to talk about them... This thread is about Bush's failings after 9/11 to govern in a way that made our country safer...

But we can do Dixiecrats... Might of fact, seeing as you have this very distroted view of the history of political parties, a little review for you wouldn't hurt you at all...

Now back to Katrina...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Sawzaw
Date: 08 Jun 10 - 09:55 AM

Washington Post / ABC Poll: Federal response to Gulf spill rated lower than Katrina efforts

Jun 07, 2010

More Americans are critical of how the U.S. government has handled the Gulf oil spill than were of the federal response to Hurricane Katrina, according to a new ABC News/Washington Post poll.

Six weeks after the spill began, 69% rate the federal response negatively, compared with 62% who did so two weeks after the August 2005 hurricane.

Nearly two-thirds, or 64%, support the pursuit of criminal charges against British Petroleum and other companies involved in the USA' worst oil spill. Four-fifths, or 81%, rate BP's response negatively.

The poll of 1,004 U.S. adults was conducted Thursday through Sunday, mostly before BP announced that a containment cap on the well is collecting a substantial portion of the leaking oil. Still, nearly three-fourths, or 73% percent, see "unnecessary risks taken by BP and its drilling partners as a significant factor in the spill.

The same share also call the Deepwater Horizon spill a major environmental disaster, up from 55% in a Pew Research Center poll a month ago. This view is held almost equally by Republicans as by Democrats.

Yet, the poll, which has a 3.5 percentage point error margin, finds Democrats less critical of the federal response; about 56% rate it negatively, compared with 81% for Republicans.

President Obama said Monday that capturing the leaking oil will take months and cleaning up the environmental and economic damage will take even longer, reports USA TODAY colleague David Jackson.

"What is clear is that the economic impact of this disaster is going to be substantial, and it is going to be ongoing," Obama said after a Cabinet meeting at the White House. He called on BP to be "quick and responsive" to damage claims from residents and business people.

Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Ebbie
Date: 08 Jun 10 - 11:54 AM

Here is a pertinent fact: "Six weeks after the spill began, 69% rate the federal response negatively, compared with 62% who did so two weeks after the August 2005 hurricane."

Note that this Gulf mess poll was taken SIX weeks after the spill; the Katrina poll was taken TWO weeks after the storm.

Might it be that at two weeks people figured that things would get rapidly better in the region? Didn't happen.

Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Bobert
Date: 08 Jun 10 - 12:37 PM

There was an excellent piece in yesterday's Post on this subject written by Eugene Robinson... He went down the time line of just what the Obama Administration has done in terms of a federal response to the oil spill and it is purdy incredible... Maybe Eb can find it and do a link to it...

But Eugene's observation is that inspite of all that the feds have done since the spill the Obama administration hasn't done enough to blow it's own horn... Yeah, I'm not too sure why Obama is unwilling to get out there and do the PR but it is becoming a problem for his administration... I mean, it's great to respond forcefully to situations but if ya' ain't out there selling, like George Bush was so good at, then the perception is that you aren'ty doing anything, which in this case is contrary to the facts...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Ebbie
Date: 08 Jun 10 - 01:21 PM

I didn't find the article Bobert refers to but here is one that also clearly delineates Obama's actions since he learned of the Gulf spill.

Timeline Contradicts "Obama's Katrina"

Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: mousethief
Date: 08 Jun 10 - 01:40 PM

The people who bitch about Obama not doing enough about the oil spill are the same people who bitch the federal government is too big and takes too many things on itself that should be done by the states. Which is it? Go away and get your priorities straightened out, then come back and admit which you were wrong on.

Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: pdq
Date: 08 Jun 10 - 02:00 PM

...the site that Ebs just linked to is:

"Media Matters for America (MMFA), a 'Web-based, not-for-profit progressive research and information center dedicated to comprehensively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative misinformation in the U.S. media,' was founded by David Brock in mid-April 2004.

Along with former MoveOn consultant Tom Matzzie and John Podesta's Center for American Progress, it is behind Progressive Media, a liberal messaging campaign launched in 2008 and expanded in 2009 to become a 'war room' for promoting the foreign and domestic policies of Barack Obama."

Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Jun 10 - 02:24 PM

I assume, PeeDee, you'd prefer Glenn or Rush for absolutely bias-free information.

Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Ebbie
Date: 08 Jun 10 - 02:54 PM

In what way, pdq, does that information invalidate any of that timeline?

Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Bobert
Date: 08 Jun 10 - 03:02 PM

Me thinks what we have is more revisionists thinking... I remember back during the first few months after it was apparent that there were no WMDs in Iraq that these same people were rewriting the reasons for the invasion as if everyone else on the planet hadn't been paying attention... I mean, that's exactly what is going on here... Could Obama done a better job with PR... Well, yeah... But one major difference between Obama's style abd Bush's is that Obama is more into the nuts and boths of governing, somethin which Bush never quite understood and less about pumping out his chest bargging about stupid stuff of which Bush was a master...

Break time is up...

Back to farmer Boberdz...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Jun 10 - 06:40 PM

The people who bitch about Obama not doing enough about the oil spill are the same people who bitch the federal government is too big...

Damn right, Mouse!

These people gotta remember that Government Is The PROBLEM - NOT the Solution!

Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Sawzaw
Date: 01 Oct 10 - 11:59 AM

Bobert: If you have a couple weeks you could read the entire "Katrinagate" thread which I started in response to a hand picked issue from the Mudville right and after 800 posts I don't I shreaded every argument they made...

Here's how Bobert "shreads" arguments, He weasels out by calling his asinine, unprovable "facts" jokes and then puffs out his chest and thumps on it while bragging about his accuracy.



Bobert: "Had the terrorists hit New Orleans with a bomb that blew up the the Lake Pocigtraine dam,"

Guest: Still looking for Bobert's Lake Pontchartrain dam.

Still wondering how a 25 year job could have been completed in time to save NO even if it was started the day GWB took office.
..

Bobert: Danged, GUEST, ain't you figured out nuthin' about me yet??? I do throw out a little comic relief now and then just to ligthen stuff up... Everyone who has been paying attention know fully well that there's no dam.... I mean, we were all bimbarded with overhaeds of the area...

You need to lighten up and stick with the real stuff and leave my obvious *finnin'* alone..

It is not *finnin'* it is a stink bomb like he brags about. He trolls and then sits back and laughs when people respond. Great fun eh Bobert?

Bobert: "Then I sneak out to Mudcat when them's is asleep and light stink bombs here in the Catbox... I know I shouldn't do it but "

Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Bobert
Date: 01 Oct 10 - 01:48 PM

Fuck off, Sawz... No one here, including me, has any interest in yer little obseesion with me... See yer shrink...

Now if you have some rebuttal to the arguments I put forth here in this thread, fine, but just showin' yer ass to the Mudville community is getting (yawn) rather boring...

You need mental help...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Sawzaw
Date: 02 Oct 10 - 11:14 AM

I think it is trolls and self admitted stink bombers that need help. They are obsessed with their self.

You want the attention. You ask for people to prove you are wrong and you get it. Problem is you don't like to lose so you get all huffy puffy and attack the person instead of the facts presented.


"What motivates the irrational mind to protect their beliefs in the face of any and all evidence?
The "Ego" which always seeks to grow ever larger.
And, in fact, that is exactly what it does.
That is why the irrational person will NEVER, EVER admit they are wrong under ANY circumstances."

Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: GUEST,Ebbie, housesitting
Date: 02 Oct 10 - 11:22 AM

That is why the irrational person will NEVER, EVER admit they are wrong under ANY circumstances." Saws

I don't agree with you about Bobert but in general I think you may be right- I haven't heard you express error. Frankly, I think your obsession with Bobert is unhealthy - for you - and unpleasant - for us.

Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Sawzaw
Date: 02 Oct 10 - 12:35 PM

"I haven't heard you express error"

If I find posts where I admit I was wrong will you admit you were wrong?

Bobert posts things that are wrong and he will not face up to the facts.

I have never called him a liar, just wrong.

Now there is a real pleasant fellow.

Can you tell us what would have happened "Had the terrorists hit New Orleans with a bomb that blew up the the Lake Pocigtraine dam" and what that proves?

Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Sawzaw
Date: 02 Oct 10 - 05:15 PM

Obama pumps out his chest and says:

"he will take steps to ensure that the federal government will never again allow such catastrophic failures in emergency planning and response to occur."

But then:

Rolling Stone Politics:

On May 27th, more than a month into the worst environmental disaster in U.S. history, Barack Obama strode to the podium in the East Room of the White House. For weeks, the administration had been insisting that BP alone was to blame for the catastrophic oil spill in the Gulf -- and the ongoing failure to stop the massive leak. "They have the technical expertise to plug the hole," White House spokesman Robert Gibbs had said only six days earlier. "It is their responsibility." The president, Gibbs added, lacked the authority to play anything more than a supervisory role -- a curious line of argument from an administration that has reserved the right to assassinate American citizens abroad and has nationalized much of the auto industry. "If BP is not accomplishing the task, can you just federalize it?" a reporter asked. "No," Gibbs replied.

Why didn't Mr on vacation Obama follow theThe National Oil and Hazardous Substances Pollution Contingency Plan

The National Oil and Hazardous Substances Pollution Contingency Plan, more commonly called the National Contingency Plan or NCP, is the federal government's blueprint for responding to both oil spills and hazardous substance releases. The National Contingency Plan is the result of our country's efforts to develop a national response capability and promote overall coordination among the hierarchy of responders and contingency plans.

Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Sawzaw
Date: 02 Oct 10 - 05:51 PM

Day 1 – April 20 Explosion in Gulf
Obama returns from L.A. – fundraising for Barb Boxer

DAY 2 – April 21 Obama attends reception for G-20 Labor Ministers

DAY 3 – April 22 Obama hosts Rose Garden reception to honor Earth Day
Obama flies to NYC to push Wall St bill

DAY 4 – April 23 Hey, let's go on vacation to Asheville, North Carolina!
Lunch at Twelve Bones for ribs and mac & cheese
No worries! How about a mountain hike?
Obama squeezes in a round of golf!

DAY 5 – April 24 Let's go golfing again — at Grove Park Inn GC
A nice gourmet dinner at the Biltmore!

DAY 6 – April 25 A scrumptious brunch at Grove Park Resort

DAY 7 – April 26 Obama hosts NY Yankees for White House event

DAY 8 – April 27 Obama visits Iowa for rhubarb pie at Jerry's Diner

DAY 9 – April 28 Obama flies to Missouri for lunch at Peggy Sue's Diner

DAY 10 – April 29 Obama attends DNC fundraiser at swank DC residence

DAY 11 – April 30 Obama flies to MD to view Secret Service binoculars

DAY 12 – May 1 Obama joins Leno for comedy routine at WHCD

DAY 13 – May 2 Obama visits Lousiana

WEEEHAAAA!

Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Sawzaw
Date: 02 Oct 10 - 05:54 PM

DAY 14 – May 3 Obama hosts the Navy football team
DAY 15 – May 4 Obama private lunch with Nobel laureate Elie Wiesel
DAY 16 – May 5 Obama hosts Cinco De Mayo party at White House
DAY 17 – May 6 Just chillin'. Summers gives updates on economy
DAY 18 – May 7 Wizbangs give Rose Garden speech on 'economy'
DAY 19 – May 8 Obama hits links at Ft Belvoir
Dining out at ritzy DC restaurant — Komi!
DAY 20 – May 9 Obama gives commencement speech at Hampton U.
DAY 21 – May 10 Hey, during a crisis, let's pick a SCJ!
DAY 22 – May 11 Private (golf?) lunch with Joe Biden
DAY 23 – May 12 Obama hosts private reception for President Karzai
DAY 24 – May 13 Obama flies to Buffalo for Duff's hot wings
DAY 25 – May 14 Obama finally makes speech on oil spill in Rose Garden
DAY 26 – May 15 Enough of the oil spill stuff… Obama off to golf!
DAY 27 – May 16 Obama golfs (again!) at Fort Belvoir
DAY 28 – May 17 Obama hosts UConn women's basketball
DAY 29 – May 18 Obama tours plant in 'Ohio' (um, oil spill's in LA!)
DAY 30 – May 19 Obama hosts glitzy state dinner for Calderon
Dancing the night away!
DAY 31 – May 20 Obama meets with Bono for some reason
DAY 32 – May 21 Obama chills with the Pittsburgh Steelers…
DAY 33 – May 22 Obama goes golfing again at Andrews Air Force base
DAY 34 – May 23 Obama discusses basketball with Marv Albert
DAY 35 – May 24 Obama hosts Asian American celebration
DAY 36 – May 25 Obama flies to San Fran to party with Getty Oil family And raise millions for Barbara Boxer
DAY 37 – May 26 Obama spends day 2 in CA — with fellow economic wiz

James Carville: "Man, you got to get down here and take control of this, put somebody in charge of this thing and get this moving. We're about to die down here."

"I think they actually believe that BP has some kind of a good motivation here," he said. "They're naive! BP is trying to save money, save everything they can... They won't tell us anything, and oddly enough, the government seems to be going along with it! Somebody has got to, like shake them and say, 'These people don't wish you well! They're going to take you down!'"

Carville also accused the White House of going along with what he called the "let BP handle it" strategy.

"I'm as good a Democrat as most people, and I think this administration has done some good things. They are risking everything by this 'go along with BP' strategy they have that seems like, lackadaisical on this, and Doug is right, they seem like they're inconvenienced by this, this is some giant thing getting in their way and somehow or another, if you let BP handle it, it'll all go away. It's not going away. It's growing out there. It is a disaster of the first magnitude, and they've got to go to Plan B."

Likewise, Chris Matthews argued during a "Tonight Show" appearance that the President was "acting a little like a Vatican Observer."

"The President scares me," he said. "When is he actually going to do something? And I worry; I know he doesn't want to take ownership of it. I know politics. He said the minute he says, 'I'm in charge,' he takes the blame, but somebody has to. It's in our interest."

Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Sawzaw
Date: 02 Oct 10 - 05:58 PM

DAY 38 – May 27 Obama welcomes the Duke Blue Devils
Obama, Clinton hang with the U.S. World Cup team
Obama hosts party for Jewish Americans
Obama family heads off for a weekend vacation
DAY 39 – MAY 28 Obamas back in Chicago for weekend vacation
Obama interrupts vaca for some PR
DAY 40 – MAY 29 Obama leaving U Chicago after some basketball…
The Obamas heading out for an evening of barbecue
DAY 41 – MAY 30 After a night of barbecue and beers, let's hit the gym!
Day 42 – May 31 Obama skips Arlington; gets rained out for Illinois speech…
DAY 43 – June 1 Meets with President of Peru
DAY 44 – June 2 Sings and dances with Paul McCartney
DAY 45 – June 3 Hosts reception for India delegation
DAY 46 – June 4 Hosts MLS Champs, Salt Lake
Flies to Louisiana; spends 4 hours; time for lunch
DAY 47 – June 5 Spends day relaxing; no events scheduled
DAY 48 – June 6 Attends Kelly Clarkson concert Ford Theatre
Biden hosts BBQ for liberal media; squirt gun fights too
DAY 49 – June 7 Gives speech to sleepy Michigan HS
DAY 50 – June 8 Hosts barbecue picnic for members of Congress
DAY 53 – June 11 Date night — Broadway play
DAY 54 – June 12 Compares oil spill to 9/11 — heads to youth soccer match
DAY 55 – June 13 Obama goes golfing! Once again.
DAY 56 – June 14 Flies to Mississippi, enjoys snow cone!
DAY 57 – June 15 Heads over to FL for walk on beach with Charlie Crist!
DAY 58 – June 16 Obama meets with BP CEO for 20 minutes
DAY 59 – June 17 Meets with advisers to start lawsuit against Arizona!
DAY 60 – June 18 Beers and baseball!
DAY 61 – June 19 Obama spends 6 hours golfing again!
DAY 62 – June 20 Relaxes all day; Emanuel bashes Hayward's sailing!
DAY 63 – June 21 Hosts a South Lawn barbecue!
DAY 64 – June 22 Hosts Gay, Lesbian & Transgender Bash!
DAY 66 – June 24 Travels to Virginia burger joint for yuks and photo-ops!
DAY 67 – June 25 Yukking it up at G-20

Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Sawzaw
Date: 03 Oct 10 - 11:58 AM

The previous four posts are off topic. Please erase them Joe.

I was wrong in posting them.

Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Bobert
Date: 03 Oct 10 - 08:06 PM

Earth to Sawz... Betty Ford is awaitin' yer call...

Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: GUEST,Ebbie, housesitting
Date: 04 Oct 10 - 10:29 AM

Off topic, sure. You didn't know that?

But I would like to insert an observation.

Sawsaw:

Day 1, slept
Day 2, slept
Day 3, slept
Day 4, slept
Day 5, slept
Day 6, slept
ad infinitum

You get the picture. How dare you say you cared, when you slept every single night.

Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Sawzaw
Date: 05 Oct 10 - 09:31 PM

Once again Bobert the self confessed stink bomber that ridicules the Mudcat board, "shreads" another argument by referring his response to someone else.

Actually if he would read for a change. He would see it was a question.

And if he was as good as he claims to be, he would be able to answer it.

Anyway this belongs in the All Hail Obama thread, otherwise known as Popular views of Obama which has gone dead.

Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Bobert
Date: 05 Oct 10 - 10:12 PM

Sorry, Sawz... But when I retired from social work, primarially assigned "clients" from Eastern State Hospital (i.e., the nut house) in Petersburg, Va, I decided that some folks with mental problems can be fun to be around... But then again, those with obsessive dysfunctions, were obsessin' on someone/something other than me...

Get my drift, Sawz???

I mean, yer hangin' yer dirty laundry out for all to see here???

I mean, I understand mental illness and there's a difference between mental illness and "personality disorder"... But it's kinda a fine line at time and me thinks you got one foot in and the other out...

My advice to you would be to step back from the ledge, find a wholesome hobby and try to take yer mind off me...

Worth a try...

Serious business...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Bobert
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 08:29 AM

Katrina: 14 inches of rain, 1833 deaths
Isaac: 24 inches of rain, no deaths reported yet

Army Corps of Engineers levees hold as designed... Pumps work as designed...

Now, when Congress approve more $$$ then the next phase of improving the levees can begin...

As for administartions???

Bush: D-
Obama: A

B~

Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Sawzaw
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 09:03 AM

Why did the levees fail? Obama is in charge now, had $787 Billion to spend Carte Blanc but turtle tunnels are more important than levees.

Not even a hurricane but it top's Obama's levees.

Yer doin' a heckuva job there Barry

Slidel:

Due to increasing levels in the bayous, the pumping stations are unable to pump the water out as quickly as it is rising.


Isaac's storm surge tops La. Levee

Some residents in southeast Louisiana had to evacuate after water rushed into their homes.

Tropical Storm Isaac, downgraded from a hurricane about 19 hours after making landfall, drove water over a levee in a lightly populated part of Plaquemines Parish, flattened sugar cane 50 miles west in Terrebonne Parish, forced evacuation of a neighborhood in St. John the Baptist Parish and knocked out power to more than 700,000 households and businesses statewide.

Read more: http://www.ksbw.com/weather/Isaac-s-storm-surge-tops-La-Levee/-/5745260/16415398/-/15mvlwu/-/index.html#ixzz252AiF100

Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Bobert
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 09:10 AM

Yo, Saws... The levees did fail... Get you facts correct... Read real news rather than right winged mythology...

The systems that have been designed and built since Katrina worked as designed... But don't believe me, the New York Times, the Washington Post, NBC, ABC, or CBS...

Yes, some levees were breached... Problem here is that Congress hasn't approved enough money to make New Orleans 100% safe...

Now here's a suggestion... Take that tin-foil hat off and try checking out the non-right-wing-sites for your news... In other words, get your head out of Loonie-Nation's ass and take a breath of fresh air...

B~