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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: DougR Date: 29 Aug 07 - 08:22 PM Uh, Bobert, I assume you feel that the good folks in New Orleans, including it's illustrious mayor, bear no blame for the fact that New Orleans is still on the "ropes". Right? It's all Bush's fault. Well, why not? He's blamed for everything else! Just think when he is no longer in office there will be no more hurricanes, no more tornados, no more robberies, no more murders, no more child molestations:we will live in a land of milk and honey. DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Amos Date: 31 Aug 07 - 07:47 PM Two years ago, Hurricane Katrina devastated New Orleans and the Gulf Coast. In the days following the tragedy, promises to help rebuild that great city and get New Orleanians back on their feet rolled in from the Bush Administration. It turns out, that's all they were—empty promises. Molly L., a MoveOn member from New Orleans, tells what really happened: "The president promised my city aid and help, but we have received almost none. He needs to be told that he was elected as the leader of the American people, and that THEY should be his first priority." It's not surprising that the Bush Administration would fail to deliver—that's their trademark. But we can't let them get away with this blatant neglect of fellow Americans who are trying to rebuild their lives. Clicking the link below will add your name to the petition telling Congress that two years is too long and that they must pass the Gulf Coast Housing Recovery Act of 2007. http://www.moveon.org/r?r=2927?&id=11149-137503-zv1Q_B&t=3 The bill provides desperately needed funds for affordable housing, guarantees the replacement of public housing units, and ensures that all those who wish to return home can do so. It also continues assistance for evacuees to make sure that they have safe, decent housing until they can return home. There is progress in the Gulf, thanks to countless acts of courage and resourcefulness by citizens determined to rebuild. And there is still tremendous suffering—its persistence is a national disgrace. We asked MoveOn members on the Gulf Coast how they were doing two years after Katrina—their stories were uplifting and heartbreaking, eloquent and exasperating. But their message was unmistakable: Don't forget us. Below are some of the messages they asked us to share: Life in the Big Easy isn't so easy anymore, and it might never be quite the same. As strong and proud as we New Orleanians may be, we still need the help of our fellow Americans. –Yanna G., Metairie, LA What helped the people of the Gulf Coast was not the government, not insurance companies, but regular everyday Americans who gave and continue to give of their time, money, moral support, friendship and love to help us here. I am so grateful for that. –Jessica J., New Orleans, LA Recovery has been very slow, especially for renters. We lived in government housing and they have been one of the last to rebuild or repair their buildings. Tomorrow is the 2nd anniversary and we are still in a FEMA camper...made to vacation in, NOT live in. We are very thankful for a roof over our heads, however, we need permanent housing. –Cheryl E., Bay St. Louis, MS Please, please, please continue to write and call your political representatives, as well as the national media, and tell them that it is unforgivable for them to continue to neglect and forget not only my once amazing city,but the entire Gulf Coast region affected. –Molly L., New Orleans, LA Please tell your Congress they must help the Gulf Coast recover. Click here to add your name. Thanks for all you do, |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Bobert Date: 31 Aug 08 - 08:46 PM Refresh... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Bobert Date: 31 Aug 08 - 09:38 PM Well, here we are again with a possible Cat 3 heading for N.O.... One thing is for sure from what I'm seein on CNN and that is the people have no trust in the levies and, unlike in Katrina, are gettin' the heck out... Good job, Georgie... Good job... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 31 Aug 08 - 10:50 PM The thread Gustav is reviving some of the old comments. I hope we don't have a Gustavgate, but the west levees are incomplete. And the H hurricane is out there somewhere. |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: CarolC Date: 01 Sep 08 - 01:21 AM The H storm, Tropical Storm Hanna, is supposed to become a hurricane, then come up the east coast, hitting land somewhere around the Georgia coast Friday afternoon. At least that's the prediction as of today (Sunday)... http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at3+shtml/144212.shtml?5day#contents For anyone who's interested, this graphic has all of the Atlantic storm activity, including areas of activity that have some probability of becoming named storms (right now there's one with a low probability and one with a high probability, plus the hurricane and the tropical storm)... http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo_atl.shtml |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: CarolC Date: 01 Sep 08 - 01:25 AM Here's satellite imagery of both Gustav and Hanna... http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/nwatl/vis-l.jpg |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: GUEST,Sawzaw Date: 01 Sep 08 - 04:52 PM Seems pretty amazing that in only three years, the levees were rebuilt to withstand another hurricane. Somebody deserves a thank you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Bobert Date: 01 Sep 08 - 07:32 PM Send them thank you notes to God, Sawz... If this storm had hit 90 miles east then we'd have a much different story tonight... N.O. dodged a bullet... This time... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Amos Date: 01 Sep 08 - 08:27 PM The storm was topping the levees, just barely in some areas, but the pumps were able to keep up with it. So far so good. I am glad neither party is trying to make political hay out of it. (Knock on driftwood). A |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Bobert Date: 01 Sep 08 - 08:39 PM I'm with you, buddy... N.O. is an accident (on purpose) waiting to happen so it's great that it wasn't this time... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: GUEST,Sawzaw Date: 01 Sep 08 - 10:17 PM Some people were lickin' their lips, hoping for a big catastrophe so's they could whine, weep wail and cry Bush, Bush, Bush. Maybe next time their dreams will come true. |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Amos Date: 01 Sep 08 - 10:26 PM Well, I think some of the Repubs wanted a catastrophe so they could demonstrate how good they were at being responsible about it. Glad that didn't happen, either. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: GUEST,Sawzaw Date: 01 Sep 08 - 11:28 PM How salacious. They wanted a catastrophe so bad that they did everything they could do to prevent one. But my remark was somewhat salacious also. It seems to me that some people want bad things to happen so they will have something else to complain about. In doing so they miss anything positive that might happen and actually seek to nullify anything positive so as not to break the aura of gloom and doom that they project. I am not in to gloom and doom myself. |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Bobert Date: 02 Sep 08 - 07:22 AM Are you even interetsed in facts, Sawz??? Apparently not... The storm center took a path about 100 miles west of New Orleans... If you are looking at the pictures this morning of the waters coming over the levies and imagine what it would have been like if the storm center had actually hit New Orleans it doesn't take much imagination to see that N.O. would have been sverely damaged and the so-called "new 'n improved" FEMA would have been tested... As it is, Bush is sighing a sigh of relief because now that test may fall on the next president... Talk about running out the clock??? B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: GUEST,Sawzaw Date: 02 Sep 08 - 08:42 AM If God is responsible for the levee system working this time then God must have been responsible for the levee system failing the last time. |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Bobert Date: 02 Sep 08 - 10:54 AM Is that yer final answer, Cobgressman??? lol... Last time was a direct hit, Sawz... And, BTW, God ain't responsible for the levies, or guttin' FEMA, or hiring people based on their views on abortion rather than their level of expertise... No, God didn't have His hand in those screw-ups but George Bush sho nuff did and he did a fine job of it... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: GUEST,Sawzaw Date: 07 Sep 08 - 04:18 PM Bobert: If the levees fail when Ike hits, will it be because God did it or Mankind? "Are you even interetsed in facts, Sawz??? Apparently not." Yes I am interested in facts. Are you? Here is a Bobert fact: "The US is getting more and more like Haiti with 1% holding all the wealth" Where did this propaganda come from? |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: CarolC Date: 07 Sep 08 - 04:32 PM This article has some numbers on income disparity in the US... http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/29/business/29tax.html |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Bobert Date: 07 Sep 08 - 05:31 PM Wow!!! This just in folks... Rememeber O(ld Guy??? How about Dickey??? And then it was, ahhhhhh, geeze... the short term memory is going...lol... Ya'l' know... The last of the reincarnations... Well, there weren't no Sawz when I posted the comment about Haiti and I know that a new GUEST wouldn't go thru 14000 of my old posts so, hey, Old Guy/Dickey/________, good to see ya... Carol, Not sure if you get o0r read the recent Nation but there is a very intersting article in there about how the white people in N.O. have used to the rebuilding of N.O after Katrina as a way to reinstitute segregation... Man, they have come up with some real wierd laws that have Jim Crow written all over them... BTW, interesting link and one reason why the country is moving toward a revolution of some sorts... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: DougR Date: 07 Sep 08 - 05:51 PM Some Repubs wished for a catastrophe Amos? Which Republicans would that be? Got names? Got proof? DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Bobert Date: 07 Sep 08 - 08:03 PM It's not that far a leap, Dougie, to see that McCain, who tried his best to distance himself from Bush during the convention, was happy that the hurricane came the day that Bush was supposed to address the Republican Convention... I'm sure that there was a major sigh of relief when N.O. was told to evacuate... The old McCain wouldn't have been driven by the politics but under the toolage of many of the old Bush cmapaign people the new McCain is taking nicely to carrying on where Bush has left off, both in policies and in his divisive style... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: DougR Date: 07 Sep 08 - 08:10 PM It seems like a pretty far leap to me, Bobert. As far as GWB's role at the convention, who knows, perhaps the Almighty was working in one of those mysterious ways. :>( DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Bobert Date: 07 Sep 08 - 08:15 PM Okay, Dougie, maybe He was??? No matter... The McCain folks must have felt like it... They did not want Bush there and if it meant New Orleans getting blasted I dare say that most of McCain's handlers would have privately said, "Bring the sumabich on..." Strange this relationship between Bush and hurricanes... They blast him where ever he is... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: PoppaGator Date: 08 Sep 08 - 04:28 PM Katrina was by no means a "direct hit" on New Orleans. The storm passed to the EAST, meaning that the prevailing (counterclockwise) hurricane winds in the N.O. area were coming from the north-northeast. The levees should have held, and they didn't. Gustav passed to the west/southwest of New Orleans, meaning that the storm winds were coming from the south/southeast ~ from the water. This makes for a more dangerous storm surge into Lake Pontchartrains and Borne and the MRGO (Mississippi River Gulf Outlet, an especially dangerous manmade feature creted at the behest of shipping and petroleum interests). The levees have obviously been improved since '05 ~ if they hadn't, Gustav would have been worse than Katrina. (Flooding in the city would have been the same thing all over again, and damage around Louisiana but outside the NO area was worse.) It was a close call, and those levees still need further improvement. Indeed, continuing work is scheduled through 2010. The Industrial Canal very nearly overtopped the west-side levee, i.e., the upper ninth ward, and my side. The east-side levees, which failed spectacularly afrter Katrina, were rebuilt 3-4 feet higher and were not in danger of overtopping during Gustav. Everyone performed much better this time around than three years ago, public officials and private citizens alike. No person or party should either claim credit or place blame. Before Katrina, it was impossible to take the threat seriously enough because it was impossible to imagine what could really happen. (Impossible for most people, anyway.) I never blamed the Bush administration for anything to do with the disaster EXCEPT for fouling up the recovery process by having gutted FEMA of professional staff and turning it into a patronage mill (case in point: Arabian-horse expert Michael Brown's appointment as head honcho). I think that's a very fair criticism. A good friend who is a longtime registered nurse had taken part in a simulated hurricane drill less than a year before Katrina. She took the exercise seriously, but was appalled at how few of her coworkers, peers, and superiors shared her serious attitude. People simply couldn't believe that the worst could actually happen, and so took the training exercise as an opportunity to take time off from work, "smokin' and jokin'" their way through a day off from the regular routine. These were some of the many many folks who failed miserably when a crisis actually happened. The highly visible politicians and other "leaders" were not alone in falling short, nor were the bottom-dwelling scum who got themselves on national TV as looters. They did wrong, for sure, but so did countless folks on every socioeconomic level in between. Katrina was THE defiunitive "reality check." Everyone learned a bitter lesson ~ or two or three ~ and everyone behaved more appropropritely this time around. No one party or personality did better than any other, and anyone who claims otherwide in an effort to make political hay is simply full of it. PS to Jayto & many others who saw Katrina wreak havoc far inland: you are correct to observe that Gustav was smaller and never ventured as far north as Katrina at full force. However, Gustav moved north very slowly and meandered around Louisiana, causing greater damage than ever imagined to places like Baton Rouge and Alexandria before weakening and leaving the state. |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Bobert Date: 08 Sep 08 - 07:48 PM Thank you, P-Gator... That has been my point since starting this thread... FEMA was not up to the task because of it being underfunded, understaffed and being managed by people who were not competent... That is all on Bush and thus the "gate" in Katrinagate... Bush was betting that a Katrine wouldn't happen... He bet wrong and got caught... As well as the people in New Orleans... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: GUEST,Sawzaw Date: 09 Sep 08 - 12:01 AM "Subject: RE: BS: Crash of U.S. Economy From: Bobert Date: 15 Jun 07 - 09:03 PM Well, I been saying this for the last couple years here in Mudville... The US is getting more and more like Haiti with 1% holding all the wealth and the rest of the population in the crapper." It ain't hard to find because this thread is still open and Bobert posted to it in January. Ahhhh, How come you duck the questions when they seek to question your "facts"? You asked me If I was interested in facts. I sure am so tell me all about this fact of yours. Where did you get the "fact" that "1% hold all the wealth in Haiti"? Please share your source with us. |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: GUEST,Sawzaw Date: 09 Sep 08 - 12:29 AM My sentiments exactly PoppaGator. A pessimist is an optimist with experience. Now when someone tells them to get out, they get out. |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: PoppaGator Date: 09 Sep 08 - 10:41 AM Glad to be of service, and to give you two something upon which to agree, more-or-less. |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Bobert Date: 09 Sep 08 - 11:30 AM Well, Sawz, I sho nuff ain't backin' away from the statement I made back then about the income disparity in the US... It is no secret that the divide has been increasing since 1982 and accelerated drastically over the last 8 years... Yes, I can envision a situation where the super wealthy will be holed up in their compounds with private security companies like Balckwater protecting them... Actually, I hear that there is a company right now that provides these services for an annual fee that in the case of a catastrope will collect the wealthy and get them to safety and provide for them... Wealthy people are allready purchasing yearing plans for such a scenerio... But down the road when Southern Man figures out just who's hand is in his pocket I'd be willing to bet that these companies will offer simialr services... I mean, all one has to do is tudy history to see the cycles of revolution and they all boil down to resources... There will come a tipping point, Sawz, as there has every time that a small number of folks corral too much wealth... It has happened hundreds, maybe thousands, of times during the history of man... Right now, we have roughly 5% of the population controlling roughly 80% of the wealth... Another way of looking at that is that 95% od the people are having to live on about 20% of the wealth created... Hmmmmm? So what the tipping point is, I don't know... What I do know is that those 95% are being squeezed harder than any time in my life time... This isn't just my opinion but a fact that we hear almost daily... What this means is that unless the rich are willing to share then two things are going to happen. First, as I have allready mentioned, the rich will have to do what rich have historically done before revolutions and that is to protect themselves the best they can... In this phase they will move into compounds... We have allready seen this in many areas with gated communities and private security companies such as Blackwater... Now if they continue to not want to share when things are starting to get uncomfortable and they feel like prisoners then there will occur a revolution... This isn't an opinion based on my imagination but one based on history... Voltaire said, "Those who don't know history tend to repeat it" So the ball is in your court Sawz... Are you willing to bet that this time will be different??? Well, if you are, I'd suggest taking a few history classes before making your wager... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Bobert Date: 09 Sep 08 - 09:24 PM BTW, Sawz... Before youi bring it up... There is a reason why we haven't yet seen a successful revolution in Haiti where over 1/2 the population lives, or tries to live, on less than a dollar a day and that reason is that these golkas don't have guns... Billy Bob has plenty of guns and knows how to shoot 'um... Bad scenerio for Boss Hog... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: GUEST,Sawzaw Date: 10 Sep 08 - 12:38 AM Bobert: You asked me if I was interested in facts. Yes I am interested in facts. Are you so smug and blasé that you are attempting to my question with a question? Where did you get the "fact" that "1% hold all the wealth in Haiti"? Methinks you dreamt it up like the possum. If 1/2 of the population has anything at all to live off of, it does not jive with your "1% holding all the wealth" fact. Will the real fact please stand up. I guess George Hussein Onyango Obama is not much better off with his dollar a day compared with the Haitians. |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: SINSULL Date: 11 Sep 08 - 11:38 AM More good news: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26647780/ |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: PoppaGator Date: 11 Sep 08 - 02:05 PM The immediate response to Katrina (or, more accurately, the lack thereof) was pretty strong evidence that the agency had become a patronage mill, a source of dead-head jobs rewarding Bushite loyalists with easy paychecks. It should be no surprise that the awarding of contracts for dealing with the aftermath, when time was short and approval for funding was pretty much automatic, would present opportunities for fraudualent profiteering that were just too tempting to pass up. Because the Shaw Group, one of the fattest pigs at the trough, is based in Baton Rouge, we heard a lot of crowing about how much money was "staying right here in Louisiana." As though I should be glad that so much money found its way into the pockets of a well-connected few in Baton Rouge, not only to another bunch of fatcats in Washington and its Virginia and Maryland suburbs. |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Bobert Date: 11 Sep 08 - 05:07 PM Thanks, Sins, for that article... Yeah, purdy much sums up alot of what I have been saying since starting this thread almost 3 years ago... I didn't realize that Bectel had recieved so much money, though it being a large corporate donor to the Bush/Cheney administration/regime it is of no wonder... But one thing that Katrina did do is expose just how little interest the Bushites have in providing any level of security for our urban areas... None are prepared for evacuations or for dealing with large situations... It's sad that our governemnt sees fit to spend $12b a month in Iraq but isn't up to the task of protecting it's own citizens... Yeah, as the recent evacuation of New Orleans showed, people get it... The governemnt can't anf ain't gonna do squat so ya' better just get the heck out, even if it means maxing out every credit card you own... It's every man for himself... If Ike hits the Texas coast as a Cat 4 and is still a Cat 3 when it gets to Houston then we are going to witness "Exhibit B" that Bush ain't fixed nuthin'... I hate to say it and I'd doubly hate to see it but that's the way it is... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Amos Date: 11 Sep 08 - 05:35 PM KATRINA -- REPORT SAYS MILLIONS WASTED ON NO-BID CONTRACTS FOR KATRINA RECOVERY: According to a report by the Homeland Security Department's office of inspector general, "The government wasted millions of dollars on four no-bid contracts it handed out for Hurricane Katrina work." The Associated Press called the report "the latest to detail mismanagement in the multibillion-dollar Katrina hurricane recovery effort, which investigators have said wasted at least $1 billion." In the new report, investigators cite temporary housing contracts that were "awarded without competition to Shaw Group Inc., Bechtel Group Inc., CH2M Hill Companies Ltd. and Fluor Corp." by the Federal Emergency Management Administration (FEMA). Investigators found that FEMA "did not always properly review the invoices submitted by the four companies" and "also issued open-ended contract instructions for months without clear guidelines on what work was needed to be done and the appropriate charges," which "wasted at least $45.9 million." Approximately $20 million of the wasted money went towards "a camp for evacuees that was never inspected and proved to be unusable." FEMA said that it "generally agreed" with the report and "would further investigate the $45.9 million in questioned costs and recoup the money as necessary." ... |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: PoppaGator Date: 11 Sep 08 - 05:47 PM One of the ironies we encounter everytime we drive north-by-northeast, either during 2006 when bouncing back and forth between temporary and permanent homes in New Orelans and New Jersey, respectively, or more recently as Gustav evacuees: There's a huge parking lot of unused FEMA trailers ~ hundreds of them ~ right alongside Interstate 59 near Laurel, Mississippi. We taxpayers paid for 'em, some company made the deal and collected their price, and the trailers have been sitting unused at least since early 2006 while hundreds, maybe thousands, of displaced families could have taken temporary shelter in them. Good luck recouping those overpayments. I have a hunch that more effort will be put into dunning flood-victim families for one to two thousand "overpaid" dollars apiece than into trying to hit up any campaign-contributing contractors for hundreds of thousands, even a million or two, each. |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Bobert Date: 11 Sep 08 - 06:21 PM Are those the trailers that have those bad fumes in 'um, P-gator??? If so, the way I hear it they are not safe to live in... That's one of the things that bugs me about how the Bush administartion tried to cover their butts in the aftermath of Katrina in buying stuff too late, like hiring truckers to drive all over the county with trailers full of ice, like giving money to corporations that had given money to their campaigh and now we acres and acres of new trailers that taxpayers paid for that are unsafe??? (But, Boberdz... The guy who own the trailer manufacturing company gave all that dough to Buah and is against abortion, too...) Oh??? B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: GUEST,Sawzaw Date: 11 Sep 08 - 11:03 PM Still waiting for the man of facts to reveal his un-named source on Haitian economic statistics. Yes Bobert I am very interested in facts. Give me some and verify the source. Here is another easy question for Bobert: Do all trailers have bad fumes in 'um or just "the ones" that the anti-abortion/pro Bush Boss Hogg guy sold to FEMA? http://abcnews.go.com/US/Health/story?id=3240532&page=1 |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Amos Date: 12 Sep 08 - 01:49 AM Here ya go, weisenheimer: http://www.fsmitha.com/world/haiti.htm, which I found in thirteen seconds, states concerning Haiti: Wealth Distribution One percent of the populations owns nearly half of the nation's wealth. The elite live a half-hour's drive from Port-au-Prince, in the mountain suburb of Pétionville, where it is cooler and, according to Jared Diamond, they are "enjoying expensive French restaurants and fine wines." Female to male income rate: 52:100 (from Foreign Policy magazine. Quality of Life Ranks next to last, 110, in the Economist Magazine's 2005 Quality-of-Life index. Female literacy rate (published in 2008): 57 percent. SOURCES: http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/ http://www.nationmaster.com/index.php |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: GUEST,Sawzaw Date: 12 Sep 08 - 11:34 AM Dear Amos: If you care to look, I have already posted the correct figure on who owns what in Haiti base on a BBC article. I am trying to get the fact man, Bobert, to reveal where his fact that "1% hold all the wealth in Haiti" came from, a seemingly impossible task because, like some other Mudcatters, he chooses to dodge perfectly legitimate questions. |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Bobert Date: 12 Sep 08 - 02:42 PM Tell ya' what, Sawz/Dickey/Old Guy... Rather than you pestering me like a gnat about something that has nothing to do with this thread how about dealing with the real issue which is the ineptness of the Bush ahministartion in making our urban centers safer and his gutting of FEMA and his appointing people to run agancies who were unqualified... You just like being a pest for the sake of being a pest... You can change your name (spots) as much as you want but we all know that you are same ol' pest who would rather divert attention from your hero, George Bush, so that he and his supporters (you) won't have to accept "personal responsibiliy... 1% or 5%... Like who gives a rat's ass??? No one here and you can take that to the bank, unless of course, it's a Haitian bank... lol... Oh yeah, looks as if there are a few US banks you don't wnat any part of either... lol, part 2... Now buzz off and go peddle yer papers... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: PoppaGator Date: 12 Sep 08 - 04:10 PM "Are those the trailers that have those bad fumes in 'um, P-gator??? If so, the way I hear it they are not safe to live in..." Actually, any small trailer designed for short-term use (two-week vacation, etc.) has enough formaldehyde in the interior building materials to present a danger to anyone living inside,all day every day, for months and months, especially if they don't air it out regularly. And when you're spending a New Orleans summer in a little tin box parked in front of your gutted home, you will probably keep the A/C running 24/7, with all the windows shut all the time and the doors opened as infreqently as possible. Under those conditions, the accumulating fumes can begin to pose a danger to the very young, very old, and chronically ill. ****************************** More FEMA news, just out in the last 24 hours or so: A couple of days after Gustav hit last week, Chertov made a widely publicized announcement that anyone who had evacuated, was holed up in a hotel/motel, and either legally forbidden or simply unwilling to return home beofre power would be restored, could register with FEMA and FEMA would pick up the bill for lodging, paying the hotel directly. He very specifically stated that it was NOT necessary to prove that your home was damaged ~ you obviously would not know the extent of damage, if any, until able to return. The room-rate payment would not be retroactive, that is, it would not pay for the entire evacuation period, but it would go into effect immediately upon phoning in and registering with FEMA for anyone whose address of record was in a zipcode that had flooded and/or where power had gone out and was not immediatley restored. We had already run out of cash and maxed out two credit cards and were driving home a day before we would be "allowed,": so this would not apply to us. However, a lot of folks who were still in hotels that day and running out of money took Chertof at his word and stayed an extra day or two until given the green light to head home. FEMA has now reneged on this promise, and will pay lodging costs only for registered households whose primary residence had actually sustained substantial damage. Anyone who didn't know their home's status, and who DID know that their local authorities were discouraging them from returning, or even actually blocking the roads, and stayed away ~ they're out of pocket for all their temporary-relocation expenses. Apparently, the part about paying the hotels directly was complete hogwash from the start. What payments will be made will be in the form of reimbursement. For all the emphasis varioius news organizations have given the publically-funded evacuation of the indigent population (and of the lack thereof for Katrina three years ago), folks need to be reminded that the vast majority of evacuees do so in their own vehicles at their own expense. Some have friends or relatives located in some safe and accessble area, but most fill up every available motel room within hundreds of miles, paying full rates and of course also spending plenty more on gas and food. Also, of course, all but the most affluent, corporate workers on salary, are spending all this extra money while NOT bringing anything in for a week or more. Hurricane evacuation is a substantial financial hardship for the middle-to-lower-middle class, and it's an unwelcome extra expense even for those who are better off and can more-or-less afford it. The poor do have endure the least comfortable conditions in their publicly-fnded transporation and shelters, of course, but at least they don't take on much extra expense. (The working poor, of course, lose a paycheck or two, as do all the not-quite-so-poor working families.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Bobert Date: 12 Sep 08 - 06:21 PM Ya'll "Ike'rs" hear that??? Better read the small print... Ya' know, P-Gator... Why is it that I am not surprised??? I also heard that Gustov wiped out any reswerve cash the Red Cross had... Hmmmmmmm??? I don't like this hurrican one bit and am truely scared for the folks who are going to lose everything as a result of it... Ain't 'sposed to be this way in America... I mean, $3B a week for Iraq and we can't even protect our own people from being wiped pit finacially??? Somethin' real wrong here... real wrong... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: GUEST,Sawzaw Date: 13 Sep 08 - 12:01 PM Bobert I am merely responding to your question "Are you even interetsed in facts, Sawz??? Apparently not..." And I am asking you again where your fact "1% hold all the wealth in Haiti" came from. That fact caught my eye and I am interested in knowing the source. Answer: _______________________________________________
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Bobert Date: 13 Sep 08 - 04:09 PM Ask until the cows come home, Sawz... It has nothing to do with this thread... You are just trolling and as Joe has pointed out, you are not acting in a civil manner... But then you didn't when you were Dickey or when you were Old Guy or when you were ____________________ or when you were _____________________..... B~ - |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: GUEST,Sawzaw Date: 14 Sep 08 - 10:56 AM I will go by your judgment Joe. You are the boss and you seem to be a fair man. However Bobert asked me a question and I answered it. However he does not like the answer and refuses to answer mine. |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Bobert Date: 15 Sep 08 - 09:17 AM Get a life, Old Guy/Dickey/whomever... Whatever question I asked I rescend... There, now back to the discussion at hand... |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: PoppaGator Date: 15 Sep 08 - 10:25 AM FEMA has cleaned up its act as well as they could over the past three years, but of course news continues to come out about fatcat busnessmen taking every advantage to exploit government contracts ~ and, of course, every instance of "emergency response" is a near-perfect opportunity to rip off the taxpayer. I'm sure that think-tank hirelings, columnists being paid under the table, and talk-radio demagogues will continue to blame the victims for waste and overspending, not the campaign-contributing corporations who are the major abusers of the system. I wonder if those nasty bigmouths will be any kinder to Texan hurricane victims than they were to us Louisianans. (As recently as this year's Midwestern flooding, they were still on their soapboxes denouncing us and pretending that Iowans would be less dependent upon emergenccy funding than we've been.) This latest population to be wiped out by flooding is only slightly more Caucasian than us in next-door Louisiana, but it's much more Protestant and less Catholic, and their gay minority is less visible. It should be more difficult for the dittoheads of the world to demonize a group they see as "their own" than they did us "un-American" Blacks, Catholics, and gays in Louisiana. Of course, Louisiana voted for Bush, pretty overwhelmingly, in the last two elections, with rural white Louisiana expecially receptive to the neoconservative message. But the talkshow assholes liked to pretend that the 15,000-20,000 poor black folks left behind in New Orleans during Katrina ~ and more specifically, the couple-hundred lawbreaking looters ~ were more representative of our population than the 80,000 homeowners who evacuated at their own expense and, in many ases, lost everything they owned. Now that similar numbers of Texans are having the same experience, I'm curious to see how the right-wing hate-and-fear industry will respond. |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Bobert Date: 15 Sep 08 - 08:15 PM I hate to bring this up, P-Gator but there's some dumbass rules for renting and rebuilding in N.O. that comes right outta an old Jim Crow Play Book... I reckon that the old Klaners are feeling their oats and figure that if they can jus' run the rest of the blacks outta Lousianna then Katrina or Gustov or whatever, Louisana will go Repub for the next million years... Maybe you know somethin' about these things, I donno, but the rumblings ain't stayin' right there in N.O. and folks as far away as Virginia have heard 'bout this stuff... B~ |
