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Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool

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Subject: Stan Hugill's 100th
From: GUEST,Jan L
Date: 19 Mar 06 - 09:18 AM

Its all set up!

The weekend of 18 - 19th Novemeber 2006 would have been Stan's 100th Birthday and so we have a one off event organised!

Where - The Liner Hotel in Liverpool

If you would like more info please email jan@chanteycabin.co.uk

No artists will be booked - but everyone will be there because they want to say Thanks to Stan - it will be the best ever sing

Come to the most exciting party of the year!

More info see stanhugill.com

May you always run before the wind

Jan


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 05:46 PM

Refresh


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool
From: Charley Noble
Date: 21 Mar 06 - 02:11 PM

Jan-

I'll be in the neighborhood the month before if anyone would like to get together and rehearse a few sea songs. Unfortunately we fly back to the States October 19th.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool
From: The Admiral
Date: 22 Mar 06 - 02:06 PM

I'm astonished that there has been no apparent interest in this thread! The God Father of the Shanty and Sea Song Movement (Who was it said the Stan wasn't God, he just looked like him?!) Just think of all those songs that you got out of the 'Bible' ('Shanties of the Seven Seas'?). You should be queueing up for tickets! I for one am puting my name down!

Tony


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool
From: yrlancslad
Date: 22 Mar 06 - 04:57 PM

Double damn, I'll be over there in July and August but can't make it back again for November. I don't suppose there's any way one could get the CD and T-shirt without being there......?


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool
From: Charley Noble
Date: 22 Mar 06 - 10:33 PM

Tony-

It is astonishing.

We'll just have to keep refreshing this thread till the nautical Mudcat crowd comes back on deck.

Hey, shake a leg down there!

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool
From: alanww
Date: 23 Mar 06 - 05:26 AM

Calm down Tony & Charley!
This is certainly a maritime event not to be missed but I bet most of the Mudcatters who are interested were already on the mailing list for details.
I have already sent off my application, so now I must get down to sorting out some accommodation ...
"I thought I heard the old man say ...!"
Alan


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool
From: Charley Noble
Date: 23 Mar 06 - 08:57 AM

"I wish I was back in Liverpool..."

"Maggie, Maggie May, they are taking you away!"

"It's not the leaving of Liverpool that grieves me..."

"As I was a-walking down Paradise Street..."

And does Paddy West still run his sailors' boarding house?

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool
From: Charley Noble
Date: 12 Jun 06 - 08:11 PM

Having run into the Ladners at last weekend's Mystic Sea Mustic Festival in the States, I am now up to date with what is being planned. We'll still miss this special event but we'll be in the Liverpool area in Mid-October looking for sea music sessions and other events to attend. The Ladners gracously promised us a personal tour of what remains of Liverpool's sailortown. Maybe if we have enough grog we can transport ourselves back:

We're rolling down to the Liverpool docks,
Yes, we're rolling down to the Liverpool docks;
With them judies all in tow,
Down Paradise Street we'll go;
We're rolling down to the Liverpool docks!

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool
From: GUEST,Pelrad
Date: 13 Jun 06 - 07:51 AM

Charley, did you get a sense from the Ladners of what the interest level is? We have been trying to figure out if we can make it, but beyond that I haven't heard a lot of discussion on the American side of the pond.

Kim (who will be dragging Cindy along, if we can swing the cost!)


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool
From: Noreen
Date: 13 Jun 06 - 08:56 AM

One indication is that the first hotel we tried to book into for that weekend was already full a month ago (not a normal occurrence for a November weekend in Liverpool...) but we booked into our second choice.

Get arranging, folks!

...them Liverpool judies have got us in tow


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool
From: Charley Noble
Date: 13 Jun 06 - 09:33 AM

I've a typo above. It should, of course, be Jan and Ken "Lardner" rather than "Ladner."

This is most likely one of those special events where it's impossible to predict what the turnout will be. However, I would be willing to bet that the nautical singers will be there in strength, and it will be something that folks will be talking about for another hundred years. And I'm sure than old Stan, wher'er he be, will get an ear full!

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpoo
From: GUEST,Greg Bullough
Date: 13 Jun 06 - 11:52 AM

In the travel advice department...

Arriving at Manchester airport, what's the best
method for getting to the Liner Hotel in Liverpool?


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool
From: Noreen
Date: 13 Jun 06 - 12:27 PM

Tram to Manchester Piccadilly station, mainline train to Liverpool Lime Street then walk or taxi - where is the Liner? Must be a new one.


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool
From: Peace
Date: 13 Jun 06 - 12:30 PM

A block south of London Road and three blocks east of Lime Street.


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool
From: Noreen
Date: 13 Jun 06 - 01:30 PM

Three blocks to walk from the station then - or a taxi driver who will be very pleased to see you :0)


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool
From: Charley Noble
Date: 13 Jun 06 - 05:09 PM

This poem was used to introduce Stan Hugill's book entitled SAILORTOWN (copy and paste into WORD/TIMES/12 to line up chords).

Original poem by John Masefield
In Salt-Water Poems & Ballads © 1921, p. 25
Arrangement and new words by Charles Ipcar, Norris Dale & Judy Barrows © 2004
Tune: Charles Ipcar, Music Hall style
Key: G (7/C)

HELL'S PAVEMENT


C------------------F---C--------F-C-------------------------------G-C
"Now, When I'm dis-charged at Liverpool 'n' draws me bit o' pay,
----G7---------------------------C
I'll never, never, go to sea no more;
----------F-C---F-C----------------------------G---C
I'll court a pret-ty little lass 'n' have a wed-din' day,
----G7----------------------------------C
'N' settle down some quiet place a-shore;
----G7------------------------C---------G7---C
I'll never go to sea again a-temptin' Davy Jones,
D-------------------------------------G-------------------G7
Hearkening to them cruel sharks a-hungerin' for me bones;
----C--F-C----F—C---------------------------G---C
I'll run a blush-in' dairy-farm or go a-crack-in' stones,
---G----------------G7----------C
Or buy 'n' keep a little liquor-store."

Chorus:

C-------G------------G7-----------C--------G7-----C
Oh, I'll never go to sea again to plow the ocean deep,
----D---------------------------------------G---------------G7
No more I'll hear "All hands aloft" to rob me of me sleep;
----C------------F—C--------------------------------G----C
I'll settle ninety miles from shore, no more the pier head leap,
----F--------------G7-----------C
I'll never, never, go to sea no more!

Then, they towed her in to Liverpool, we made the hooker fast,
And the copper-bound official paid the crew (paid the crew),
So I drew me money, but me money didn't last,
For I went and painted Lime Street blue (so blue), –
It was rum for Poll, and rum for Nan, and gin for Jolly Jack;
I shipped a week later in the clothes upon me back;
And I had to pinch a little straw, I had to beg a sack,
To sleep on, when me watch was through.

But, I'll never go to sea again to plow the ocean deep,
No more I'll hear "All hands aloft" to rob me of my sleep
I'll settle ninety miles from shore, no more the pier head leap,
I'll never, never, go to sea no more!

A MP3 sample of the first verse and chorus is available from my personal website and on my recording UNCOMMON SAILOR SONGS: Click here and search for lyrics!

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool
From: Schantieman
Date: 14 Jun 06 - 08:52 AM

First I've heard of it and I live in Liverpool (just about).

Definitely interested and can offer some floor space (and possibly a bed) to those in need of accommodation - a 10 minute walk and 20 minute train ride from the city centre.


Steve


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool
From: Peace
Date: 14 Jun 06 - 10:03 AM

Stan Hugill,
Shanties from the Seven Seas
(1961; Mystic Seaport Museum, 1994)


If you have any fascination for the work songs of the sea, Stan Hugill's Shanties from the Seven Seas should be your bible.

Hugill was no deskbound scholar researching a topic through second- and third-hand resources. He was a sailor and a shantyman, making his living from the ocean as long as his kind of worker was still needed. But as machines replaced men on many of a ship's backbreaking tasks, the need for rhythmic shanties to unite the men's labors and lift their spirits were no longer needed. Fortunately, Hugill did his best to preserve the old songs and their histories, and this volume is a true labor of love.

Shanties from the Seven Seas was originally published in England in 1961. It went through several printings, with corrections and abridgements along the way, before being picked up by a new publisher in the late 1980s and seeing its first U.S. release. Now, the Mystic Seaport Museum has re-issued the book and, given the Connecticut museum's interest in preserving nautical history and lore, will hopefully keep it in print.

Hugill, who died in 1992 at age 86, is remembered in this new edition as "a singer, raconteur, amateur anthologist, armchair philologist, self-taught artist, and boon companion." He worked hard at sea during peace and war, survived two shipwrecks, was a German prisoner of war, retired into a new career as a boatswain and sailing instructor for Outward Bound, and was the person most responsible for preserving and reviving the shantyman's art.

"To the seamen of America, Britain, and northern Europe a shanty was as much a part of the equipment as a sheath-knife and pannikin," Hugill wrote in his introduction to this volume. "Shanties were always associated with work -- and a rigid tabu held against singing them ashore. ... To sing a shanty when there was no heaving or hauling would be courting trouble -- and the sailing-ship man was superstitious to a degree."

The 42-page introduction, titled "The Art of the Shantyman," is worth the cover price alone for anyone interested in the history, development and practical applications of shanties, as well as the various historical efforts to trace their roots. Afterwards, the book is packed with lyrics, including variations, and exhaustive details of the songs' distinct uses at sea. The notes are printed for anyone who wants to play or sing the tunes, and Hugill also provided illustrations showing seamen singing at their work.

Although the material is sometimes a trifle dry, Hugill's casual approach to his topic and his narrative style of writing keep it interesting to read and evoke a certain sadness for a way of life long gone. Shanties from the Seven Seas is a fascinating treasure and valuable resource for singers of songs from the sea.


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool
From: Charley Noble
Date: 14 Jun 06 - 11:24 AM

Peace-

Nice summary.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool
From: Peace
Date: 14 Jun 06 - 11:34 AM

Charley, that wasn't my summary. It is from the www.

www.rambles.net/hugill_shanties.html

I should have made that clear.

I was watching this thread kind of loll around, and I found it heart-breaking (in a way) to see that there was not too much posting to the thread.

Of so many things that have been posted to Mudcat about people and their performances, this is one I would love to go see. Stan was a giant--in some ways an unsung hero of sorts--and I think people like him should be shown the greatest respect. I think those who go to enjoy 'his' music, a music he helped preserve, are in for one fine time and some beautiful memories.


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpoo
From: Greg B
Date: 14 Jun 06 - 02:11 PM

Well, we could enliven the thread by posting a bunch of 'Stan'
stories from those who were fortunate enough to know him in
person...


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool
From: Peace
Date: 14 Jun 06 - 02:12 PM

I would love to read them.


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool
From: Peace
Date: 14 Jun 06 - 04:12 PM

Pic of Stan in 1933.


Another from his younger years . . . .


Some of his artwork. Beautiful, raw and powerful.


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool
From: Peace
Date: 14 Jun 06 - 04:14 PM

If he's not been made a National Treasure in Britain, it's time a movement was started to do so.


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool
From: Peace
Date: 14 Jun 06 - 05:15 PM

Stan Hugill Site.


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool
From: Schantieman
Date: 14 Jun 06 - 06:52 PM

He also wrote a shorter book containing about 30 shanties grouped by type (capstan, halyard, stamp & go, pump etc.) with a discussion of their use and some very fine line sketches of the tasks on board. Photos of his last ship, the barque, Pamir too. Imaginitively entitled "Sea Shanties". It was my first introduction to the subject, about 25 years ago and the two books still stand together on my bookshelf alongside Doerflinger and others.

Stan was a fine man; I met him only once, in his vigorous old age when he was the guest at Haddenham FC. I had the privilege of singing on the same bill and chatted with him in the interval. As mentioned above, was very largely responsible for the preservation and survival of the shanty into the present day. We all owe him a great debt.

Steve


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool
From: Peace
Date: 15 Jun 06 - 11:14 AM

Good link here.


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool
From: treaties1
Date: 15 Jun 06 - 12:57 PM

The original post by Jan slipped through my radar and possibly a lot of other UK Mudcatters. It sounds a great event that I will do my best to attend and publicise
Theresa


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpoo
From: Greg B
Date: 15 Jun 06 - 01:33 PM

As I'm typing this, I'm looking at a Stan Hugill painting few have ever seen, which used to belong to Bernie Klay and now hangs in my study:

http://www.bullough.org/yankee_whalers.jpg

I first met Stan at the 11th Mystic Sea Music Festival where the organizers were generous enough to invite three of us chanteyfolk to be their guests. At the first concert, I was at the back of the tent, feeling rather overwhelmed by it all. (A common state of first-timers at this event, and one that can be re-captured by observing the rapture of other first-timers.)

As I stood there, Stan strode up and introduced himself, "Hello, my name is Stan Hugill, you're Greg Bullough from San Francisco, aren't you?"

If I'd not been sufficiently overwhelmed by the whole thing, the sudden feeling that THE Stan Hugill had just sought me out, knew my name, and introduced himself to me sent me right over the top.

I allowed as he'd got the reckoning right, and he went on to say "Well, where's that little brown girl you brought with you?"

He was referring to Celeste Bernardo, then the chantey-singing ranger at San Francisco Maritime NHP, and one of my traveling companions. (She's now the superintendent at New Bedford Whaling NHP, and has herself made quite a mark in the world of maritime music.) There were some logistics to be sorted out regarding Stan's upcoming visit to San Francisco, but there was no question that he was far more eager to conduct those discussions with a "little brown girl" than he would elsewise have been.

A bit later, I was skulking around the back of the tent, and it was a tent back then, with an illicit bottle of Heineken in hand. No drinking was permitted in public areas of the Seaport back then. Stan stepped up and said, "Let us have a bit of that to lubricate me larynx before I go on, will you?" With that he demonstrated that "a bit" for him consisted of upending the bottle and making like the world's tallest water-cooler. He swallowed the lot in a couple of seconds, said "Thanks" and went off to do his set.

A while later, he approached me with the opposite problem. "Can you tell me where's the gents?" I directed him around the end of the shed and to the Youth Training Building which to this day serves as a sort of green room and watering-hole for performers and staff. He got this mischievous look in his eye and said "I'll make it about half-way."

Stan stepped over to where the schooner Brilliant was docked and had a piss on the pristine topsides of Briggs Cunningham's classic.

Over the next few years I had occasion to provide local hospitality both in Mystic and in San Francisco for Stan and his dear Bron. I treasure the memories of those times when I had the grand old man just about all to myself and find that even as I write this, I miss him terribly.

For all the silly stories we may tell about his quirks, he was the consumate scholar, a constant and patient teacher, and seemed to have an unlimited capacity for changing acquiantance into friendship.


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool
From: Noreen
Date: 08 Aug 06 - 04:29 PM

Refresh


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool
From: Skipper Jack
Date: 09 Aug 06 - 10:21 AM

Baggyrinkle will be there and we're very much looking forward to it.


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool
From: Schantieman
Date: 15 Aug 06 - 08:25 AM

Any more interest in this? Or is everyone too bust festivaling?

S


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool
From: GUEST,Pelrad
Date: 15 Aug 06 - 01:44 PM

Greg, that's a beautiful painting!

Did you have someone professionally photograph and scan it? I have a Hugill painting that I don't think many have seen, and would love to share the image, but don't know how to go about it. The painting is titled "Blow, Boys, Blow!" Stan wrote on the back: "Shantying up the main t'gallant, on the raised midship section of the 4-masted Bark 'Garthpool,' led by the shantyman Stan Hugill, in the trades, Oct. 1929." Signed in his usual manner in Fall 1985.

In 1983 I was a volunteer at the Mystic Sea Music Festival; I was only 12 so I was mostly given gopher jobs. One job, along with Doug Allen's daughter Heather, was to roust Stan out of the Seaman's Inn several times a day and escort him to his next concert. Sometimes that took some doing, but he adored Heather and she could usually persuade him.

He was always kind, especially to children. We have a photo of him with a little girl who came to the festival in '85 or so; he's listening attentively as she tells him some story about a big fish.

He was intelligent, funny, adventurous, and one of the warmest people you would meet. Very approachable. I own copies of five of his books, and he graciously signed the four that I collected while he was alive. He loved women, and right up to the end was an incorrigible flirt. The last time I saw him, he snuck up and pinched my butt, then winked when I whirled around and caught him at it. Yikes!

His family is wonderful. I've met Bron, John and Martin several times and they are as warm and genuine as Stan was. Marvelous family.

Does anyone know if the woman who runs the S.S. Chanteens knows about this birthday shindig? It would be so cool if they could raise enough money to be there. When Martin and Penny came to Mystic a few years ago, Martin was really excited about them. He wished his father could have been there to see these dynamic kids carrying on the tradition. Stan would have loved them!

Kim


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool
From: Barry Finn
Date: 15 Aug 06 - 04:56 PM

Hi Kim
The woman that runs (teaches) the SS Chanteens is Paula Daddio (formerly of the group Shipping News). They no longer have their web site so I don't know how to get in touch, it's a nice idea though.
Nice memories, thanks

Barry


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool
From: Peace
Date: 15 Aug 06 - 05:00 PM

Link to the painting referenced by GregB.

What a talent he was, and because of his pen and ink, water colours, songs--well, what a talent he still is.


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpoo
From: Greg B
Date: 15 Aug 06 - 06:08 PM

I photographed 'Yankee Whalers' by putting it out in the sun
and shooting it with my Canon Digital Elph from dead-on
straight.

It isn't actually the best photographic reproduction of the
painting I've ever made, but I lost the prior one. In it, you
could see the details of the shirts the boat crews are wearing,
including several with the 'super-abundance of checked shirt.'

What struck me about this one was the sky. I don't recall ever
seeing one quite like it in Stan's paintings. It seems angry
with the death of the whale. It's truly spectacular in person
(I'm looking right at it as I type this).

Certainly having second thoughts about going over for the 100th,
if carry-ons of musical instruments aren't going to be allowed
on flights to/from the UK. Even if I did have cases adequate to
the task, I'm not about to trust any of my precious stuff to the
baggage manglers.


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool
From: Charley Noble
Date: 16 Aug 06 - 12:00 PM

Sigh.

We'll miss this one by being in Liverpool a month too early. Maybe all air flights back to the States will be cancelled...

Well, we'll raise a glass or two in Stan's honor anyway!

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool
From: Noreen
Date: 21 Oct 06 - 07:07 AM

Any updates?
This is getting closer....


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Subject: RE: STAN HUGILL'S 100th BIRTHDAY BASH
From: Shantyfreak
Date: 21 Oct 06 - 12:28 PM

It sounds like it's going to be a good do.
Lots to see and plenty of good folk to listen to.
The new book is a great bonus and the prints look great (I had a sneak preview last week).
I for one am looking forward to it


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool
From: Charley Noble
Date: 21 Oct 06 - 01:42 PM

I've viewed the Liner Hotel (the site of the commemoration) as we swung by at breakneck speed through Liverpool's sailortown on our recent visit. It should be a fun place to hold this event. Imagine all those voices together in one space!

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: STAN HUGILL'S 100th BIRTHDAY BASH
From: Barry Finn
Date: 21 Oct 06 - 11:14 PM

Hi Shantyfreak

"The new book is a great bonus and the prints look great (I had a sneak preview last week). I for one am looking forward to it"

What new book????? Can you pass on any info please? Are you talking of a reprint of a previously published book or is this some of what he's collected & it's never been published, like his X rated versions that are still out there in the darkness? Or is this about him by some one else, or what? Please do tell.

You can't (of course you can if you want) make a comment like that & just drop it like a bomb & walk away with out so much as a kiss goodbye. (Maybe this is common knowledge & I'm just a bit too sheltered?) Mother never like sailors since my half brother's father was one.

Come back Shantyfreak from where ever it that you went too!
Thanks in advance
Barry


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th Birthday Bash - Nov 2006
From: rumanci
Date: 22 Oct 06 - 06:22 AM

I'll echo Barry.   Please tell us more about any new projects people are involved in.   Stan Hugill deserves better than thirty posts on a thread in two years, particularly here on this forum.   
Stan was a superb sharer of knowledge, a wonderful raconteur, very charming, very funny and the legacy he left behind in information, shantys, fine paintings and sketch filled articles, seamanship training for youngsters and the rest damned well OUGHT to be celebrated in fine style but more importantly, so should the man, himself.


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th Birthday Bash - Nov 2006
From: Noreen
Date: 22 Oct 06 - 07:23 AM

rumanci, that is because this is not the only thread on the subject concurrently- see the other links at the top of this thread, chiefly RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool
From: Noreen
Date: 22 Oct 06 - 07:28 AM

Just recieved update email from Jan, as follows:

Dear All

Everything is now going flat out for the festival - and in response to many
requests we are issuing this outline Programme - if you have expressed an
interest in coming but have not yet booked PLEASE let us know ASAP - as we
have to order the tee shirts etc

The big breaking news is that we have the new book at the printers "The
Bosun's Locker" (the compilation of the articles Stan wrote for SPIN
magazine) and the official launch will be at the festival

We have also been given some unseen drawings done by Stan for a very old TV
programme Hands to Dance and Skylark and there will be a limited edition of
the prints on sale in aid of the RNLI

So things are now really moving

Please remember your input and suggestions will be very gratefully received

Outline Programme of Events

Saturday Morning


1. 9.30 onwards - registration
2. 10.00 - Illustrated talks - picture viewing gallery open
-meet and chat with old friends - make new friends!
3. 11.30 - book launch
4. 12.30 - 2.00 Lunch Interval

Saturday Afternoon

1. Conference Room
Series of talks and showing of various videos etc of Stan and his
travels
Details of times etc will be available in the full festival
programme.

2. Main Hall
Informal singarounds - The Stan Hugill "Sound Alike" Competition

These events will all finish at around 5pm to allow plenty of time
for dinner!

Saturday Evening

7.00 - 11.00 The main concert of the day

The full running order will be available shortly.

Sunday Morning

1. For those who wish to attend there will be a service will be
held in The Mariners Church - St Nicholas - the church where Stan's
memorial service was held - this will be the usual morning service with
special reference to Stan and seafarers.

2. Conference Room
Further short talks and video's etc

This will continue until 12.30 approx

Lunch breaks

3. Main Hall

2.00pm - 6.00pm The Main Concert

It is planned that all organised events will end at this
time to allow those who have to travel, a safe and comfortable journey home.
If you do not have to travel - lets party!


Jan and Ken


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th Birthday Bash - Nov 2006
From: rumanci
Date: 22 Oct 06 - 07:56 AM

That wasn't quite what I meant Noreen but thankyou for the information
:-)


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpoo
From: Greg B
Date: 22 Oct 06 - 08:10 PM

Aw, bugger. Family-related travel an aw' have caused me to
have to call off my own plans to attend. It also seems to be
increasingly difficult to make a 'long weekend' of it from
the Eastern USofA to the UK, now that vain attempts to
discourage malfeasance via 'keeping up appearances' have
reached a new crescendo.

Seeing the schedule has, none the less, got my glands in
an uproar.


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool
From: Charley Noble
Date: 01 Nov 06 - 08:33 AM

This weekend is drawing near, like a slashin' big four-master from the Mersey with all sails bent on a wind of dreams!

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpoo
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Nov 06 - 11:26 AM

Or like a bloody great barrel of ale, rolling of the back of
a lorry into a pub! (Not as poetic, but a sight more refreshing!)


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool
From: Charley Noble
Date: 06 Nov 06 - 05:07 PM

Two more weeks to go!

Scandalize the skiff and sheet 'er home!

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool
From: GUEST,Jan L
Date: 06 Nov 06 - 05:44 PM

Thanks for the postings folks

Just as a general update from the house of chaos - everything is going full steam ahead - or should that be full sail?

The new book The Bosun's Locker is scheduled for delivery next week - the t shirts for the people attending will be collected next tuesday - the name badges are currently being printed and laminated running orders and programmes very close to finalisation - the phone rings constantly

So we are nearly ready - there are a few places available

Everyone is welcome to the Thank you Stan weekend - just contact us

See you all soon

Jan


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpoo
From: GUEST,pattyclink
Date: 12 Nov 06 - 09:47 PM

refresh


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool
From: Dame Pattie Smith EPNS
Date: 13 Nov 06 - 02:25 PM

I`ll see you all there! I`m going up with Baggyrinkle. I just joined Mudcat 2 days ago and it`ll be interesting to see who`s who.


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool
From: Barry Finn
Date: 13 Nov 06 - 02:52 PM

Hi Patty
Welcome to Mudcat & I hope you have a great time, I wish I could be there.
We have our shanty sing over here at the Press Room in (New Hampshire, US) during the same day, so we'll be singers in harmony celebrating Stan with you folks. Cheers. Please post reports, thanks, U-Tube would be the cat's meow.
Barry


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool
From: GUEST,beachcomber
Date: 13 Nov 06 - 05:12 PM

Yea, I too would love to hear how the festival went.
I just heard a mention of it on RTE (Ireland), my attention was captured by the sound of a shanty being sung (led out) by a pretty old sounding voice. Did Stan Hugill make many records can they be purchased ?
I bought his book some years ago from CSH, London but had never heard him sing.
BTW Someone mentioned his last ship the "Pamir". Is this the vessel that was captained by Alan Villiers, on the last grain race??


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool
From: The Admiral
Date: 14 Nov 06 - 09:29 AM

Beachcomber,

Stan had a very distinctive singing voice - not to be confused with anyone else's and what's more he had added yelps to his shanties which made the overall sound pretty strange to the uninitiated! The recordings I have are all on old LPs - 'Live on the Cutty Sark' for instance. I haven't heard of anything more recent... I imagine Jan and Ken would be able to sort you out if there was anything available.

Tony


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpoo
From: John Routledge
Date: 14 Nov 06 - 10:10 AM

Heard a recording of Stan singing "Lowlands" on Saturday

Not the pretty version :0)


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool
From: Charley Noble
Date: 14 Nov 06 - 04:36 PM

Mystic Seaport Museum (US) issued a live CD of Stan singing about 10 years ago. It is still available from their website.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpoo
From: Greg B
Date: 14 Nov 06 - 06:01 PM

I believe the latter CD had some of his spoken word as well...Stan
was a truly great raconteur, in the best sense of the word. His
workshops, replete with mad sketching on flip-charts (which became
treasured keepsakes) and chalkboards were a joy to sit through---
nobody wanted them to end! Just as engaging in conversation, as
well. He enjoyed his celebrity immensely, and wore it modestly.


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool
From: Charley Noble
Date: 14 Nov 06 - 08:18 PM

Riley's gone to Liverpool,
Oh, Riley, ol' man!
Riley's gone an' I'm goin' too,
Bye-bye, my Riley, ol' man!


Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool
From: Charley Noble
Date: 16 Nov 06 - 08:29 AM

Oh, row, bullies, row!
Them Liverpool judies have got us in tow!


Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool
From: Schantieman
Date: 16 Nov 06 - 10:50 AM

Not too long now before we'll be a-rolling down Paradise Street. I b'live there's to be something of a get together in the Baltic Fleet on Friday Night.

Cheer'ly!

Steve


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool
From: Mick Tems
Date: 16 Nov 06 - 12:31 PM

I'll be driving up to Liverpool to sing some South Wales shanties at the Saturday concert at 9.25pm - you've got no idea how proud it makes me feel!


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool
From: Charley Noble
Date: 16 Nov 06 - 09:38 PM

Steve-

Be careful while you're rolling down Paradise St. There was only about a block of it left with a big hole in the middle when we were there three weeks ago.

Have a ball!

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool
From: GUEST,Liam's Brother
Date: 17 Nov 06 - 10:06 AM

The weekend kicks off tonight, Friday, 17 November, at 8 PM with a sing in the Mauretania Room at The Liner Hotel led by Stormalong John. It's a memorial for late Stormalong members Tony and Frank. Sure many attendees will be present. Stormalong often sang and recorded with Stan Hugill.

Weather is alternately sunny, cloudy and rainy; typical really, apart from the sun.


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool
From: Schantieman
Date: 17 Nov 06 - 10:54 AM

Glad to know that, Liam's Brother - I may well look in. I knew both Tony and Frank slightly and indeed both were closely associated with the Bothy FC in Southport in its early days - and Tony on and off until not long before his death.


The bottom end of Paradise Street - south of Hanover Street and down to the vicinity of the Baltic Fleet - was done up several years ago. The exisiting buildings (slums?) were demolished and it's a shiny new housing estate now.    I think it's only the city end that's a building site.


See you soon!

Steve


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool
From: Charley Noble
Date: 19 Nov 06 - 10:40 AM

Any survivors from the Liner Hotel Bash? Is it true that Jan and Ken Lardner were still re-arranging the deck chairs as this great ship went down?

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpoo
From: 8_Pints
Date: 19 Nov 06 - 05:56 PM

It was nice.

Bob vG


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool
From: Blowzabella
Date: 19 Nov 06 - 06:11 PM

I won the raffle!!!!


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool
From: Charley Noble
Date: 19 Nov 06 - 08:15 PM

So far we've only heard from some flotsam and jettison. How about a real blow by blow account?

Allright, we'll cut you some slack. Get some sleep. I'm sure no one slept the entire weekend.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool
From: the lemonade lady
Date: 20 Nov 06 - 08:43 AM

I enjoyed it especially meeting Tony Davis, watching John Connelly perform Fiddlers Green, I loved the Dutch Schantie men and Hanging Jonnny were wonderful. Trim Rigg and Doxy are going from strength to strength and Hughie and Chris did a smashing job. Well done to Jan and Ken and hope they can now sleep at night!

How did the sing sesh go at the Dispensary? Steve and I were so tired and full of chinese food, we went home. zzzzz

Sal


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool
From: Charley Noble
Date: 20 Nov 06 - 11:59 AM

Sal-

Thanks!

And????

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool
From: Michael in Swansea
Date: 20 Nov 06 - 12:38 PM

Grand time had by all. Well done Jan and Ken you did us proud.
Unfortunately I have a cracked rib which makes it painfull to sing, so I had to sit it out while the other Baggies were on stage. It was 'orrid, wanting to be up there but knowing that I couldn't give my all I'd have let the others down.
Ta muchly Dame Patti for taking me to the Cavern.


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool
From: GUEST,Chris
Date: 20 Nov 06 - 01:10 PM

Had a great time at Stan's do. I loved seeing his paintings, which were displayed at the back of the room. Interesting videos during the day in the upstairs rooms and fine singing in the singarounds.
Saturday evening concert was very enjoyable. Some excellent singers present - Shanty Crew and Shellback Chorus stood out for me on Saturday night - great singing from all of them.
Sunday was a day of good singing too and I have to say, we were exhausted when we got home and now need a couple of days to recuperate both bodies and voices!
Many thanks to Jan and Ken and all who helped
Chris


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool
From: Dame Pattie Smith EPNS
Date: 20 Nov 06 - 03:32 PM

I had a wonderful time too. I sang a couple of songs in the singaround on the Friday night, was a tourist on Sat and Sun mornings - did the Ferry cross the Mersey, visited the Cavern Club - and enjoyed the concert Sat night. Pity we had to leave on Sunday afternoon but the Baggies did Wales proud in the Sun concert. Well done boys, it makes us all proud to be Welsh!


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool
From: Skipper Jack
Date: 20 Nov 06 - 03:55 PM

What a wonderful relaxing weekend with first class entertainment from the participating groups. A great tribute indeed to Stan.

A huge thanks to Jan and Ken for all the work in its organisation and resultant success.


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool
From: Barry Finn
Date: 20 Nov 06 - 04:22 PM

It all sounds wonderfull. Wished I could've been there. Any pictures or recordings or better yet anybody planning on putting it on U-tube? Jan & Ken congrats on what appears to be a very sucessful one off historical event. I don't know about a US contingent being there but I do know that NYC was fairly represented (they've been officially declassified as US, they're now a country on to their own, a good thing), what can be told from or about them? 1st did they behave well?

Barry


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool
From: GUEST,Jan L
Date: 20 Nov 06 - 06:45 PM

Our very sincere thanks to all who came and sang - the atmosphere was electric the whole weekend - and certainly reached its peak at the end of sunday afternoon - The Leaving of Liverpool and Leave Her Johnnie Leave Her - not a dry eye in the house! including both of us!
We will post more details on www.stanhuhill.com as soon as we wake up and will cover some of the sound tracks on the December edition of Scuttlebutt Radio (via www.chanteycabin.co.uk) if the video results are back with us in time.
Anyone wanting to send photo's we will post on the website

Many thanks to all

Jan and Ken


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool
From: Charley Noble
Date: 20 Nov 06 - 09:12 PM

Jan and Ken-

I'm really pleased that this special weekend was a success, and I know you both put a whole lot of energy into it to "make it happen." You certainly have earned some downtime. But know there are folks all over the WORLD eagerly awaiting more details!!!!!!

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpoo
From: John Routledge
Date: 21 Nov 06 - 06:00 AM

The key to the success of the weekend was the wonderful atmosphere to sing in. Just shows what a bit of focus and a sympathetic sound system worked perfectly can do.

In addition I saw 3 of the highly informative Hugill videos which were full of "Stan" and his expertise and humour.

Congratulations to all concerned. A resounding success all round.


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool
From: GUEST,Helen
Date: 21 Nov 06 - 07:09 AM

Ken & Jan did a wonderful job of arranging Stan's birthday party! Just the right mix of concerts, exhibits and socialising time.

Looking round the hall on Sunday afternoon I couldn't help but think that it must have been one of the greatest gathering of maritime folk there's been. The emotions were running very high by the end of that concert, with the final songs sung by Hughie, Stormalong and Stan's sons.

It was lovely to see people from so many places who had travelled to pay tribute to Stan and to celebrate his life and his legacy. Not only from the UK and Europe but the USA as well (Yes, Charley - The USA was well represented, with Bob Conroy, Jan Christensen and Dan & Bonnie Milner all on top form and vital contributers to the proceedings. Bonnie also had a lovely collection of photos and letters from Stan which she was kind enough to show me)

It was a truly memorable weekend. Thank you so much Jan and Ken. It was your vision, dedication, hard work and friendship that made it so successful.

Helen Pitt


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool
From: GUEST,spb-cooperator
Date: 21 Nov 06 - 01:13 PM

Thanks for a great event. I am sorry that I had to leave before the finale, but I needed to be up early for work the next day :((.

Hope to see everyone at the 2092 event.......

Steve


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool
From: Schantieman
Date: 22 Nov 06 - 12:27 PM

Well, I had a great time too - many thanks to Ken and Jan for all their hard work in arranging it and to all those who contributed to a memorable weekend.   We really ought to have had a MudGather there as it seems there were so many of us.

Find of the weekend? Cains bitter in the Crown at £1 a pint!

Steve


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool
From: Charley Noble
Date: 25 Nov 06 - 10:12 AM

Any further updates or links to pixs?

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Nov 06 - 10:25 PM

I think Mick Tems did us all proud. That man's been through hell with the stroke, but here he was standing on the stage and loving every minute of it. He did a great version of Challo Brown, Hilo Man and Rolling Home to Dear Swansea which he learnt from a sailor years ago.


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool
From: Skipper Jack
Date: 26 Nov 06 - 05:34 AM

Yes, I do admire Mick after all that he's been through. I enjoyed the songs he sang.
I visited him soon after he had the stroke, and I am amazed how he has pulled through.

Baggyrinkle went up to the Rhondda and gave a concert for him and the other inmates.

Well done, Mick.

Dave R.


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool
From: Charley Noble
Date: 27 Nov 06 - 07:11 PM

Refresh!


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Nov 06 - 07:23 PM

It was a nice weekend with some good singing. For me, it was nice to catch up with people in the shanty fraternity and have a chat. It was great that people had made the effort to get there from great distances.

Meeting martin Hugill was a bit of a let down - he looks so much like his father, but I had a brief chat with him and can't say I liked him much - or that he particularly felt touched by the event. I commented that it must be a bit odd - he said that he never sings shanties - his brother agreed - they both feel the need to go their own way and make their mark on a new bush, so to speak. Can't blam e them for that, i suppose.

The finale was very moving but sad to see how most of the singers are 'mature' - and to see Tony davies in a wheelchair was very sad.

Hopefully some younger singers will join in and carry forward these songs - my worry is that they don't translate to 'new interpretations' quie as well as some 'folk' does, and I for one would hate the loss of them to have been just 'put off' rather than prevented.

I'm not advocating changing shanties at all by the way - that's the last thing I'd want to see. Just feeling a bit worried that young blood isn't experiencing that 'once heard, never forgotten' sound.

I hereby recommend that Stormalong John become compulsory listening in all schools. That would solve the problem


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool
From: Mick Tems
Date: 27 Nov 06 - 07:30 PM

Gosh, I'm touched! Thank you, Dave, Guest, and all who were at the concert last Saturday. The two shanties I sang, Shallow Brown and Ilo Man, came from the work of American James Madison Carpenter, who collected 50 sea songs and ballads from South Wales sailors, including Barry men Rees Baldwin and William Fender. I recorded Rees Baldwin's daughter, Mrs Edna Robinson, and it was her son, Geoffrey Robinson, who I think was head of Newport University, who was delighted that a researcher should be taking so much interest in his grandfather and his mother. I wrote a piece called Trade Winds, which told the amazing story of Carpenter and his meeting with the South Wales men, recordings which were 'lost' for 50 years until they turned up 4,000 miles away in Booneville, Mississippi. We took the story to America where we sang in a few learned places, including Charlotte University (By the way, it's Ilo in South America, not Hilo in Hawaii - there are shades of Huckleberry Hunting in the verse.)

The third was Rolling Home To Dear Old Swansea, which I collected from Captain Frank Parker of Uplands, Swansea. There are many versions of this song, i.e. Rolling Home To Old Australia or Dear Old England, but apart from changes the words, Captain Frank's version is 4/4 and has the full chorus:

"Rolling Home, rolling home, rolling home across the sea,
Rolling home to dear old Swansea, rolling home, dear land, to thee;
Rolling Home, rolling home, rolling home across the sea,
Rolling home to dear old Swansea with old Ireland on our lee."

I think that Skipper Jack wrote the one Baggyrinkle sing, but what the hell? It's a fabulous piece of writing!


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool
From: Charley Noble
Date: 27 Nov 06 - 09:18 PM

That's a little more like it! Share a little of what you experienced if you can remember any of it...

Is it true that there was nothing to drink but decaffinated tea?

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool
From: Linda Goodman Zebooker
Date: 27 Nov 06 - 09:28 PM

I thought I'd add one to the count of the postings.

A couple of weeks ago I wouldn't have noticed this thread. In Maryland I've had the pleasure of hearing the singing of some of the people posting on this thread, and I've always enjoyed singing along on the choruses of chanteys. One of my favorite parts of the Getaway is being in the Dining area yelling these out at 1:00 am or thereabouts. But I never tried to learn the verses, or paid any attention to authorship or collector – so I'd never heard the name Stan Hugill.

Awhile back the cassette tape of Songs of the Sailor put out by the Mystic Seaport Museum chanteymen was recommended to me and I bought it (it also comes as a CD). A couple of weeks ago I finally started listening to it and then I immediately wanted to learn the songs, which they have out in a companion book. Last Friday I received this book in the mail. It contains an explanation of the types of chanteys and the words and music to the 25 chanteys on the tape.

Of course the Mystic Seaport Museum's book doesn't go 3 sentences before mentioning Stan Hugill and Shanties from the Seven Seas. -- and then has his name on approximately every second page throughout.

So now, I'll read the links on this thread, and my next thing will be to get my hands on some of these more original sources by Stan Hugill.

Thank to everybody who posted all this information! As I'm in my late 50's I'm certainly not a young person (see Guest's post of earlier today), but I am a NEW person to be learning these things.

Linda Goodman


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpoo
From: Matthew Edwards
Date: 28 Nov 06 - 08:11 AM

It was a great weekend in Liverpool, and even if the beer in the Liner wasn't wonderful there was Cains bitter to be had at £1 a pint in the Edwardian splendour of the Crown Hotel! The themed decor of the Liner hotel was meant to suggest the floating palaces of the great ocean liners but as the (purely decorative) deck walkways ran round the room I was all at sea as to whether the room was meant to represent an open deck or an internal ballroom and dining room.

There were some good singers in the Saturday afternoon singarounds, but I don't think anyone won the Stan Hugill Soundalike Trophy. Cicely Fox Smith should have had second billing for the weekend as I lost count of how many of her poems were sung. Inevitably some shanties were duplicated over the weekend, and sitting at the back with Monkey's Fist I had to laugh as they were compelled to cross off song after song from their list as others got in first! But they still had some great songs in reserve when they finally got their turn. It was a treat to hear Mick Tems sing as well on the Saturday.

Sunday was another good day; Trim Rig and a Doxy turned up a day late after having major trouble with their car and did a delightful spot in the afternoon.

Amid all the shanties it was quite a relief to hear a couple of 'normal' songs - Dan Milner sang a superb 'Flying Cloud', and the Irish singer Mary Canniffe sang 'If I was a Blackbird'. She and her husband also sang 'The Holy Ground' which I haven't heard anybody do for years; it sounded quite fresh after all this time and it went down really well. Sadly Bonnie Milner only had time off from her duties as joint MC to sing one song - but it was lovely, and I hope she got her chance to sing more later at the Everyman on Tuesday.

Tony Davis (the tall one from the Spinners - now in a wheelchair, but definitely not deceased as my neighbour had supposed!) sang a few old songs as well and got a really good welcome from the audience. Nordet, from Britanny were hugely enjoyable, swishing their kilts as they sang! - they were about the only group from Europe who actually sang in their own language.

John Connolly sang a Breton song in English by way of revenge I suppose,and a Charles Causley poem, and then sang his own 'Fiddler's Green' with everybody joining in. The running order went a bit astray at one point and Johnny Collins looked a bit miffed when someone else was announced for his 'turn' and I think Jan Lardner and Bonnie Milner had to haul him back for a song but as he got a big kiss and hug he seemed well content. I liked the shanty groups Baggyrinkle, Stormalong John and The Original Shanty Crew but some of the others just sounded a bit too well arranged to my ears.

Anyway the climax came with Stormalong John reminiscing about singing with Stan, and then Hughie Jones led us all in 'The Leaving of Liverpool' before it all finished with Stan's sons joining in 'Leave Her, Johnny'.

Congratulations to all involved in putting on this event; to Jan and Ken, Hughie and Chris, Dan and Bonnie, Tony and Beryl, and especially to Bronwen, Philip and Martin.


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool
From: Charley Noble
Date: 28 Nov 06 - 09:31 AM

Matthew-

Nicely done! Lots of rich detail, and even some evauation.

"Cicely Fox Smith should have had second billing for the weekend as I lost count of how many of her poems were sung."

This February 1st will be Cicely Fox Smith's 125th brithday. A bit of a rush to organize something to commemorate her life and nautical works but some crazy fool should try.

"some of the others just sounded a bit too well arranged to my ears"

That opinion should definitely provoke discussion. As a member of a singing group that has performed for over ten years, there is always an urge to "improve" the musical delivery which in our case means cleaning up ragged choruses and endings, repairing harmonies that don't work, and dare I say arranging instrumentation (!). Some even polish up the words!

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpoo
From: Greg B
Date: 28 Nov 06 - 10:54 PM

Geez, anonymous 'Guest,' I'm sorry that Martin didn't
live up to your expectations. He's a fine musician and
a companionable chap in his own right, and I'm sure his
Dad approves from up where St. Peter's awarded him his
harp, and where he's probably having a great big celestial
p*** on your pate. I'll be happy to spend your allotment of
time with he and his lovely lady on any occasion.

I am with you on one thing, however: we need to do a great
deal more to foster the preservation of this music in deed,
rather than in word, than we have been.

Stan was always very good at that. I treasure the memory of
him taking me in hand at a fife-rail and showing me how the
chanteyman played a key role not just in the hoisting of a
yard but in the belay. If not for him, I'd never of had the
nerve to hold the weight of a yard while a mate took that first
turn. I also treasure his gift for the teaching of volume...like
him, I'm not physically pre-disposed to being loud enough to be
heard across a deck...I'm no Don Sineti. But Stan was able to
show how any chanteyman can be heard as far as need be.

After Stan passed, we spent some years looking back, sort of
with no direction. It was as if every passing year was one
more A.S. (Anno Stan).

Finally, I said "Look, mates, if this stuff is to survive we
have to stop looking back at Stan and start being Stans...it's
really up to us now, to carry on. We need to bring about the next
generation of chanteymen who'll be wheeling us about in our dotage
and telling stories of how we made them stop in some rum shop until
eight bells said we were late for another gig."

Thus came about the Mystic Seaport Friends of the Festival, in the
hopes that the torch would be carried on there. At the time Mystic
had a full-time chantey staff of four and more, and was the center
of the universe in keeping the art alive.

My personal dream was of a 'Sea Music Week' which culminated in the
more public display of the 'art of the chanteyman' in the weekend.

It didn't happen. Due, I think, to what I might call 'institutional
hubris.' Or ossification.

I still maintain the hope that 'Blue Peter' will be hoisted
somewhere for the chanteymen, and the chanteymen-to-be and
the chanteymen-(and women)-to-be at some maritime institution
who sufficiently values this cultural artifact to give to its
preservation.

I think it quite natural to react to the Liverpool event with a
sort of wistful despair for the future. It was, after all, yet
another looking back at Stan, and all he gave us.

But I believe that when we steel ourselves to our duty, we must
ask "how are WE to accept and carry, and pass this torch entrusted
to us by Stan, by our friend Bill Doerflinger, by Colcord, by
Huntington, by a host of others who've committed to our care not
just notes on a page but rather the cadence of a work song being
sung at halyards, at a capstan, at a windlass, the pumps, or a
foot-rope, or in the f'oc's'l'e?"

Are we to be 'performers' or 'custodians?' Are we to be show-people,
or 'curators?' This is where I find a few of my peers bloody
tiresome. Efforts to bring 'art' or 'swing' or heaven help us,
back-beats to the music to make it more 'palatable.' And I include
myself in some of that. 'Kick it up a notch' and stick some garlic
in the salmon, like musical TV chefs. Feh! Sing the damn song, and
sing it well, as intended. And for gods sake make it more about
the choruses than the bloody verses. It's a 200-to-one odds, mates.

And I'm not much of a chauvinist, but I'll tell you that my all-time
favorite chantey-woman (and number two, and three, and no I ain't
saying who but those who know me well can figger it out) feel no need
to swing their lovely 'booties' even to Bahamian rhythms. Funny,
that, the ones with the best ones keep 'em still.

What I'm saying, in my offensive way, is for Stan's sake, let us
get somewhat less ego-involved and take seriously the preservation
of these cultural artifacts. Stop trying to 'jazz them up' and one-up
the rest of the world in order to get booked into the ultimate
festival in some far-flung museum.

So that when those among us who survive are up on stage warbling
out a gen-u-ine version of 'Andrew Rose' in a quavering and blown
voice, 250 people will back us on the chorus because we've bloody
well EARNED it.

Then we can go hijack a beer and take a piss on the topsides of
a distinguished vessel and everyone will find it amusing.


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool
From: Charley Noble
Date: 29 Nov 06 - 09:41 AM

One of my best experiences has been with the barque James Craig, now moored next to the National Maritime Museum in Sydney Australia. Not only does the management schedule monthly shanty sings aboard but they actually sail the vessel out beyond Sydney heads every other week, and sometimes even further up and down the coast. The volunteer crew learns how to sail and sing! Our good friend John Warner, songwriter and member of the Roarin' Forties, got his first experience at sea a few years back being volunteer shantyman aboard her; my understanding is that he was, like most of the rest of us, only an armchair shantyman before that.

We're planning to revisit Australia in a year or so and this time I'll see what I can do to schedule some sea time aboard the Craig.

I'm not sure how the finances work for this tall ship, but it's a better experience for the public and volunteers than what has been accomplished at any museum I'm aware of in the States.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpoo
From: Greg B
Date: 29 Nov 06 - 09:36 PM

Inside joke:

She is the mighty full-rigged ship James Craig...


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool
From: Shantyfreak
Date: 30 Nov 06 - 09:30 AM

If anyone is still interested this is what I sent to the local Folk Mag as a report of the weekend.
=====
Over the weekend of 18-19 November 2006 Liverpool was, once again, invaded by a horde of shanty singers and shanty fans; but this was no local promotional festival or a celebration of that vague entity, maritime music. This was a gathering to celebrate the life and deeds of one man, Stan Hugill who was born exactly 100 years ago. Stan was the man who did more than almost anyone else to preserve the songs and stories of the Shanty-men from the age of sail and introduce a new generation to the enjoyment of work songs and other songs of sailors and the sea.

Many of today's shanty singers were born after the job of shanty-man had passed into history along with the commercial sailing ships on which he worked. Stan was a real shanty-man. In fact he was the last shanty-man. His books, his work at the outward bound school at Aberdovey and most of all his singing and encouragement of other singers have ensured that these fine old traditional songs do not die out. Although Stan is no longer with us but his legacy is and that was why the cream of the world's shanty singers came in unprecedented numbers to celebrate the 100th anniversary of his birth. A gathering in such numbers that this writer is tempted to contact the Guinness Book of Records.

Out of the sixty plus acts and over 200 performers it would be unfair to label any one group or singer as the star of the show but special recognition must be made of the 3 members of the Hugill family who performed on the main stage that weekend. They were his sons Philip and Martin and his grandson Tom who together opened the singing at the first of the two special concerts at Liverpool's newest hotel, the appropriately named Liner. They were followed by singers and musicians from the four corners of the UK, the European mainland and continental America. From the opening recital to the final rousing chorus the assembled throng were treated to a host of amateur and professional performances all dedicated to Stan.

There were individual Shanty-men and women as well as shanty crews and choirs. Therer were work shanties, as well as sea-songs and recitals in true fore-bitter style. There were singer's who had sung with Stan, singer's who had been influenced by Stan's own singing as well as those who had only got to know about shanties from reading Stan's books. With well over a hundred items one might be forgiven for thinking that anyone would have had more than enough to tax their voices but a few minutes spent at the bar would have shown the opposite. Small groups clustered around tables singing different versions or different songs, swapping tales and memories of the great man.

Away from the singing there was plenty to occupy the visitors with screenings of the many television programs featuring Stan covering his time on the Garthpool, his reminiscences and his work with the Tall Ship's training program. Displayed prominently around the performance areas were many of Stan's excellent paintings. The occasion was also commemorated by the launch of a new book. The Bosun's Locker. This was a collection of Stan's writing and drawing that appeared in the Spin magazine. Now available from all good bookshops!

Two raffles were surprise charity fund-raising successes. The first for a copy of Stan's most famous book Shanties And Sailor's Songs signed by singers and performers from all over the world. Each singer signing on a page with their favourite song from the book. The second raffle was for a set of 3 framed prints of Stan's own drawings that were an integral part of his appearance on the Spinners' TV shows in the 70's. The raffles raised a substantial amount for the Royal National Lifeboat Institution.

Before the finale with Leaving of Liverpool the organisers. Jan and Ken Lardner read out e-mails and messages of support from all over the world from those unable to attend but wanted to add their own voices in praise of Stan Hugill

The whole weekend was the brainchild of Jan and Ken Lardner of Chantey Cabin fame who had nurtured the initial idea and undertaken the lion's share of the preparation work. Securing accommodation, organising the programme from the host of guest (who not only gave their performances free but paid for their own tickets along with all other guests) arranging the typing and publishing of the new book, the collection of Stan's paintings and prints and the hundred and one other little jobs that most of us will never know about but for which we were all grateful.

The result was a marvellous weekend and the memory of a never to be repeated occasion when the whole maritime community were drawn together to raise their glasses and say "Here's to Stan".
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And just for CharleyN there were 7 items by CFS and a couple by Bob Watson .


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool
From: Charley Noble
Date: 30 Nov 06 - 12:28 PM

Shantyfreak-

Thanks so much for providing such a fine overview!

Now we need to hear some reports from what went on more informally out in the hallways, the stairwells, the roof top, and under the dining room tables!

I assume the "items" you've mentioned above were songs adapted from Cicely Fox Smith poems and songs by the admirable Bob Watson ("Mollymauk" etc.).

For those who do not know, Shantyfreak collaborates with me on posting C. Fox Smith poems in their original form on the Oldpoetry website; there are now over 425 of her poems there now with another 100 or so to transcribe and post.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool
From: Blowzabella
Date: 30 Nov 06 - 01:48 PM

Great summary, Shantyfreak. i was only there for the Sunday afternoon, but thoroughly enjoyed seeing everyone and hearing the songs sung. I'm sure Stan would have been proud and, indeed honoured.

I know Jan was shattered at the end - she's probably still recovering - it takes a while to come down from something like that.

(and I won the raffle for the prints - yaaay!!!)


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool
From: Leadfingers
Date: 30 Nov 06 - 02:01 PM

100 !!


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool
From: The Sandman
Date: 30 Nov 06 - 02:05 PM

101.sorry i couldnt join you all.


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool
From: GUEST,Jess Fox
Date: 04 Jun 10 - 01:47 PM

Hello,

I am new to this forum;

I am researching the Garthpool and I am trying to contact Kim Pelrad, who I see posted many messages on here over the last few years.

I was fascinated to read she has a painting by Stan Hugill about singing shanties up the mast of the Garthpool.

I'd love to find out more about this.

Also, if anyone here can help with my research into the garthpool, I'd love to know.

I already have quite a lot of information, photos and such like, including a full crew list.

I am researching the last voyage, when it was wrecked in 1929.

Do email me at;

family dot researcher 2010 at googlemail dot com (Just replace with the actual dots and at symbol etc...)

Thanks

I look forward to hearing from anyone regarding the Garthpool and I know they'll be a lot of people who will know of Stan Hugill here; I've already contaced Jan Lardner, who was very helpful.

Bye for now

Jessica S. Fox


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's 100th - 18-19 Nov 2006, Liverpool
From: GUEST,Jess Fox
Date: 04 Jun 10 - 01:49 PM

Correction

email is

family dot tree dot researcher 2010 at googlemail dot com

Thanks

Bye for now

Jessica S Fox


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