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BS: McDonald's or Burger King

number 6 12 Jun 06 - 04:43 PM
Clinton Hammond 12 Jun 06 - 04:55 PM
Don Firth 12 Jun 06 - 05:12 PM
Clinton Hammond 12 Jun 06 - 05:32 PM
Joe Offer 12 Jun 06 - 05:58 PM
Bill D 12 Jun 06 - 06:27 PM
Don Firth 12 Jun 06 - 10:51 PM
Paco Rabanne 13 Jun 06 - 07:47 AM
Clinton Hammond 13 Jun 06 - 12:04 PM
Brass Monkey 13 Jun 06 - 01:45 PM
Don Firth 13 Jun 06 - 02:12 PM
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Don Firth 13 Jun 06 - 02:39 PM
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Don Firth 13 Jun 06 - 03:22 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: number 6
Date: 12 Jun 06 - 04:43 PM

No mention of A&W here in this thread.

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 12 Jun 06 - 04:55 PM

Ya... we talked about their Root Beer a page or so ago.....


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Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: Don Firth
Date: 12 Jun 06 - 05:12 PM

Clinton doesn't like that either. . . .


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Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 12 Jun 06 - 05:32 PM

Did I say that?

No... I said that it was better than NO Root Beer....

Get your facts straight Don....

Or does the home have you over-medicated?


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Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: Joe Offer
Date: 12 Jun 06 - 05:58 PM

Let's try another test....
hold'em right there.

-Joe Poker-


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Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: Bill D
Date: 12 Jun 06 - 06:27 PM

burgers, kids...burgers! Go to my link, like Don did, and read about BURGERS in your area...sheesh!


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Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: Don Firth
Date: 12 Jun 06 - 10:51 PM

Obviously I've lost it! I've become a senile old man, fit only for sitting in the corner, drooling, and spilling my Geritol on my lap robe.

How could I possibly have thought that the person who said A&W root beer is "Tasteless, bland, mass-produced crap!!!!" meant that he doesn't like it?

Pardon me while I wander off, muttering to myself, and bumping into the walls. . . .

Don — uh — what's my name?


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Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 13 Jun 06 - 07:47 AM

McDonalds.


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Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 13 Jun 06 - 12:04 PM

A&W root beer -is- "Tasteless, bland, mass-produced crap"!

But it's still better than NO Root Beer...


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Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: Brass Monkey
Date: 13 Jun 06 - 01:45 PM

Why is everyone talking about burgers and root beer? I always thought these establishments were convenient toilets and I've always used them as such. Thankyou Mr Mcdonald & Burger King for providing conveniences for those uncomfortable high street moments.


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Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: Don Firth
Date: 13 Jun 06 - 02:12 PM

Okay, I'll buy that.

Now, one might make the erroneous assumption that because I find Burger King hamburgers not just palatable but much preferable to other fast-food hamburgers is because I really don't know much about the full range of hamburger quality, and that I can't really recognize a bad hamburger when I encounter one. Well, in the article I posted above, I think I've indicated fairly well that I do know a good—really good—hamburger when I encounter one. Anyone who ate at the Hasty Tasty or Bob Murray's Doghouse may denigrate them as a matter of humor (such as referring to the Hasty Tasty as the "Nasty Tasty"), or some sort of pseudo-sophisticated pose, denigrating hamburgers in general because they much prefer filet mignon (well, who wouldn't? But, of course, they can't afford it). In any case, the verdict of nutritionists that I have cited above cannot simply be dismissed if one wants to be realistic about the matter.

I do indeed know really bad hamburgers. I have faced the very nadir of hamburgerdom

While going through my files, I encountered a section of the article I posted above which I had excised from the article on the advise of a friend of mine who was worried about the possibility of a libel suit because I tended to be a bit unkind about the fare served by the Boeing food service when I worked at Billy Boeing's Kite Factory some decades ago. Well, in those intervening decades, the food service, an independent outside contractor, not an actual division of the Boeing Airplane Company, has gone out of business. "How strange," I say to myself, with a wry smile. Besides, a plaintiff can make a charge of libel stick only if it can be proven that what the defendant wrote was untrue. And even at this late date, I'm quite sure I could find many witnesses to substantiate the veracity of what I wrote.

And what I wrote lies just below. In the original draft, it was between when I returned from Denver and my discussion of Bob Murray's Doghouse.
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               I worked as a production illustrator for the Boeing Airplane Company from January 1966 to March 1970. I quickly learned to bring my own lunch rather than rely on the food service Boeing contracted.
               First, you had to stand in line, sometimes for most of the forty minutes that Boeing allowed you for lunch. Often, by the time you finally got past the cash register, you had to eat on the run, dashing back to your drawing table before the whistle blew.
               Second, there was the food itself. The sandwiches had been stored under refrigeration for Lord knows how long, and the fillings -egg salad, tuna salad, chicken salad, ham and cheese, whatever -all had that same flat "I've recently been chipped out of a 250,000-year-old glacier" flavor, and the bread tasted like soggy cardboard. There were small bags of things like potato chips, tortilla chips, and cheese puffs; and dessert items like Twinkies, Ho-Hos, and cupcakes, and a selection of candy bars; but everything was overpriced.
               Of course, one could opt for a hamburger. But I wouldn't advise it.
               The hamburgers were laid out in neat rows in the drawer of a large stainless steel warming oven whose heat was provided by flickering pale blue flames from several cans of Sterno. Each hamburger was packaged in a waxed paper sandwich bag. Beads of greasy moisture cling to the inside of the waxed paper. This was why people called them "sweatburgers."
               They were plain:   patty and bun only. The patties were oddly uniform. About three and a half inches in diameter and half an inch thick; as precisely disk shaped and sharp edged as a hockey puck, they looked like they'd all been sawed off the same cylinder. They may well have been. They were covered with small, gray bubbles and greasy globules.
               Any condiments you wanted, you had to add yourself, but mustard and ketchup were all that was available. First, you discovered that you had to shake the nearly empty containers and coax the contents to come out. Then you found yourself holding up a line of rushed and very impatient co-workers as you stood there making rude noises with plastic squeeze bottles.
               Despite its precise appearance and crisp looking edges, when you bit into it, the tactile feedback was all wrong. Your teeth and jaws met little or no resistance. There was no sensation of your teeth breaking through the soft crust of a fresh bun, none of the firm but yielding substance characteristic of a hamburger patty. It was like biting into a mush sandwich.
               I theorize that this lack of cohesion had two causes:
               First, the meat. It was undoubtedly some inexpensive commercial hamburger mix, further diluted with a mixture of cereal or stale bread crumbs and a small quantity of chopped onion. There may have been other ingredients, but sometimes it's best not to inquire.
               Second, this meat-flavored mush-cake obviously held together adequately enough while it was being cooked and placed in the bun. But then, the assembled sandwich was wrapped in a waxed paper bag and placed in the drawer of a warming oven. There, it resided for an indefinite period while it basted itself in its own grease.
               How did it taste? You don't want to know.
               One of these was enough. I started bringing my lunch.

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Respectfully submitted for your amusement and amazement.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 13 Jun 06 - 02:28 PM

"The patties were oddly uniform.... they looked like they'd all been sawed off the same cylinder."

So, just like Burger King......


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Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: Don Firth
Date: 13 Jun 06 - 02:39 PM

I don't know about the Burger Kings you've been to, Clinton, but they're not that way in the ones I've been to. Maybe we're just lucky out here. That IS possible, you know.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 13 Jun 06 - 02:41 PM

ALL Burger Kings are the same Don.... just like all McDonalds are.... and all Wendy's....

They all serve CRAP.....


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Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: Don Firth
Date: 13 Jun 06 - 03:22 PM

Okay, just keep on believing that. But I've traveled sufficiently to know that although they try to claim they are, not all chain fast-food places are the same in terms of quality. Perhaps you should get out of Windsor now and then and see something of the world.

What you're saying is not a matter of actual knowledge, it's pure assumption. Some people call that "faith."

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 13 Jun 06 - 03:28 PM

Believe what you need to.....

I'm not giving your opinion any more weight than what it's worth....

(Is it possible to make change of a tinkers-cuss?)


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Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Jul 06 - 10:49 PM

"I probably eat about five or six burgers a year, usually from Burger King or Jack-in-the-Box." - Don

I watched an interesting documentary on the Sundance channel called 'Hamburger America'.

There was a burger there in Milwaukee called the butter burger. I still think that's healthy for you than any burger from a fast food joint.

video clip of show


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Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Jul 06 - 10:51 PM

http://www.hamburgeramerica.com/


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Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: catspaw49
Date: 21 Jul 06 - 07:31 AM

I wrote about Hamburger America on another thread and it is a really great program. The butter burger joint is next door to a hospital or a medical building of some sort. All of these folks are great to listen to......the passion for the burger!!! Hilarious at times and just plain entertaining to watch! Next viewing on Sundance is July 28 .....check the site. Worth watching just for the fun of it.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 21 Jul 06 - 03:32 PM

Lepus Rex asked (in connections) where one could get a brain sandwich.

I was just about to give my emphatic answer when I followed the levels of links and found the site that gave the correct answer: Evansville, Indiana.

I don't get down from Indianapolis to Evansville very often any more, but brain sandwiches are a local delicacy that I always looked forward to when I was there.

The other "must-eat" in Evansville is open-pit barbecue. In those days it was at either Mac's or Wolf's. Not that sloppy mush, and not even ribs swimming in something like ketchup, either. The ribs or pit slices are (relatively) dry to the touch, but the waitress will give you a little pitcher of extra sauce (HOT or not, per your order) at the table. Wolf's also used to have barbecued mutton. Not my preference.
Evansville barbecue is quite different from, and quite superior (in my opinion) to any other barbecue I've ever found, anywhere!

Dave Oesterreich


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Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Jul 06 - 01:04 AM

Good Heavens Don and Clinton! You guys should drop all this hostility and admit the passion you have for one another, boiling just below the surface. . .

As for the thread. . . I think I agree with the majority here. Fast food burgers suck. I won't eat McDonalds or BK, unless I'm trapped in an airport where that's my only choice.

Best fast food in the world? The fried clams (with bellies) at Sea Swirl in Mystic, CT.
One shouldn't make a habit of eating them, but for a treat they are extraordinarily good.


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Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: Slag
Date: 22 Jul 06 - 02:00 AM

McD's was never palatable. Never will be. BK was good in the beginning but success sent it the way of all flesh (intended). Only desparation or mental illness could send me there now. With 21st century plagues like "hep C" and worse about and the severe down trend in moral responsiblity I try not to eat out at all.

With regards to the eating of flesh, its just life. All life does it in some form or another. If you aren't willing to kill it, clean it, cook it you shouldn't be eating it. As for veagans or vegetarians or whatever they call themselves, well that's what all prey animals do. They capture and kill poor semi-defenseless little herbs that can't get up and run away so they desrve similar treatment.

Next time your sstanding before a mirror, flashing that big toothy grin, check out those little babies we call "eye teeth" or "canines". Those aren't made for munchin' bananas or asparagus. My bias runs in the same direction nature intended with those little rippers but I won't judge you if you choose to rumminate with the herd animals. Bless you. But if times get really lean...


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Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 22 Jul 06 - 03:44 AM

Hey.. some of that asparagus can be really tough you know?!

LTS (Lapsed vegetarian)


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Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Jul 06 - 09:06 PM

fuck those places. two tacos for 99 cents at jack 'n the box. best deal ever. you can stuff yourself for 3 or 4 bucks. 5 if you're a fatass.


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Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 23 Jul 06 - 06:51 AM

Ah, Evansville! Thanks, Dave. And to think I've always just sped through southern Indiana.

---Lepus Rex


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Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: kendall
Date: 23 Jul 06 - 11:06 PM

I put McDonalds in the same category as EXXON. I'd starve first.


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Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: number 6
Date: 23 Jul 06 - 11:17 PM

Ruby Tuesday's veggie burger.

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: mrdux
Date: 24 Jul 06 - 01:18 AM

I haven't eaten at either McD or BK in a lot of years -- can't remember the last time -- and won't, except in dire emergency. Out here in the I-5 corridor, between Albany OR and Centralia WA is a small (39 stores) local chain of fast food joints called Burgerville. They're heavily involved in local produce and sustainable agriculture. They use only Food Alliance Certified sustainably raised beef from Oregon Country Beef (no hormones, antibiotics, genetically modified grain or any animal by-products), Tillamook cheeses, locally grown fresh berries in their milkshakes, Walla Walla sweet onion rings in season. . . All of this may be well and good in a political sense, but the truth is that the pepper-bacon cheeseburger is a pretty decent fast food burger. Not something I'm supposed to be eating much of anymore, but every now and then. . .

michael

PS -- I hear they're looking to open in Seattle.


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Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: kendall
Date: 24 Jul 06 - 07:20 AM

On very rare occasions I will stoop to a Whopper, but McDonalds? No way. They remind me of a girlfriend I had tasteless, very little substance, soggy buns...


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Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: number 6
Date: 24 Jul 06 - 09:49 AM

Eloquently stated Kendall.

sIx


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